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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

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    Post  walle83 Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:56 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    par far wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇺🇲🇷🇺⚡NATO will not deploy troops in Ukraine to avoid war with Russia - Alliance Secretary General Stoltenberg, responding to Poland's proposal to send a peacekeeping mission to Ukraine.

    NATO shit it's panties big surprise,  no asswhooping for now

    Probably the opposite. The war has shown that Russian convential forces are not that good, and probably would get thier ass kicked in a confrontation with Nato forces.



    What people in the west don't understand is that the Russian forces in Ukraine are the 2nd and 3rd tier of the Russian armed forces. The 1st tier are being saved in case of a conflict with NATO/US.

    Another thing people in the west don't understand is that Russia needs to live right next to Ukraine, so the American way of doing war is not right here(American way is to bomb a country for months, sent in their ground forces and delcare victory).

    Russia does not want to destroy Ukraine, it wants to capture it, as much of it intact as possible.


    Walle is a piece of shit dude. He is from Sweden. He is just a typical retard spewing nonsense while Garry let's him. His fag army lost against taliban while Russia is actually going against a full fledged army better equipped than anyone they ever fought.

    I am requesting GarryB to ban him as he insults the Russian army whom is sacrificing themselves for a better future.  Others were banned for a lot less.

    Leave him alone. Like other pro US fanbois he is seeing how the russian hardware are working as advertized and it is eating him from the inside.

    I've requested GarryB to intervene.

    Thats right Mikey,  as soon you dont agree with someone on a forum just ban him.
    Thats one way to have a one side only debate. Reading yours and others responses relly makes me doubt the admins responsebility here. Gess you can get away with murder here as long as you only support Russia.
    I relly dont give a rats ass what you and mr Garry do or say. Meanwhile I gladly continue to be a nail in your eye.

    Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

    Russian forces have definitely fucked up, or rather Russian leadership and political-military strategists have

    But the situation is really not so dire as you paint

    They've achieved a 1:5 - 1:6 kill ratio to date and that's only increasing as the Ukrainians are deprived of more and more of their artillery, fuel, ammo and other things. It's an entirely unwinnable war for the Ukrainian military.

    The real problem is all attempts at destabilizing the Kiev authorities, splitting the Ukrainian military from the political leadership, setting up some kind of alternative government or bringing the Ukrainian people to their side have failed, or not been properly attempted.
    This is evident from Russia's soft tactics in the first days, more than once changing its approach over the past month, the Rosgvardia chief admitting that Russian forces have not as advanced to the extent that they would have liked, Putin's appeal to the Ukrainian military to stop defending their regime which fell on deaf ears, Russians being ambushed in Kharkov after casually strolling in there in expectation the city would be handed over, Russians not setting up any administrations in the towns it passed through other than in Kherson, the attempts at ultimatums and negotiations which went nowhere, Russian reported surprise at the European counter-reaction and cohesion, etc...

    In short they're idiots and criminals. Anyone could have told them these things would happen, especially given the way they went around doing them

    And the only way now to achieve 'denazificiation' and 'demilitarization' is brute force, which is what's being done now, although at least all Ukrainian units in the rear areas such as Odessa and Western Ukraine have been left alone.
    I don't know if any of this will achieve anything other than pilling on more corpses.
    The West will probably get Kiev to accept Russian demands, and then that will be that.

    Well I dont agree with all your points but in general yes. But thanx for a serious response anyway.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:14 am

    Make Nazism Great Again

    Pepe Escobar
    March 24, 2022

    The supreme target is regime change in Russia, Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder.

    All eyes are on Mariupol. As of Wednesday night, over 70% of residential areas were under control of Donetsk and Russian forces, while Russian Marines, Donetsk’s 107th batallion and Chechen Spetsnaz, led by the charismatic Adam Delimkhanov, had entered the Azov-Stal plant – the HQ of the neo-Nazi Azov batallion.

    Azov was sent a last ultimatum: surrender until midnight – or else, as in a take no prisoners highway to hell.

    That implies a major game-changer in the Ukrainian battlefield; Mariupol is finally about to be thoroughly denazified – as the Azov contingent long entrenched in the city and using civilians as human shields were their most hardened fighting force.

    Meanwhile, echoes from the Empire of Lies all but gave the whole game away. There’s no intention whatsoever in Washington to facilitate a peace plan in Ukraine – and that explains Comedian Zelensky’s non-stop stalling tactics. The supreme target is regime change in Russia, and for that Totalen Krieg against Russia and all things Russian is warranted. Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder.

    This also means that the 14,000 deaths in Donbass for the past 8 years should be directly attributed to the Exceptionalists. As for Ukrainian neo-Nazis of all stripes, they are as expendable as “moderate rebels” in Syria, be they al-Qaeda or Daesh-linked. Those that may eventually survive can always join the budding CIA-sponsored Neo-Nazi Inc. – the tawdry remix of the 1980s Jihad Inc. in Afghanistan. They will be properly “Kalibrated”.

