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    Post  Regular Sun May 15, 2022 10:32 am

    It's just me, or did anyone find it weird that when Mariupol was surrounded - Ukrainians didn't cry for help as much as they do when they have Azovstal surrounded? Only when there were no civilians left they went all out and started to cry for help? Does it mean they want to maximalize martyrdom?
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    Post  Mir Sun May 15, 2022 10:39 am

    Regular wrote:It's just me, or did anyone find it weird that when Mariupol was surrounded - Ukrainians didn't cry for help as much as they do when they have Azovstal surrounded? Only when there were no civilians left they went all out and started to cry for help? Does it mean they want to maximalize martyrdom?

    When Mariupol was surrounded the propaganda machine in Kiev made them believe that help was on its way and that the regime forces would cut up the Russians and rescue the city. Problem is you can only lie for so long before reality sets in.

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    Post  nomadski Sun May 15, 2022 10:50 am


    Sephernox wrote " There will always be people who hate Russia. There will always people who hate black people or brown people pr Asian people or whatever. " yes true . And this latest mass terrorist murder in USA shows it to be true . Exactly like the Ukronazi scum , in their ideology . With one difference , that Asian nations besotted with America , do not see the golden opportunity in this , and declare racist and Trump supporters , democrats and freedom fighters , and do not help them stage a coup in DC and form a Nazi dictatorship , that wants to expel the Latinos to Rwanda or Mexico ! Russia or China or Iran , do not supply killer drones to various Black Panther militia to take out the fat Republicans , while they play Golf , on their Anglo- Zionist Eurotrash Golf courses . The reason the NATO still gathering and expanding is that no retaliation has been made against them !

    On a happier note , I noticed that earlier post on this forum , about Kalashnikov company in Russia , able to manufacture Rubber dingy for special forces , for marine infantry assault unit . Or Beach landing . If say , 10,000 boats were manufactured , to carry 30,000 troops , for 30 , cross River crossing points , for Bridge head . Then these troops can expand inland and allow heavier equipment to cross River later on pontoons . Since they put Tanks and ATGW , and Artillery ( laser ranging ) , out of range .
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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 11:27 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    The way for Russia losing this..

    Oh FFS

    1) that all their generals , do not tell the truth to putin ,how their tactics against ukraine are terrible

    Putin I'm sure gets full situational reports, as does Shoigu, and are informed about what's working and what needs to be changed.
    No evidence anyone is 'not telling the truth'. We live in an era where even some internet-habitant can identify problems potentially.

    and needs to be significantly modified .  Russia needs to achieve real air superiority

    It tried to fly over the Ukraine a lot more in the first 2-3 weeks of the war; result was a bunch of downed expensive planes ultimately even if they did their job. Now why would you want that repeated?
    It's easier to be conservative and cautious, keep the planes closer to your borders and using stand-off munitions for the most part, and employ them mostly in an area you control access to and can see the movements of any anti-air defense systems - the Donbass comes to mind.

    The rest of the Ukraine you have to be careful with. There are reports about S-300s being blown up even this late into the conflict. And even in the Donbass. S-300s, huge bloody systems. Yet somehow the Ukraine is hiding them in warehouses or where-ever, and moving them at night. And this is to say nothing of Osa's, Tor's, Tunguska's, Buks, Strela-10s, Strela-1s even - these systems are no joke despite the age of some of them. They are easy to conceal, and they will bring your planes down if they successfully ambush them by operating passively until the last possible moment, and then switching on radars, acquiring targets and firing. This is possible for them as NATO has its own radars in Poland, Czech Republic, Romania, as well as Turkish ships in the Black Sea perhaps - who are capable of sending warning and targeting solutions to every air defense system the Ukraine has, when NATO detects that a Russian aircraft is due to fly near them. I'm sure this is what's going on.

    Russia's best best actually right now, aside from cruise missiles, is to fly low and keep below NATO radar cover, being as it is that NATO radars are powerful, but far away, and thus can't see below a certain horizon. The Ukraine can't use its own search radars as they will be blasted immediately. Su-24s, Su-25s and helicopter gunships are the name of the game therefore.
    Personally, I would reintroduce more Su-24s, Su-25s and Mi-24s from storage together with some quick upgrades, and invite Arab and Iranian pilots to man some of these refurbished squadrons. I'm sure they want payback; anyone from a NATO destroyed nation might fancy that. Like the Normandie-Niemen squadron on the Eastern Front in WW2.

    , other wise those endless waves of kamikazi ,attack and artillery guide drones , will cause hundreds of thousands of dead russian soldiers ,

    Who says they are?

    The kamikaze and attack drones are not a big problem in this conflict. The Switchblade hasn't had any successes so far, neither the 'Ghost' system we heard about. The Bayraktar has had some early on, but lately its being getting shot down. It's good for exploiting weakspots, the strikes in the Kursk region and on the Russian patrol boats are good examples. And they'll keep getting used in such a manner - but overall the system has been managed.

    The bigger problem is small drones for reconnaissance allowing ambushes and artillery correction. Here I will also say that I don't get what Russian EW systems are doing. Such drones should be easy to jam. Moreover Russia even has portable anti-UAV equipment now. All this should be a priority for the front - there is no excuse for allowing some enemy quadrocopters to operate, nevermind anything heavier and more visible. I hope this is a legacy of the initial stages of the conflict, rather than something that's still happening now. Even then, it was always inexcusable, especially with Russia's sophisticated EW means.

    because russia will never catchup with nato alliance production capabilities of modern artillery ,drones and intelligent missiles , like those fire and forget , ai Brimstone missiles..

    They've surpassed them in fact.

    Russia's own 'intelligent missiles' are doing splendidly. Kalibrs, Kinzhals, Iskander-Ks, Iskander-Ms, Kh-32s, Kh-38s, Kh-101s, Kh-555s, Onyxes, Kh-59MK2s. Hell even older stuff like the Kh-31s, Kh-59s, Kh-29s, Kh-25s - all have been employed very successfully. And what answer or counter has the Ukraine or NATO demonstrated to them?
    Furthermore Russia isn't running out of them.

    In terms of pure tactical use; Russia is doing fine with the Shturms, Vikhrs, Metis, Kornet missiles based on various platforms.

