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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat May 14, 2022 4:11 pm

    I am not giving my opinion on t90 vs t72, I post what Uralvagonzavod released on their own channel

    They said white house is working to stop UVZ, but they will continue to work, and posted t90M

    The old world is done, it's gone, the very orientation of Russian defense companies has shifted due to world changes

    Russia will no longer depend on exports, and domestic orders will increase

    I will not be surprised to see all orders fulfilled and additional orders placed and filled in secret

    The time of disclosing Russian orders is gone.

    The west will have no idea how many t90m or su30 or su57 are in the works right now

    And none of that info is available to guys on the internet

    If the West thinks they can declare war in Russia and depend on Russia happily announcing orders and figures for equipment they are so wrong its not even funny

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat May 14, 2022 4:15 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Well first off that was never the plan, that's just what the armchair experts here said, shouldn't have listened to them. The reality is Russia has insufficient forces in Ukraine and Ukraine is exploiting this

    Wishful thinking

    You or noone has any clue what Kremlin and MOD want

    If you believe Putin is building the evil empire, you're better off reading the Sun or the Drive for info


    You have no clue what MOD and Kremlin time table for this war is

    When it could escalate, when it will die down

    You are observer like every other irrelevant observer is

    The generals and president along with the leadership define the goals

    Denazification and demilitarization is kremlinspeak
    For those not important enough to know

    So sit back and watch the show like every one else

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat May 14, 2022 4:20 pm

    yeah yeah make up all the BS you want, doesn't change a thing.
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    Post  Hole Sat May 14, 2022 4:45 pm

    https://sonar21.com/the-art-of-disinformation-western-lies-about-the-war-in-ukraine/

    The fat dumbass Austin called Shoigu to beg for a ceasefire. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  lyle6 Sat May 14, 2022 4:51 pm

    Hole wrote:https://sonar21.com/the-art-of-disinformation-western-lies-about-the-war-in-ukraine/

    The fat dumbass Austin called Shoigu to beg for a ceasefire. Laughing Laughing Laughing


    Its helpful, if not customary to offer something in return when asking for a favor. Perhaps Austin should have issued the n-word pass to the Russians, so they won't have to import subsitute their own. HNrrep.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I asked about your claim of T90M production rates, how rapidly is the company spitting these out? because russa only planned refit 370ish T90's into them since that's all they have

    because Russia hasn't started up a new T90M production line
    Previously Russia was squirreling away a large portion of its surplus revenues into its foreign reserves. Where do you think they would put that money now that that option is no longer attractive?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat May 14, 2022 5:19 pm

    The Russian economy is a different economy, foreign currency is really unattractive right now

    Domestic orders support the currency

    So right now I'd bet that orders have been placed that were unannounced by MOD

    The policy of announcing orders in the State Armament Programs were during peacetime under a different world order

    Now things have changed, probably forever

    Russia won't disclose orders, and the domestic production schedule is facilitated with state support of the ruble

    It's not like 2018 where the Russian economy was a capital outflow style economy and SAP 2018 was oriented towards a semi globalized world

    2022 was the year that globalization died , so I would not doubt that huge orders have been placed quietly and all industry is working without issue simply due to oil and gas revenues and strong local currency

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    Post  Mir Sat May 14, 2022 5:35 pm

    Well Russia is involved in a major conflict and the Swedes and the Finns are looking at joining the NATzo clan. Increasing orders and production rates seems to be a logical next step to defend the Motherland from the fascist hordes.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat May 14, 2022 5:39 pm

    Ironic really, Russia went in to stop this but only made Finland and Sweden Join, now it will have NATO forces along a much bigger border.

    Well to be fair, Finland was going to join soon enough anyways, all Ukraine did was speed things up.

    Sweden was the one who joined cause of the war.

    Now all we need is China joining CSTO and we got some videogame factions going.
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    Post  Belisarius Sat May 14, 2022 5:43 pm

    Footage of the destruction of the pontoon crossing and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine when trying to cross the Seversky Donets
    In the course of reconnaissance and search operations of a motorized rifle unit of the RF Armed Forces, an UAV crew discovered a unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on infantry fighting vehicles that attempted to cross the pontoon crossing.
    The pontoon crossing was completely destroyed by artillery fire and sank. The enemy armored vehicles with crews that managed to cross the pontoons during the battle were destroyed by the fire of Russian artillerymen and crews of infantry fighting vehicles. Part of the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was captured by Russian servicemen. https://t.me/mod_russia/15739
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/6685

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    Post  Mir Sat May 14, 2022 5:53 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ironic really, Russia went in to stop this but only made Finland and Sweden Join, now it will have NATO forces along a much bigger border.

    Well to be fair, Finland was going to join soon enough anyways, all Ukraine did was speed things up.

    Sweden was the one who joined cause of the war.

    Now all we need is China joining CSTO and we got some videogame factions going.

    Even during the Cold War years countries like Sweden and Austria were practically part of NATzo - even the "completely and totally neutral" Swiss!
    The Finns on the other hand were much less so inclined through that period, but hey if they wish to put a target on their back (like the Baltic countries) - why not?

