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    Post  Kiko Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:13 pm

    If without NATO, then it’s possible: Europeans are being prepared for war with Russia, by Petr Akopov for RiaNovosti. 04.25.2024.

    The American propaganda aimed at Europe is dominated by a key thesis: the fight with Russia for Ukraine is of vital importance for the entire West - and the United States, together with Europe in the NATO format, must do everything for Kyiv’s victory in order to stop Putin, otherwise after Ukraine he will will attack Europe. This idea is repeated in Washington by politicians and the military, and when Europe begins to get nervous about a possible change in American strategy if Donald Trump returns to the White House, it is reassured by the fact that even in this case no catastrophe will happen: the inertia of American foreign policy is too great, Yes, no one will allow the new president to suddenly change course.

    Europe doesn’t really believe in this, but for now it remains in the ranks of Atlantic solidarity - and what is even more interesting is what some American analysts are already beginning to offer it:

    "Too many politicians and commentators in the US and Europe are repeating Putin's own talking points, warning that any outside intervention in Ukraine would lead to a third world war. In reality, sending European troops would be the normal response to a conflict of this kind."

    "Russia's conflict has upset the regional balance of power, and Europe has a vital interest in seeing that imbalance corrected. The obvious way to do this is to provide a lifeline to the Ukrainian military, which could once again be abandoned to its fate by the United States, and the best lifeline would be European soldiers."

    "European leaders do not need to follow the dictates of an increasingly unreliable United States on how to fight in Ukraine; they can and should decide for themselves how best to ensure the freedom and security of the continent."

    This is a quote from a huge text, “Europe, but not NATO, should send troops to Ukraine,” published this week in The Foreign Affairs. Three of its authors are not senior US officials, but are influential in the expert community, working in various think tanks dealing with strategic issues: retired Colonel Alex Crowther, active-duty US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jahara Matysek and Phillips O'Brien of the University of St. Andrews. What they are proposing cannot but be called a direct provocation: they are trying in every possible way to convince Europe that it needs, without looking back at the United States, to take part in the hostilities in Ukraine.

    Yes, forget about NATO and the USA (“European leaders cannot allow American political dysfunction to dictate European security”), act on your own, send troops to Ukraine as soon as possible and don’t be afraid of anything - Putin is just bluffing!

    "European troops could take part in both non-combat and combat operations to relieve pressure on Ukraine. A non-combat mission would be the easiest to sell in most European capitals. European troops could relieve the burden on the Ukrainians by performing logistical functions such as maintenance and repairs combat vehicles."

    But a “non-combat mission” is only the beginning, something that is actually “easier to sell” to Europeans (although this is a lie: even now polls show a negative attitude towards it in most EU countries ) - it will be followed by a full-fledged involvement in the war:

    "One such mission could involve strengthening Ukraine's air defense capabilities in the region by deploying personnel, providing equipment, or even taking over command and control of the Ukrainian air defense system."

    "Sending European troops would be a normal response to a conflict of this kind. Another combat role, which, like the air defense mission, would most likely not involve Russian forces, is to patrol those sections of the Ukrainian border where Russian troops are not stationed, such as Black Sea coast , borders with Belarus and Transnistria."

    "One potential Russian target is Odessa , Ukraine's main port through which most of the country's exports are processed. If Russian troops approach the city, European forces nearby would have the right to defend themselves by opening fire on the advancing soldiers."

    Of course, to justify this, you need to scare the Europeans as much as possible - and the article contains many statements about the Russian threat to Europe:

    “There is no reason to expect Putin to stop at Ukraine; he has already said that all former Soviet republics should be returned to Russia. The Baltic states could be next , followed by Finland and Poland , which were principalities within the pre-Soviet Russian Empire.”

    There is no need to clarify that all this is an outright lie, but The Foreign Affairs is not a yellow press, but one of the most influential American publications, the authors teach at American military universities and advise the authorities in Washington. Yes, in this case, their goal is to convince European leaders of the need for Europe’s direct participation in the war with Russia, but there is no doubt that they themselves believe in what they say, that is, we are dealing with a completely inadequate perception of reality. The globalist, Atlantic part of the American elite believes that Russia and Putin are going to conquer part of Europe, take it away from America , and since the United States itself is entering a period of internal political turbulence, they are calling on Europe to take responsibility and fight Putin on the territory of Ukraine. Because “Ukraine is Europe”:

    "Russia's hopes for victory are entirely due to the fact that Europe views Ukraine as separate from the rest of the continent. So far, its hopes have been justified. European leaders are tolerating a conflict in Ukraine that would provoke a unified European response if it happened in any country NATO or the EU. This attitude allowed Russia to start a military conflict in Ukraine, since it is confident that the rest of Europe will keep its distance."

