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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:05 am

    franco wrote:Russia releases 10 prisoners of war through the mediation of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia

    Saudi Arabia participated as an intermediary for the release of foreign mercenaries who fought in Ukraine. These are citizens of the US,UK, Sweden, Croatia and Morocco-Reuters‼

    The photo of the mercenaries appeared after the exchange. They're in Saudi Arabia

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1572647309665570816/photo/1


    I suppose its too much to hope that the DPR has simply outsourced the execution of Aslin and his faggot buddies to the Saudi head-choppers? Twisted Evil

    It would make sense. It's unfair to ask DPR people to have to sully their hands with the filthy blood of nazi-supporting child murderers. Saudi wahabbi savages are ideal for the task.

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:07 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:[url=

    Another Kremlin to run a lemonade stand

    How do you send troops and armor into urban areas without fire preparation?

    This is why mobilization is scary with such idiots running the show

    Can you please stop reliving that f'ing sh*tshow? They weren't even in combat mode. They were supposed to meet up with politicians who were supposed to stand the military down.
    And it did work in Kherson. The water was flowing to Crimea in the first week.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:11 am

    Backman wrote:

    Can you please stop reliving that f'ing sh*tshow? They weren't even in combat mode. They were supposed to meet up with politicians who were supposed to stand the military down.
    And it did work in Kherson. The water was flowing to Crimea in the first week.

    No that's what you dont do

    You do not forgive or forget incompetence

    Here is another one

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25 - Page 28 02330011

    A column from CAA was sent into a city, with the buildings intact and ambushes set up everywhere

    So now, 300k are coming , obviously it won't be a "grinding" war , the pace will speed up

    But this shit cannot happen again

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:12 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Fucking scumbags. They gave these pricks for old hag Medvedev it seems and 55 Russian fighters. Tomorrow another 30 Ukrainians will be freed.

    Hmmm... tough trade, but Russia will get 50 of her soldiers back,and she will have plenty of opportunity in the future to kill these Ukro maggots once they are pushed back into front-line service.

    Medvedev might be useful in the future Ukraine once that benighted shithole is liberated and cleansed of bandera filth. He will have no love for nationalists ( Laughing ), and once his leash is secured by his liberators and he accepts the limits of his authority, he will be an asset in the East-Ukrainian dominated government of whatever rump Ukrostan is left.

    These ukrorats are dead men walking. They just don't fully realise it yet. Razz

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:22 am

    Yakov Kedmi, interviewed by Scott Ritter. Just uploaded

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:29 am

    Hole wrote:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25 - Page 28 Stolte10

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    You killing me dude!!

    What a fcking clown show the Eurotrash Collective has become...  Bojo & Least Trust,  Macron and his black toy-boys, Scholz & Harbeck & Baerbock, Ursula van der Crazy, Stolenburger...  throw Crash Test Dummy Biden and the rest of the dsyfunctional murkan "elite" and you have a perfect storm of idiocy and unparalled incompetance.  At a time when their global hegemony project is under a dire threat of collapse, the West has the worst set of ruling elites in its entire history. Razz

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:55 am

    Btw, interesting UAV was found today close to Sevastopol. One was destroyed in the water, while this one got stranded on the shore.
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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:58 am

    ^ That glorified canoe looks like a Turkish MIC creation.

    They have been working on this kind of thing

    https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2020/11/09/turkey-to-launch-its-first-armed-unmanned-surface-vessel/

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    Post  zorobabel Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:03 am

    The AFU have captured half of Drobyshevo, an urban-type settlement in the Donetsk People's Republic northwest of Krasny Liman.

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    Post  Regular Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:29 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:



    No that's what you dont do

    https://twitter.com/copemuch/status/1572524006263390208



    Check what not to do Ukrainian edition.

    You can learn from enemies too

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:21 am

    ludovicense wrote:Starting to think this conflict is going to get out of hand. Weapon production goes into war mode. 300 thousand more men. What's worse is that Putin seems convinced that he has no other solution than total war. Clearly he's going for the hard-liners.