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    Post  Arrow Sat May 14, 2022 5:56 pm

    Su 25 VKS
    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1525478176931053568?t=m0lKHlhuxKDElg8hZmnR4Q&s=19

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat May 14, 2022 5:58 pm

    @diabetius u stated "That's nonsense. An AK is better at every conceivable role save for sniping. An AK firing semi auto with iron sights is far more effective at defending buildings at realistic ranges than a mosin with irons is."

    Clearly you have zero military experience and majority of your comments are BS hence I have u on ignore enough said.

    @regular you stated "
    It's evident they won't be doing armed school cop duty and will be part of an offensive on an ever-changing battlefield. SVD is superior to any bolt action there is in ANY ROLE, even in sniping"

    Yet again its clear u have no military experience or weapons intelligence. SVD is a marksman/battlefield rifle it isn't superior at anything other than that role. It's certainly not superior to sniping as you claim it cannot match the accuracy of a bolt action sniper rifle and it cannot match the range and accuracy of a 12.7mm sniper rifle. I actually fired a Dragunov in Ukraine back in 2014 (happy to show you the pic) on the same day also a mosin nagant carbine. Ask yourself if the SVD is superior to any other weapon in any role as u state then every Russian would be armed with one and nobody would be armed with assault rifles and sniper rifles, LMG, etc. Your comment was pretty dumb to be honest. Every weapon has it's purpose and it's advantages and disadvantages.

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    Post  lancelot Sat May 14, 2022 6:08 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I asked about your claim of T90M production rates, how rapidly is the company spitting these out? because russa only planned refit 370ish T90's into them since that's all they have
    because Russia hasn't started up a new T90M production line
    Russia has made a couple new production T90M tanks. Like single digits I think.
    So they could make more if they wanted to. But I think after this war is over production will switch to T-14 Armata.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat May 14, 2022 6:45 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I asked about your claim of T90M production rates, how rapidly is the company spitting these out? because russa only planned refit 370ish T90's into them since that's all they have
    because Russia hasn't started up a new T90M production line
    Russia has made a couple new production T90M tanks. Like single digits I think.
    So they could make more if they wanted to. But I think after this war is over production will switch to T-14 Armata.

    The production lines are unknown , the days of GPV announcements are gone

    Russia isn't going to announce like in the days of rosboronexport sales to EU and other states what it is making, in which quantity and all this

    The only figures people can go off is what was announced before

    As I said, those days are gone

    That's how PLA operates and Russia always should have too, China never announced how many j 20 or j31 they made everything is deduced by satellite Intel and pictures

    But Russia should no longer announce these things



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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat May 14, 2022 6:47 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ironic really, Russia went in to stop this but only made Finland and Sweden Join, now it will have NATO forces along a much bigger border.

    Well to be fair, Finland was going to join soon enough anyways, all Ukraine did was speed things up.

    Sweden was the one who joined cause of the war.

    Now all we need is China joining CSTO and we got some videogame factions going.

    Sweden has been NATO in all but name since the 1950s, so it makes no difference. Sweden coordinated everything military with the U.S. from the late 40's and onwards. Sweden even took direct hits, lost personnel while performing crazy daredevil photo reconnaissance missions and later extremely provocative SIGINT against the USSR on direct U.S. orders for decades, and it made sure to design its military infrastructure so that they could seamlessly accomodate U.S. assets in case of an all-out European war etc. Yeah, they meanwhile professed to be "neutral" but that was mostly a show for the home audience. For the same reason, these "direct hits" were thoroughly covered up at the time, and were only acknowledged over the past two decades.

    Finland was actually far more "neutral" in practice during the Cold War, less NATOfied so to speak. Them sharing a significant border to the USSR was part of it, actual skin in the game so to speak, the diplomatic game that's called "Finlandization" nowadays (Kekkonen doctrine etc) was a major factor(1), Finland did a balancing act that worked very well.

    But since the fall of the USSR in the early 1990s Finland's also been NATO in all but name.

    (1) Sweden never shared any border with the USSR, nor the RF later, but early NATO-member Norway (since 1949!) did share actual borders, and in spite of being in NATO from the get-go Norway dealt with the USSR and later the RF in a much more diplomatic manner. Again, actual skin in the game. Well, until they kinda blew it with the Frode Berg affair a couple of years ago. A plot that was no doubt concocted at Langley, TBH. Oslo took the hit ("NATO" more often than not means being a U.S. vassal/useful idiot, after all), but yeah.


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    Post  Vann7 Sat May 14, 2022 7:00 pm

    there are two ways ,to defeat people in a trench.. one is the russian way using artillery day and night firing 100 strikes to kill one enemy soldier , and the other way the ukrainian way using drones .. which one is more effective?  