    "The arrival of European troops in Ukraine will change this calculus. Moscow will have to come to terms with the fact that European escalation could make the military confrontation unwinnable for Russia."

    That is, Europe should enter into a direct military conflict with Russia for the sake of control over Ukraine and at the same time ignore the threat of the war escalating into a nuclear one? Well, of course! But what about the fact that this thesis contradicts the previous one, that is, Russia’s plans to seize part of Europe? But there’s no way - when necessary, we scare Russia, and when it’s convenient, we call its bluff:

    "The real question is whether Russia would actually use nuclear weapons if European troops entered Ukraine. This is perhaps a moot point, given that Western special operations forces are currently operating in Ukraine."

    “Moscow regularly engages in aggressive rhetoric against NATO members, but so far it has been all bark and no bite, avoiding contact with NATO forces and focusing on neighboring countries outside the alliance, such as Georgia and Ukraine, which it can safely kick.”

    “Putin threatened to attack Poland, Romania and the Baltic states as early as 2014, and over the next few years he threatened to invade Finland and Sweden for joining NATO, Norway for hosting more US troops, Poland and Romania for deployment of missile defense facilities and in “any European countries” that will allow the deployment of American missiles on their territory.”

    "Over the past decade and a half, the Kremlin has threatened or conducted war games simulating the use of nuclear weapons against Denmark , Poland, Sweden, Ukraine, the United Kingdom , the Baltic states, the European Union as a whole, and, of course, NATO and the United States."

    "At a certain point, European leaders must ignore Putin's saber rattling, which is just propaganda based on the baseless notion that NATO wants to attack or invade Russia."

    That is, the advice is simple: Europe needs to ignore Putin’s warnings, because he has long threatened to attack NATO countries (it doesn’t matter that we made it all up), but never decided to do so. So go ahead, send troops to Ukraine (which is not Russia, but Europe, don’t forget about it) - there will be no nuclear war!

    All this analytical madness is decorated with this delightful thesis:
    “Moreover, a European-led response would undermine Russian propaganda that NATO intervention in Ukraine is merely an American ploy to undermine Russia.”

    "The claim that NATO is the aggressor is popular in many parts of the world. And since European forces will be operating outside NATO and on NATO territory, any casualties will not trigger an Article 5 response and will not attract the US. Russia's adversary will not be NATO, but a coalition of European countries seeking to balance naked Russian imperialism."

    Well, of course, if not NATO, but the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance, are officially participating in the war, this is not a war between Russia and NATO, but a war with individual countries of the European Union! There’s no need to comment on anything here, except perhaps to remind you that in another, yet another fictitious reality, Europeans are frightened by the fact that NATO could collapse if it does not respond to the challenge thrown at it by Moscow in Ukraine (after all, we must not forget that then Moscow will attack Baltic states !).

    All these intricacies of an excited mind would be funny if they were not playing with real fire and a real war that is going on on the territory of the Russian world and with the lives of its inhabitants in Ukraine. However, European leaders, having read the advice of The Foreign Affairs, will see in them not a guide to action, but a confirmation of their worst fears: the overseas Atlanticists have finally reached a dead end and want to force a way out of it with the heads of their junior European partners.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:43 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid026zR1eGj5kVkT6gDYAEGpWeHmmGi2vjxcVQAK5PhrtNJsPsiw9V2CWCPayVfBcy8Yl

    As the "moving houses" (testudo tanks) are showing impressive results, Russian soldiers are making more of this, mostly performed by local units.

    Probably one company should have 1-2 "moving houses".