    A quick neo-Nazi recap

    By now only the brain dead across NATOstan – and there are hordes – are not aware of Maidan in 2014. Yet few know that it was then Ukrainian Minister of Interior Arsen Avakov, a former governor of Kharkov, who gave the green light for a 12,000 paramilitary outfit to materialize out of Sect 82 soccer hooligans who supported Dynamo Kiev. That was the birth of the Azov batallion, in May 2014, led by Andriy Biletsky, a.k.a. the White Fuhrer, and former leader of the neo-nazi gang Patriots of Ukraine.

    Together with NATO stay-behind agent Dmitro Yarosh, Biletsky founded Pravy Sektor, financed by Ukrainian mafia godfather and Jewish billionaire Ihor Kolomoysky (later the benefactor of the meta-conversion of Zelensky from mediocre comedian to mediocre President.)

    Pravy Sektor happened to be rabidly anti-EU – tell that to Ursula von der Lugen – and politically obsessed with linking Central Europe and the Baltics in a new, tawdry Intermarium. Crucially, Pravy Sektor and other nazi gangs were duly trained by NATO instructors.

    Biletsky and Yarosh are of course disciples of notorious WWII-era Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, for whom pure Ukrainians are proto-Germanic or Scandinavian, and Slavs are untermenschen.

    Azov ended up absorbing nearly all neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine and were dispatched to fight against Donbass – with their acolytes making more money than regular soldiers. Biletsky and another neo-Nazi leader, Oleh Petrenko, were elected to the Rada. The White Führer stood on his own. Petrenko decided to support then President Poroshenko. Soon the Azov battalion was incorporated as the Azov Regiment to the Ukrainian National Guard.

    They went on a foreign mercenary recruiting drive – with people coming from Western Europe, Scandinavia and even South America.

    That was strictly forbidden by the Minsk Agreements guaranteed by France and Germany (and now de facto defunct). Azov set up training camps for teenagers and soon reached 10,000 members. Erik “Blackwater” Prince, in 2020, struck a deal with the Ukrainian military that would enable his renamed outfit, Academi, to supervise Azov.

    It was none other than sinister Maidan cookie distributor Vicky “F**k the EU” Nuland who suggested to Zelensky – both of them, by the way, Ukrainian Jews – to appoint avowed Nazi Yarosh as an adviser to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi. The target: organize a blitzkrieg on Donbass and Crimea – the same blitzkrieg that SVR, Russian foreign intel, concluded would be launched on February 22, thus propelling the launch of Operation Z.

    All of the above, in fact just a quick recap, shows that in Ukraine there’s no difference whatsoever between white neo-Nazis and brown-colored al-Qaeda/ISIS/Daesh, as much as neo-Nazis are just as “Christian” as takfiri Salafi-jihadis are “Muslim”.

    When Putin denounced a “bunch of neo-Nazis” in power in Kiev, the Comedian replied that it was impossible because he was Jewish. Nonsense. Zelensky and his patron Kolomoysky, for all practical purposes, are Zio-Nazis.

    Even as branches of the United States government admitted to neo-Nazis entrenched in the Kiev apparatus, the Exceptionalist machine made the daily shelling of Donbass for 8 years simply disappear. These thousands of civilian victims never existed.

    U.S. mainstream media even ventured the odd piece or report on Azov and Aidar neo-Nazis. But then a neo-Orwellian narrative was set in stone: there are no Nazis in Ukraine. CIA offshoot NED even started deleting records about training members of Aidar. Recently a crappy news network duly promoted a video of a NATO-trained and weaponized Azov commander – complete with Nazi iconography.

    Why “denazification” makes sense

    The Banderastan ideology harks back to when this part of Ukraine was in fact controlled by the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Russian empire and Poland. Stepan Bandera was born in Austro-Hungary in 1909, near Ivano-Frankovsk, in the – then autonomous – Kingdom of Galicia.

    WWI dismembered European empires into frequently non-viable small entities. In western Ukraine – an imperial intersection – that inevitably led to the proliferation of extremely intolerant ideologies.

    Banderastan ideologues profited from the Nazi arrival in 1941 to try to proclaim an independent territory. But Berlin not only blocked it but sent them to concentration camps. In 1944 though the Nazis changed tactics: they liberated the Banderanistas and manipulated them into anti-Russian hate, thus creating a destabilization force in the Ukrainian USSR.

    So Nazism is not exactly the same as Banderastan fanatics: they are in fact competing ideologies. What happened since Maidan is that the CIA kept a laser focus on inciting Russian hatred by whatever fringe groups it could instrumentalize. So Ukraine is not a case of
    “white nationalism” – to put it mildly – but of anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism, for all practical purposes manifested via Nazi-style salutes and Nazi-style symbols.

    So when Putin and the Russian leadership refer to Ukrainian Nazism, that may not be 100% correct, conceptually, but it strikes a chord with every Russian.

    Russians viscerally reject Nazism – considering that virtually every Russian family has at least one ancestor killed during the Great Patriotic War. From the perspective of wartime psychology, it makes total sense to talk of “Ukro-nazism” or, straight to the point, a “denazification” campaign.

    How the Anglos loved the Nazis

    The United States government openly cheerleading neo-Nazis in Ukraine is hardly a novelty, considering how it supported Hitler alongside England in 1933 for balance of power reasons.

