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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:20 pm

    Remember the arab spring represented a brief desire for democracy and was quickly culled by 10 years of war

    For Ukraine It's similar,  post maidan fatigue drags for 8 years, and this brutal war will extinguish the Ukrainian nationalist sentiment

    It is done by fatigue or great sanguination

    Zelensky reminds me of the FSA leadership who dreamed of taking Damascus

    Zelensky will go the way of the FSA leadership

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:23 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Above all it's necessary to refrain from any more 'punishing' strikes such as the one against the barracks of the regiment in Nikolayev. Yes those guys were annoying and conducted some artillery strikes, but it's quite horrifying to just level a barracks like that, whose commander was too dumb to deploy his troops to patrols and field positions before beginning combat actions.

    Such 'demoralization' attacks are associated with the Nazis from WW2. It's going to horrify a lot of people and wipe out any chance of sympathy, especially since a certain proportion of these servicemen are local.

    Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
    They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.
    The Russians don't need sympathy from Ukraine's servicemen. They need them broken, their morale shaken so they won't commit to fighting Russia. Failing that, dead. Jesus Christ do you really want to lose this war?

    Why not commit some atrocities while we're at it, to really break them

    I'm sorry, but you're reading the NATO playbook here, and the Nazi one before that

    If we set up our mission as a liberation of Ukrainian territory, and de-Nazification, then anything that makes us look like barbarians should be avoided at all cost. All stupid speeches about the Ukraine being the result of territorial presents, etc.. included.

    Of course Ukrainian troops should be engaged there where they pose a threat or engage in combat action. But hitting them in their barracks is brutality. Hit them when they're out on the field instead.
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:26 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    That's the problem

    Those decimated Ukrainian forces all have fathers, mothers, sisters, kids

    Any such conflict should be kept as short as possible and with as few casualties as possible, not only for the Russian side but also for the Ukrainian side

    The failure to convince the Ukrainian military that Russia is not there to harm them, or destroy the Ukraine as a state - is not only due to Ukrainian regime propaganda, but also our own political leadership's failures at explaining what we're there to do, and the failure of Russian ideology (which is basically Russian nationalism) to find much appeal in the Ukraine except in ethnic Russian areas.

    The Ukrainian military was directly responsible for 15,000 civilian deaths of their own citizens. Fathers, mothers, sons, daughters - just the same they got shelled to bits, all for having the temerity to maintain their native tongue and refusing to relinquish their culture.

    This is an organization that deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth.

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    Post  par far Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:26 pm

    This is so fucked, maybe I have never been to a war zone, is why this just breaks me.

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    Post  psg Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:29 pm

    RTN

    Sorry can't link the post, but for your further reading refer to the UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News #2, posts 605, 607 and firing tests post 651.


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    Post  Broski Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:30 pm

    flamming_python wrote:That's the problem

    Those decimated Ukrainian forces all have fathers, mothers, sisters, kids
    Which is why Russia has given them ample opportunities to surrender as they're not interested in annihilating the conscript forces.
    Any such conflict should be kept as short as possible and with as few casualties as possible, not only for the Russian side but also for the Ukrainian side
    Which is what Russia's doing right now.
    The failure to convince the Ukrainian military that Russia is not there to harm them
    Russia never said that, of course they'll kill the Orcs if they fight. What else are they supposed to do? 
    or destroy the Ukraine as a state
    The Ukrainians did that all by themselves by allowing Neonazis to come to power, now Russia is left to clean up their mess.
     is not only due to Ukrainian regime propaganda, but also our own political leadership's failures at explaining what we're there to do
    Demilitarization and Denazification, you imbecile. If the average Ukrainian has the same level of intellect as you then I understand why they find Putin's words hard to comprehend.
    ,and the failure of Russian ideology (which is basically Russian nationalism) to find much appeal in the Ukraine except in ethnic Russian areas.
    Russia isn't there to impose their ideology on the Ukrainians, but to remove a existential threat to their homeland.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:35 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Why not commit some atrocities while we're at it, to really break them

    I'm sorry, but you're reading the NATO playbook here, and the Nazi one before that

    Germans had families in Dresden too, so what they love USA now. Not Russians.



