Decline of the western society #3

flamming_python wrote:
Well raising kids and caring for relatives is its own reward. Not everything has to have monetary value to have value.
Money only comes into play in wider society. Yet before society you have a smaller and tighter social unit; the family - for which you provide and contribute to without a currency. And in return you get the same treatment back.

But nevertheless this analysis is from the 19th century. All modern forms of capitalism have taken aboard a bunch of social policies which exactly include providing government care for the elderly, the sick, as well as kindergardens and schools for helping parents with their kids and often some sort of child or maternal support too.

After all the criticism is quite correct; without the kids there can no future labour and surplus value, without government care for the elderly people will have to take time off work to do it themselves, without welfare you'd have more crime-related expenses and so on.
Of course I'm not saying it comes for free. It comes out of the taxes, and the taxes come out from the poor more than from out of the rich. But at least with such measures, capitalism has made itself a little more self-sustaining than it was before.

Why the specific globalist capitalism you have in the West though isn't concerned with birth-rates specifically has a separate explanation. Namely, because these societies depend on immigration for providing a future work force, and for fulfilling ideological goals such as diluting nationalism among the peoples indigenous to their own territories, and thus allowing larger and more centralized unions of territory in the future such as the same EU.
And while these countries can remain at the top of the food chain with their control of major world currencies, world banks and other financial voodoo - then they will always receive immigration so they don't have much to worry about, or so they might think.

This is at its core a rephrasing of the "Evil Rich" nonsense that we see from our local communist.

Here's the other reason for mass-importation, because your welfare state (that is causing most of the infertility problems) needs to be maintained else you will have a very angry populace to deal with, and you can't have that it could endanger your grand plans.
So in order to keep power, they must import in mass in order to keep the welfare state afloat.

Here's the issue, in the U.S you have the Mexicans, fairly manageable people with the exception of drugs and crime, but nothing that will threaten those in power.

In Europe on the other hand, the have the Muslims, a very difficult to manage people even in their own countries, the notion that the pathetic and impotent Europeans can manage this is laughable, these people have grand plans of their own, and they will threaten the ruling powers.

So what makes sense for the U.S, make no sense whatsoever for Europe.

flamming_python wrote:Why the specific globalist capitalism you have in the West though isn't concerned with birth-rates specifically has a separate explanation. Namely, because these societies depend on immigration for providing a future work force, and for fulfilling ideological goals such as diluting nationalism among the peoples indigenous to their own territories, and thus allowing larger and more centralized unions of territory in the future such as the same EU.
And while these countries can remain at the top of the food chain with their control of major world currencies, world banks and other financial voodoo - then they will always receive immigration so they don't have much to worry about, or so they might think.

Actually the author also briefly and indirectly mentioned it, too.

A terrorist who Feels nostalgic to his past.

Germany is always on the wrong side of history.

Norwegian Minister of Culture and Equality, Lubna Jafri stripped off her clothes in solidarity with the so-called “gay community".

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GarryB wrote:So refugees fleeing persecution and genocide in Palestine has to declare Israels right to exist... what about Yugoslavias right to exist, or Russias right to exist?

Germany committed the first genocide of the 20th century in 1904-1908 in Namibia , I'm wondering why the "German collective guilt" is not helping Namibia now!

Well it's clear the western world has accepted that it's okay for Palestinians to pay the price to fix the European "Jewish Problem".

I was trying to understand this complicated relations and commitment from Germany towards israel, i found interested history and facts .

Olaf said "Israeli security is Germany’s 'reason of state.

Merkel in 2008 said 'Israel's security is an element of Germany's "reason of state".'

Germany has paid israel more than 80b€ (1952-2021)  as a compensation of the holocaust.

West germany has expanded ports, established railways ,built factories and water pipelines in israel since 1950.

Well it's not only  about holocaust , actually west Germany had economic and political goals agaist east Germany
which was under the USSR , west Germany tried to appease US by supporting israel so that US would support West G againt the East part.

In 1990 Germany gave 3 Dolphine submarines to israel, nearly free ones .

In 2012 israel signed a contract for more four submarines and Germany paid most of the cost to protect the stolen economic zone in Med sea .

Olaf in 2022 proposed the ESSI as an air shield in Europe against Russia and he signed a contract with israel to purchase the Arrow 3 AD system .