    Drones - Russia has a deficiency of in various classes, but the Orlans and Forposts seem to be doing fine reconnaissance work. They're used in directing Krasnopol artillery as well. The Orions seem to be performing fine as light UCAVs there where it can be risky to send manned aviation; a lot of videos of strikes.

    Artillery - Russia's is doing fine again. They're using them to support their troops in every engagement. Foreign mercenaries have reported about Russian artillery engaging them within 10 minutes of a firefight with Russian troops breaking out. There were those American Javelin operators who came under a barrage and were wounded before they had the chance to ambush anybody.
    And this isn't even guided artillery/shells for the most part. Just smart use of ordinary artillery with maybe the soldiers giving GLONASS co-ordinates at most.

    Of course there are areas for improvement. More classes of domestically-produced recon drones and used more widely, especially ahead of armored advances. Smart munitions for 120mm mortars, especially for city fighting. I'd argue mini-UCAVs as well for urban combat. Employment of the Hermes/Izdeliye-305 on Mi-28s and Ka-52, together with drones launched from them - to get these platforms a long-range ambush and precision strike option; and in general making greater use of helicopters with long-range munitions and spotters for them in urban battles and against fortifications.

    But what has NATO been upto?
    Sending all its stocks of Javelins and NLAWs to the point where they're now complaining that their own supplies are critically low? Which maybe is for the better for them, as it would allow them to refill their stocks with newer weapons; while these models they sent have not made a difference on the battlefield. For the ones whose batteries are still working and which you can keep at the required temperature for operation; 9 times out of 10 they will still only be used in the manner of ordinary RPGs or ATGMs.
    Then they decided to trial out Switchblades on the backdrop of the usual PR spin and promotion. No great successes so far that I've heard of. Apparently GPS jamming makes them of limited value.
    Now what, these new 'Ghost' suicide drones and the Brimstones. Okay, shoe is on their foot.

    It's the M777 howitzer saga however that demonstrates the limits to NATO generosity. These systems were again supplied with all the Hollywood style hype in accompaniment. Now one has been captured, and it turns out they didn't even deign to provide their beloved (as of 2022, before they get bored of them) Ukrainian prodigies with fire control systems for the M777s. Goes to show what NATO is really ready to sacrifice to inflict damage on Russia in this conflict. Ukrainian soldiers? Sure, down to the last one. Even a potentially slightly sensitive component of their own technology? No way.

    that will only increase the destruction rate of russian military armor , add increase the pain of putin's army.

    The pain that "Putin's army" has taken thus far has been pretty much entirely at the hands of Soviet-designed weapons systems.

    2) that everyone in the internet continues praising bad tactics and incompetence of russian military.. is only with pressure , and feedback and telling the truth , how can the russian military correct their mistakes..  having yes man generals around a already poor leadership of russia will only make things worse.  If they not told what they doing bad,, how are they suppose to ever learn ?  

    No Vann by having your sage advice and brutal but necessary constructive criticisms on the internet instead. The Russian military will not be able to ignore it.

    3)russia failing to achieve air domination and air superiority , is russia major weakness. this is what zelensky was crying in first week ,he wanted to stop russia and he got it.. no longer russia flight hellicopters in the many dozens any place in ukraine.  the russian military don't have at all any air superiority and likely never will have , if they don't get their shit together and change their tactics.

    It's thousands of KM of border and millions of square KMs. Be realistic

    Russia will achieve air superiority when it destroys the last Ukrainian air defense system of note. And as for preventing anything Ukrainian flying; that may never be completely achieved given the constant supplies of drones to the Ukraine, but it is possible to minimize the impact of them.

    But I should tell you that Russian helicopters are flying everywhere all the time, don't worry about them.

    russia needs many thousands of super cheap drones ,that their sole function is to simulate the flight of orion attack drones or even orlan-10 and intentionally lure ukros army ,to hit them , with manpads and s-300s airdefenses.

    It's not a bad idea to try and lure Ukrainian air defenses, but any such drone needs to copy the flight profiles and radar signatures of a Su-27 series instead.
    Because I've noticed that the Ukrainians are hesitant about firing on Russian cruise missiles or UAVs even when they do have the means. They know it means giving away the positions of their one of their own dwindling in number air defense systems; that NATO can't replace for them as NATO has nothing in the class of Buks or Tors.
    However a Su-34 or Su-30SM presents a very inviting target and the trick is to trick the Ukrainians and NATO into thinking that a manned aircraft is approaching.

    The more manpads ukraine fire , the more air defenses missiles they waste in fake targets , the less russian drones and real combat jets will be shotdown and the more ukraine will be out of missiles..
    this is not rocket science.  Russia have decoys and drones, but the problem is that they don't use them properly and don't mass produce them and use them in the right numbers to make a difference  

    MANPADs are barely a factor in this war.
    The Stinger is another weapon the US dumped all of its stocks of to the Ukraine, only to find that it was a blessing in disguise for it. Not because they zapped dozens of Russian aircraft, but because it was found that they don't work again Russia's modern aircraft and in a direct war these weapons would have been a liability for the US.

    if future wars , artillery will become obsolete ,

    It's 2022 and artillery is more relevant in this war than it has been in any war since WW1. Most Russian and Ukrainian losses are from artillery

    when nations manage to build super intelligent cheap drones in big numbers , with AI to do swarm saturation attacks ,that operate without human intervention are aware of enemy armor .  brimstom missiles already can do that ,, missiles that choose their own targets.. this is going to increase the pain of russia in a noticeable way ,russia military in the battle field, when all those columns of tanks caught in the middle of a group of brimstone missiles attack searching for armor .

    I keep hearing about all this but I don't see any evidence of any such scenario actually coming to life as yet. It's still all artillery as yet, and the Switchblade, Javelins and all these wunderwaffen have failed to create an impression.

    Russia needs missiles like that . all this tactics of just capturing territory by just scorching earth ,that most of the missiles fails to hit any real target is not very efficient. neither from capturing point of view ,neither from winning wars.. in 21 century , it didn't worked well for armenia. drones will rule the battle field ,. period and russia needs to completely stop ukraine from using the airspace and keep ukraine soldiers heads hidding under ground , they can achieve that with far superior efficiency using modern drones in big enough numbers.   loitering munition for example , produce a big sound to scare everyone making them to believe the drone will hit them..  so just one drone can keep a hundred of soldiers heads down , for fear of being them the target..  this doesn't happen with artillery.  artillery don't keep flying around a zone , scaring enemy forces , forcing them in the run or to hide, .. intelligent drones can choose targets and keep searching ,while forcing enemy armies to seek cover.   ukraine do have the superior weapons to win the war in an efficient way..  russia only way could do that is scorching earth tactics , destroying entire cities with civilians inside , not leaving a single building standing.. Russia cruise missiles will not win a war , and russian artillery alone either is too slow ,specially if they don't receive permanent real time intel of enemy moving positions , something that only can be achieved by having a strong drone air support 24 hours a day above their soldiers positions.

