Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

You should stop drinking ukrainian propaganda... try water it's very good for your body.

walle83 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

par far wrote:

walle83 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:NATO will not deploy troops in Ukraine to avoid war with Russia - Alliance Secretary General Stoltenberg, responding to Poland's proposal to send a peacekeeping mission to Ukraine.

NATO shit it's panties big surprise,  no asswhooping for now

Probably the opposite. The war has shown that Russian convential forces are not that good, and probably would get thier ass kicked in a confrontation with Nato forces.

What people in the west don't understand is that the Russian forces in Ukraine are the 2nd and 3rd tier of the Russian armed forces. The 1st tier are being saved in case of a conflict with NATO/US.

Another thing people in the west don't understand is that Russia needs to live right next to Ukraine, so the American way of doing war is not right here(American way is to bomb a country for months, sent in their ground forces and delcare victory).

Russia does not want to destroy Ukraine, it wants to capture it, as much of it intact as possible.

Walle is a piece of shit dude. He is from Sweden. He is just a typical retard spewing nonsense while Garry let's him. His fag army lost against taliban while Russia is actually going against a full fledged army better equipped than anyone they ever fought.

I am requesting GarryB to ban him as he insults the Russian army whom is sacrificing themselves for a better future.  Others were banned for a lot less.

Leave him alone. Like other pro US fanbois he is seeing how the russian hardware are working as advertized and it is eating him from the inside.

I've requested GarryB to intervene.

Thats right Mikey,  as soon you dont agree with someone on a forum just ban him.
Thats one way to have a one side only debate. Reading yours and others responses relly makes me doubt the admins responsebility here. Gess you can get away with murder here as long as you only support Russia.
I relly dont give a rats ass what you and mr Garry do or say. Meanwhile I gladly continue to be a nail in your eye.

Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

Russian forces have definitely fucked up, or rather Russian leadership and political-military strategists have

But the situation is really not so dire as you paint

They've achieved a 1:5 - 1:6 kill ratio to date and that's only increasing as the Ukrainians are deprived of more and more of their artillery, fuel, ammo and other things. It's an entirely unwinnable war for the Ukrainian military.

The real problem is all attempts at destabilizing the Kiev authorities, splitting the Ukrainian military from the political leadership, setting up some kind of alternative government or bringing the Ukrainian people to their side have failed, or not been properly attempted.
This is evident from Russia's soft tactics in the first days, more than once changing its approach over the past month, the Rosgvardia chief admitting that Russian forces have not as advanced to the extent that they would have liked, Putin's appeal to the Ukrainian military to stop defending their regime which fell on deaf ears, Russians being ambushed in Kharkov after casually strolling in there in expectation the city would be handed over, Russians not setting up any administrations in the towns it passed through other than in Kherson, the attempts at ultimatums and negotiations which went nowhere, Russian reported surprise at the European counter-reaction and cohesion, etc...

In short they're idiots and criminals. Anyone could have told them these things would happen, especially given the way they went around doing them

And the only way now to achieve 'denazificiation' and 'demilitarization' is brute force, which is what's being done now, although at least all Ukrainian units in the rear areas such as Odessa and Western Ukraine have been left alone.
I don't know if any of this will achieve anything other than pilling on more corpses.
The West will probably get Kiev to accept Russian demands, and then that will be that.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Mariupol has fallen, according to DNR guys. Azovites were slaughtered en masse at the very end, extremely gruesome.

Not yet

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#Izyum is confirmed by #Russia|n MoD. I am waiting for one more journalist I follow to confirm. As it was, these were #Ukraine|ian troops in a complete cauldron, stuck with a river on 3 sides, with Russia having encircled them from the south. They were lost a long time ago.

The fighting had shifted to #Kamenka, with #Russia taking control and #Ukraine|ian troops popping in and out, as they attempt to prevent #RF taking control of the #Pavlograd supply line and encauldroning the #Donbass military grouping. That’s where the fight is, #Izyum is done.

#Popasnaya is still contested, with #LNR in the east of the city, and #Ukraine in the western reaches. #LNR troops progressing from the north, having flown around the #Severodonetsk-#Lisichansk stronghold, intending evidently to join with Popasnay units to shut this cauldron off.

