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    Post  Scorpius Sun May 15, 2022 5:16 am

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:We gave the north to the east to make it better in the east. But it moves very slowly and it even goes back in some places. Nothing happens towards Odessa.

    To give up the north thinks a serious mistake. Now nothing happens on the Odessa Front and it doesn't go better in the east.

    When is there any significant progress?
    What will be a significant progress for you?
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun May 15, 2022 5:27 am

    Scorpius wrote:
    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:We gave the north to the east to make it better in the east. But it moves very slowly and it even goes back in some places. Nothing happens towards Odessa.

    To give up the north thinks a serious mistake. Now nothing happens on the Odessa Front and it doesn't go better in the east.

    When is there any significant progress?
    What will be a significant progress for you?

    The formation of Keselln and their destruction. That is what weakens big armies and keeps your own losses low.

    6 weeks ago, cutting from north to the south would have been my plan and thus prevent everything from the west.

    What is the plan now? I don't see any, about you? And please, don't come with careful procedure and Bla Bla.

    Deep blows ? air strikes? Do you only see a fully packed MIG-31BM?

    Anyone who plays with the handbrake attracted loses this operation!
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    Post  caveat emptor Sun May 15, 2022 5:42 am

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:
    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:We gave the north to the east to make it better in the east. But it moves very slowly and it even goes back in some places. Nothing happens towards Odessa.

    To give up the north thinks a serious mistake. Now nothing happens on the Odessa Front and it doesn't go better in the east.

    When is there any significant progress?
    What will be a significant progress for you?

    The formation of Keselln and their destruction. That is what weakens big armies and keeps your own losses low.

    6 weeks ago, cutting from north to the south would have been my plan and thus prevent everything from the west.

    What is the plan now? I don't see any, about you? And please, don't come with careful procedure and Bla Bla.

    Deep blows ? air strikes? Do you only see a fully packed MIG-31BM?

    Anyone who plays with the handbrake attracted loses this operation!
    They didn't have nearly enough troops to cut Ukraine from south to north. Probably, in the hundreds of thousands. Ukraine is huge geographically, and their army has a lot of man. That proposition would be very risky and hard to do.

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    Post  Regular Sun May 15, 2022 5:42 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/uvznews/2068

    Uralvagonzavod has put this bad boy into service,  what say all of you ?

    30 mm module unmanned, day/night channel, and 30mm GL for escorting logistics

    На видео – управляемый боевой модуль БМ30-В  «Спица».  АО ЦНИИ «Буревестник» #КонцернУВЗ производит его  уже серийно!

    Предназначен для установки на бронированные машины сопровождения и охраны специальных грузов.  

    Необитаемый модуль башенного типа с круговым вращением оснащен 30-мм автоматической пушкой и 30-мм гранатометом, имеет прицел с дневным и ночным каналами. Обзор поля боя и управление модулем экипаж осуществляет дистанционно, с автоматизированных рабочих мест.




    This modular turret is amazing and it needs to go on BMP-1/BMP-2/BTR-80/82A.

    Fully digital, multi-axis stabilized, would be great to fit actual thermal optics as well, much better than the BPPU-1 turret with the 2A72 30mm, not as bulky as BTR-BM one too.

    Would love to see ATGM mounted on it.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun May 15, 2022 5:55 am

    Regular wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/uvznews/2068

    Uralvagonzavod has put this bad boy into service,  what say all of you ?

    30 mm module unmanned, day/night channel, and 30mm GL for escorting logistics

    На видео – управляемый боевой модуль БМ30-В  «Спица».  АО ЦНИИ «Буревестник» #КонцернУВЗ производит его  уже серийно!

    Предназначен для установки на бронированные машины сопровождения и охраны специальных грузов.  

    Необитаемый модуль башенного типа с круговым вращением оснащен 30-мм автоматической пушкой и 30-мм гранатометом, имеет прицел с дневным и ночным каналами. Обзор поля боя и управление модулем экипаж осуществляет дистанционно, с автоматизированных рабочих мест.