    Yeah Okay Vann. Now take your medication before continuing with the fantasy.

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    Post  GarryB Sun May 15, 2022 11:37 am

    Russia will no longer depend on exports, and domestic orders will increase

    The arrogant west consists of less than 15% of the worlds population, the rest of the world is out there to trade with... Russia wasn't selling much military stuff to the west anyway so it will be the least effected area of Russian exports.

    The fact that most Russian military gear had to be localised years ago due to sanctions means it is a good grounding for relations with countries wanting to break ties with the corrupt west...

    The reality is Russia has insufficient forces in Ukraine and Ukraine is exploiting this

    Russia has insufficient forces to wipe out Ukraine and occupy it in its entirety... but that was never the plan...

    The immediate goals were to get Kievs forces out of the Donbass and secure its borders which is ongoing, and step two is kill as many nazis as they can... and simultaneously to demilitarise the entire country by destroying their aircraft and engine and tank factories... so one is going well as is two and three is pretty much sorted based on the amount of material HATO is having to send to Kiev.

    If you believe Putin is building the evil empire, you're better off reading the Sun or the Drive for info

    The evidence is obvious... they are fighting nazis in Ukraine and Wahabbist terrorists in Syria... it is pretty clear Putin is fighting the Evil Empire.

    Ironic really, Russia went in to stop this but only made Finland and Sweden Join, now it will have NATO forces along a much bigger border.

    As Atlasclub pointed out, they were nothing like neutral.... like switzerland during WWII they lept straight into bed with the nazis hiding gold and making munitions for the reich.

    Sweden was the one who joined cause of the war.

    Sweden is as irrelevant as Finland.

    The difference in closing trade and diplomatic relations with those countries would be zero.

    The Finns on the other hand were much less so inclined through that period, but hey if they wish to put a target on their back (like the Baltic countries) - why not?

    See... Atlasclub didn't need to tell use that neutrality is a joke... but Finland is not getting any choice in the matter... there are polls but no referendum... all they have to do is ask whether joining HATO and surrendering their foreign relations to Washington makes them less safe or more safe... F-35s wont be cheap to operate so this is going to cost them money...

    There was another post I saw that talked about our massive losses on the river crossing and about how all these heroes need our support etc (!!!!!)

    And all over the sake of this 'river crossing', that to date, has not even been successfully geolocated.

    Very worrying Ukro language here. I'm worried they've infiltrated us

    How many trolls post here with their fake concern about Russia and Russian lives, but they are the first to demand Putins resignation and firing military planners, but they are also the first to post negative news and gloat because obviously they only care about Russian lives when it suits their agenda to undermine Russia.

    What is misplaced though is assuming likes and dislikes on an open chat where worldwide people can read and respond to, isn't actually a telling of events or feelings. Polling numbers do to an extent.

    Polling and likes and dislikes means nothing when one side spends printed money on troll farms for that very purpose, and the other does not care what western people think any more... western people are lazy and weak... when was the last time a western government did something the people didn't like and people went out to change it.... yellow jackets in France you say... Micron called them criminals and several lost their eyesight and appendedges to the safe weapons the police used.... in the US protesters were called insurrectionists and shot or put in jail... the people of the west understanding the situation is never going to happen while the criminals in charge control what they see and hear... most people in the west don't really care anyway.

    I agree that some of these channels have agenda. Mostly they want bigger involvement and more troops on the ground. Ru MoD, however, doesn't help situation with the situation by constantly giving same reports along the line of "everything is going according to the plan". This war is fought in propaganda arena, as well, and Ru MoD is utterly archaic and not adequate in that field.

    The only place Kiev is winning is western propaganda and only in the west. Most of the rest of the world who believes the west these days?

    Winning or losing the propaganda war in the west would be like the US trying to convince the people of Syria or Iraq or Iran or Libya or Venezuela to overthrow their governments on their own without bribes... it is just not going to happen...

    The US won the propaganda war against Syria and Venezuela and Iran and Iraq and Libya... but only in the west... didn't really achieve very much at all.

    I guess it's a slim hope to see those countries returning a favor now and blocking those membership applications.

    The gesture would tell Russia not to turn its back completely on Europe, but I would not hold my breath.

    Finland and Sweden are gone anyway... whether they decide to make it official or not.

    Not by the minute, of course. But, this story already have legs, it's been propagated by friendly channels, so you can't fully discount it as enemy propaganda and millions of people in Russia know about it. Some explanation would go far with population. Like a damage control.

    Russia Today has spent most of its time looking at western news agencies and tv channels and disected their lies and misinformation about Russia around the world... I am pretty sure they could do the same with internet channels if they wanted to so Russians could look up BS stories and get the Russian side of the story and perhaps evaulations of men who are not half naked covered in chip crumbs in their mothers basement crying out for some american cheese added pastry snack food.

    Already articles came out by OSINT groups saying it's a loaf of baloney while ukies and their propaganda are saying otherwise.

    Seems to be a pattern really... orc claims revealed and released... lots of discussion and pretend Russian patriots wailing that Putin has to go... then the BS dies down and proper reports and realistic evaluations of what really happened comes out and it turns out to all be bullshit propaganda from Kiev because right now that is the only weapon they can use against Russia without being turned into a red mist...

    I would wager the MoD doesn't care and will let the OSINT groups do their jobs as well

    Winning the hearts and minds of the west is a ship that sailed quite some time ago... hopefully they don't waste too much time with it.

    A supposedly pro russian channel

    They have posted pictures of tortured and executed Russian troops

    They are instigating a backlash in russian opinion

    It has begun already

    Sounds like a trojan horse channel that should be blacklisted.

    hmm interesting especially that UK is not Europe and strange it understands whet Europe thinks.

