Regular wrote:It's just me, or did anyone find it weird that when Mariupol was surrounded - Ukrainians didn't cry for help as much as they do when they have Azovstal surrounded? Only when there were no civilians left they went all out and started to cry for help? Does it mean they want to maximalize martyrdom?
Because back then they didn't know that bunch of VIPs will be getting stuck in some Soviet era nuke bunker without possibility of ever getting out and just waiting to eventually get bundled and paraded on camera
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Serberus wrote:Denazified Wehrmacht troops from the failed Snake island assault. Footage released by Zvezda News https://t.me/istocni_front/5995
Russia should really start posting names of dead Ukrops, I know they are sitting on it for later and not everyone got IDd but this war is about cutting down numbers so no point in being modest especially with these cum dumpsters
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d_taddei2 wrote:@diabetius u stated "That's nonsense. An AK is better at every conceivable role save for sniping. An AK firing semi auto with iron sights is far more effective at defending buildings at realistic ranges than a mosin with irons is."
Clearly you have zero military experience and majority of your comments are BS hence I have u on ignore enough said.
@regular you stated " It's evident they won't be doing armed school cop duty and will be part of an offensive on an ever-changing battlefield. SVD is superior to any bolt action there is in ANY ROLE, even in sniping"
Yet again its clear u have no military experience or weapons intelligence. SVD is a marksman/battlefield rifle it isn't superior at anything other than that role. It's certainly not superior to sniping as you claim it cannot match the accuracy of a bolt action sniper rifle and it cannot match the range and accuracy of a 12.7mm sniper rifle. I actually fired a Dragunov in Ukraine back in 2014 (happy to show you the pic) on the same day also a mosin nagant carbine. Ask yourself if the SVD is superior to any other weapon in any role as u state then every Russian would be armed with one and nobody would be armed with assault rifles and sniper rifles, LMG, etc. Your comment was pretty dumb to be honest. Every weapon has it's purpose and it's advantages and disadvantages.
Sigh. You need to learn how to read. A mosin (or SVD) is not better at any role than an AK is with iron sights. You can't see far enough to make a use of the ballistics of the full sized 7.62 round. I've served and continue to serve in an army for almost a decade, if you really think a mosin is a superior infantry rifle (not a sniper rifle with optics, and it probably is inferior as a DM rifle with optics) then you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't care if you've shot something at a range. This is settled as assault rifles have replaced bolt action rifles for just about every role. If you disagree, do some basic research after you lay off the drugs you take.
You're arguing that soldiers with iron sighted mosins are better off than they would be with AKs. Think about the foolishness of such a statement.
As I said u have no military experience clearly the only thing you have been serving is more than a decade in mental health secure unit, taking vast amounts of meds and copium. Your comments on this forum are troll like and full of nonsense. I confirmed everything I have claimed in my past in this forum with evidence. Currently u have zero. Have done any FIBUA training????? Clearly not. Maybe u should enlist and doing some actual training and I don't mean on call of duty like where u got your current experience. Also learn how to use an iron sight while your at it.
Ur Back on the ignore list again
It must hurt to be this clueless.
Judging by your post right after this one, you are in no position to call anyone clueless.
The man served in an actual army. You didn't. You are a couch warrior with no skills but plenty of time to waste trolling this forums which I might add is also against the rules.
I'll ask GarryB or George to clean up this thread with all the nonsense. I know if I still had my mod privileges like I did years ago, I would be handing out suspensions for a week for the trolling going on here.
What army did he serve in lol?. I'm in an army and have been in one since 2013. He's arguing that a mosin with iron sights is superior to an AK with iron sights. There is no universe where that makes sense, and that's why armies generally issue assault rifles as standard issue weapons and abandoned bolt action rifles after WW2.
flamming_python wrote:This argument about the Mosin-Nagant is academic
They were literally dished out to hastily mobilized school teachers and such
These aren't trained marksmen. They're civilians who at the most might have a little experience from the first war 8 years prior but would be pretty out of practice by now. More likely though, they're just ordinary civilians. I mean I'm sure these rifles are used in defense of buildings, with attempts at all sorts of interesting tactics. But for people with that level of expertise, they'll be better off with AKs, and defend or advance the good old fashioned way - by attaining firepower superiority. Rain enough fire onto the advancing enemy and he won't be able to get closer. Rain enough fire onto an enemy in defense and you'll pin him and then you can get closer. That's why assault rifles are versatile and noob-friendly.
To hit even a target 300m away consistently with any sort of weapon, you need a lot of time spent at the range already. And BTW any AK apart from the most abysmal Bulgarian copy is perfectly accurate enough up to at least that range. If we're talking about ranges beyond 300m, then any weapon that maintains accuracy to 400-800m is fabulous, but useless for most people. You'll need a scope on the rifle, that you'll need the training, nerves and so on to be able to use effectively, you'll need to know how to keep the scope zero'd, and so on and so on. Not that I even saw scopes on those rifles.