"Collective guilt" is a digusting notion. It ignores the fact that Nazi Germany was a dictatorship in which a few people had the privileges to dictate the policy of the country and enforce their racist ideology on the whole population regardless of what the people really think. And now the whole population have to "collectively" bear the responsibility of the ones that escaped Germany with the help of USA, to live in wealth and luxury in Canada, in Peru, in Argentina, without having any remorse about what they did.

It also ignore the fact that East Germany, the socialist Germany, was a staunch supporter of Palestinian national liberation. Yes, the same people of Germany, but the result was drastically different when they lived under a government that allowed them to said the truth about the fascist regime of Tel Aviv.

Collective guilt is wrong, but it's basically how humans instinctively behave

The whole reason the Nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews is because they assigned to them collective guilt, and collective responsibility for how the entire population was allegedly acting as part of a collective consciousness that pinched wealth and acted as a parasite off the back of the gentiles rich and poor, yielding profits in turn only for the benefit of themselves, while instigating revolution against those regimes what wouldn't bend to them, and so on.
Basically the Nazis took the entire spectrum of action, beliefs, behaviours by a huge range of Jewish individuals, sects, family-clans, and political movements that had Jewish participation, including those which existed in contradiction to each other, and across a wide range of historical epochs and nations, and after tallying up all these sins, they assigned them to each and every Jew.

And equally the Germans were assigned collective guilt in turn, though of course not to the same extent.

East Germany had no time for Israel and so simply abrogated all responsibility for Hitler's crimes on account of them being communists, whereby the communists of course were Hitler's first victims, even before the Jews. And they were quite correct in this logic.

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From Tariq Ali:
"Labour's vote share decreased by 6.9% in the most deprived parts of Britain. Politicians and pundits can deride populism but it doesn't come out of nowhere. When people see their communities fall into decline and they feel worse off, they will look for answers elsewhere."

West is so Concerned about Russia but is quick to prostitute itself to Mohammed  

The West has become a totalitarian sect, by Dmitry Orekhov, writer, for VZGLYAD. 07.23.2024.

The modern Atlanticist West has turned into a huge quasi-religious sect that dreams of crushing its internal dissenters and then subjugating the entire world. Talking to its representatives about other countries and civilizations having their own values ​​and interests is like talking about the beauty of an old Moscow church with Krishnaites or Jehovah's Witnesses*.

You watch any interview given by Foreign Minister Lavrov or President Putin to foreign media, and it’s always the same. A representative of the Western media asks a question – deliberately provocative and mocking. In response, there is a calm exposition of our position, listing some well-known facts, with an explanation that should be understandable even to a schoolchild, with a reference not even to our values, but to Western ones. But let’s look at the one who asked the question. He’s not listening! There’s contempt on his face, his eyes are glassy, ​​he nods ironically, and all his strength, apparently, is directed only at showing the world with every muscle of his face: he hasn’t doubted, hasn’t caved in, hasn’t let the “dictator” or his cronies “confuse” him. This approach, in which the possibility of dialogue is deliberately taboo, makes you think. After all, such glassy eyes, demonstrative behavior, and ritual gestures are found in totalitarian sects.

All this, in fact, had already been predicted by Marcuse and other philosophers of the Frankfurt School. Back in the sixties of the twentieth century, they declared that Western society was degenerating into a monolithic totalitarian system, into a mechanism where an individual was relegated to the role of a cog or a gear. And the analogy with a sect is very appropriate here: sectarians are precisely people-cogs, incapable of independent action.

Something similar is now being discussed by Noam Chomsky, who has long called the US a totalitarian country in which “consent production” is systematically carried out. Chomsky believes that a huge part of the US population “professes an alternative reality devoid of factual foundations,” and clings to it “with religious tenacity.” According to him, “access to information in the US is limited,” “the dominant rhetoric is imposed on society,” and “those who disagree are immediately turned into outcasts.” Chomsky directly says that the US has become “the main terrorist force” on the planet, although they still “sing odes to the magnificence of their democratic system.”