    As for head of uk intel didn't they claim 2 months ago that Russians are about to run out of missiles? Now the period is shifted by end of the year.

    As UK is very attached to the tradition, this cruel fate and losing will become an yearly prophecy in uk intel reports. Year by year... in the meantime Putin congratulates leaders of Sinn Féin reunification with Ireland.

    I took Uki to be Ukrainian Intel... not UK intel. Not that either would win any competitions that involved intelligence.

    When is there any significant progress?

    Progress is defined as killing the enemy, and it is proceeding just nicely...

    They are in a self declared moratorium to deploying post INF missiles in Russia.

    That moratorium was about the US not deploying INF breaking weapons to Europe so Russia would not break it either, but they have already tested Tomahawk missiles from the AEGIS Ashore launchers they said were not compatible with cruise missiles... so I think they would be free to do as they please now.

    They didn't have nearly enough troops to cut Ukraine from south to north. Probably, in the hundreds of thousands. Ukraine is huge geographically, and their army has a lot of man. That proposition would be very risky and hard to do.

    Not to mention that it would open up the much larger forces required to flank and supply column attacks just making themselves even more vulnerable to the Orcs and the way the US has trained them to be terrorists essentially.

    The way they trained the Muj in Afghanistan in the 1980s and all the other terrorist groups like the KLA and ISIS...

    Kinda alarming as it is not likely that these guys would speak out unless it was approved by Beijing. Seems like some message that China may be losing confidence in Russias ability to win.

    Asia times is a site that is regularly quoted by trolls because of its anti Russia slant.

    You ask for a cease-fire to give your proxy room to breathe and get its shit in order to continue the defense and the objective at hand.

    Sometimes a cease fire break is useful for both sides... do you think a three day cease fire would turn the tide and allow Kiev to win?

    Still, it is interesting that something like this can be published, worth keeping in mind that there is a power struggle ongoing between Xi's camp of hardliners and the liberal, globalist-loving technocrats.

    Asia times is based in Hongkong and is an english language site that caters to pro UK anti Russian type westerners and western oriented Chinese.

    I mean we have streams and streams of all kind of equipment

    And where has it gone?...

    Phases yet to come....

    If ANYONE knows what a war of attrition looks like its the Chinese. Remember Korea?

    That was a stalemate... then later they attacked Vietnam and lost... the former Ukrainian diplomat from China would not be a military expert, but would be an expert in corruption and accepting bribes...

    Even the Russians admit they are losing the propaganda war.

    It is not worth any effort to win because it is meaningless...

    I don't understand using Mosin aside for propaganda reasons as a weapon that fought the Nazis in ww2. I hope those reservists are issued AKs for fight. If they are just doing patrolling duties, even SKS is much better. Russia should have hundreds of thousand AKs of all versions in reserve.

    In mountains you can shoot enemy soldiers at distances they can do nothing to you in return, and equally on flat open plains you can engage the enemy at distances that most of the enemy platoon can do nothing in reply.

    They are not full auto machine guns, but when you are just killing people rate of fire is over rated.

    It is funny but if you believe western propaganda all their soldiers are snipers and fire single shot only and the weapons and ammo are so accurate and the troops trained so well... pretty much the opposite of what we see in videos of real footage of western soldiers in combat.

    A bolt action rifle is obsolete as a front line weapon, but if the enemy have assault rifles then it gives you a range advantage even if you lack a fire power advantage.

    I must say whatever the story is with all these river crossings and the Moskva and everything else, whatever the actual casualties, there are clearly enough incompetents around in the officer corps to fill some penal battalions with. And the penal battalion is very much a practice we need to bring back. Give the LDNR and Chechens a break from being sent into to storm urban fortresses.

    Yeah... your favourite story of Russian military incompetence is shown to be total bullshit but you double down and claim heads must roll... Kiev is proud of your support comrade.... you win the Navalny medal for being a censored

    The point of the Chinese ambassadors comments is that modern war is multi dimensional. Propaganda is part of EVERY modern war. If you are losing the propaganda war it does not mean you will lose the war, but it sure as hell will be harder to win.

    Rubbish. Russia has lost in Chechnia and Syria and South Ossetia and Crimea then? They didn't lose... propaganda only makes sense to get a population to do something to influence the war... the US media influenced the US citizens against the war in Vietnam and so they left the war, but Soviet media influencing the Soviet people regarding the US involvement in that Police Operation would be important for the US to win why?

    How could the Soviet people being against the US invasion of Vietnam make any difference at all... simple answer is it doesn't... just like western opinion of Russian success or otherwise in Ukraine is not worth any effort either.

    They have other things to focus on.

    If the Russians were more adept at propaganda there would be less support for Ukraine and less hatred against Russia. You think Finland and Sweden joining NATO is a win?

    Yes... it is a fabulous win.... those cocksuckers can spend to their hearts content making the US MIC richer... if they didn't like Russia before and they hate them now... well who needs such friends and trade partners.

    US arguments for selling their own gas to the EU and stopping Russian sales of gas revolve around why are you paying money to your enemy... well the Russian economy is growing and developing and there is a lot of investments that can make good money that the west is now missing out on... even more so because the EU has chosen to give up cheap Russian gas which will make them less competitive on the international markets.

    Screw the west. Let them hate Russia and Russians the way a starving man in the gutter hates the affluent well fed people walking past him every day not giving him a second glance.

    It is amusing that it takes a Vann to put FP out of troll mode and into realist mode...

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    Post  Isos Sun May 15, 2022 11:44 am

    I guess it's a perfect tool in this war. I wonder why they waited so much to use them. Maybe asign that the vig offensive will start now.

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    Post  DerWolf Sun May 15, 2022 12:08 pm

    Does Terminator have APS ?
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    Post  Serberus Sun May 15, 2022 12:09 pm

    Denazified Wehrmacht troops from the failed Snake island assault.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun May 15, 2022 12:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:This argument about the Mosin-Nagant is academic

    They were literally dished out to hastily mobilized school teachers and such

    These aren't trained marksmen. They're civilians who at the most might have a little experience from the first war 8 years prior but would be pretty out of practice by now. More likely though, they're just ordinary civilians.
    I mean I'm sure these rifles are used in defense of buildings, with attempts at all sorts of interesting tactics. But for people with that level of expertise, they'll be better off with AKs, and defend or advance the good old fashioned way - by attaining firepower superiority. Rain enough fire onto the advancing enemy and he won't be able to get closer. Rain enough fire onto an enemy in defense and you'll pin him and then you can get closer. That's why assault rifles are versatile and noob-friendly.