Hard strikes on remaining UA military assets in Dnipro now.

Western observers have put UA:RU losses at 6:1 recently.

They are slowly but surely approaching the actual figures.

walle83 wrote:
Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

@GarryB, that foe list better not have an limit on it.

LMFS wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Mariupol has fallen, according to DNR guys. Azovites were slaughtered en masse at the very end, extremely gruesome.

Not yet

Still some that remain holed up?

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

LMFS wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Mariupol has fallen, according to DNR guys. Azovites were slaughtered en masse at the very end, extremely gruesome.

Not yet

Still some that remain holed up?

Yeah still at the Azov steel plant, and in the central areas of the city. But these have been cut off from each other by now effectively

Best photo I've seen so far. Fire looks to be in the hold and the front doors are open. No other fire apparent nearby at that moment.

wally wrote:
Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

This is not a fact but your judgement.  Leaders shake their heads long time planning attack on Russia.  Putin just hit first. Not waiting till NA(to)ZI hit with nukes and bio weapons.

Talking about competences what are yours regarding military operations?

FPython wrote:In short they're idiots and criminals. Anyone could have told them these things would happen, especially given the way they went around doing them

Im so glad you are none in Russian govt. Russia ceased to exist long time ago with your approach. Just wait till they bomb you.

flamming_python wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

LMFS wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Mariupol has fallen, according to DNR guys. Azovites were slaughtered en masse at the very end, extremely gruesome.

Not yet

Still some that remain holed up?

Yeah still at the Azov steel plant, and in the central areas of the city. But these have been cut off from each other by now effectively

Right. I guess it's about a few hundred tops, barricaded in civilian buildings, like the other ones were.

Gotta hand it to them, they are very good at just slithering away, like snakes,

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NATO has expressed concern that most of the delivered weapons do not reach the combat units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but end up in the hands of various paramilitary groups and extremists.

Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov pointed out the high probability that these weapons will spread around the world and Europe itself.



This is 50 Unimog ambulances from Germany. I wonder if they went all the way into Ukraine by train.

Arkanghelsk wrote: The Ukrainian leadership missed its chance for a sovereign state, - the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova

"They have already missed the main chance for the existence of Ukraine within their own borders, a sovereign Ukraine, an independent Ukraine," she said.

If you read between the diplomatic lines and Zakharova does not carry a gag, then this can be understood in such a way that a course has been taken for the annexation of Ukraine.

Not really, I interpret it as Ukraine turned into a vassal of the US and now it will become 404 at all effects. Not necessarily that it will be annexed, but that its statehood as we know it is lost, which is a fact already with Crimea, LDNR gone, soon Kherson to follow and even Lvov organizing their own military forces for their own defence. The turd is finally being flushed down the toilet, to put it briefly...

Updates

1) The Russian military launched a missile strike on a military facility in the Dnipropetrovsk region, - the East Air Command

2) Ukrainian authorities: 3,343 people were evacuated through humanitarian corridors within 24 hours

3) The United States, the European Union and largely western allies have blocked Belarus' bid to join the World Trade Organization, saying its complicity in Russia's invasion of Ukraine makes it unfit for membership in the global trade group

4) The U.N. atomic watchdog hopes to deploy around 15 to 20 staff to Ukraine's nuclear facilities if an agreement with Kyiv and Moscow is reached on ensuring safety there, a U.S. congressman said on Thursday after a meeting with the watchdog's chief

5) President Biden says he thinks Russia should be removed from the G20. But it'll depend on G20 members. He added that if it can't happen, he believes Ukraine should be allowed to attend the G20 meetings

6) We would respond." US President Biden wouldn't give any details, but said there would be a response should Russia use chemical weapons in Ukraine

7) If Russia President Putin were to use WMDs in Ukraine "the consequences would be very, very severe" but you "have to have an ambiguity about your response," says @BorisJohnson to reporters following @NATO meeting
Also The G7 warns Russia against the use of nuclear or chemical/ biological weapons in Ukraine

8 ) Unknown people left a pig's head outside Ekho Moskvy editor Alexei Venediktov's apartment and put a Ukrainian crest sticker on his door with "Judensau" – Jewish pig" – written on it