    This modular turret is amazing and it needs to go on BMP-1/BMP-2/BTR-80/82A.

    Fully digital, multi-axis stabilized, would be great to fit actual thermal optics as well, much better than the BPPU-1 turret with the 2A72 30mm, not as bulky as BTR-BM one too.

    Would love to see ATGM mounted on it.

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    The new turret bm30 Spitsa is awesome

    Idk if it's made for bmp and btr , the burevestnik car is being loaded with it

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    Post  diabetus Sun May 15, 2022 6:20 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:@diabetius u stated "That's nonsense. An AK is better at every conceivable role save for sniping. An AK firing semi auto with iron sights is far more effective at defending buildings at realistic ranges than a mosin with irons is."

    Clearly you have zero military experience and majority of your comments are BS hence I have u on ignore enough said.

    @regular you stated "
    It's evident they won't be doing armed school cop duty and will be part of an offensive on an ever-changing battlefield. SVD is superior to any bolt action there is in ANY ROLE, even in sniping"

    Yet again its clear u have no military experience or weapons intelligence. SVD is a marksman/battlefield rifle it isn't superior at anything other than that role. It's certainly not superior to sniping as you claim it cannot match the accuracy of a bolt action sniper rifle and it cannot match the range and accuracy of a 12.7mm sniper rifle. I actually fired a Dragunov in Ukraine back in 2014 (happy to show you the pic) on the same day also a mosin nagant carbine. Ask yourself if the SVD is superior to any other weapon in any role as u state then every Russian would be armed with one and nobody would be armed with assault rifles and sniper rifles, LMG, etc. Your comment was pretty dumb to be honest. Every weapon has it's purpose and it's advantages and disadvantages.

    Sigh. You need to learn how to read. A mosin (or SVD) is not better at any role than an AK is with iron sights. You can't see far enough to make a use of the ballistics of the full sized 7.62 round. I've served and continue to serve in an army for almost a decade, if you really think a mosin is a superior infantry rifle (not a sniper rifle with optics, and it probably is inferior as a DM rifle with optics) then you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't care if you've shot something at a range. This is settled as assault rifles have replaced bolt action rifles for just about every role. If you disagree, do some basic research after you lay off the drugs you take.

    You're arguing that soldiers with iron sighted mosins are better off than they would be with AKs. Think about the foolishness of such a statement.

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    Post  mnztr Sun May 15, 2022 7:10 am

    Former Chinese ambassador to Ukraine - Russia will lose war:

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/rethinking-ukraine-in-china/

    Kinda alarming as it is not likely that these guys would speak out unless it was approved by Beijing. Seems like some message that China may be losing confidence in Russias ability to win.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun May 15, 2022 7:10 am

    Hole wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:there are two ways ,to defeat people in a trench.. one is the russian way using artillery day and night firing 100 strikes to kill one enemy soldier , and the other way the ukrainian way using drones .. which one is more effective?  

    The 59th Motorized Brigade of Ukraine using drone-dropped munition to target troops in trenches

    With drones you can see in real time , second by second where you strike and how many soldiers
    are there and not have to wave hundreds of strikeks in an place that have no soldiers. notice how even cheap drones with unguided bombs can strike directly in trenches..   this is what is causing russia to lose so many soldiers..  russia need thousands of this cheap drones , they can damage the moral of soldiers even if you don't kill that many . but the idea of knowing the airspace is infested with drones
    above you that can see you clearly where you are,cause fear on anyone.

    Check this post by Hole >>
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8786p850-russian-special-military-operation-in-ukraine-15

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    There are dozens of videos out there showing russian drones guiding in artillery to hit trenches.

    Russians hardly need lectures from Westerners (or their own 5th/6th column) on the use of micro/light drones for battlefield surveillance and artillery guidance. From the very inception of drone usage on battlefield, the Russians have applied them to their natural strengths, eg guiding the use of massed artillery, while the Murkans simply obsessed on using them as murder-bots to shoot Hellfires at raghead insurgents in 3rd world locations.