    If we set up our mission as a liberation of Ukrainian territory, and de-Nazification, then anything that makes us look like barbarians should be avoided at all cost. All stupid speeches about the Ukraine being the result of territorial presents, etc.. included.

    Of course Ukrainian troops should be engaged there where they pose a threat or engage in combat action. But hitting them in their barracks is brutality. Hit them when they're out on the field instead.

    of course into lets not bomb Wehrmacht behind the frontlines. Especially when war with the 3rd Reich could be avoided. Political failure too. Incompetent Stalin.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:39 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    Why not commit some atrocities while we're at it, to really break them

    I'm sorry, but you're reading the NATO playbook here, and the Nazi one before that

    Germans had families in Dresden too, so what they love USA now. Not Russians.



    If we set up our mission as a liberation of Ukrainian territory, and de-Nazification, then anything that makes us look like barbarians should be avoided at all cost. All stupid speeches about the Ukraine being the result of territorial presents, etc.. included.

    Of course Ukrainian troops should be engaged there where they pose a threat or engage in combat action. But hitting them in their barracks is brutality. Hit them when they're out on the field instead.

    of course into lets not bomb Wehrmacht behind the frontlines.  Especially when war with the 3rd  Reich could be avoided. Political failure too.  Incompetent Stalin.

    Fact of the matter is that we attacked a sovereign state and are now talking about breaking the morale of their soldiers by wiping them out in mass strikes.

    Whatever the nature of the regime there.. such a strategy would be hideous. I hope that's not what our command is thinking.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    Why not commit some atrocities while we're at it, to really break them

    I'm sorry, but you're reading the NATO playbook here, and the Nazi one before that

    Germans had families in Dresden too, so what they love USA now. Not Russians.



    If we set up our mission as a liberation of Ukrainian territory, and de-Nazification, then anything that makes us look like barbarians should be avoided at all cost. All stupid speeches about the Ukraine being the result of territorial presents, etc.. included.

    Of course Ukrainian troops should be engaged there where they pose a threat or engage in combat action. But hitting them in their barracks is brutality. Hit them when they're out on the field instead.

    of course into lets not bomb Wehrmacht behind the frontlines.  Especially when war with the 3rd  Reich could be avoided. Political failure too.  Incompetent Stalin.

    Fact of the matter is that we attacked a sovereign state and are now talking about breaking the morale of their soldiers by wiping them out in mass strikes.

    Whatever the nature of the regime there.. such a strategy would be hideous. I hope that's not what our command is thinking.




    You win wars by wiping out the other side's troops. That is done in the course of combat. To restrain from killing enemy troops in combat, that do not surrender, is extremely dumb.

    Ukrainian prisoners-of-war do not get exterminated.



    As for the Ukrainians, they had no problem wiping out civilians of other nationalities in the past.


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944



    I wonder what you have to say about it?

    They deserved it?

    Nobody was exterminating ethnic Ukrainians in the inter-war Poland.



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:51 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    of course into lets not bomb Wehrmacht behind the frontlines.  Especially when war with the 3rd  Reich could be avoided. Political failure too.  Incompetent Stalin.

    Fact of the matter is that we attacked a sovereign state and are now talking about breaking the morale of their soldiers by wiping them out in mass strikes.

    Whatever the nature of the regime there.. such a strategy would be hideous. I hope that's not what our command is thinking.



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    I'm so relieved the you wouldn't mind millions of Russians killed by bio or nuclear weapons made in Ukraine (with US support of course).  
    Ukrainian army shooting Ukrainian civilians in Doneck is also ok.  Just responding to this or preventing more genocide is an epic  failure?

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:54 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Fact of the matter is that we attacked a sovereign state and are now talking about breaking the morale of their soldiers by wiping them out in mass strikes.