The method of "manufacturing consent" has its own history in America. During the First World War, a large-scale operation was carried out in the USA to reprogram the consciousness of the population with demonstrative beatings of those who disagreed. When all countries of the world, including Soviet Russia, still demanded "loyalty of actions", in America they had already begun to achieve "loyalty of thoughts". Not content with traditional methods of state coercion, they began to create universal mechanisms of control over the masses, built on methods of manipulation.

It was these campaigns under President Woodrow Wilson that led John Goldberg to declare that "modern totalitarianism first appeared in the West not in Italy or Germany but in the United States of America" ​​and that "America became a fascist country during the First World War." In his book on liberal fascism, Goldberg asks rhetorically: "How else can one describe a country that created the world's first modern propaganda ministry; where thousands of opponents of the regime were persecuted, beaten, hunted down, and imprisoned for merely expressing their opinions; where the head of the nation accused foreigners and immigrants of "injecting the poison of treason and betrayal into the blood of America"; where newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government, and nearly a hundred thousand government propaganda agents were sent among the people to ensure support for the regime and the state's war policies; where university professors forced their colleagues to swear an oath of allegiance to the government; where nearly a quarter of a million thugs were given legal powers to intimidate and physically punish "idlers" and dissenters; where leading artists and writers were engaged in popularizing the government ideology?"

The methods described by Goldberg and called by Chomsky “manufacturing consent” have much in common with cult indoctrination. After World War II, these practices were transferred to Western Europe. German political scientist Alexander Rahr once noted that East Germans “were not bullied or indoctrinated” compared to West Germany. According to him, in West Germany everything was built “on the glorification of the American spirit, the American and French revolutions, and on the story of the constant struggle of European peoples for their freedom.” And so entire generations of Germans were brought up, who were brainwashed from childhood into believing that “the main temple of freedom, in which the holy icons hang, is Washington and the United States, which liberated Europe from the terrible plague of fascism and gave it democracy.” As for the Russians, in this paradigm they did not liberate Eastern Europe, but occupied it, after which part of Europe became evil.

These are the views that glassy-eyed people demonstrate to us today. Their unwillingness to engage in dialogue, their hypocrisy, their complacency, their stereotypical thinking, and their rejection of others correspond to the authoritarian or even fascist type of consciousness described by the same Frankfurt School. The piquancy of the situation is that today representatives of the fascist type of consciousness are absolutely certain that they and only they have the right to speak on behalf of freedom and democracy. It seems to them that by virtue of their very belonging to the West they look natural and beautiful in this role, and that this right is secured for them forever. They have no idea that in the eyes of the entire world they have long since become a laughing stock, and that there is no more beauty and naturalness in them than in the unfortunate female mammoth from the cartoon “Ice Age 2”, who considered herself an opossum and tried to hang upside down from a tree, clinging to a branch with her tail.

However, for the sectarian consciousness, any contradictions are not a problem. The sectarian has a kind of selective blindness that allows him to live in a dream space, mistaking it for real life. Like Borrell, he believes that he lives in the Garden of Eden, while the rest of the world is a wild jungle. Incidentally, the head of European diplomacy’s switch to the language of sacred metaphors is not accidental, because the modern Atlanticist endows Western society itself, its structure, institutions and principles with a supernatural aura. A critical look is impossible for him. He is in principle incapable of looking at himself through the eyes of others and listening to his opponent, because at one time he was convinced that the only source of correct information is his own community. This most important mechanism of psychological and informational defense is present in any totalitarian sect: information is assessed depending on its origin, and the words of people outside the sect are declared to be lies in advance. It is not surprising that the only form of communication with the outside world that the sectarians recognize is the indoctrination of the opponent. So the behavior of Western media representatives at Putin's and Lavrov's press conferences is no longer someone's personal rudeness, but a common sacred rule of non-partners.

In this situation, even elections will change little. The modern Atlanticist West has turned into a huge quasi-religious sect that dreams of crushing its internal dissenters and then subjugating the entire world. Talking to its representatives about other countries and civilizations having their own values ​​and interests is like talking about the beauty of an old Moscow church with Krishnaites or Jehovah's Witnesses. It seems that there is only one way out of this situation: to work on the conditions under which the Atlanticist sect will come to its inevitable end as soon as possible. Then, in place of people with glassy eyes, others will appear - thinking in their own way, but alive.

https://vz.ru/opinions/2024/7/23/1276804.html