    He's trying to get the West to back down

    Problem comes if that doesn't work

    Anyway I do still suspect that they wouldn't be ordering mobilization if they they didn't see signs that the war was going to expand anyway. Here they're just moving first and upping the stakes.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:23 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25 - Page 28 327510

    Another example what NOT to do in urban assault

    You bombard area where resistance is coming from and then you send guys and equipment

    This is why I don't trust the Kremlin to run a lemonade stand

    How do you send troops and armor into urban areas without fire preparation?

    This is why mobilization is scary with such idiots running the show

    You'll see a hundred such cases on every side in every war.

    People, commanders fk-up, get outsmarted, get surprised, and people die.

    You just didn't have a ready fleet of drones programmed for propaganda warfare to record it all in previous wars.

    The real mistake Russia made is not equipping all its units with anti-drone jammers and assorted EW to crash all this insect shit down

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:27 am

    I dont think they will make themselves vulnerable in city areas from their experience in Chechen wars I hope.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:30 am

    Still it would be nice if they would bring back the original pre-soviet name of Aleksandrovsk (used until 1921).

    They are having referendums soon... maybe they could add a question about changes Kiev and the Soviets have made and what needs to be rolled back.

    In 'elensky's office, the West called on Kiev to deploy long-range missiles and Abrams tanks

    They want Abrams tanks... they must have too much fuel...

    And of course all their armoured recovery vehicles wont handle vehicles of that weight, not to mention learning to service and operate...

    Anyways, if I were a Russian tank design team I would be ecstatic at Ukraine getting Abrams because in short order the DPR and LPR will get them, and then Russian design bureaus would be able to thoroughly test and study them.

    I would doubt they will be getting any decent version with modern add ons... it would just be a history lesson and confirmation that Soviet tanks were better than western tanks... Twisted Evil

    Russia isn't going to attack US bases over sent equipment, I love how you children seem to wish for nuclear death for NATO/US and Russia go at it directly it will come down to that and billions will perish.

    The west is creating this situation and seems uninterested in quitting poking the bear and the dragon. The end of the west seems to be the only way this might end, and an economic collapse is more likely than a nuclear death... Putin is not stupid... he repeatedly mentions Nuclear responses as being suicide rather than any sort of solution. Sadly western politicians seem to think Russia fears the west and that somehow the west is powerful enough to dictate terms to Russia.

    We see them repeat the same mistakes over and over... including now in the Pacific towards China.

    Economic collapse and perhaps some realisation that the west does need cheap Russian energy after all are two things that might change the attitude of western politicians and the trajectory of politics in the west... but I am not holding my breath... Russia is not going to give the EU discounts on energy... they are looking to provide cheap energy to China and Asia instead.

    As the old saying goes be careful what you wish for.

    Love the Irony of you saying that... the current situation has been a goal for the US and the west for a very long time... they actively worked to create this situation and now you are scared it might escalate?

    The real world is unpredictable and thinking you can escalate and escalate to the point where you get one country murdering the people of a neighbouring country and no one else has a problem with that which creates a war between those two countries... well what were you expecting... they would do this but not that?

    Regardless this should have been done months ago, but I do love when the armchair experts get proven wrong

    They are mobilising specific men and women who have combat experience... they have said nothing about who and what they will be used for.

    For all we know they might be mostly air force personnel and they are going to start obliterating the west and north of the Ukraine, and also hitting HATO supply lines and instead of monitoring HATO support nodes in Ukraine... hitting them instead. And of course hitting people with power who have not done anything so far to stop all of this... hit their houses and businesses and assets... burn the fields...

    Abrams was designed for Euro plains, intended to meet the advancing soviet tank formations.

    So they would work fine in ukraine and most bridges can carry them easily.

    The support infrastructure of the Orc Army is going to have to triple its funding and capacity to keep them running though.


    What is considered the great planes of Europe has been that way before tanks were invented and the infrastructure is the same

    It is OK.... Russia is not Europe so when Russia occupies Ukraine then those great plains stop being European and start being Half Asian...

    Also, Abrams or no abrams, where they will get competent crews for them? We seen what happens when noob gets into BMP... And Abrams tanks are more sophisticated...

    And thirsty.

