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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon May 23, 2022 5:36 am

    Ukraine doesn't block gas supplies- the RF cut them off only after her $ were frozen in the West & for non-payment.
    The Ukraine has currently blocked the gas coming through the Donbass region.
    exactly when did they cut it off? if so, no surprize, they r losing there.
    From posted pics, it looks like Mi-24/35s r used as convoy escorts, not for ground attack;
    To protect convoys they would need to be able to attack ground targets...
    true, but not while targeting main Ukr. forces in the direction the Russian army is trying to advance.
    in this air show, Ka-52 is the star now.
    Western BS, Ka-52 is a helicopter doing its job, just like their other helicopters.
    most of the pro-Russian made vids & Ukr. vids with downed helos I saw show Ka-52s.
    not a war, but ideally it should be called local limited preventive war.
    Preemptive self defence.
    Ironicly,the Germans too claimed that they had to attack the USSR in 1941 before it attacked them (& righty so, since Stalin wanted to export Communist revolution to W.Europe defeated by Hitler); now Putin & his media assert that Ukraine was getting ready to attack L/DNR & later Crimea to retake them, so this operation came in the nick of time. In any case, as I said many times before, it's Russian nationalism vs. Western supported Ukr. nationalism, so it doesn't really matter who is the current real aggressor. The anti-Russia Ukrainians can't handle their freedom & can't create a viable state, having to prostitute themselves to the EU & NATO in the hope to divorse the Mother Russia for good. The same with Poland. Speaking of which, Zelensky announced the introduction in the Verkhovna Rada of a bill on the special legal status of Polish citizens in Ukraine; Earlier, Duda said that there will be virtually no border between Poland and Ukraine. According to him, the joint strength of Ukraine and Poland will allow to reflect any danger or any possible threat. So the plan is, if all else fails, to absorb/confedarate W. Ukraine into/with Poland & then at least that part will join the EU. Then "the wolves r full, & the sheep r whole".
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    Post  mnztr Mon May 23, 2022 6:16 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Not this again

    If they do this fast it will mean insufficient number of Ukrops killed

    You are suggesting winning the war and losing the peace (and ensuing insurgency)

    Go slow, kill them all and Odessa will be reached in due time

    This war can only have two outcomes: Russia on Polish border or Russia ceasing to exist, no middle ground anymore

    So best to do it right




    If the former then we are all dead meat. I don't see Russia going down without at least using tactical nukes first.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon May 23, 2022 6:28 am

    Just for laughs:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/syrias-barrel-bomb-experts-in-russia-to-help-with-potential-ukraine-campaign

    This has to be one of the dumbest articles I've read to date.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon May 23, 2022 7:44 am

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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 23, 2022 7:54 am

    thegopnik wrote:So, are they the same patriots the Saudis used against Iranian drones?

    Nope, the older ones.
    Laughing

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon May 23, 2022 8:12 am

    British ambassador in Ukraine:
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    Remarkable own goal. Photo's from an event in March, 2010 (!), 12 years ago.

    The pro-Russian movement in Crimea (which was allegedly non-existent back then, I've been told) were celebrating the fall of the "Orange" government (you know, that one prior western-led coup) by demonstratively burning pro-Bandera books they had issued to schools and universities.

    https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/events/1056599-v-simferopole-otprazdnovali-padenie-oranzhevoj-vlasti

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    Post  mnztr Mon May 23, 2022 8:20 am

    Ispan wrote:
    Narrative of the past 48 hours, not much happening, possibly because of censorship, consolidation, regrouping, moving up artillery and ammunition, but combats go on and the Severodonetsk pocket is taking form

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/22/noticias-de-la-guerra-22-05-2022/

    Also a short entry on artillery and Western weapons for Ukraine, food for thought

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/22/armas-occidentales-para-ucrania-artilleria-mejorada/

    I would say its bullshit that half the artillery rounds fired by the west are guided. No way. Each excalibur round costs $100K. How often do you really need such accuracy? THey are only accurate to 10m. vs 25m for a $2000 round. So fire 5 just to be sure.

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    Post  Regular Mon May 23, 2022 8:30 am

    Even with PGK guidance kits those numbers are way too much.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 23, 2022 9:17 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Just for laughs:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/syrias-barrel-bomb-experts-in-russia-to-help-with-potential-ukraine-campaign

    This has to be one of the dumbest articles I've read to date.

    That is because you are considering it from the wrong perspective.
    A lot of efforts were placed to create a "barrel bomb" hashtag.
    All the white and fluffy audience is already treated with the medicine and knows how to express rage about this bestiality.
    Why not use it?
    Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hinex1988 Mon May 23, 2022 10:02 am

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision, long-range sea-based missiles near Malin railway station in Zhitomir Region have destroyed weapons and military equipment of the Ukrainian armed forces' 10th Mountain Assault Brigade from Ivano-Frankovsk that had been transferred to Donbass.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have hit 4 command posts, 1 communication centre of the North Task Force near Bakhmut in the Donetsk People's Republic, 48 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 6 ammunition depots near Soledar, Sol', Bakhmut, Berestovoe, Zakotoe and Nyrkovo in the Lugansk People's Republic, during the day.