    As far as I can tell, Russians are using drones quote extensively, yet it is true to say that they are still "calibrating" their use of such tech for large scale combined arms campaigns like this. Syria was a great workshop for the Russians first efforts at dipping a toe into drone-based warfare, and now the previous lessons need to be expanded upon. If that learning process takes longer than the fan-bois like well they can go and pound sand Razz

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    Post  ATLASCUB Sun May 15, 2022 7:27 am

    You ask for a cease-fire to give your proxy room to breathe and get its shit in order to continue the defense and the objective at hand.

    Aka you fish for idiots... cause once in a while you'll catch one. Now, if you don't throw the bait at all, you'll never give yourself the chance of catching an idiot or two. Given Russia's historical record this century, fishing for idiots inside the Russian leadership is a no brainer.

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    Post  Erk Sun May 15, 2022 7:28 am

    mnztr wrote:Former Chinese ambassador to Ukraine - Russia will lose war:

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/rethinking-ukraine-in-china/

    Kinda alarming as it is not likely that these guys would speak out unless it was approved by Beijing. Seems like some message that China may be losing confidence in Russias ability to win.
    Since when does a former ambassador have enough military experience to come up with value judgements like "lousy performance"? He probably doesn't even know what a war of attrition means. More than likely he has made enough Ukrainian contacts to get paid handsomely to make such unfounded media statements.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun May 15, 2022 7:31 am

    caveat emptor wrote:I agree that some of these channels have agenda. Mostly they want bigger involvement and more troops on the ground. Ru MoD, however, doesn't help situation with the situation by constantly giving same reports along the line of "everything is going according to the plan". This war is fought in propaganda arena, as well, and Ru MoD is utterly archaic and not adequate in that field.

    With all due respect, I think you are missing out on a major factor - the de-stabilizing impact when the (Western) public are suddenly confronted by the reality of what I believe will be a total Russian victory in military, political, economic and financial terms.  The Wests propaganda has been relentless and those people who have swallowed it are in for a rude awakening, like when no WMDs were discovered in Iraq and it became obvious to everyone that the war was based on LIES. Those lies badly damaged the reputation and credibility of the US, particularly in the eyes of the unaligned nations and global south.   Our corrupt MSM tried to mitigate the damage by its usual distraction techniques, but while the lower-IQ herd members moved on with their meaningless little lives, the stain remained and does so to this day.

    Ukraine will be the same.  Memes about "Iraqi WMDs" will be superseded by "Ukraine Winning" and will be a metaphor for MSM fake-news and manipulations.  Self-inflicted wounds like Ukraine will inflict serious damage to our propaganda machine, especially globally, and as the world increasingly turns multi-polar it is no longer sufficient to win over just the cud-chewing cattle in ones own nation.

    Russias rulers don't give a flying fck what Western idiots say in the Twattersphere.  They also don't care much about their own people doing the same, at least in the short term while the fog of war remains a necessity.   They triumphed over Islamists and nationalists in Chechnya against the cacophony of domestic media white noise and triggered citizenry, and today the Chechens are solid and loyal and fight as a spearhead against Russias enemies.  Where is the coke-sniffing Navalny these days?  Or those Pussy Riot anarchist whores? Razz

    Russia simply needs to WIN this thing and to win BIG.  Liberate Ukraines South and East, totally destroy the UAF and its Nazi contingents, tear down this disgraceful regime in Kiev, and create a much reduced rump state out of what is left, subject to ethnic Russian dominance and preferably a Russian-appointed viceroy.  All of this rancid white-noise infused hot air will dissipate like a fart in a blizzard once victory is achieved Razz Razz Razz Razz

    Look forward and keep your eyes on the prize.  The only way Russia can loose this is if they lose focus and allow the West to dictate the terms of engagement.  Ignore those cnts and treat them with the contempt that they so richly deserve Twisted Evil

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun May 15, 2022 7:37 am

    Hole wrote:These statements from the west remind me of a little kid whizzling in a dark cellar.