    So far western intel was spot on with regard to the SMO , mobilization, and now they speak of nuclear strikes

    They were spot on for a reason... they knew they were attacking the Donbass on March 8th and so of course they made it public they thought Russia was going to attack Kievs forces... it served several purposes at once. It meant that if Russia didn't attack, they could use their claims for several weeks that Russia was going to attack as a pretext for their own attack. It was also in a sense a double bluff... saying they were going to attack might stop them attacking and allow Kievs attack to go in on schedule.

    Either way, the reason they knew they were going to attack was no inside information, but the knowledge that Kiev was going to attack and of course the sensible response when you find that out is to attack them first.... by saying Russia was going to attack they were essentially saying their own information security is shit.

    If they bungle this, which they did in Kharkov, it will lead to precisely what NATO is saying

    The tail wags the dog, in this case NATO crafted every response to Moscow decisions

    This decision was foreseen and told about by NATO, just like nuclear strikes

    You have more faith in HATO than in your own government and military... you should be ashamed.

    The mobilization means they seek to increase the pace and scale of assault

    Why do you think that?


    NATO foresaw this and has implemented its own plan to go after the draftees

    As well as execution videos of draftees

    Is it in your trolling contract to mention HATO in every paragraph?

    You wanted escalation and now it seems they are responding and now you cry for all the extra Russian soldiers that are going to die because of it.


    Only Putin and his yes men are stupid enough to be led into this scenario

    You post bullshit scenarios that you made up yourself and then call Putin stupid for falling for things that have not happened... sounds like the gene pool you represent needs a little chlorine... the water to urine ratio is too far gone.

    The Key two letters in your prediction is the E and the X in front of that censored Hodges rank... ex General means **** all... he gets no say and has no power but you want Putin replaced because of the bullshit he is spouting.

    What needs to happen is a large scale bombardment of all of Ukraine

    Hahahahaha... get your head out of your arse... when has a large scale bombardment every won a conflict?

    Did strategic bombing defeat London or Berlin, did strategic bombing win WWII?


    Once he finishes the war, he must leave and go to the background - simple as that

    Again the pro western comment.... did Hillary Clinton write your post for you?

    Or was it Navalny?

    Not quite, the conscripts are already prepared

    Remember two drafts are conducted every year

    Those guys can go to Ukraine and provide half the manpower of the "300,000"

    The rest can be assembled from other veterans

    Those forces will provide the 2nd echelon of the main attack force - Wagner, Army, Chechens and such

    If Those conscripts are sent into combat to exploit breakthroughs, the VKS must bomb ahead of them indiscriminately

    Are you stupid. They are not going to send green conscripts to Ukraine... they already said the mobilisation is of troops who already have combat experience.

    For all we know they might be calling up all the soldiers that have spent time in Ukraine and Syria operating drones and that the 300K mobilisation is to use recently made or bought drones.

    There is no possible nuclear crisis. That's the end of the world, at least in the West

    Putin clearly stated before that when Russia was fighting Kievs forces that were attacking autonomous Ukrainian regions of Donbass and Lugansk that Russia could not use nuclear weapons by definition of the rules regarding their use.

    If the Donbass and Lugansk and other regions have a referendum on joining the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation accepts their application to join then they become part of the territory of Russia... for which Russia is obliged to defend and that frees up the use of any weapons including nuclear, given sufficient external threat.

    Note that their calculations are predicated upon their conviction that Putin will never risk strategic war with the West. A rather reckless assumption that puts the lives of tens of millions of their citizens at risk.

    If the west is being a part of this conflict then Russia has little choice... with their constant escalations from the US and EU this can only get to nuclear weapons use... the west refuses to back down for the purposes of their over developed egos, and Russia is committing to the people in Ukraine opposed to nazis and europe.

    the joint forces stand against "not only the neo-Nazi forces, but effectively the entire military machine of the collective West," which threatens Russia’s very existence.

    Sounds like it justifies the use of nukes if they think it would make a difference.

    Kornet doesn´t care if it´s a T-64, Leo2 or M1.

    Khrisantema wont care either.