    ▫1 Ukrainian Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system has been also destroyed near Bakhmut in the Donetsk People's Republic.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 39 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration and destroyed 1 ammunition depot near Krasnyi Liman in the Lugansk People's Republic.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 230 nationalists and up to 33 armoured and motor vehicles.

    💥Russian air defence means shot down 3 Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force overnight, including 2 near Kiselevka, Kherson Region, and 1 over Pavlograd, Kharkov Region.

    ▫Also, 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Chervonyi Yar, Chernobaevka, Mirnoe, Aleksandrovka in Kherson Region, Yunokommunarovsk in the Donetsk People's Republic, Hotomlya, Sinichino, Petrovskoe, Terny in Kharkov Region, including 1 Bayraktar TB-2 near Lozovaya in Kharkov Region.

    ▫In addition, 2 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles over Tomina Balka, Kherson Region, and 8 Ukrainian Smerch multiple-launch rockets over Izyum, Topolskoe, Semenovka and Bikino, Kharkov Region have been intercepted.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 73 command posts, 578 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 37 artillery and mortar units at firing positions.

    ▫13 tanks and armoured infantry fighting vehicles, 5Grad multiple rocket launchers and 3 ammunition depots have been destroyed.

    📊In total, 177 Ukrainian aircraft and 125 helicopters, 990 unmanned aerial vehicles, 319 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,226 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 421 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,643 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,106 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
    @mod_russia_en

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    Post  flamming_python Mon May 23, 2022 10:33 am

    3 fucking Su-25s?

    Where do they keep getting these kamikaze pilots from?
    I'm finding this hard to believe
    And it's not like they can hastily train new pilots in weeks or something, the Su-25 is a complicated machine - anything that flies is, but especially military aircraft and jet aircraft.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 23, 2022 10:48 am

    flamming_python wrote:3 fucking Su-25s?

    Where do they keep getting these kamikaze pilots from?
    I'm finding this hard to believe
    And it's not like they can hastily train new pilots in weeks or something, the Su-25 is a complicated machine - anything that flies is, but especially military aircraft and jet aircraft.

    Some are mercs, some are cadets.
    They used to train foreign pilots, so they had a working military-grade aviation education.
    I guess there are dozens of young folks in schools knowing how to start with a plane. Considering the situation, landing skill is not required ...

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon May 23, 2022 10:53 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:One of the few types of missiles that has not yet been used in a special military operation is the 9M370 Burevestnik..

    It will not be used, of course, because it is a nuclear-powered and nuclear-armed missile.
    All 7 weapons systems that Putin first mentioned in March 2018 have already entered operational use or will enter soon. In use ; Avangard hypersonic maneuverable nuclear warhead, H47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic air-launched missile, S-500 "Prometheus", laser weapon "Peresvet". The "Poseidon" nuclear torpedo will soon join them this year, when the submarine K-329 "Belgorod" will be handed over on the Day of the Russian Navy. As for the RS-28 "Sarmat", everything is clear and that heavy ICBM missile is sure to enter operational use. The only weapon that Putin did not mention at the time was the 3M22 "Zircon", which is also close to operational status. Only "Burevestnik" remains ..

    So, all that remains is for "Burevestnik" to hit Ukraine. Just kidding...


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    Gotta say I'm growing suspicious of the people who call for Russia to nuke the Ukraine, to commit war-crimes by executing prisoners, and all those kind of things.

    Just whose side are you all on? Suspect

    I hate your liberal thinking....I just hate it.
    I don't give a **** about you liberal wiews .Do you understand me now ? About 50 percent of those Ukrainian maggots population hate Russia more than anything, for more than a century, so I dont share your opinion about "brother" love between Russia and "Ukraine".  If Ukraine had nuclear weapons thay would use them against Russia.  Russia should use whatever is necessary to destroy that Nazi shithole "Ukraine". I dont "call" for Russia to nuke Ukraine but if some of NATO vasals enters in Ukraine - nuke everything and burn it to the ground. That's what NATO wants for your country, you liberal boy..


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    Post  diabetus Mon May 23, 2022 11:05 am

    flamming_python wrote:3 fucking Su-25s?

    Where do they keep getting these kamikaze pilots from?
    I'm finding this hard to believe
    And it's not like they can hastily train new pilots in weeks or something, the Su-25 is a complicated machine - anything that flies is, but especially military aircraft and jet aircraft.

    Ukraine is getting large amounts of spare parts from foreign countries too in order to bring mothballed aircraft back into service, which explains why mig-29s keep appearing.

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 23, 2022 11:12 am

    exactly when did they cut it off? if so, no surprize, they r losing there.

    If you were following this thread you would know... do they not have windows at the troll farm you live on?

    true, but not while targeting main Ukr. forces in the direction the Russian army is trying to advance.

    What main Ukr forces? When they "counter attack" they get demolished by artillery and air power and part of that air power will be CAS aircraft and helicopters.

    most of the pro-Russian made vids & Ukr. vids with downed helos I saw show Ka-52s.