    In 1933, Roosevelt lent Hitler one billion gold dollars while England lent him two billion gold dollars. That should be multiplied 200 times to arrive at today’s fiat dollars. The Anglo-Americans wanted to build up Germany as a bulwark against Russia. In 1941 Roosevelt wrote to Hitler that if he invaded Russia the U.S. would side with Russia, and wrote Stalin that if Stalin invaded Germany the U.S. would back Germany. Talk about a graphic illustration of Mackinderesque balance of power.

    The Brits had become very concerned with the rise of Russian power under Stalin while observing that Germany was on its knees with 50% unemployment in 1933, if one counted unregistered itinerant Germans.

    Even Lloyd George had misgivings about the Versailles Treaty, unbearably weakening Germany after its surrender in WWI. The purpose of WWI, in Lloyd George’s worldview, was to destroy Russia and Germany together. Germany was threatening England with the Kaiser building a fleet to take over the oceans, while the Tsar was too close to India for comfort. For a while Britannia won – and continued to rule the waves.

    Then building up Germany to fight Russia became the number one priority – complete with rewriting of History. The uniting of Austrian Germans and Sudetenland Germans with Germany, for instance, was totally approved by the Brits.

    But then came the Polish problem. When Germany invaded Poland, France and Britain stood on the sidelines. That placed Germany on the border of Russia, and Germany and Russia divided up Poland. That’s exactly what Britain and France wanted. Britain and France had promised Poland that they would invade Germany from the west while Poland fought Germany from the east.

    In the end, the Poles were double-crossed. Churchill even praised Russia for invading Poland. Hitler was advised by MI6 that England and France would not invade Poland – as part of their plan for a German-Russian war. Hitler had been supported financially since the 1920s by MI6 for his favorable words about England in Mein Kampf. MI6 de facto encouraged Hitler to invade Russia.

    Fast forward to 2022, and here we go again – as farce, with the Anglo-Americans “encouraging” Germany under feeble Scholz to put itself back together militarily, with 100 billion euros (that the Germans don’t have), and setting up in thesis a revamped European force to later go to war against Russia.

    Cue to the Russophobic hysteria in Anglo-American media about the Russia-China strategic partnership. The mortal Anglo-American fear is Mackinder/Mahan/Spykman/Kissinger/Brzezinski all rolled into one: Russia-China as peer competitor twins take over the Eurasian land mass – the Belt and Road Initiative meets the Greater Eurasia Partnership – and thus rule the planet, with the U.S. relegated to inconsequential island status, as much as the previous “Rule Britannia”.

    England, France and later the Americans had prevented it when Germany aspired to do the same, controlling Eurasia side by side with Japan, from the English Channel to the Pacific. Now it’s a completely different ball game.

    So Ukraine, with its pathetic neo-Nazi gangs, is just an – expendable – pawn in the desperate drive to stop something that is beyond anathema, from Washington’s perspective: a totally peaceful German-Russian-Chinese New Silk Road.

    Russophobia, massively imprinted in the West’s DNA, never really went away. Cultivated by the Brits since Catherine the Great – and then with The Great Game. By the French since Napoleon. By the Germans because the Red Army liberated Berlin. By the Americans because Stalin forced to them the mapping of Europe – and then it went on and on and on throughout the Cold War.

    We are at just the early stages of the final push by the dying Empire to attempt arresting the flow of History. They are being outsmarted, they are already outgunned by the top military power in the world, and they will be checkmated. Existentially, they are not equipped to kill the Bear – and that hurts. Cosmically.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/03/24/make-nazism-great-again/

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:18 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ukraines army even with all the side pieces is not 400k.

    Actually.........

    Ukraine before the war had around

    250,000 personnel
    220,000 reservists
    70,000 national guard (with 40k of that neo Nazi battalions)
    Territorial defence forces 35,000 with a further 140,000 reservists
    borders guards 50,000
    Police force 120,000

    During the war
    Mercenaries 20,000+

    Forced conscription of males 18-65yrs would be tens of millions
    Current statics for ages 16-49yrs is  11,149,646,
    Although it's most likely some have fled or will be guarding military fuel, ammo, storage bases, key infrastructure in the west of the country. Although largely these untrained armed civilians now come troops will not be much use at best free up some trained solders, distribute aid, help retain law and order assisting police on looters etc, helping cordon off areas, help emergency services this is what they will be used for majority won't see frontline, as it would be bad news if battalions of untrained so-called soldiers being taken as POW.

    So it's well over 400,000 even with death toll included.

    Very false numbers only thing that was accurate was the active persona being around 250k.

    What proof is there of 20k mercs? None

    Their police force wasn't that massive,

    Boardergaurds? that part of the army personnel of 250k

    National guard first off that's Employees not all of that is military the actual number of that is under 20k.

    You literally just looked at a wiki page.

    reserves will always be a very hard to gauge thing a lot of people fled and a lot of reserves didn't come up

    so yes that 400k number is horse shit it's 330k AT best and less than half is properly trained military personnel.

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    Post  walle83 Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:22 am

    Isos wrote:
    Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

    You should stop drinking ukrainian propaganda... try water it's very good for your body.