    I wonder if any Russian pilots were freed too? Or that dude tankist who was sentenced for life. All Russian POWs need to be extracted as soon as possible, 30 Ukrainian soldiers or some foreigners mean very little now, no point to marinate them, they are only good for exchanging as all political pressure doesn't seem to work

    The situation Kiev is in their returned prisoners are likely to just get fed back through the meat grinding machine again so they will get another shot at them.


    What they are saying is that those called up, will serve now in Ukraine

    No they are not. They are mobilising men who have already served and already had combat experience... they are getting guys from the Ukraine conflict to give them an update on training based on what they are doing now in the Ukraine, and then those troops with combat experience will be moved to the Ukraine... and if you think about it it is pretty obvious... if the Donbass and Lugansk declare they want to join the RF and have referendums that endorse that (not something that happened in Kosovo... no referendum there BTW) then they are going to become Russian territory as soon as the Russian Federation gives the OK... which means I suspect those 300K could just form the basis of the Russian Federation Army along with their new LDNR fellow soldiers.


    But now that will change, those called up will go to Ukraine and free up volunteers for offensive actions

    The mobilisation is of reservists with combat experience... they wont be conscripts.

    They are just taking already serving conscripts and mandating their use in Ukraine

    That would be there is no mobilisation if they are using already serving conscripts. Rolling Eyes


    It's as I said, this is not a true Mobilization, just authorization of conscripts (military experience) for use in Ukraine

    Stop calling them conscripts... you posted yourself that only men who have already served that have already been to combat and are specialists will be mobilised... the ones that have already been in combat means Crimea or Ukraine or Syria or special forces somewhere else.

    Right, except they have not been used so far

    That's how you get 300k, you take conscripts and you use them for rear

    Will you stop calling them conscripts... Russia has only sent professional contract soldiers to war zones except in error and they are hardly going to compound that error by doing it again.

    A mobilisation means getting men that are not currently serving the armed forces back in to the armed forces. Using the last batch of conscripts would not be a mobilisation and they wont have combat experience so they wont be eligible for mobilisation by the definition you just posted yourself.

    Perhaps that is your problem... is your understanding of what words mean a bit loose?

    One thing we can say with certainty is that Kharkhov fiasco was interpreted as a failure and not some tactical retreat or regrouping, as it was originally interpreted by MoD.
    And that is a good thing.

    Not a failure, a consequence of the tactics being used and HATO exploitation... it was actually rather a success in terms of the tactics and their intent to grind the enemy... more enemy forces were ground up in a couple of weeks than for the month before.

    Ex conscripts, and conscripts lol

    And you are as dumb as they come hahaha weren't you saying there was NO mobilization coming?

    They haven't sent conscripts to combat since Chechnia (on purpose) so the requirement for combat experience essentially eliminates conscripts from the mobilisation.

    The fact that they want specialists I would suspect artillery men, Pilots and ground crew for aircraft, and drone operators might be some of the specialisations they will focus on.

    In other words ... conscripts, or what do you call some one with military experience that was not contract ?

    It is not military experience... it is combat experience... which means ex contract soldiers.

    The only worthwhile Ukrainian is the one that wants to join Russia.

    I suspect he has seen the light... the Donbass and Lugansk only wanted autonomy in 2014 and now they want to join the RF.

    Starting to think this conflict is going to get out of hand. Weapon production goes into war mode. 300 thousand more men. What's worse is that Putin seems convinced that he has no other solution than total war. Clearly he's going for the hard-liners.

    I think Putin is realising the west thinks he is weak... perhaps a months blood bath over winter will make them realise he means to protect Russia and Russians from the west... even if he has to destroy the Ukraine.

    This is why I don't trust the Kremlin to run a lemonade stand

    How do you send troops and armor into urban areas without fire preparation?

    Why do you think Putin personally micro managed everything?

    I am sure you never made any mistakes in your life...

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    Post  OminousSpudd Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:42 am

    So now that a considerable length of time has passed since the Ukrainian "counteroffensive", and we now understand its consequences, as well as see the response, I have a few questions.

