SeigSoloyvov wrote:Again doesn't say is these are one of the hundreds meant to be refitted or a brand spanking new vehicle from top to bottom, the claim was they are producing fresh T90's not they are refitting the older versions to M
So what? They had a couple hundred T-90 in storage and if these were converted they came out of that. Not active duty T-90s.
We know they have manufactured at least some new T-90M tanks. Like completely new. In the first year of production it was only like half a dozen. Now probably substantially more.
Russia exported like 900 T-90 tanks to several countries. Who do you think produced them? And that is excluding exports to India. Several hundred of exports to India were wholly made in Russia and way more were built in India from knockdown kits. Which probably initially included entire engines, suspensions, ERA, etc they had to import from Russia and other things like that. India alone operates over two thousand T-90 tanks.
The West's claim is Russia cannot manufacture tanks without their precious electronics and French imported thermal sights. So how come they are building T-90Ms then? The fact is those imports were replaced like 6 years ago at least. And this is publicly available information. You can find it in the Rostec website news archives. Most of the thermal sights which continue to be delivered to Russia after 2014 were for satisfying already signed export contracts to countries which included these systems in their specifications. But retard is as retard goes.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:2. Your link proves nothing, all I see are tanks on a train, they could be from anywhere, there is no indication where those tanks are coming from or when they were made. Those words do not claim these are fresh T90Ms, its talking about the Avoz surrender. Also how do you know those are brand new T90Ms? They have a tarp over them could literally be any tank with an APS.
There are photos of the tanks inside the plant and being loaded on rail. Looking at the roadwheels paint scheme shows these are the same tanks basically. They have the same cammo scheme which is different from uniform dark green color scheme of initial T-90M deliveries.
As to why they are covered with tarps, probably to make identification by satellite assets more difficult. Western intelligence probably looks at these facilities all the time to try to know how many and which type of tanks they are producing. Why make your enemy's job easier?
SeigSoloyvov wrote:There is a difference in reffiting and building from ground up, also if they are producing fresh tanks that warrant questions of why? Russia never stated it planned to make brand new t90m's, the plan was to upgrade these and make T14's.
So the meaning is different.
What is the T14 Super behind schedule that they feel like they need to produce more T90M's? are losses that catastrophic on the front, they are making fresh tanks? or for some strange reason they just decided "Eh lets make new T90M" despite against they never announced that attention in years prior.
Unexpected decisions like building brand new T90M's had to be warranted by something if there are making them and russia current tanks are fine for the ukraine conflict, You don't just burn millions building new tanks that you never for.
No. There were always plans to make a limited number of whole new T-90M tanks. And some were delivered in the initial batch even.
I would not be surprised if they increased the state order for T-90M tanks. Since you do not convert production lines in the middle of a war.
The T-14 is behind schedule. But since when was a new weapon system, especially a revolutionary one like T-14, ever delivered on schedule?
And Russia looks at things long term. If the cost to produce a T-14 is only slightly higher than of a T-90M and the T-14 has potential to be upgraded for like 3 or 4 decades into the future while the T-90 is a dead end of course they will build more T-14s.