    How is that Ukrainian propaganda? Does it seem to be going well for the Russians? They have stalled in thier progress and with a minimum of 7-10.000 kia just 4 weeks in its nothing but a disaster.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:34 am

    walle83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

    You should stop drinking ukrainian propaganda... try water it's very good for your body.


    How is that Ukrainian propaganda? Does it seem to be going well for the Russians? They have stalled in thier progress and with a minimum of 7-10.000 kia just 4 weeks in its nothing but a disaster.

    Hmm, only 7-10,000? Per the NYT the Russians have lost 50 thousand, which is kinda odd because that would mean an attrition rate of almost 100 percent. My guess is that the Pentagram and the Ukes are lying their ass off. I'd put Russian dead at about 1500 to 2500 and Ukrainian at about 15 to 20 thousand. BTW, what are your sources?

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:16 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:BTW, what are your sources?

    His arsehole? Walle83 is an unmitigated idiot, and we are wasting precious seconds of our lives in responding to his annoying idiocy, but what else can one do? Annoying insects are there to be swatted. Razz

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:22 am

    The first MOD announcement of KIA in week 1 was 500

    After that KIA were in the tens per week

    Ambushes added 1 tank in manpower maybe a crew or just a driver, and Ukrainian ambushes resulted in 20 to 30 tanks destroyed in weeks 2 and 3

    Even using ambush videos

    You can count less than 100 tanks during the entire war

    Even then 7000 deaths is more than Chechen war numbers, and frankly, it looked more like Chechnya for the VSU going off videos alone

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:27 am

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-invasion-failure-success-1691447%3famp=1

    On Monday, the pro-Kremlin tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda briefly reported an even higher death toll, estimating the number of Russian troops fallen at 10,000. The report was later removed from the tabloid's website.

    The figure reported by Russia's Ministry of Defense is fewer than 500 deaths among its troops.

    My estimates are correct

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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 25, 2022 5:03 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-invasion-failure-success-1691447%3famp=1

    On Monday, the pro-Kremlin tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda briefly reported an even higher death toll, estimating the number of Russian troops fallen at 10,000. The report was later removed from the tabloid's website.

    The figure reported by Russia's Ministry of Defense is fewer than 500 deaths among its troops.

    My estimates are correct

    Even if the 10,000 (nice and round) was not a mistake the NATzO propagandists can't claim it was the death toll. I can see
    that the LDNR + Russian wounded would be in the thousands. KIA are a small fraction of the casualties.

    It is rather clear that most of the Russian KIA (as opposed to LDNR) were in the first week because they moved very fast
    and had Ukr sabotage units hitting them in the rear. By the second week the pace changed and the ambush effectiveness
    was minimal. So 500 per week cannot be extrapolated. I think the current figure is between 600 and 800. The LDNR
    losses are likely higher.

    It's a real war. Not a US style video game where mass slaughter of civilians and military is staged from the air over a period
    of two months (first Iraq war).

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    Post  Serberus Fri Mar 25, 2022 5:26 am

    10 000 deaths is next level fantasy and anyone honestly believing that or pretending to can be put in three groups
    Either they have no understanding of this war or any war in general, is a pure propagandist or needs to seek psychiatric help.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Mar 25, 2022 5:48 am

    LMFS wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:In case of a continental war, Russia must advance strongly to Germany to keep its industrial apparatus and resources. It is a weak country with a population of queers and homosexuals, but with a great industrial and technological capacity that Russia would do well to take over . It would not be a military problem, unlike France or Great Britain. Ukraine is stronger than Germany

    Have to disagree. Germans can happily live in their country, as far as they are not a threat to Russia. It is really simple. Russia has their industry, every bit as good as the German, and forcing anyone to do what they do not want is not only perverse but above all it does not work in the long run Laughing

    The Germans are anti-Russian, they have it in their genetics. But they are also one of those responsible for this crisis by promoting Ukrainian nationalists. I remind you of something important: Germany was one of the promoters of the destruction of the former Yugoslavia to harm the Serbs and benefit the Croats in 1990.
    The Germans are useless, cowardly, incapable of having autonomy, vassals of NATO since they barely have an army.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:06 am

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    The Germans are anti-Russian, they have it in their genetics. But they are also one of those responsible for this crisis by promoting Ukrainian nationalists. I remind you of something important: Germany was one of the promoters of the destruction of the former Yugoslavia to harm the Serbs and benefit the Croats in 1990.
    The Germans are useless, cowardly, incapable of having autonomy, vassals of NATO since they barely have an army.

    And where did you find that particular idea?
    Germans are among the most Russian positive attitude societies in Europe.
    GDR, when existed, was considered the most trustable USSR ally. NVA was considered as most trusted allied army among the whole WarPac, and STASI was supposed to be the closest cooperative for KGB. Putin himself coordinated the KGB/STASI cooperation back there, and he considers the USSR withdrawal from GDR that left friends and allies there as an act of treason. He openly admits that on several occasions.
    There is a waste of cultural cooperation, tens of thousands of ethnic Germans live in Russia, having autonomy. Tens of thousands of Russkies live in Germany.
    Germans used to rule the Russian Empire, would you imagine that? Twisted Evil
    Hundreds of German/Prussian/Bavarian officers, nobles, etc soaked into imperial Russia.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:16 am

    But by all means go Join the war in Ukraine, but you won't and will talk tough and that's just how people like you are.

