Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg ruled out the entry of alliance troops into Ukraine

https://en.topwar.ru/193875-gensek-nato-jens-stoltenberg-iskljuchil-vvod-vojsk-aljansa-na-territoriju-ukrainy.html

After Stoltenberg's words about the absence of a plan for Ukraine's admission to NATO, the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry announced his refusal to participate in the summit

https://en.topwar.ru/193891-posle-slov-stoltenberga-ob-otsutstvii-plana-prinjatija-ukrainy-v-nato-glava-ukrainskogo-mid-zajavil-ob-otkaze-ot-uchastija-v-sammite.html

Prime Minister of Bulgaria announced the refusal of the country to provide military assistance to Ukraine

https://en.topwar.ru/193913-premer-ministr-bolgarii-zajavil-ob-otkaze-strany-predostavljat-ukraine-voennuju-pomosch.html

Macron rejected the possibility of France's involvement in the conflict in Ukraine

https://en.topwar.ru/193893-makron-otverg-vozmozhnost-uchastija-francii-v-konflikte-na-ukraine.html

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Lets see how many Ukie troops did you guys claim where in Mari again around 30-40k right? any proof of that.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Lets see how many Ukie troops did you guys claim where in Mari again around 30-40k right? any proof of that.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Lets see how many Ukie troops did you guys claim where in Mari again around 30-40k right? any proof of that.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:There are videos of droves, literal droves of dead Azovites from Mariupol being spread now. Gruesome as I said earlier.

Looks like they were completely cornered and then just mowed down.

JohninMK wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Lets see how many Ukie troops did you guys claim where in Mari again around 30-40k right? any proof of that.

Arkanghelsk claimed "50,000 Nazis in Mariupol alone" a couple of pages back.

lancelot wrote:HATO has more combat aircraft than Russia. And the US has more nuclear attack subs. So you can bet in a conventional war they would try to use air power to strike Russia. But Russia can just destroy their concentration areas, fuel depots, oil refineries, etc. With long range weapons. Good luck getting those airplanes operational for long without specialized airfields available for them. I think the main problem is the attack subs. They would do the same thing Germany did in WWI/II and do unrestricted submarine warfare on anyone trying to do trade not sanctioned by them.

billybatts91 wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:There are videos of droves, literal droves of dead Azovites from Mariupol being spread now. Gruesome as I said earlier.

Looks like they were completely cornered and then just mowed down.

Can you please give me the telegram channels that post this? I would like to have some more pro-Russian ones, if anyone has links to them I would appreciate it very much.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Ukraine is not A NATO state

we aren't running out of ammo

NATO has no industrial capacity....? okay okay after that line, I cannot take your remarks seriously anymore.

We are done here, go smoke your drugs.

Ispan wrote:I am at a loss for words hearing of the death of two of the children of Auslander. I believe these were adopted war orphans he mentioned in some posts. I know the eldest boy when he grew up joined the militia a couple years ago. It's awful but it's to be expected. I don't know his name or what he is like but I can figure out some guy like Zhoga, that lad who grew up with the war and was the commander of Motorola battallion and was killed at Volnovakha.

It's bad to see these young guys and men die, but somebody must go to war else the war would never end and the women and children would be killed. It's sad, I got sad seeing the bodies of Russian soldiers but that's war. Somebody has to pay the price. When war comes to your country, you have no choice, you can't expect others to fight for you. Still that Auslander boy volunteered, when he need not, makes his sacrifice even nobler. He died so some other didn't have to. For that I thank him, and thank Auslander. You can be proud of him.

The loss of your daughter is simply awful. A soldier has to expect wounds and death, but that is simply beastly murder. Brave girl too. She must have known the ukros fire at ambulances and when you are in a war zone and within the range of artillery, it can fall anywhere. Still that 's not just bad luck, but sheer murder.

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One way or the other we (allow me to speak as a Russian for once, because your dead are also my own), we are going to lose thousands of people, both brave warriors and unfortunate civilians. Those that make it, like that couple and their newborn son rescued from Mariupol, will owe it to the efforts of thousands like Auslander children.

They did their duty and saved lives. Theirs was a tragic and short life, but they achieved most and did more good than most people will in their life time. Their death was not in vain.

I haven't cried like this since 2014.  One day, when my little daughters grow up, I hope to be able to teach them to be worthy of being Russian, of living up to the example of Auslander children and all others. If I achieve that, then my life will have been worth it.

Arkanghelsk wrote: The Ukrainian leadership missed its chance for a sovereign state, - the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova

"They have already missed the main chance for the existence of Ukraine within their own borders, a sovereign Ukraine, an independent Ukraine," she said.

If you read between the diplomatic lines and Zakharova does not carry a gag, then this can be understood in such a way that a course has been taken for the annexation of Ukraine.

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote: The Ukrainian leadership missed its chance for a sovereign state, - the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova

"They have already missed the main chance for the existence of Ukraine within their own borders, a sovereign Ukraine, an independent Ukraine," she said.

If you read between the diplomatic lines and Zakharova does not carry a gag, then this can be understood in such a way that a course has been taken for the annexation of Ukraine.

Won't happen, just a scare tactic

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote: The Ukrainian leadership missed its chance for a sovereign state, - the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova

"They have already missed the main chance for the existence of Ukraine within their own borders, a sovereign Ukraine, an independent Ukraine," she said.

If you read between the diplomatic lines and Zakharova does not carry a gag, then this can be understood in such a way that a course has been taken for the annexation of Ukraine.

Won't happen, just a scare tactic

Not annexation, but regime change is guaranteed

JohninMK wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:E3 Sentry doesn't work that well in Ukraine even without Mig 31 firing in anger

In reality warfare Mig31 would send R37 to those AWACS and cut off completely C&C from the ground

Once the AWACS are gone also CAS and CAP missions cannot proceed

Russian forces have done very well against NATO with only 50k men

The losses are irreplaceable in terms of human life, but performance wise losing 500 men is stellar against a NATO armed and supported state

It's 50k Russians fighting 400,000 Ukrainians and 25,000 NATO mercenaries of the foreign legion

Along with E3 Sentry support, Arms support, manpower support , and Intel support

So Russia is doing good job

The method of sitting back and chewing the Ukrainian infantry is a good tactic,  no need to swallow food without chewing it first

No need for mobilization, the ground forces are waiting quietly at garrison and deployment locations

You past a lot of good stuff. Why do you have to exaggerate like this and make us doubt the rest?

How do you know the E-3 doesn't work well in Ukraine?

How do you know there are only 50k Russians in Ukraine?

We know that Russia lost 500 in the first week and up to the end of last week DNR had lost over 560, where does your 500 come from?

The Ukrainian forces, including everyone may just scrape to 400k but where does your 25k NATO mercenaries come from?

lancelot wrote:HATO has more combat aircraft than Russia. And the US has more nuclear attack subs. So you can bet in a conventional war they would try to use air power to strike Russia. But Russia can just destroy their concentration areas, fuel depots, oil refineries, etc. With long range weapons. Good luck getting those airplanes operational for long without specialized airfields available for them. I think the main problem is the attack subs. They would do the same thing Germany did in WWI/II and do unrestricted submarine warfare on anyone trying to do trade not sanctioned by them.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Oh they are finally being honest they plan to annex most of ukraine if not all of it, good good.