    The 59th Motorized Brigade of Ukraine using drone-dropped munition to target troops in trenches





    With drones you can see in real time , second by second where you strike and how many soldiers
    are there and not have to wave hundreds of strikeks in an place that have no soldiers. notice how even cheap drones with unguided bombs can strike directly in trenches..   this is what is causing russia to lose so many soldiers.. russia need thousands of this cheap drones , they can damage the moral of soldiers even if you don't kill that many . but the idea of knowing the airspace is infested with drones
    above you that can see you clearly where you are,cause fear on anyone.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat May 14, 2022 7:05 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I asked about your claim of T90M production rates, how rapidly is the company spitting these out? because russa only planned refit 370ish T90's into them since that's all they have
    because Russia hasn't started up a new T90M production line
    Russia has made a couple new production T90M tanks. Like single digits I think.
    So they could make more if they wanted to. But I think after this war is over production will switch to T-14 Armata.
    Last year UVZ delivered 65.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Sat May 14, 2022 7:06 pm

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have hit 28 company strongholds of AFU and 2 ammunition depots near Petrovskoe and Zhovtnevoe during the day.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 33 areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 90 nationalists and up to 18 armoured and motor vehicles.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 6 command posts, 178 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, 3 fortified bunkers, and 28 artillery units at firing positions, including 1 Smerch multiple-launch rocket system launcher near Berezovka, Odessa Region, during the day.

    💥Russian air defence means have shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles during the day near Russkaya Lozovaya, Pitomnik, and Izyum in Kharkov Region, including one over Snake Island.

    ▫In addition, 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile was intercepted near Khleborob and 3 Smerch multiple-launch rocket launchers were intercepted near the village of Kamenka, Kharkov Region.

    📊In total, 165 Ukrainian aircraft and 125 helicopters, 864 unmanned aerial vehicles, 304 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,067 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 372 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,514 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,913 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
    @mod_russia_en

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat May 14, 2022 7:10 pm

    https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/36308

    As long as these channels are influencing public opinion it will be a problem for leadership

    1000 likes

    Again most won't care because of the professional army

    But the view of army people themselves like Razvedos and Kotenok will spread in the ranks
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    Post  sepheronx Sat May 14, 2022 7:35 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/36308

    As long as these channels are influencing public opinion it will be a problem for leadership

    1000 likes

    Again most won't care because of the professional army

    But the view of army people themselves like Razvedos and Kotenok will spread in the ranks

    1000 likes, 1000000000 dislikes, doesnt matter.

    Its the internet. Reality is different than internet and we all seen this.

    Don't play stupid please. It never has done anything. Remember Navalny's millions of viewers and likes and followers? Did that sway public opinion in his favor? No.

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    Post  Mir Sat May 14, 2022 7:38 pm

    Vann7 wrote:there are two ways ,to defeat people in a trench.. one is the russian way using artillery day and night firing 100 strikes to kill one enemy soldier , and the other way the ukrainian way using drones .. which one is more effective?  

    The 59th Motorized Brigade of Ukraine using drone-dropped munition to target troops in trenches

    With drones you can see in real time , second by second where you strike and how many soldiers
    are there and not have to wave hundreds of strikeks in an place that have no soldiers. notice how even cheap drones with unguided bombs can strike directly in trenches..   this is what is causing russia to lose so many soldiers..  russia need thousands of this cheap drones , they can damage the moral of soldiers even if you don't kill that many . but the idea of knowing the airspace is infested with drones
    above you that can see you clearly where you are,cause fear on anyone.

    Check this post by Hole >>
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8786p850-russian-special-military-operation-in-ukraine-15

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    Post  flamming_python Sat May 14, 2022 8:55 pm

    Belisarius wrote:Footage of the destruction of the pontoon crossing and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine when trying to cross the Seversky Donets
    In the course of reconnaissance and search operations of a motorized rifle unit of the RF Armed Forces, an UAV crew discovered a unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on infantry fighting vehicles that attempted to cross the pontoon crossing.
    The pontoon crossing was completely destroyed by artillery fire and sank.  The enemy armored vehicles with crews that managed to cross the pontoons during the battle were destroyed by the fire of Russian artillerymen and crews of infantry fighting vehicles.  Part of the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was captured by Russian servicemen. https://t.me/mod_russia/15739
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/6685

    I did say that the Ukrs were the only ones trying to cross the river and establishing pontoon crossings at that time

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat May 14, 2022 8:58 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/36308

    As long as these channels are influencing public opinion it will be a problem for leadership

    1000 likes

    Again most won't care because of the professional army

    But the view of army people themselves like Razvedos and Kotenok will spread in the ranks
    Nothing wrong with this. You will know this better than me, but people still remember shameful Kursk handling by the army and, more so, Pavel Grachev and Grozny.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat May 14, 2022 9:07 pm

    By talking openly about losses or mistakes made, you show accountability of the people that made those mistakes to your own population. If this is not shown, population will start to look for other sources of information and automatically, become more susceptible to your enemies propaganda.
    @sepheronx
    With all due respect me and you are not Russians, neither we live in Russia. We can have different views, but it's not our family and friends that are dying in Ukraine.
    Making parallels with Navalny's videos is completely misplaced.

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