What a bolt-action rifle is good for as well though, is to teach the fundamentals of shooting. So I guess, it might be an interesting way to get the mobilized reserves through a baptism of fire. So long as you don't stick them anywhere too hairy. And then better issue them with AKs afterwards, unless they prove to be fantastic shots.
Have you served? Iron sights can still get u hitting targets 600m even 800m if your good. Previous pics of troops armed with such looked far more professional than the ones in the video. And giving AK to noobs as u put isn't always a good thing, then then to be more trigger happy blasting off rounds wasting ammo, a bolt action reduces the tendancy to blast off as many and makes them more likely to actually aim when they fire. It's why here in UK cadet rifles were always bolt action or require a cock for every round to install a disciplined shot, I was a cadet for year before joining the army.
And as u said needing a scope needs training especially on the SVD hence a SVD hasn't been issued to then despite Russia having truck loads of SVD. And as previously stated the power of the mosin verses the AK. The AK is good for patrolling a d attacking but defending building in a built up area the mosin is rather more useful. I really wish people here had FIBUA training maybe they would understand that tactics are completely different and not based on call of duty or some film they have watched. Various weapons are used and a completely different ratio compared to fighting in the field. I spent a whole year training in FIBUA, majority of the time troops got 2 weeks.
You don't give "cadets" a bolt action rifle as they head to the front vs an enemy that clearly is going to fight back. "Cadets" aren't going to really be effective shooting at enemies (again, that are firing back) 400-800 meters away. The terrain isn't even that great for it due to hills and forests etc. You teach trigger discipline in the training ground, not at the front. It's a really good thing you aren't in charge of anything in this war.
Shells supplied by the Netherlands for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
On one of them the inscription - "revenge for MH17".
I don’t understand how the shells delivered to the Ukrainians will avenge the Boeing shot down by the Ukrainians. Do they explode in the barrel?
No, these shells are NOT provided by the Netherlands!
1. It is an Soviet/Russian round, NATO rounds are have standarised colouring. (For artillery HE it is olive green with yellow lettering/ring indicating it has a HE filling. For example, an APFSDS is black with white lettering indicating no explosive filler in the projectile)
2. It was on ''paxen be like - instagram'' telling in Dutch that is was possible to pay a guy in Ukraine 8 dollar through pay pall and he wrote down whatever you wanted on an artillery shell.
It is an interesting way to supplement your monthly paycheck I have to say ..
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Nebeznya carrying out some expert-level trolling at the UN
Ukrainian Nazism beyond schizophrenia: Nebenzya came to the UN Security Council with a Ukrainian textbook: The Ministry of Education of Ukraine is engaged in total rewriting of history. I took the 8th grade geography textbook. According to him, the ancestors of the French, Spaniards, Turks and even Jews came from Ukraine. I want to turn to my French colleague: Nicolas, did you know that you are actually Ukrainian? If you don't believe me, read the textbook. It has an iron logic: since the ancestors of the French are Gauls, they came from Galicia in Ukraine. Do you know that, according to the author of the textbook, Ukrainians and Poles are of Slavic origin, and Russians are Finno-Ugric? The Belarusians were also denied Slavdom, they were attributed to the Baltic peoples. The textbook of the history of Ukraine for the 7th grade says that "the formation of the Ukrainian people has 140 thousand years." The 9th grade history textbook states that “by the end of the 19th century, Ukrainians were one of the largest peoples in Europe.” The author of the book "Ukrainian Nation" is generally convinced that "the population of Eastern Europe entered the 1st millennium of a new era under the name of Ukrainians."
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The unmemorable US vassal Scholz now has to take insults from the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, the Ukraine being Washington's new favorite in Europe
Scholz told German media that he was not offended by the fact that the Ukrainian ambassador called him "liver sausage". Whether this is an official proposal to call it that way for everyone and always, Liver Sausage did not specify. https://t.me/belvestnik/24611
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Pope Francis, who met with Azov servicemen's wives UN Secretary-General Guterres, who invited the Red Cross US Defense Secretary Austin, who suddenly demanded a ceasefire Turkish President Erdogan, who offered to evacuate the heavily wounded from Azovstal' French President Macron, whose phone calls to the Kremlin stopped being answered
Yet none of them could save the doomed garrison of Mariupol
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flamming_python wrote:Pope Francis, who met with Azov servicemen's wives UN Secretary-General Guterres, who invited the Red Cross US Defense Secretary Austin, who suddenly demanded a ceasefire Turkish President Erdogan, who offered to evacuate the heavily wounded from Azovstal' French President Macron, whose phone calls to the Kremlin stopped being answered
Yet none of them could save the doomed garrison of Mariupol
Polish shitstream was busy telling fairytales of "60 civilians that need evacuation and Orcs don't allow it" yesterday.