    ...and getting most of it on his shoes Razz

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    Post  OminousSpudd Sun May 15, 2022 7:41 am

    mnztr wrote:Former Chinese ambassador to Ukraine - Russia will lose war:

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/rethinking-ukraine-in-china/

    Kinda alarming as it is not likely that these guys would speak out unless it was approved by Beijing. Seems like some message that China may be losing confidence in Russias ability to win.
    Sounds like someone is a bit disappointed in the collapse of the globalist system. China stands to lose a lot with the untangling of US dominated global trade. Interesting that he thinks the US has worked to contain Japan, when from my perspective it would seem the PLAN could handily dispatch their neighbors navy if the US wasn't there to help. The conclusion that the SO will result in defeat is humorous when he goes on to acknowledge that escalation is still a possibility... If Russia can still escalate this conflict at will yet has dismantled the VSU with limited force at this point, how on earth could they suffer a military defeat? His listed historical points on why defeat is possible are also pretty bunk in my view.

    Still, it is interesting that something like this can be published, worth keeping in mind that there is a power struggle ongoing between Xi's camp of hardliners and the liberal, globalist-loving technocrats.

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    Post  Urluber Sun May 15, 2022 7:48 am

    mnztr wrote:Former Chinese ambassador to Ukraine - Russia will lose war:

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/rethinking-ukraine-in-china/

    Kinda alarming as it is not likely that these guys would speak out unless it was approved by Beijing. Seems like some message that China may be losing confidence in Russias ability to win.

    He's been an ambassador to Kiev, so quite probably a corrupt cuck. Possibly even a sleeping fascist agent which the west and Kiev have now decided to activate. There are of course those in China too, even if it generally does quite decent job in keeping them in check.

    I read through the vomit and it's quite susceptible. Mentions several typical, centuries old mantras from western playbook;
    - impression that cooperation with anglo-saxon camp is the only way for progress
    - mentions negative effects of "end of globalisation" for China
    - predicts total destruction of Russia
    - grossly exaggerates the capabilities of west - forgetting it's the USA that has just been ousted with bloody nose from Middle-east -> it's not realism to expect USA could do anything against Russia, except throw some ammo to Kievan junta to kill themselves
    - conveys an impression that Russia is not able to re-emerge as superpower (if it has done it once, what on earth prevents it doing it again... prospects were much worse in 1941)

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun May 15, 2022 7:56 am

    mnztr wrote:Former Chinese ambassador to Ukraine - Russia will lose war:

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/rethinking-ukraine-in-china/

    Kinda alarming as it is not likely that these guys would speak out unless it was approved by Beijing. Seems like some message that China may be losing confidence in Russias ability to win.

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    Those inscrutable Chinese Razz   Sounds like this guy has been tasked with telling the US what it wants to hear to encourage them to stay the course and jam their heads further up their own arses!!  Sun Tzu says not to tell the enemy when he is making a mistake.  This guy is doubling down on that and actively encouraging them to stay stupid Razz

    Ignore the propaganda that is aimed at the Murkan enemy.  Keep grinding the Ukro army into red paste.  Reality will assert itself once all is said and done and the Ukro-orcs are finally mulched into compost. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Regular Sun May 15, 2022 8:05 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    @regular you stated "
    It's evident they won't be doing armed school cop duty and will be part of an offensive on an ever-changing battlefield. SVD is superior to any bolt action there is in ANY ROLE, even in sniping"

    Wasn't SF, haven't seen real action, never deployed, and haven't killed a person (or so I hope). I served many years in Mechanised forces, infantry, and then in "stay-behind" irregular forces and had many nasty service rifles. For me first of all, service was just work and not a firing range fun.

    We had M16A2, AK-4 and Polish AKM (Not beryl on tantal, but we had Beryls in armory) Not sure if I have weapons intelligence, just weapon common sense I guess? Most of the colleagues in my army thought that AK-4 was Kalashnikov as well, but it didn't stop them from scoring at targets better than me clown My favorite service rifle was AKM, even if it was older than me, but like 99,9% of everyone else who used other rifles they preferred it. Especially when it came to storming buildings and rappeling. Imagine we had to do it with AK-4 too. Who was training for KFOR had M16A2 and I better not say anything about this rifle.