    To hit even a target 300m away consistently with any sort of weapon, you need a lot of time spent at the range already. And BTW any AK apart from the most abysmal Bulgarian copy is perfectly accurate enough up to at least that range.
    If we're talking about ranges beyond 300m, then any weapon that maintains accuracy to 400-800m is fabulous, but useless for most people. You'll need a scope on the rifle, that you'll need the training, nerves and so on to be able to use effectively, you'll need to know how to keep the scope zero'd, and so on and so on. Not that I even saw scopes on those rifles.

    What a bolt-action rifle is good for as well though, is to teach the fundamentals of shooting. So I guess, it might be an interesting way to get the mobilized reserves through a baptism of fire. So long as you don't stick them anywhere too hairy. And then better issue them with AKs afterwards, unless they prove to be fantastic shots.

    Have you served? Iron sights can still get u hitting targets 600m even 800m if your good. Previous pics of troops armed with such looked far more professional than the ones in the video. And giving AK to noobs as u put isn't always a good thing, then then to be more trigger happy blasting off rounds wasting ammo, a bolt action reduces the tendancy to blast off as many and makes them more likely to actually aim when they fire. It's why here in UK cadet rifles were always bolt action or require a cock for every round to install a disciplined shot, I was a cadet for year before joining the army.

    And as u said needing a scope needs training especially on the SVD hence a SVD hasn't been issued to then despite Russia having truck loads of SVD. And as previously stated the power of the mosin verses the AK. The AK is good for patrolling a d attacking but defending building in a built up area the mosin is rather more useful. I really wish people here had FIBUA training maybe they would understand that tactics are completely different and not based on call of duty or some film they have watched. Various weapons are used and a completely different ratio compared to fighting in the field. I spent a whole year training in FIBUA, majority of the time troops got 2 weeks.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun May 15, 2022 12:24 pm

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    Shells supplied by the Netherlands for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    On one of them the inscription - "revenge for MH17".

    I don’t understand how the shells delivered to the Ukrainians will avenge the Boeing shot down by the Ukrainians.  Do they explode in the barrel?

    Shocked

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    Post  Regular Sun May 15, 2022 12:34 pm

    Serberus wrote:Denazified Wehrmacht troops from the failed Snake island assault.
    Footage released by Zvezda News
    https://t.me/istocni_front/5995

    Oh so the poor bastards did disembark on it somehow. Would love more Russian footage of the island, what a meatgrinder it was...

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Sun May 15, 2022 12:37 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:

    On one of them the inscription - "revenge for MH17".

    I don’t understand how the shells delivered to the Ukrainians will avenge the Boeing shot down by the Ukrainians.  Do they explode in the barrel?

    Shocked

    Maybe they think Zelensky will use those Dutch shells to kill his own people once agains. Western politics is a freakshow. clown

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 12:42 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:This argument about the Mosin-Nagant is academic

    They were literally dished out to hastily mobilized school teachers and such

    These aren't trained marksmen. They're civilians who at the most might have a little experience from the first war 8 years prior but would be pretty out of practice by now. More likely though, they're just ordinary civilians.
    I mean I'm sure these rifles are used in defense of buildings, with attempts at all sorts of interesting tactics. But for people with that level of expertise, they'll be better off with AKs, and defend or advance the good old fashioned way - by attaining firepower superiority. Rain enough fire onto the advancing enemy and he won't be able to get closer. Rain enough fire onto an enemy in defense and you'll pin him and then you can get closer. That's why assault rifles are versatile and noob-friendly.

    To hit even a target 300m away consistently with any sort of weapon, you need a lot of time spent at the range already. And BTW any AK apart from the most abysmal Bulgarian copy is perfectly accurate enough up to at least that range.
    If we're talking about ranges beyond 300m, then any weapon that maintains accuracy to 400-800m is fabulous, but useless for most people. You'll need a scope on the rifle, that you'll need the training, nerves and so on to be able to use effectively, you'll need to know how to keep the scope zero'd, and so on and so on. Not that I even saw scopes on those rifles.

    What a bolt-action rifle is good for as well though, is to teach the fundamentals of shooting. So I guess, it might be an interesting way to get the mobilized reserves through a baptism of fire. So long as you don't stick them anywhere too hairy. And then better issue them with AKs afterwards, unless they prove to be fantastic shots.

    Have you served? Iron sights can still get u hitting targets 600m even 800m if your good. Previous pics of troops armed with such looked far more professional than the ones in the video. And giving AK to noobs as u put isn't always a good thing, then then to be more trigger happy blasting off rounds wasting ammo, a bolt action reduces the tendancy to blast off as many and makes them more likely to actually aim when they fire. It's why here in UK cadet rifles were always bolt action or require a cock for every round to install a disciplined shot, I was a cadet for year before joining the army.

    And as u said needing a scope needs training especially on the SVD hence a SVD hasn't been issued to then despite Russia having truck loads of SVD. And as previously stated the power of the mosin verses the AK. The AK is good for patrolling a d attacking but defending building in a built up area the mosin is rather more useful. I really wish people here had FIBUA training maybe they would understand that tactics are completely different and not based on call of duty or some film they have watched. Various weapons are used and a completely different ratio compared to fighting in the field. I spent a whole year training in FIBUA, majority of the time troops got 2 weeks.

    Yes I've served, for an entire year ( clown ), which is the sort of experience and training level you might expect from hastily levied civilians in their 30s-50s as well, unless they had served already in the first war (which some of them have to be fair)

    I was also the best shot in the barracks, was even given a commendation for it by my superior officer, because I was actually able to land over half my shots with an AK on a man-sized target 100m away first time out on the range. While almost everyone else.. well, couldn't. By the 2nd time out on the range I already had a competitor who just managed to edge me out, but I was still the 2nd best shot in the barracks.
    If we were firing at targets 300m away I can't even imagine what a laughable shitfest it would have been. There would be tons of work in getting anyone to that level, including myself probably. Stability. Timing. Patience. Focusing.