    Why is mobilization needed when the issue seems to be that Ukraine can still galvanize hordes of lemmings to throw themselves willy nilly at the front? Given the casualty rates, it isn't Russian casualties that are the problem, but rather the ability of the enemy to throw bodies at the frontline. Why is Ukrainian TV, and other such apparatus of social control still functioning unimpeded? People complain now of the morale boost that the Ukrainian territorial gain has reaped, but surely if the Ukrainian population was living in an information blackout any victories, fake or real, wouldn't matter? Even internet access could be made more difficult than it currently is.

    Why is Ukrainian logistical infrastructure largely intact? If Ukraine's manpower is the problem, then stifling their ability to transport said manpower seems like a no brainer? Railways, bridges, roads etc. have, from what I can gather, been largely unaffected.

    Finally, why is Zelensky and his cohort still walking freely? If Russia holds the current regime in Kiev as illegitimate, then the pretenders should be fair game. It seemed crazy that Zelensky could walk unimpeded around Izyum.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:54 am

    The "Mobilization" are for mostly forces in special areas, not so much spearheads.

    Reason for this, I would wager, is that once the votes come to pass and those regions of Novorussia are returned back to Russia, then Russian forces are gonna have to move into those areas.  The majority of fighting I will bet you will still be the LDNR forces, mercenaries, Cossacks and Chechens.  They will just all be lumped under same umbrella and called "Volunteer" forces (all of them) and the 300,000 soldiers, not ones already in Russia itself currently, will be moved into the regions to assist these volunteer forces.

    I am just guessing here.  But if I was planning something like this, this is what I would do.  Have the specialized forces assisting the Spearhead volunteers, and provide them everything from intelligence, surveillance, artillery support, etc etc etc.  And also mechanized units for defense or assistance on the frontline.

    Just a hunch.

    There is a rather standard method of doing things. When directly in a conflict, both sides tend to try and eventually capture the leader of the nation they are directly at war with - Saddam, Milosevic, Ghaddafi, etc. They assassinate if they cannot fight them directly. Russia does the same. There much be some kind of agreement that Russia has with other nations. There is also possibly a way to use Zelensky as a reasoning and escape goat "Your issues are not from us but from him!".


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:55 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:So now that a considerable length of time has passed since the Ukrainian "counteroffensive", and we now understand its consequences, as well as see the response, I have a few questions.
    Why is mobilization needed when the issue seems to be that Ukraine can still galvanize hordes of lemmings to throw themselves willy nilly at the front? Given the casualty rates, it isn't Russian casualties that are the problem, but rather the ability of the enemy to throw bodies at the frontline. Why is Ukrainian TV, and other such apparatus of social control still functioning unimpeded? People complain now of the morale boost that the Ukrainian territorial gain has reaped, but surely if the Ukrainian population was living in an information blackout any victories, fake or real, wouldn't matter? Even internet access could be made more difficult than it currently is.
    Why is Ukrainian logistical infrastructure largely intact? If Ukraine's manpower is the problem, then stifling their ability to transport said manpower seems like a no brainer? Railways, bridges, roads etc. have, from what I can gather, been largely unaffected.
    Finally, why is Zelensky and his cohort still walking freely? If Russia holds the current regime in Kiev as illegitimate, then the pretenders should be fair game. It seemed crazy that Zelensky could walk unimpeded around Izyum.

    It was getting more and more political issues for the Kremlin.
    Russian society is on a wave, they demand results. War propaganda spinned them not worse than the Ukros.
    Russkie doesn't understand, why the mighty army can't deal with some punitive operation.
    This is being fueled by tons of propagandists, who found their niche addressing the super-hyper-nationalists you can find in any country. And who are making lots of noise that no regime likes, no matter if it is Euro one or Murican.
    For a while now, it is Putin who was a hostage of warmongers Laughing
    We talk very same type of people, who are now hyping "Putin vviedi voyska!", and will be the first to yap "stop war!" when bodybags will return home.
    And the last ones to enlist, of course.
    Ukros are crazy. They are lacking males obviously for a while, so now we are facing a serious draft of women. Some of my friends has the rights to leave the Ukro lost for a while now, as both are female medics. This is just an example.
    We can seriously expect them mobilizing female squads, and putting them to the front lines.
    Keeping the infrastructure intact concept was sociopolitical, but is obviously gone now.

    sepheronx wrote:The "Mobilization" are for mostly forces in special areas, not so much spearheads.