    All the vids I have seen from both sides show the same single Ka-52 that was forced landed in a field... the main rotors are still attached and the crew canopy doors are still present... and open... which proves it was a controlled landing that did not involve the crew needing to eject... which would result in the main rotors being ejected and the canopy being shattered as the seats burst through it.

    Ironicly,the Germans too claimed that they had to attack the USSR in 1941 before it attacked them

    Yeah, but Hitler was lying... his plans for living space in the east were in his book and pretty clear for all to see...

    now Putin & his media assert that Ukraine was getting ready to attack L/DNR & later Crimea to retake them, so this operation came in the nick of time.

    Captured documents seem to support that they were right, and you have to ask why they had their brightest and best trained forces on a front line half embedded into a region they had agreed to negotiate a peace with at Minsk...

    In any case, as I said many times before, it's Russian nationalism vs. Western supported Ukr. nationalism, so it doesn't really matter who is the current real aggressor.

    Yeah a child murderer will claim he was roughly handled during his arrest so both sides have some blame... lets call it even perhaps?

    No.

    The US is the instigator of this situation from the start, they removed all ukrainians from positions of power across the country and pushed an anti Russia agenda leading to the point where people were trapped in a burning building... those who tried to escape were shot and those that remained inside burned to death and there was no international outcry because the victims were pro Russian.

    This war is about getting justice for these people and a whole lot more other victims we may never hear about because the western media are not interested in the crimes of their vassals.

    The anti-Russia Ukrainians can't handle their freedom & can't create a viable state, having to prostitute themselves to the EU & NATO in the hope to divorse the Mother Russia for good.

    What they did to their fellow Ukrainians makes me not really care about them at all... take a declared victim and put them in charge and see what animals they can be... it happened to the Jews and it was a tool used by Colonial Europe to control their colonies around the world... take a downtrodden group in a foriegn country and put them in charge... they will be brutal because they have been wanting revenge, but they owe their position of power to the western country that put them in charge so they will do as they are told, because their greatest fear would be to go back to being the underdog in society because they know there will be no escape next time.

    Probably the reason the US is raising the stakes because the alternative is to go through a decline like the UK and France and Spain et al... but with no new super power to ride the coat tails of like they do.

    According to him, the joint strength of Ukraine and Poland will allow to reflect any danger or any possible threat. So the plan is, if all else fails, to absorb/confedarate W. Ukraine into/with Poland & then at least that part will join the EU. Then "the wolves r full, & the sheep r whole".

    Except you got it the wrong way round... W Ukraine and Poland are not the wolves, and Russia and Putin are very very hungry.

    Claims the Orcs will fight... they put up with Nazi rule pretty easy... let these foreign Ukrainians leave and move to Poland instead of moving borders in Europe which are sacred according to the EU and HATO... except in Kosovo where they are not.

    This has to be one of the dumbest articles I've read to date.

    You just have to read as far as .com and you know it is shit.

    I would say its bullshit that half the artillery rounds fired by the west are guided. No way. Each excalibur round costs $100K. How often do you really need such accuracy? THey are only accurate to 10m. vs 25m for a $2000 round. So fire 5 just to be sure.

    Equally importantly the target might be an area target which means a single precision hit might not be enough... multiple hits might be needed to get the job done.

    The point is that guided rounds will suit the Ukraine because if they try to form up a battery of guns to fire at one target they will be spotted and taken out.

    Their tactics rely on individual vehicles firing a few rounds and then moving away before enemy fire can arrive... note the video above of that Vasilek mortar... now lets put this in perspective.... that 82mm mortar has a range of maybe 4km and the shallow angle it fired at those rounds would have travelled a very low trajectory that would be difficult to detect and track very easily... the video is 2 minutes long so they set up and fired a few shots and enemy counter battery fire was arriving within 2 minutes of when they opened fire. The M777 has good range, but it is not quick to set up or take down... once it has fired one shot they will have less than 2 minutes to move... no wonder these things get captured...

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 23, 2022 11:19 am

    Where do they keep getting these kamikaze pilots from?
    I'm finding this hard to believe
    And it's not like they can hastily train new pilots in weeks or something, the Su-25 is a complicated machine - anything that flies is, but especially military aircraft and jet aircraft.

    We have your family... you will fly or we will shoot you and your family. If you fly we let your family go.

    Pretty simple.

    It is actually good because counting them as air kills is more impressive than destroyed on an airfield or on the ground.

    When you kill them in the air they have a pilot and fuel and probably ammo they likely don't have a lot to spare of.

    I dont "call" for Russia to nuke Ukraine but if some of NATO vasals enters in Ukraine - nuke everything and burn it to the ground.

    If HATO gets involved directly then it becomes a different war where nukes are a necessary tool to prevent all out war... but it comes down to the US... it is their choice how many Orcs die... and how many Poles and Europeans... what a scary thought... cause they don't care about their own people let alone foreigners...  Shocked

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8791-russian-special-military-operation-in-ukraine-17

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