    Amusing considering this is a war created by the US.

    I understand you and Walle are upset about all these dead nazis, they are so white and blue eyed...

    We already know what would happen because one side has declared it wont take part at all... doesn't sound like the side most likely to win anything.

    Ukraine is not worth a NATO-Russia war, it's just not.

    Ukraine is the nazi bio weapon, nuclear armed point of the HATO spear... this is about eliminating a legitimate threat... the lack of spine on the part of HATO to defend their meatshield just shows what an empty ponsie scheme it really is.

    All this time the big bad Russians are coming and when you finally corner them into fighting back you fold like a deck chair on the titanic...

    Flaming, you good guy man, Russian always will be together in the end

    If I banned the EU fanboys then such posts would not happen...

    Nothing like external alien threats to make your differences seem unimportant.

    I think Russia should be very glad that Nato nations dont join in, and why would they?

    I think Russia is a bit confused... HATO was all about keeping the EU and Russia apart, there was never going to be a conventional war, this conflict is about as far as the west is prepared to go with a peer enemy, they simply don't have the balls for anything that might challenge them... they didn't even use helicopters and ground troops in Kosovo for goodness sake.

    You now that much of Ukrains success is because of the western weapons they have recieved right?

    What success, Russia is moving at its own pace and cleaning up areas and closing cauldrons and doing exactly what it wanted... the bulk of the Ukrainian forces are trapped in their positions in the east where they have been committing war crimes against their own people for 7 years... where is the success for Kiev or the US?

    Its not the Russian sovet era weapons that is winning the war thats for sure. Ask any Russian tank crew.

    You are pissed because they are doing it with old stuff... I can understand that...

    So when was the last time that Russia lost ship by enemy action in the conflict?

    It is just a ship.

    When was the last time the US lost a state of the art stealth aircraft to enemy action in a conflict... not that long ago... at least twice.... F-117 and of course super secret stealth drones that Iran seems to be able to detect and deal with easily enough too.

    The Alligator class is an old class of ship.

    It was scuttled to prevent the ammo on board exploding.

    In my eyes Ukraine proved to be much more tough and ready for fight

    Nazis were always tough against civilians, now they are using foreign volunteers as suicide squads... it seems they hate westerners more than westerners hate Russians... very amusing really. You deserve each other.

    - obviously has not much chance in direct confrontation in open space but urban warfare and guerilla tactics - they proved to be more than capable.

    But have they?

    The Russian forces are claimed in the west to have been stalled, but they seem to me to be holding positions blocking off urban areas and systematically breaking the Orc forces that attack them. Minor attacks on their convoys leads to them being shredded and their fighting capacity diminished, they really wont be able to keep this up much longer.

    Also it is interesting how Russia was not able to establish no fly zone over Ukraine.

    You mean the same way all of HATO couldn't manage that after 3 months in Kosovo?

    No fly zones are western propaganda... if the Ukraine is not a no fly zone why do Ukrainian aircraft and drones keep getting shot down?

    Why no HATO planes over Ukraine?

    We had a British ship a while ago sail into Crimean waters but we never had any HATO aircraft fly over Crimean territory... wonder why...

    Now chances for that are even less since West will help Ukraine with anti aircraft missiles.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.... that is like the Elephant Man helping with hair and makeup...

    What is Russia going to do with all these HATO weapons they will be capturing?

    - Ukraine is successful so far to increase human and material costs on Russian side quite high. Also it is leading in information war on global stage.

    They were always going to win the propaganda war in the west because western reporting is in the toilet, there is no critical thinking, they are just yes men sheep who report what they are told to report, but the problem for the west is that the rest of the world seems to have a much better understanding of what is actually going on and they seem to support Russia.

    The Wests colonial history is coming to bite it in the arse.

    Taking into consideration how much they are weaker side with modest resources it is very good result.

    Taking into consideration all they had to do was not become a nazi russophobic toilet that bans languages and demonises neighbours they certainly are the weaker side.... mentally... and are doomed to likely not be trusted by Russia or the west again... their future is being Albania...

    The one country that wants to trade with they they shun for the countries wanting them for this, if I was Ukrainian I would be taking those stingers and AT missiles the west gave us in to the EU with me for some fun.

    I suspect most will just settle for making good money selling them to the Russians.

    The sad thing is real people are dying in big scores for nothing basically.

    Not nothing.... it is all about hurting and destabilising Russia, but the actual effect will be to unifiy it and make it realise the west is corrosive and hard core colonial... to the point where they will support real nazis and ISIS, and other extremists with money and weapons and verbal support.

    It is what makes the west evil, but most in the west don't even notice or care... except when the price of coffee goes up or the price of fuel.

    Also many of those soldiers on both sides will develop PTSP, they and their families will suffer for years and decades to come...