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:02 pm

    Murphy's Law No 1 :
    If something is stupid, but works - it is not stupid.
    Laughing

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:14 pm

     imbalance corrected. 
    Currently Russia is correcting the imbalance.

    to ensure the freedom and security of the continent.
    Orwell comes to mind.

    by performing logistical functions such as maintenance and repairs combat vehicles."
    Units which are hit constantly by Russian long-range weapons and glide bombs.

     air defense capabilities in the region by deploying personnel, providing equipment,
    For that you need equipment first.

    where Russian troops are not stationed, such as Black Sea coast , borders with Belarus and Transnistria."
    Try it.  Twisted Evil

    European forces nearby would have the right to defend themselves
    But the Russians didn´t have that right.  Rolling Eyes

    The Baltic states could be next , followed by Finland and Poland , which were principalities within the pre-Soviet Russian Empire.”
    Looking at the growth rates of the west v. the rest this would be the most reasonable decision for those people.  Wink

    European leaders are tolerating a conflict in Ukraine that would provoke a unified European response 
    That all NATO/EU countries are delivering weapons and financial aid isn´t a unified response?  scratch

    allowed Russia to start a military conflict in Ukraine,
    Obama/Biden/Nuland started the war. With the blessing of EU politicians.

    come to terms with the fact that European escalation could make the military confrontation unwinnable for Russia
    lol1

    Russia would actually use nuclear weapons if European troops entered Ukraine.
    Why should Russia use nukes? It can rip them apart with conventional weapons.

    given that Western special operations forces are currently operating in Ukraine."
    But NATO is not at war with Russia, kids!  Rolling Eyes

    but so far it has been all bark and no bite
    Tell that all those dead NATO soldiers/mercs that are littering the landscape in Banderaland.

    the baseless notion that NATO wants to attack or invade Russia.
    Baseless, meanwhile NATO forces are fighting in Banderaland and hundreds of Billions in weapons were delivered.

    The claim that NATO is the aggressor is popular in many parts of the world.
    Because it is true.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:05 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Murphy's Law No 1 :
    If something is stupid, but works - it is not stupid.
    Laughing

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214914720303949


    Water bags are cheap and flexible against blast .

    Rolling Eyes

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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:48 pm

    THe house structure does a few things, 1 increase distance from explosion to main armour and 2 impossible to target weak spots on the tank I wonder if a giant piece of sculpted rigid foam can also accomplish the same thing. It can be soft enough and disposable, easily fixable and replaceable. It can have a thin layer of plastic for integrity and a layer of water soaked foam to cool the shaped charge. It can also make tanks look like APCs and low value targets. Like a truck.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:54 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid026zR1eGj5kVkT6gDYAEGpWeHmmGi2vjxcVQAK5PhrtNJsPsiw9V2CWCPayVfBcy8Yl

    As the "moving houses" (testudo tanks) are showing impressive results, Russian soldiers are making more of this, mostly performed by local units.

    Probably one company should have 1-2 "moving houses".


    Niew Russian social program - A Home for every tank. Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:01 pm

    Just started to wonder, if those things can be prefabricated on industrial scale, and just assembled on pre-prepared vehicles in field workshops.
    Like a common slots.
    If damaged - just take it away for repair, and add a new one ...
    And the answer is yes Laughing

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:54 pm

    crod wrote:Under EU law (article 19 from memory but it’s been a pretty few years…..), there can be no mass deportation to any country. Furthermore, those from the Ukraine seeking refuge from the conflict under the TPD agreement, until March 2025, all those seeking refuge from within the EU zone will be afforded protection status.
    Poland cannot act outside of the TPD without facing sanction and legal repercussions.
    Whether the TPD is continued beyond this date (and I have it on good sources from ex colleagues within Brussels, that it will be) is a matter of conjecture….of course it may or may not be all wrapped up by then.


    I was not aware of that you are so wholeheartedly supporter of the Ukrainians.


    Returning military age males to Ukraine makes perfect sense, I am sure that the agreement can be adjusted to allow this to happen.

    While Ukraine is so eager to involve foreign troops in the fighting on its side, it is somehow very unwilling to make use of its own young adult males for the same purpose, a behavior that is preposterous. No sane government or people should support such behavior.

    Also, I am not sure if the agreement you wrote about has been ratified by the Poland's parliament, if it was not ratified then it has no legal power to be enforced.


    Poles do not want to fight for their own genociders.