    I never shot Mosin or SVD, but I have shot M14/21, and vehicle-mounted M2, not an expert on these.

    SVD is a marksman/battlefield rifle it isn't superior at anything other than that role.

    I will disagree, people who have dropped terrorists for a living have praised SVD for being a superior rifle to anything they used

    Video title is "SVD is a weapon of real battle" and it touches on this subject about bolt-actions


    Not sure if it has English Subtitles, but youtube should be able to generate them. They talk about eliminating targets while using backup iron sights on SVD as well and they praise its rapid-fire rate, and quick target acquisition, good optics. Sniper said that in real-life conditions they have made/witnessed shots that would be in the category of controlled competition shooting with bolt-actions, not that in real life they need such accuracy all the time.

    It's certainly not superior to sniping as you claim it cannot match the accuracy of a bolt action sniper rifle and it cannot match the range and accuracy of a 12.7mm sniper rifle.

    12.7 sniper rifle is very niche weapon, no denying in it's benefits, but in real-life SVD will excel in almost all cases apart from anti-material function. Range is something that you can't comfortably choose when fighting in a unit. You support them at any distance when shit hits the fan. There is a reason why SVD had bayonet lug.

    Also, my comment wasn't saying that SVD should replace all AK rifles, but rather they should replace Mosin ones, like when the Soviets did this in what, 1967-1968.

    Specific snipers working in tandem can have Lobaev "Bentley" rifles for what I care. 12.7mm, even 30mm autocannons or whatever they can lift, but not the infantry squads that can be told to take attack, defend and do anything HQ wants basically.

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    Post  franco Sun May 15, 2022 8:08 am

    Asiatimes, same as the Moscow Times... fake news!

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 8:30 am

    mnztr wrote:Former Chinese ambassador to Ukraine - Russia will lose war:

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/rethinking-ukraine-in-china/

    Kinda alarming as it is not likely that these guys would speak out unless it was approved by Beijing. Seems like some message that China may be losing confidence in Russias ability to win.

    That is a pretty ridiculous and I should say amateur analysis

    Never the less only goes to prove the old adage. No allies of Russia apart from its army and its navy.

    If Russia does somehow lose then Beijing will dump it for sure and move to an accommodation with the US, to try and buy more time for itself.
    No-one likes a loser

    But unfortunately for America all this PR, propaganda, infowar stuff cannot win the war. It can prolong it by artificially boosting Ukrainian morale, but that's about it.

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    Post  Regular Sun May 15, 2022 8:40 am

    So far China only supported Russia and never gave any signals of anything else. It would be safe to add this article to the cringe compilation without wasting too much time on it.

    Just like recent Forbes article that Russians can't cross a river yet somehow Russia advanced in real life Laughing

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    Post  Krepost Sun May 15, 2022 9:08 am

    Drama Queens, Drama Queens everywhere.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun May 15, 2022 9:10 am

    Regular wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    @regular you stated "
    It's evident they won't be doing armed school cop duty and will be part of an offensive on an ever-changing battlefield. SVD is superior to any bolt action there is in ANY ROLE, even in sniping"

    Wasn't SF, haven't seen real action, never deployed, and haven't killed a person (or so I hope). I served many years in Mechanised forces, infantry, and then in "stay-behind" irregular forces and had many nasty service rifles. For me first of all, service was just work and not a firing range fun.

    We had M16A2, AK-4 and Polish AKM (Not beryl on tantal, but we had Beryls in armory) Not sure if I have weapons intelligence, just weapon common sense I guess? Most of the colleagues in my army thought that AK-4 was Kalashnikov as well, but it didn't stop them from scoring at targets better than me clown My favorite service rifle was AKM, even if it was older than me, but like 99,9% of everyone else who used other rifles they preferred it. Especially when it came to storming buildings and rappeling. Imagine we had to do it with AK-4 too. Who was training for KFOR had M16A2 and I better not say anything about this rifle.