    Hahaha... the monster with a heart... blame Russia and Putin for not putting out to the devil, while ignoring the crimes of the devil, but it is the Russian people that you are most upset about... perhaps that is why you openly support nazis and war criminals...

    I will add Russian forces are also way too much spread and low in supplies.

    That is western propaganda talking.

    Attack on couple of big axes proved unsustainable with the forces Russia send since Ukraine is just way too big country. In order to contninue with invasion Russia will need send much more people and equipment.

    Not at all... the central part of the country is where all the crops are and the west, well Russia is not interested in that shithole.

    They have the coast and came in from above and have trapped most of the Ukrainian army forward deployed in Donbass and Lugansk territory... it is a classic pincer movement to trap their armed forces in cauldrons... pretty simple and effective stuff.

    They just need to gradually take the towns in the south and eliminate the hard core nutters, sort out the people based on how they feel about Russia and Russians and then move on to the next town.

    They are cleaning house... can't be done overnight because the rat infestation is serious, but they are managing it.

    Ukraine is indeed low in ammunition and basics supplies, however country is not under weapons embargo and does have quite big financial assistance - so this situation will be overcome given there is couple of more weeks that they can keep this intensity of fighting. Time so far is on Ukrainian side.

    Most of their ammo and fuel stores have been destroyed and their main armed forces groups are cut off... any fighting on open territory and they are mincemeat.

    Time is not on their side because they have civilians to look after too and if those civilians turn against them they are in trouble.

    There is that opinion from Strelkov, that Russia spread out over too many axis.
    However he is thinking in terms of Blitzkrieg

    They had to neutralise their Navy and cutting them off from the Black Sea will be useful moving forward, and also have two pincers coming around the forward deployed Orc forces.

    The forces approaching Kiev.... well I don't think they should bother to take Kiev but having forces there is likely useful.

    Of course this you usually do when you have a numerical superiority, not inferiority.

    You don't need superiority in numbers if communication and tactics are good and your forces are well trained... coordinating air power and artillery makes your ground forces very powerful despite their low numbers.

    Just another delighted assole. Again, one among the many, whom people mistake as being neutral/objective source.

    I was told he was not Russophobic... yeah right...

    In the meantime american soldiers/mercenaries burning fields in Syria and Iraq and their politicians steal money from Afghan children.

    To be fair American troops were told by the CIA not to burn poppy crops in Afghanistan... so they helped with the crop there too... Twisted Evil

    Leave him alone. Like other pro US fanbois he is seeing how the russian hardware are working as advertized and it is eating him from the inside.

    Yeah, take a step back and the butt hurt is amusing... even FP is showing how wrong he is with some posts I have upvoted...

    I've requested GarryB to intervene.

    You have, but as far as I am concerned he has not crossed any lines yet.

    You guys insult the Ukies lol

    We do because if they weren't so fucking stupid this conflict would never have been necessary, but they are now dying for the American dream... and the more of them that die the better the future will be for Russia and the Ukraine considering they seem rather keen to take civilians on both sides with them.

    So its okay to insult the side you want to loose, a lot of Ukies are honest guys just defending their homeland from what they see a Russian Invasion and you celebrate their deaths.

    You mean like those Syrians and Iraqis you said you would kill if they didn't do as your country demanded, they are talking on the internet, while you claim to have done this shit for real.... interesting double standard you have there.

    So your request to ban him for saying the Russians are performing bad is just a dam joke but it does show your true colors, etc no better then the thing you claim to hate and be against.

    He can make any request he likes, but unlike western websites neither is being banned... not even you... and that makes us different.

    The best way to prove you wrong is to let you speak... the opposite of western values it seems.

    We have seen pictures of Tohrs ditched roadside, enough said and those pictures are real.

    Tor entered service in the 1980s, if it had a mechanical problem then towing it is not really a good solution.... being a military man you should know that any armoured force has follow up support forces that tow away vehicles and repair them.

    More than half the supposed abandonned Russian vehicles turn out to be ex Ukrainian vehicles that likely became useless a decade ago for lack of support and money like those Tunguskas burned in open storage...

    What a god dam disgraceful post, so anyone who is Ukie is a Nazi?

    The ones shelling civilians in the Donbass and Lugansk regions covered in swastika tattoos and with nazi symbols on their uniform seem to be.

    I don't think he should be banned because he is saying that Russia is doing badly, the big thing is, he from the west and west does war differently than Russia. So, he may not understand the tactics that Russia is using.

    If the Ukrainians were all enemies of Russia, then there would be no fighting in the Donbass and Lugansk regions... they are fighting over speaking a language and trading with Russia.

    I agree with this, this is how India. It may never change.

    Well the challenge for Russia and China is to create an international space where countries like India and South Africa and many other countries can see a future for themselves that does not involve the west, and the west is pushing Russia and China and other countries to find that alternative future without them.

    The west thinks by rejecting Russia and then taking on China that both will suffocate and die and shrivel up... the west cannot see a future for the human race where they are not in control.

    Funny the 1% of the 11% want to control the 100% by fighting Russia and China.