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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:29 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:TLDR: What is included in the new aid package for Ukraine?

    well not that much really, and once the Oligarchs and politicians in Biden's regime get their cuts its even less. For instance, here is what may or may not be the new wonderwaffle tanks Ukraine is being sent:

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:06 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The brainwashing goes deep


    Precisely why Ruskies need to take their time with this and be very thorough

    These little shits will soon be old enough to be sent to the frontlines, it's imperative that war is still on at that point so they could be disposed of properly (unlike the last time)


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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:19 pm

    Niew Russian social program - A Home for every tank.
    Additional child care program bears fruit:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56 017110
    Female tank with her child on a evening walk.
    lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:25 pm

    This maternity capital syndrome bings them all just horny mad ...
    Laughing

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:21 pm





    Hungary Will Not Supply Armaments to Ukraine, Will Not Permit Transit of Armaments to Ukraine on Its Territory.


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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:58 pm

    Did I read this right on the previous page ? ppl were questioning if Russia would open fire on Nato troops ? In Ukraine? Of course they would and already have. They have since the very start. Remember that training ground close to the Polish border ? It was run by Nato. And they shot the place up

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:29 am

    Hole wrote:
    Niew Russian social program - A Home for every tank.
    Additional child care program bears fruit:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56 017110
    Female tank with her child on a evening walk.
    lol1 lol1 lol1

    Lies, Oryx, osterich with his head in the sand, Belching cat, the CIA and the Ukrainians say Russia has lost somewhere between 15 thousand and 150 thousand tanks this month alone, those are obviously AI generated.  What's next? You gonna say Ukraine isn't a glorious democracy with the best troops in the world? Guys so good that after the war ends they'll be fry boys at McDonalds?


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:59 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:Guys so good that after the war ends they'll be fry boys at McDonalds?

    unless Solntsepeks wont fry them first

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    Post  crod Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:56 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:

    I was not aware of that you are so wholeheartedly supporter of the Ukrainians.


    Returning military age males to Ukraine makes perfect sense, I am sure that the agreement can be adjusted to allow this to happen.

    While Ukraine is so eager to involve foreign troops in the fighting on its side, it is somehow very unwilling to make use of its own young adult males for the same purpose, a behavior that is preposterous. No sane government or people should support such behavior.

    Also, I am not sure if the agreement you wrote about has been ratified by the Poland's parliament, if it was not ratified then it has no legal power to be enforced.

    Firstly, stating current EU law means that I am "wholeheartedly supporter of the Ukrainians" ? Are you a child?
    Second, take some time to understand how the EU laws and mechanisms work - you might learn something.
    Lastly, 'Whether the TPD is continued beyond this date (and I have it on good sources from ex colleagues within Brussels, that it will be) is a matter of conjecture' do you understand what is meant here?

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:49 am

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    Ukrainian UAVs that has just been captured by Russian forces.

    The Ukrainians made these UAVs based on light-weight civillian aircrafts that are originally used for agriculture, tourism, or training amateur pilots.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:13 am




    There are limitations to defence . A point where offensive tactics are more efficient .

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:17 am

    A lot of talk with dumb accents, assisted by pictures gathered from all the places, including testings in the 90s.
    Showing perfectly nothing other than some starts.
    Ending with a picture proved to be 2023.
    Just out of my curiosity, what point do you want to address?

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    Ukrainian UAVs that has just been captured by Russian forces.

    The Ukrainians made these UAVs based on light-weight civillian aircrafts that are originally used for agriculture, tourism, or training amateur pilots.

    This thing was being used for some deep penetrations already.
    It is very slow so passes the automated AD systems, and is a civilian plane first of all. So everyone bothers to take it down, even if observed. Helicopters are usually weapons of choice to take t down. Multiple cams from Mi-28 are available how those are being intercepted.

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    Post  starman Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:57 am

    Kirill Fedorov? (Above.)
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    Post  PhSt Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:20 am

    nomadski wrote:


    There are limitations to defence . A point where offensive tactics are more efficient .



    Next time Russia destroys another Patriot system, it should be recorded on camera for propaganda value, if not, NATO PIG Liars will just deny it happened.

    On Russia's side, who is recording these strikes? why release such footage that only contribute to NATO propaganda? If the recordings are made by "civilians", they should be thoroughly checked to make sure they are not working as NATO informant/ propagandists. attack

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