9) At least 14 missiles for Iskander missile system could be transported near Rechitsa. This afternoon, the transportation of at least 14 boxes, which are used to transfer Iskander missiles, was spotted on the M10 highway from Rechitsa (Gomel region) towards Gomel

10) NATO's Supreme Allied Commander has activated the alliance's chemical, biological and radiological "defense elements" out of concern that a possible chemical attack by Russia may spill over Ukraine's border

11) Burning Russian Landing Ship at Berdiansk visible in satellite imagery from earlier today. Also visible are the two other Ropucha class landing ships, one sailing in circles. Various tugs and smaller craft rushing around. (FAKE FAKE FAKE see the picture since when did ships sit on land? Looks more like a warehouse on fire)

They think it's christmas.

If they need that much it means the ones already delivered were pretty shitty since they downed very few choppers and planes.


Zachary Cohen
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Scooplet: Ukraine has told the US it needs 500 Stinger missiles & 500 Javelin missiles PER DAY, according to an updated wishlist for military assistance obtained by CNN.

List reflects what Ukraine says is growing need for US-made anti-aircraft & anti-tank weapons

The pig's head smells of Jussie Smollet theater. It does not fit any pattern and nobody really cares for a has been radio personality.
By contrast, attacks on ethnic Russians in U-rope smell of the 1930s.

ArgentinaGuard wrote:In case of a continental war, Russia must advance strongly to Germany to keep its industrial apparatus and resources. It is a weak country with a population of queers and homosexuals, but with a great industrial and technological capacity that Russia would do well to take over . It would not be a military problem, unlike France or Great Britain. Ukraine is stronger than Germany

Have to disagree. Germans can happily live in their country, as far as they are not a threat to Russia. It is really simple. Russia has their industry, every bit as good as the German, and forcing anyone to do what they do not want is not only perverse but above all it does not work in the long run

Eugenio Argentina wrote:In my opinion, I don't think NATO is giving Ukraine combat assistance through the E-3 and other electronic warfare systems. If that happened, Russia would (rightly) consider it a military action and exercise its response.

OBVIOUSLY they are doing it, and are telling it openly. Providing thousands and thousands of ATGM, MANPADS etc etc etc is not different in any way

LMFS wrote:

Eugenio Argentina wrote:In my opinion, I don't think NATO is giving Ukraine combat assistance through the E-3 and other electronic warfare systems. If that happened, Russia would (rightly) consider it a military action and exercise its response.

OBVIOUSLY they are doing it, and are telling it openly. Providing thousands and thousands of ATGM, MANPADS etc etc etc is not different in any way

Awacs are flying 400km away. They see nothing from there.

The manpads they give are from vietnam war. Useless.

Atgm are already present in huge number in ukrainian inventory. Sending more won't change the situation.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ukraines army even with all the side pieces is not 400k.

Actually.........

Ukraine before the war had around

250,000 personnel
220,000 reservists
70,000 national guard (with 40k of that neo Nazi battalions)
Territorial defence forces 35,000 with a further 140,000 reservists
borders guards 50,000
Police force 120,000

During the war
Mercenaries 20,000+

Forced conscription of males 18-65yrs would be tens of millions
Current statics for ages 16-49yrs is 11,149,646,
Although it's most likely some have fled or will be guarding military fuel, ammo, storage bases, key infrastructure in the west of the country. Although largely these untrained armed civilians now come troops will not be much use at best free up some trained solders, distribute aid, help retain law and order assisting police on looters etc, helping cordon off areas, help emergency services this is what they will be used for majority won't see frontline, as it would be bad news if battalions of untrained so-called soldiers being taken as POW.

So it's well over 400,000 even with death toll included.

Shoigu hasn't been answering US calls

It's unclear if the hotline is operating currently, only contacts between low-level officials

Something's coming

Yep yep yep, no deconfliction line

See em , wack em

Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

That's an opinion that is difficult to substantiate. The Ukrainians have nearly a 2:1 advantage in manpower, and have Western training and weapons. Yet they haven't been able to mount even one sustained counterattack after a full month of war.