    Reminding the rest of the world is 89% of the worlds population is something very important and that most Russians and Chinese and Indians were forgetting... but not now... the western sales pitch sounds great... but when you get to taste it... well... have you seen the burgers at McDonalds in the adverts compared with what come in the little cardboard box?

    There are videos of droves, literal droves of dead Azovites from Mariupol being spread now. Gruesome as I said earlier.

    Looks like they were completely cornered and then just mowed down.

    They made the whole trip necessary... they don't want to have to do it again.

    Oh they are finally being honest they plan to annex most of ukraine if not all of it, good good.

    Not at all, what she is saying is that the current Ukrainian government wont be in charge of any of the regions or republics that will exist when this is done.

    In other words Zelensky wont be in charge of squat. He prepresents and cares about no one but himself.

    HATO has more combat aircraft than Russia.

    But it uses them for both air defence and also attack, which means operating against Russian forces with real air defence systems and anti aircraft missiles that are very very capable, both their attack and defence capacity is going to be wiped out very very quickly.... and as we saw in Afghanistan what HATO is like without air power.

    Won't happen, just a scare tactic

    She is not saying the Ukraine will be totally absorbed into the Russian Federation... what she is saying is that the clown and his regime has no future role in whatever the Ukraine decides to call itself and what it agrees to regarding boundaries and regions... obviously via referendum and elections.

    No Nazis or pro EU or pro US or pro HATO parties allowed.

    For the E3 not working good part: the attack on the "peacekeeping" = NATO base close to the polish border is proof of that. It was done mostly by air-launched cruise missiles fired from within russian airspace. The missiles were in the air for 2+ hours but the mercenaries at the base got no warning. Either the E3 radar isn´t as good as advertised, at least against low flying targets, or the Il-22PP bases in Belarus did some surgical jamming.

    Not to mention the Ukrainian Tu-141 that seemed to defeat HATO air defences rather easily... it is not fast and it is not stealthy and it does not fly particularly low.

    Putin left this between the lines at the last meeting with Macron: "in case of conflict, you won't even have time to invoke Article 5..."

    Putin knows war with HATO is suicide so I suspect he meant if the conflict starts it will go nuclear before HATO can get together and decide what to do.

    In case of a continental war, Russia must advance strongly to Germany to keep its industrial apparatus and resources. It is a weak country with a population of queers and homosexuals, but with a great industrial and technological capacity that Russia would do well to take over . It would not be a military problem, unlike France or Great Britain. Ukraine is stronger than Germany

    But that is the thing... I think Putin has had enough from the west, any fighting with HATO will be self defence, or more precisely eliminating a threat, so it wont be conventional... the west is not Russias friend or brother, they have made it clear over the years they want Russians dead or suffering so any open conflict with HATO will be a war of elimination... ie nuclear conflict to eliminate a threat... there wont be invasion or occupation... probably just turn off the gas and close the borders.

    I think that at least part of the Ukrainian territory will not return to Kiev. The south and east certainly don't. It will be an Afrin, a Golan. An "ad perpetuam" occupation.

    Not occupation.... the Russians will leave (not Crimea of course) but Donbass and Lugansk and other regions will be given the choice to form a federation or regions or one region or whatever they want, but no EU and no HATO or US.

    In my opinion, I don't think NATO is giving Ukraine combat assistance through the E-3 and other electronic warfare systems. If that happened, Russia would (rightly) consider it a military action and exercise its response.

    They will certainly be watching what the Russian forces are doing... just like they did from Turkey in Georgia in 2008 or more recently in Azerbaijan/Armenia/NK conflict.


    Thats right Mikey, as soon you dont agree with someone on a forum just ban him.

    He is American... not sure how you can disobey this american yet are so eager to jump into the fire for the 1% Americans in control of western media and the US.

    Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

    You don't understand... it is over.... there is no going back after this... Mr Putin has finally given up trying to be friends and partners with the west... you have won, he realises you are scum and want only genocide for your colonial conquests.

    Western leaders shaking their heads, western media demonising Putin for the last 17 or 18 years now... it is over... Russia is going to develop ties with the rest of the world and has given up on the west... this is a huge victory for the Russian people and is going to be something the west is going to have problems understanding and stomaching...

    No more cheap gas for europe, it will go to asia now.

    The beginning of the shift away from the west.

    The West will probably get Kiev to accept Russian demands, and then that will be that

    The west has had enormous ranges of options for compromise and peace and they wanted and have gotten war and their claims of war crimes and other bullshit is just their propaganda... fuckem.

    The west will have nothing to do with what Ukraine becomes.

    Well I dont agree with all your points but in general yes. But thanx for a serious response anyway.

    Repeating an entire conversation to post a one line response breaks the rules... lots of other people are doing it so this is a warning to everyone to stop doing that now please.




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    Post  RTN Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:22 am

    flamming_python wrote:Urban warfare - yes pretty good

    Guerilla tactics - depends if you count artillery ambushes as guerilla tactics. I guess they are. As for the ATGM stuff - it's a pinprick and those teams are rapidly demolished, same with the special forces.
    Russia clearly hasn't learnt much of urban warfare. Humor me, what was their takeaway from the Chechen wars?