    My experience at firing bolt-action rifles (.22 but anyway) definitely helped, as did firing assault rifles before in single shot as well much as the CCF cadets in the UK do with those gimped SA-80s. Most conscripts I served with didn't have the benefit of even that little bit of experience.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 12:58 pm

    The Ukrainian soldiers are terribly picky it must be said

    Criticizing all that l77t Western gear that's supposed to be busy saving the day and defeating Russia

    Maybe they should act their assigned role as cannon fodder and fight with what they have, or it hasn't been conveyed to them yet that this is all that's required of them and with no extra criticisms please?

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    Post  Mir Sun May 15, 2022 1:09 pm

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    Is that the Ghost of Odessa on a CAP mission in a Yak-52? Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 1:15 pm

    Found this article on Russian air-to-surface missiles observed in use in the Ukraine

    https://topwar.ru/195809-skalpeli-demilitarizacii-rossijskie-rakety-vozduh-poverhnost.html

    Demilitarization scalpels: Russian air-to-surface missiles
    May 8, 2022

    Second wave of demilitarization

    In the course of "Special Operation Z", a new direction of demilitarization gradually emerged - the destruction of NATO weapons , with which the West saturates Ukraine. You can call it the second wave. It is difficult to overestimate the importance of the complex of these events. The initial stage of the special operation focused more on the destruction of weapons made in Ukraine and the USSR.

    Now the priority is highly effective Western weapons, which are partially destroyed on distant frontiers, for example, in Lvov. But without the total destruction of the Dnieper bridges and crossings, a considerable part of military equipment will inevitably end up in the east of the country. And here it is already a stone's throw to the front. Logisticians of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will most likely disperse Western Lend-Lease among small storage facilities and warehouses, which seriously complicates the tasks of demilitarization.

    On the one hand, such caches are difficult to detect, and on the other hand, they are not easy to destroy without collateral damage. Still, no one canceled the task of preserving the lives of civilians in Ukraine as much as possible. In the best traditions of the Ukrainian military, the storage of weapons is organized at civilian infrastructure facilities. It turns out and secretly, and Russia, in the event of the destruction of ammunition, can be accused of strikes on peaceful targets.

    From the latter, in the Sinelnikovsky district of the Dnipropetrovsk region, weapons were placed on the territory of the agricultural complex in a warehouse with grain. Quite naturally, in early May, a Kh-59 rocket flew there, presumably. The product hit literally 20–30 meters from agricultural machinery. Of course, it was possible to work out the agricultural complex with both Caliber and even Iskander, but the destruction of the surroundings would be incomparable.

    Why give Nazi propagandists another reason to denigrate the Russian army? Such work of the VSC is akin to the craft of a surgeon, when it is necessary to carefully cut out malignant tumors. Air-to-surface guided missiles from the arsenal of the Aerospace Forces are becoming real scalpels of demilitarization.

    Homing seekers

    Destroying the stocks of the Ukrainian army is far from the only task for aviation missiles. Legitimate targets are enemy armored vehicles, air defense systems of various classes, aircraft at airfields, command posts, and much more.

    It is worth mentioning right away that in the framework of this review we will not touch on air-launched cruise missiles. Still, this is a different class of weapons, and their goals are of a different level. And they are less suitable for the conditional role of scalpels - there are several hundred kilograms of warheads on board. The products considered within the framework of the material can be conditionally called tactical or front-line air-to-surface missiles.

    One of the most important systems of missiles designed for ground/surface targets is the homing seeker. Or the hand that controls the scalpel. Not to be confused with passive heads, which are equipped with anti-radar missiles. This weapon was discussed in the previous article “Suppression of Ukrainian Air Defense: Anti-Radar Arsenal of Russian Aviation” .

    Previously, active radar seekers were common, for example, the 9B-1103M product for missiles with a diameter of 200 and 350 mm. Active homing allows you to search, capture and track moving targets according to preliminary target designation from the aircraft's onboard radar at a distance of up to 40 km. The improved radar GOS "Slanets" works with the target already at a distance of up to 70 km. For the Kh-31A guided missile, an active radar homing head was developed, which is capable of capturing a target after launch.

    A separate class of homing systems are laser seekers, which, on the one hand, are more difficult to manufacture, but, on the other hand, are more accurate and smaller in weight and size. For example, the most common laser homing head 24N1 weighs only 10 kg - against 35–40 kg for a radar one. In addition, laser target designation is more difficult to suppress. There is also a minus - radar seekers operate at much greater distances (up to 40-70 km), while laser ones - no more than 12-15 km.

    In the latter case, this is fraught with the carrier, which is often forced to enter the enemy air defense detection zone. The 24N1 product guides the missile to the target, illuminating either with an onboard laser or from a ground station. The seeker has three modes of operation: "arretir" (during takeoff and landing of the carrier aircraft), "target designation" (by commands of the carrier aircraft) and "tracking" (auto-tracking of the target). Developer - Central Design Bureau "Geophysics". Laser guidance systems work in conjunction with on-board target designation systems, for example, the Kaira laser-television system, which is mounted on the Su-24M.

    Thermal homing heads on air-to-surface missiles are used to a limited extent due to low target contrast at long ranges and limited target selection capabilities. Still, there are many more "hot springs" on earth than in the sky. At the same time, for the Kh-25 light missile, the execution of the MTP is provided just with a thermal imaging seeker. This product was first introduced in 1993.

    The most advanced GOS for guided missiles, of course, are TV heads TGSN. Let's analyze the logic of the work of "telephoto" on the example of the domestic "Tubus-2" (developer - NPO "Impulse"), which can be found on the Kh-29T missiles.

    The initial search for the target is conducted by the pilot either visually or through on-board systems. The detected object for attack is transferred to the aiming and flight indicator, after which the TGSN is “attached” to it. After that, the pilot, making sure that the target is securely captured by "Tubus-2", launches the rocket. Further, the weapon independently goes to the target, focusing on the light-contrasting edge of the object - dark or light against the general background.

    From the logic of television guidance, it is clear that it is impossible to suppress such a missile - the target is not irradiated with either a radar or a laser beam. In addition, "telephoto" guide the missile to the target much more accurately than laser. The circular probable deviation of the "Tubus-2" is about 2.2 meters, while the laser ones provide 3.5-4 meters. The main disadvantages of TGSN are the inability to work at night, as well as in fog and smoke.