    Whatever the nature of the regime there.. such a strategy would be hideous. I hope that's not what our command is thinking.

    These are the same people that launch Ballistic missiles with cluster warheads a few days ago against citizens that are non-combatants.
    They can make an white flag, tie it to an stick and surrender, or get their ticket's punched by Russian Ordnance.

    I'd have no problem pulling the trigger and wasting them by the hundreds. Opportunities like this are to be taken advantage of immediately.
    And yes, they are an valid military target.

    People can judge me later, But for me it means more Russians Troops get home alive to their family's when this is done.

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:55 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Forpost-R dropping KAB-20

    so forposts have some aiming pods to use dumb bombs?

    KAB-20 is guided.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:59 pm

    Hole wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Forpost-R dropping KAB-20

    so forposts have some aiming pods to use dumb bombs?

    KAB-20 is guided.

    Like all "KAB", that states for "korigovana aviacionnaya bomba", "guided air bomb".

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:10 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:The daily production rate of ...
    Iskander 1+ (365 per year ?)
    Kalibr 3+ (~1000 per year ?)
    CH-47M2 1+ (365 per year ?)
    is?

    Propably close to the truth. Now you have to consider how long the stuff is in production. The ballistic missiles for Iskander are in production for roughly 20 years. This could mean a stockpile of 5.000+ missiles. The cruise missile is in production for 10+ years which could result in 2.000 - 3.000 missiles. Plus Kaliber (a few thousand?) and air launched Kh-101 and Kh-555 (1.000+?) and already some 300+ Kinzhals. Then there are Onyx and Bal...

    Even if the real numbers are a little bit lower, I doubt that the Russian Armed Forces are running out of missiles soon.

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:12 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 Fotkin10
    Belarussian troop movements.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 Fnzhej10
    Western front coming?

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    Post  Regular Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:21 pm

    How many BY troops can be deployed? Ukraine doesn't have too many troops in the rear, but how effective Belarussian army is?

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:23 pm

    So with Zelensky warning about WW3 if the talks fail, I think the plan is for a NATO no-fly zone using air defense systems

    With him being in Poland in safety of course


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:23 pm

    RU MoD says they hit another large barracks, this time near the BLR border, Ovruch, Zhitomir region. They say "100+ eliminated", including western mercs and SOF instructors

    Haven't seen anything about it elsewhere yet, but it's a MoD statement, so.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:28 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Not good.

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    😭

    A dreamer. Great man.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:49 pm

    TOS 1 of People's Militia of the DPR hits the positions of the national battalions near Mariupol



    Satan, taking an look into our realm at TOS-1 as the next batch of Nazi troops arrive at the gates....
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:53 pm

    https://t.me/intelslava/23005

    Strike at Ovruch Zhytomyr

    It appears this is the reason for positions of Belarusian troops

    Mass strikes occur across the southwestern Belarus border

    There is no relief for Kiev

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:56 pm

    The rumors of Krivoy Rog were confirmed

    Troops are entering the city

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:58 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The rumors of Krivoy Rog were confirmed

    Troops are entering the city

    Did they negotiate a surrender?
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:58 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The rumors of Krivoy Rog were confirmed

    Troops are entering the city

    Did the city agree to surrender as Oleg Tsarev asked?

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    Post  Mir Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:59 pm

    RTN wrote:
    From the late Soviet era till date these rockets are NOT fire and forget. You have an operator sitting in a helo who has to constantly send co ordinates to these rockets.
    Guided rockets refers to rockets like the Thales FZ275 LGR that is coupled with a MX-15D electro-optical system from L3 Wescam.
    Another example is BAE's APKWS https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/apkws

    You mentioned that the Russians can't produce guided rockets if I remember correctly? Anyway "fire and forget" rockets are quite useless against serious air defense opposition as they are short range weapons. This will bring the launching aircraft well within the danger zone. Better to have long range "fire and forget" missiles with a much longer reach.

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