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:26 am

    How is that Ukrainian propaganda? Does it seem to be going well for the Russians? They have stalled in thier progress and with a minimum of 7-10.000 kia just 4 weeks in its nothing but a disaster.

    I think after looking at these bioweapons labs and the threats of nuclear weapons in the hands of Zelensky that Putin might shift focus for the Russian military to start looking at more seriously dealing with bio weapon threats, and also building up Russias nuclear arsenal to ensure the proper exitinction of the west in case it is needed.

    New types of salted nuclear weapons that are really truely destructive and toxic to make sure there are really no survivors...

    But I suspect bio weapons... US funded experiments in Chinese labs show how such a bio weapon would spread because that is what Covid is, and American bio weapon... now that we know we can start to work to defend ourselves from them and their insidious evil plans.

    Humor me, what was their takeaway from the Chechen wars?

    Should have been that the west is trying to weaponise religious nutters in our country to use against us... perhaps we should do the same to them.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:39 am

    RTN wrote:
    Russia clearly hasn't learnt much of urban warfare. Humor me, what was their takeaway from the Chechen wars?

    They won.
    That is something that is an unknown experience for ya' Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  RTN Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:56 am

    flamming_python wrote:Some sort of beam-riding RPG-type system with good optics and a thermobaric warhead, for urban fighting
    Have you ever seen the size of the RPG warhead or even the launcher? Where is the real estate to fit beam riding sensors?

    That's why bean riding is reserved for missiles like Kornet.

    ALAMO wrote:
    They won.
    That is something that is an unknown experience for ya' Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
    Yeah right. Thousands of Russian soldiers dead. An Islamic jihadi strongman still calling the shots in Chechnya and we are told Russia won.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:02 am

    walle83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

    You should stop drinking ukrainian propaganda... try water it's very good for your body.


    How is that Ukrainian propaganda? Does it seem to be going well for the Russians? They have stalled in thier progress and with a minimum of 7-10.000 kia just 4 weeks in its nothing but a disaster.

    The 10,000 KIA is the same source that claims 112 helicopters downed and 94 planes

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:16 am

    RTN wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Urban warfare - yes pretty good

    Guerilla tactics - depends if you count artillery ambushes as guerilla tactics. I guess they are. As for the ATGM stuff - it's a pinprick and those teams are rapidly demolished, same with the special forces.
    Russia clearly hasn't learnt much of urban warfare. Humor me, what was their takeaway from the Chechen wars?

    Well they're clearly taking a city the size of Grozny within 3 weeks now

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:19 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Urban warfare - yes pretty good

    Guerilla tactics - depends if you count artillery ambushes as guerilla tactics. I guess they are. As for the ATGM stuff - it's a pinprick and those teams are rapidly demolished, same with the special forces.
    Russia clearly hasn't learnt much of urban warfare. Humor me, what was their takeaway from the Chechen wars?

    Well they're clearly taking a city the size of Grozny within 3 weeks now
    Mariupol?
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:36 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Mariupol?

    I guess that is what he meant, but that is wrong.
    Grozny is about double in an area compared to Mariupol.
    The number of inhabitants is hard to compare, Grozny was about the size of Mariupol but before all that shit hit the fan back in 1992. I would not dare to estimate the number of civilians living there, neither in 1994 nor 1999.
    Plus Grozny was taken in about 5 weeks at 2nd round.
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    Post  Arrow Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:48 am

    The question is, what are the Russians' plans towards Kharkiv and Odessa? These are much larger cities than Mariupol. scratch
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:00 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Mariupol?

    I guess that is what he meant, but that is wrong.
    Grozny is about double in an area compared to Mariupol.
    The number of inhabitants is hard to compare, Grozny was about the size of Mariupol but before all that shit hit the fan back in 1992. I would not dare to estimate the number of civilians living there, neither in 1994 nor 1999.
    Plus Grozny was taken in about 5 weeks at 2nd round.

    Number of inhabitants was about the same

    About the area, I don't know what it was in 1994/1999, but Mariupol as it is is not a compact city.

    Arrow wrote:The question is, what are the Russians' plans towards Kharkiv and Odessa? These are much larger cities than Mariupol. scratch

    Anyone's guess

    I'd assume Kharkov is a priority target

    But then the Ukr side assumed that too and have no reinforced it further

    It may simply be cut-off and bypassed.
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    Post  Erk Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:20 am

    Arrow wrote:The question is, what are the Russians' plans towards Kharkiv and Odessa?  These are much larger cities than Mariupol. scratch

    We already know the Russian plans for the special operation, protect Donbass, demilitarize Ukraine and deNazify.

    I have not seen them announce anything else.

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    Post  BliTTzZ Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:25 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    BliTTzZ wrote:I am very curious about how fast Polish army will crumble and Poland will be shred into pieces once they dare to attack Russian forces in Ukraine?
    Because Russians won't be babysitting with Poles like they do with Ukrainians.

    Nothing will happen to Poland

    But any Polish units that do enter will be targeted and that's just a fact
    I slightly disagree with that. If Poland will use it's air force and long range armament from Polish territory, there won't be some local retaliation from Russia. And this time it will be American style destruction.

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