    VKS scalpels

    The lightest air-to-surface missile in domestic combat aviation is the Kh-25ML, which is referred to as the "short-range modular missile." Indeed, the maximum range of the rocket is limited to 10 km. The rocket carries a warhead weighing 86 kg, including 70 kg of explosives and ready-made steel submunitions. According to the developers, the Kh-25ML is capable of penetrating up to 1 meter of concrete. By default, the ML version of the rocket is equipped with a laser homing head.

    The modularity of the missile is expressed in the use of a wide range of seekers - from anti-radar (Kh-25MPU) and active radar (Kh-25MA) to thermal imaging (Kh-25MTP) and television (Kh-25MT). To work against enemy locators, the missile has an inertial guidance system. This means that the air defense system will not be able to escape, even if it turns off the radars - the missile "from memory" will find the enemy. The missile's flight path is built according to the traditional principle - first flying at low altitude, then sliding and diving at the target in order to cause maximum damage.

    The next model in the VKS arsenal is the S-25L missile, developed at the Tochmash Central Research Institute. Everything is simple with this product - it was developed and manufactured on the basis of the S-25-OFM unguided rocket. A 24N1 laser homing was put into the nose of a 400-kilogram rocket, an autopilot, rudders and drives were added, as well as a power supply unit for the entire economy. It turned out cheaply and cheerfully - from the well-mastered NUR industry, they received high-precision weapons.

    It is possible to turn an unguided rocket into a guided one in the conditions of an airfield with the help of two people, literally under the wing of a carrier aircraft. The S-25L carries a 150-kg warhead in a thick-walled penetrating hull for 7 km, and the S-25LD variant for 10 km. At choice, the missile can be equipped with all types of homing heads, with the exception of anti-radar. Most often, missiles can be found under the wing of Su-25 attack aircraft.

    The X-29 missile is designed for hard work, the weight of the warhead of which starts from 317 kg. With such a product, one can already hit the current bridges across the Dnieper or even the Beskydy railway tunnel, through which a lot of Western weapons pass. The X-29L laser-guided missile passed its baptism of fire in Afghanistan and at the same time the most effective scheme for its use appeared. The pilot of the Su-25 missile launcher cannot independently illuminate the target for a long time, so this function was assigned to ground target designation, most often to aircraft controller combat vehicles.

    As experience has shown, when destroying a large pillbox, one Su-25 with a pair of Kh-29s replaced a link of heavier Su-24s with 8 tons of bombs and 4 S-25 unguided missiles. The elimination of a 100-meter road bridge required six bombers with 12 FAB-500s, or a pair of Su-25s with four X-29s.

    In general, a real scalpel of the Russian Aerospace Forces. The aiming heads of this surgical instrument are either laser or television. The weight of the rocket, depending on the version, varies from 657 to 686 kg.

    Even heavier is the Kh-59 Gadfly missile, developed on the basis of the Kh-29 with television homing. The main advantage over its predecessor is a much longer range of application. If the Kh-29T and Kh-29L work from 8-13 km, then the Gadfly - from 40 km from the target. It is clear that to overcome such a distance, more fuel is required, due to which the mass of the warhead is reduced.

    As a result, the Kh-59, with a total weight of 790 kg, carries with it only 143 kg of a high-explosive cumulative warhead. In the Kh-59M and Kh-59ME versions, the tactical guided missile actually turns into a long-range cruise missile. The mass exceeds 930 kg, and the range of application is approaching 120 km. In these versions, a small-sized RDK-300 turbojet engine is mounted under the belly of the rockets. The regular rocket engine is removed, and additional explosives are placed in its place - as a result, up to 320 kg. This is already quite comparable with the mass of warheads of Caliber cruise missiles. There is no question of any guidance of the Gadfly within the line of sight - most often the weapon is used in the conditions of the enemy’s air defense, and the carrier is forced to be at a low altitude.

    By the way, typical conditions in the depths of the Ukrainian defense. The launch of the rocket is carried out either in autonomous mode, when the target coordinates are known in advance, or in autonomous navigation mode, when the operator searches for the target through the Tekon-1 telecommand system. Like all systems with television guidance, "Gadfly" requires good weather and the absence of smoke. In the case of working at predetermined coordinates, the Kh-59 is equipped with a satellite guidance system, which practically translates the product into the class of cruise missiles.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 1:22 pm

    Another article from a couple of weeks ago, about the Su-35S's role in the conflict and the weapon systems it uses.
    Reads more like an ad really, but anyway, interesting

    https://vm.ru/society/964881-pochemu-rossijskie-su-35-navodyat-uzhas-na-protivnikov-i-caryat-v-nebe

    Why Russian Su-35s terrify opponents and reign in the sky
    Alexander Khokhlov
    04 May 23:49

    The latest sea and air-based cruise missiles, attack aircraft and helicopters, modern tanks and infantry fighting vehicles - during the second stage of the special military operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces demonstrate the superiority of their military equipment in all respects. Vechernyaya Moskva tells about the best examples of weapons and special equipment that are now influencing the course and outcome of hostilities to liberate Donbass.

    Dominance in the Ukrainian skies is ensured by our multifunctional Su-35S fighters.

    The first Russian pilot to earn the title of Hero of Russia during the special operation was Major Viktor Dudin. During a combat patrol, he discovered a Su-27 fighter of the Ukrainian armed forces and destroyed it on the first run. Two days later, the fighter pilot was tasked with destroying the enemy Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system.

    Major Dudin at an extremely low altitude of 400 meters entered the area of ​​​​operation of the enemy’s air defense system, and as soon as the Ukrainian air defense system, turning on the radar, “opened up”, instantly destroyed it with the very first missile. He made an anti-aircraft maneuver and took his plane out of the zone of destruction of other air defense systems. Soon the combat account of the Russian pilot was replenished with three more Ukrainian Su-27 fighters shot down in air battles.

    The unique capabilities of his Su-35S helped the major achieve combat success.

    The 4++ generation multirole supermaneuverable fighter is designed to destroy almost any target. It works equally well in both close and long-range air combat.

    It is capable of climbing to great heights, reaching great speeds and at the same time carrying a powerful payload - a whole range of missile and bomb weapons. Modern radar and optoelectronic systems for detecting and guiding weapons make it possible to destroy the enemy at the maximum ranges of the Su-35S. The multifunctional Sukhois received their baptism of fire during the operation in Syria. The nature of hostilities in Ukraine is incomparably more difficult, but for the pilots of the Russian Su-35S this task can be solved.