    I never shot Mosin or SVD, but I have shot M14/21, and vehicle-mounted M2, not an expert on these.

    SVD is a marksman/battlefield rifle it isn't superior at anything other than that role.

    I will disagree, people who have dropped terrorists for a living have praised SVD for being a superior rifle to anything they used

    Video title is "SVD is a weapon of real battle" and it touches on this subject about bolt-actions


    Not sure if it has English Subtitles, but youtube should be able to generate them. They talk about eliminating targets while using backup iron sights on SVD as well and they praise its rapid-fire rate, and quick target acquisition, good optics. Sniper said that in real-life conditions they have made/witnessed shots that would be in the category of controlled competition shooting with bolt-actions, not that in real life they need such accuracy all the time.

    It's certainly not superior to sniping as you claim it cannot match the accuracy of a bolt action sniper rifle and it cannot match the range and accuracy of a 12.7mm sniper rifle.

    12.7 sniper rifle is very niche weapon, no denying in it's benefits, but in real-life SVD will excel in almost all cases apart from anti-material function. Range is something that you can't comfortably choose when fighting in a unit. You support them at any distance when shit hits the fan. There is a reason why SVD had bayonet lug.

    Also, my comment wasn't saying that SVD should replace all AK rifles, but rather they should replace Mosin ones, like when the Soviets did this in what, 1967-1968.

    Specific snipers working in tandem can have Lobaev "Bentley" rifles for what I care. 12.7mm, even 30mm autocannons or whatever they can lift, but not the infantry squads that can be told to take attack, defend and do anything HQ wants basically.

    Razvedos is great

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun May 15, 2022 9:15 am

    What is peculiar to me is none of the vehicles deployed on the border has gone back to original deployment areas

    You have to understand months worth of equipment was sent by rail

    The forces from February that took Kiev in 1 week as well as chernigov and sumy

    Have not returned home

    There is thousands of vehicles, trucks , tanks, bmp, that went to the border by rail

    And what is ominous is that the equipment remains

    Some people here have forgotten this

    I mean we have streams and streams of all kind of equipment

    And where has it gone?...

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    Post  mnztr Sun May 15, 2022 9:16 am

    Erk wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Former Chinese ambassador to Ukraine - Russia will lose war:

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/rethinking-ukraine-in-china/

    Kinda alarming as it is not likely that these guys would speak out unless it was approved by Beijing. Seems like some message that China may be losing confidence in Russias ability to win.
    Since when does a former ambassador have enough military experience to come up with value judgements like "lousy performance"? He probably doesn't even know what a war of attrition means. More than likely he has made enough Ukrainian contacts to get paid handsomely to make such unfounded media statements.


    Its very possible he has access to Chinese intel as this guy was up there in the party. If ANYONE knows what a war of attrition looks like its the Chinese. Remember Korea? I doubt someone like this would make open statement without Chinese govt approval. Even the Russians admit they are losing the propaganda war.
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    Post  Krepost Sun May 15, 2022 9:22 am

    From the various videos and photos we have seen so far:

    The number of captured Western-made Javelin, NLAW, Panzerfaust, C. Gustaf etc. is in the hundreds, perhaps in the THOUSANDS.

    Some are being used by DNR and LNR forces against the enemy.

    I am sure others are gone for testing by the Russian Armed Forces and design bureaus.

    I expect them to appear in a future edition of the Voennaya Priomka series on Zvezda TV.


    By the way. Tomorrow's edition of the program is about the X-31 (Kh-31) anti-radar missile specifically built to destroy Patriot and other SAM systems.
    The missile is made of Titanium.
    etc.etc.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun May 15, 2022 9:26 am

    I don't understand using Mosin aside for propaganda reasons as a weapon that fought the Nazis in ww2. I hope those reservists are issued AKs for fight. If they are just doing patrolling duties, even SKS is much better. Russia should have hundreds of thousand AKs of all versions in reserve.

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