    Reason for this, I would wager, is that once the votes come to pass and those regions of Novorussia are returned back to Russia, then Russian forces are gonna have to move into those areas.  The majority of fighting I will bet you will still be the LDNR forces, mercenaries, Cossacks and Chechens.  They will just all be lumped under same umbrella and called "Volunteer" forces (all of them) and the 300,000 soldiers, not ones already in Russia itself currently, will be moved into the regions to assist these volunteer forces.

    I am just guessing here.  But if I was planning something like this, this is what I would do.  Have the specialized forces assisting the Spearhead volunteers, and provide them everything from intelligence, surveillance, artillery support, etc etc etc.  And also mechanized units for defense or assistance on the frontline.

    Just a hunch.

    Having a 300k men from reserve forces at the different stages of forming/training means, that one can transfer the battle ready and formed units right away. There is no risk, nobody will attack Russia, so these few weeks when de facto doubling the land forces number will be in ranks becoming irrelevant. I suppose that it will begin very soon, they are probably just waiting and watching if there is any more junk the Ukros want to demolish storming the positions.
    Materials made from the field in Cherson or Peski are mindblowing, they are just being shattered to pieces there.

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    Post  limb Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:22 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:Fucking scumbags. They gave these pricks for old hag Medvedev it seems and 55 Russian fighters. Tomorrow another 30 Ukrainians will be freed.

    Hmmm... tough trade, but Russia will get 50 of her soldiers back,and she will have plenty of opportunity in the future to kill these Ukro maggots once they are pushed back into front-line service.

    Medvedev might be useful in the future Ukraine once that benighted shithole is liberated and cleansed of bandera filth. He will have no love for nationalists ( Laughing ), and once his leash is secured by his liberators and he accepts the limits of his authority, he will be an asset in the East-Ukrainian dominated government of whatever rump Ukrostan is left.

    These ukrorats are dead men walking.  They just don't fully realise it yet. Razz

    Whats the point of denazification if the nazis on top dont get denazified?

    Russian officers who got captured were probably retards who just panicked and ran and surrendered without much fight. Theyre worthless and shouldnt be traded in

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    Post  limb Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:49 am

    zorobabel wrote:The AFU have captured half of Drobyshevo, an urban-type settlement in the Donetsk People's Republic northwest of Krasny Liman.

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/9553

    So much for extra reinforcement.
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    Post  Scorpius Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:13 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Then and only then you will be worthy of having allies and those allies will be coming to you instead of you coming to them and sucking their dicks for nothing

    Nobody wants to be ally with losers and pussies so if you want to have those precious useless allies that badly you should finally for once in your lives stop acting like oversized pussies, man up and start killing apes because nobody will be doing that for you

    They don't have problems with West, YOU do

    Why should they waste time on YOUR problems? This is your problem to kill, not theirs

    Why do you need such allies who turn away from you in bad times? They don't deserve to be anything more than minions, your little bitches that you're the first to send into the fire if anything happens.



    If some Ukrainian apes are able to drain you of your blood then you never deserved to have that blood in the first place

    Why do you need such allies who turn away from you in bad times? They don't deserve to be anything more than minions, your little bitches that you're the first to send into the fire if anything happens.
    If I come to your house, beat you up and rape your wife, will it mean that your wife and your house are now mine because you have no right to them? I'm just pointing out here that your logic is flawed.



    If you don't want to get drafted that badly just become rich otherwise stop whining online about wanting victory in war and go to peace protest with other liberal commie hippies
    Do you judge by yourself? I'm not a cowardly pussy, I'm not going to hide from the draft or refuse to participate in the war.
    It is my RIGHT to express my doubts or criticize the failures of the leadership, and no one will tell me what I can say and what not.

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    Post  OminousSpudd Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:22 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Your mobilization theory makes sense.