    Armed and very dangerous

    The modern tactical aviation aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces is capable of destroying a wide range of targets. The Su-35S armament range includes air-to-air, air-to-surface, air-to-radar and air-to-ship munitions; the fighter is capable of working on different objects in one flight. For example, according to data from open sources, Kh-31P high-speed anti-radar missiles are used to destroy enemy radars.

    The weight of the high-explosive fragmentation warhead of such ammunition is 87 kg, and they fly at a distance of up to 110 km. The search for a target is carried out either by the aircraft's equipment, or by the radar homing head of the Kh-31P itself. Such a rocket cannot miss.

    To destroy ground targets, the Kh-38MLE and Kh-29ML missiles with laser, as well as Kh-29TE with television homing heads, are placed on the hangers of the aircraft.

    The Su-35S is also capable of carrying eight KAB-500Kr and KAB 500OD TV-guided half-ton guided bombs to the front line. He can destroy protected targets with KAB-1500KR TV and KAB-1500LG guided bombs. They weigh 1500 kg each.

    The main task of the fighter is to gain air supremacy. To destroy air targets, it also uses medium-range air-to-air guided missiles R-77.

    Indestructible

    The Su-35S has a high survivability in combat. This is ensured thanks to the latest set of electronic countermeasures, as well as the possibility of low-altitude aircraft flight. The pilot of this fighter cannot be taken by surprise. The situational awareness of the pilot is achieved through optoelectronic and electronic intelligence systems.

    Specifications Su-35S

       Take-off weight of the aircraft: up to 34.5 tons
       Combat load weight: up to 8 tons
       Number of ammunition hardpoints: 12
       Flight range without refueling: up to 3600 km
       Speed: up to 2500 km/h
       High ceiling: 20 km
       Air target detection range: up to 350 km

    DIRECT SPEECH

    Viktor Sokirko, reserve major, military expert:

    - Among the serial aircraft in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces, the Su-35S has no rivals. He has a long range. The advantages of this aircraft, in addition to high armament, are perfect means of target detection, supersonic speed, reduced radar visibility, combat survivability and a multi-channel electronic warfare system. Su-35S are capable of working smoothly in the sky as part of a group of up to 16 aircraft.

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    Post  PhSt Sun May 15, 2022 1:56 pm

    When is Kharkov going to be liberated?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun May 15, 2022 2:04 pm

    PhSt wrote:When is Kharkov going to be liberated?

    After Donbass....

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun May 15, 2022 2:09 pm

    More drones?
    Yes, call in Tehran and request 40 x Schahed 129 to inclusive teams. Air bridge and they will be on the front in 3 days.
    Please add it every month. Payment is made with MIG-29M2/SMT or 35. What is Moscow waiting for?
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    Post  caveat emptor Sun May 15, 2022 2:10 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:This argument about the Mosin-Nagant is academic

    They were literally dished out to hastily mobilized school teachers and such

    These aren't trained marksmen. They're civilians who at the most might have a little experience from the first war 8 years prior but would be pretty out of practice by now. More likely though, they're just ordinary civilians.
    I mean I'm sure these rifles are used in defense of buildings, with attempts at all sorts of interesting tactics. But for people with that level of expertise, they'll be better off with AKs, and defend or advance the good old fashioned way - by attaining firepower superiority. Rain enough fire onto the advancing enemy and he won't be able to get closer. Rain enough fire onto an enemy in defense and you'll pin him and then you can get closer. That's why assault rifles are versatile and noob-friendly.

    To hit even a target 300m away consistently with any sort of weapon, you need a lot of time spent at the range already. And BTW any AK apart from the most abysmal Bulgarian copy is perfectly accurate enough up to at least that range.
    If we're talking about ranges beyond 300m, then any weapon that maintains accuracy to 400-800m is fabulous, but useless for most people. You'll need a scope on the rifle, that you'll need the training, nerves and so on to be able to use effectively, you'll need to know how to keep the scope zero'd, and so on and so on. Not that I even saw scopes on those rifles.

    What a bolt-action rifle is good for as well though, is to teach the fundamentals of shooting. So I guess, it might be an interesting way to get the mobilized reserves through a baptism of fire. So long as you don't stick them anywhere too hairy. And then better issue them with AKs afterwards, unless they prove to be fantastic shots.

    Have you served? Iron sights can still get u hitting targets 600m even 800m if your good. Previous pics of troops armed with such looked far more professional than the ones in the video. And giving AK to noobs as u put isn't always a good thing, then then to be more trigger happy blasting off rounds wasting ammo, a bolt action reduces the tendancy to blast off as many and makes them more likely to actually aim when they fire. It's why here in UK cadet rifles were always bolt action or require a cock for every round to install a disciplined shot, I was a cadet for year before joining the army.

    And as u said needing a scope needs training especially on the SVD hence a SVD hasn't been issued to then despite Russia having truck loads of SVD. And as previously stated the power of the mosin verses the AK. The AK is good for patrolling a d attacking but defending building in a built up area the mosin is rather more useful. I really wish people here had FIBUA training maybe they would understand that tactics are completely different and not based on call of duty or some film they have watched. Various weapons are used and a completely different ratio compared to fighting in the field. I spent a whole year training in FIBUA, majority of the time troops got 2 weeks.
    Hitting consistently mansized target from 800m using iron sights, makes you a great shooter. Sniper potential, 100%. Most people won't be ever capable of something like that. In Serbian army any conscript that could hit a target with PAP 
    ( Serbian SKS) from 400m, with consistency was considered a good shot.


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    Post  Belisarius Sun May 15, 2022 2:27 pm

    Another appeal of the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The 115th brigade is in touch.

    Brief retelling:

    There is no way to follow orders. The evil enemy, with the help of irresistible force, drove us out of the positions we occupied from April 19 to May 3.

    They were forced to flee to the rear, because the General Staff did not prepare a reserve position. We cannot perform combat missions due to low moral and psychological state.
    https://t.me/levigodman/1941

    🇺🇦 "We won't be enough for a long time - our aviation and artillery are not working, the command has thrown us..."

    A fresh appeal to Zelensky from a volunteer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in the Donbass, who tells how the command sent them to slaughter.
    https://t.me/intelslava/28876

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