    Like for like is obviously something that Russia is attempting to avoid with any sort of assassination attempts, but I actually have to agree with resident genocider PapaDragon (only) when it comes to dealing with the Ukrainian elites. The more chaos that is sown to shatter the status quo in Ukraine and make it a literally non-functioning state, the more likely it'll force a compromise from Washington and Brussels... At least in theory... one could hope

    ALAMO wrote:Ukros are crazy. They are lacking males obviously for a while, so now we are facing a serious draft of women. Some of my friends has the rights to leave the Ukro lost for a while now, as both are female medics. This is just an example.
    We can seriously expect them mobilizing female squads, and putting them to the front lines.
    The only issue I have with this is that many were saying that the VSU was scraping the barrel before they dumped tens of thousands on this "counteroffensive". If the US intends to Ho Chi Minh the conflict using the manpower from its Baltic vassals/vast PMC pool then it would seem to me the Russian equation will have to change. I'm hoping the mobilization and the remarks about military potential are the signals for a change in approach.

    All of this is of course predicated on the hope that Russia has genuinely had a true break with the West, and that it isn't some elaborate scheme to remodel the world economies. However, the longer the war drags on without any real, hard-set, attainable goals in sight the more I am doubtful of this. Global wars and forever wars are two types of war that have only ever been used to remodel ethnic, economic, social and religious strata for the worse.
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    Post  jhelb Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:32 am

    sepheronx wrote:The majority of fighting I will bet you will still be the LDNR forces, mercenaries, Cossacks and Chechens.  
    Russia doesn't hire mercenaries. Those fighting against Ukros are locals from the eastern part of Ukraine.

    Wasn't expecting an Indian street shitter scumbag to know any better.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:53 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    The only issue I have with this is that many were saying that the VSU was scraping the barrel before they dumped tens of thousands on this "counteroffensive". If the US intends to Ho Chi Minh the conflict using the manpower from its Baltic vassals/vast PMC pool then it would seem to me the Russian equation will have to change. I'm hoping the mobilization and the remarks about military potential are the signals for a change in approach.
    All of this is of course predicated on the hope that Russia has genuinely had a true break with the West, and that it isn't some elaborate scheme to remodel the world economies. However, the longer the war drags on without any real, hard-set, attainable goals in sight the more I am doubtful of this. Global wars and forever wars are two types of war that have only ever been used to remodel ethnic, economic, social and religious strata for the worse.

    I had the very same issue for a long time, as the amount of weapons we provide to them is pure insanity. They should be able to have a million in ranks by now, and obviously don't have them.
    My guess a long time ago was, that they must prepare some "secret" forces somewhere - let it be training grounds in Poland or UK, because it is physically impossible to steal all the goods they are supplied with.
    It turned out, that I was obviously partially right and wrong, as they did make some third army already, but still, the amount of good they have stolen is bigger than I was expecting.
    So the Russkie need to pulverize this third army they made, and that will take them a moment.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:56 am

    jhelb wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The majority of fighting I will bet you will still be the LDNR forces, mercenaries, Cossacks and Chechens.  
    Russia doesn't hire mercenaries. Those fighting against Ukros are locals from the eastern part of Ukraine.

    Wasn't expecting an Indian street shitter scumbag to know any better.

    What are Wagner forces if not mercenaries?

    Why the very personal insult? Are we not above that sort of thing here? Sure its not allowed in the rules.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:13 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    jhelb wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The majority of fighting I will bet you will still be the LDNR forces, mercenaries, Cossacks and Chechens.  
    Russia doesn't hire mercenaries. Those fighting against Ukros are locals from the eastern part of Ukraine.

    Wasn't expecting an Indian street shitter scumbag to know any better.

    What are Wagner forces if not mercenaries?

    Why the very personal insult? Are we not above that sort of thing here? Sure its not allowed in the rules.

    For russia Wagner is more of a PMC, think of it has a personal military that isn't actually the military so Russia can use them far more freely (I said this years ago but fanboys denied such claims and that they existed)

    But you aren't wrong to call them Mecrs as they will take jobs based on pay for other countries, that is the definition of a mercenary but Russia did not "HIRE" them as they are unofficial part pf the Russian forces

    That that was an racism based insult and it does deserve a response

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