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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:00 am

    limb wrote:Apparently Ukrainians have taken drobishevo and fortified their bridgehead near k. Liman. Liman is under threat of encirclement, yet the Russian command is doing absolutely nothing. No reinforcements, no tanks, no air support, nothing. Theyve let bars and the lpr militias to fend for themselves.

    They obviously can't have noticed, quick send the MoD an email warning them.

    FFS don't you think they have a plan?

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    Post  littlerabbit Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:03 am

    We all talk about mobilisation of 300.000 reservists...are we sure Shoygu told us the exact number? I wouldn't tell, if I were on his place.

    Putin signed a document which permits the possibility to mobilize up to 1 million reservists.

    Somehow, I'm convinced there will be few hundred thousands more.

    Also, what about volunteers, how many so far...50.000...100.000...? Question unshaven


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:06 am

    auslander wrote:
    We did acquire another blue merle a year ago. Like Sophia, no one wanted her so we took her. Kristina is a stunning beauty with the very rare for a merle blue eyes. Sophia has adopted her and the two are inseparable, eating, walking and sleeping together. Unfortunately Sophia is aging, she is 14 years, ancient for a koli, and she can no longer walk unassisted. VCO and I both know what is coming but for the time being Sofik is happy with Kristina.

    Really pleased to hear that not only are you all well, best wishes to VCO by the way her contribution is remembered, but that you will continue to have one of your favourite big furry friends into the foreseeable future. May your God always be with you.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:14 am

    littlerabbit wrote:We all talk about mobilisation of 300.000 reservist...are we sure Shoygu told us the exact number? I wouldn't tell, if I were on his place.

    Putin signed a document which permits the possibility to mobilize up to 1 million reservists.

    Somehow, I'm convinced there will be few hundred thousands more.

    Also, what about volunteers, how many so far...50.000...100.000...? Question unshaven

    We will never know, Russian plans really are secret, nothing fed to the press as per the West.

    What seems to be pretty clear is that Russia is putting USNATO on notice that it is putting everything in place for WW3 if it turns out to be needed. Russia is keeping significant forces back so it will be ready to roll at anytime given they have no intention of allowing any kind of US buildup in Europe.

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    Post  franco Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:17 am

    The Ministry of Defense named another category of citizens exempted from mobilization

    The Ministry of Defense decided not to recruit another category of Russian citizens for military service as part of partial mobilization - the so-called "IT people", i.e. high technology workers. The corresponding notice is published on the website of the military department.

    After the start of partial mobilization, a number of Russian IT companies appealed to the relevant departments with an appeal to provide highly qualified specialists of companies with a deferment from conscription while working in these organizations. The main argument was the statement that there are not so many high-ranking specialists in this area in Russia, and their mobilization can negatively affect the activities of defense industry enterprises and lead to the disruption of government contracts. In addition, the work of high-tech industries and the financial system of Russia depends on them.

    The appeal was promptly considered and today the Ministry of Defense issued a statement that citizens with higher education who are employed in the following industries are exempt from mobilization: organizations operating in the field of information technology, employees of Russian telecom operators that provide their work, backbone organizations in the field of information and communications , in organizations that ensure the stability of the national payment system.

    For exemption from mobilization, there is no need to collect any certificates and personally carry them to the military registration and enlistment office, everything is solved much easier.

    The lists of citizens submitted by the heads of the relevant organizations in the prescribed form to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will be considered the basis for exemption from involving citizens in military service for mobilization.

    - reported in the Ministry of Defense.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/202265-v-minoborony-nazvali-esche-odnu-kategoriju-grazhdan-osvobozhdennyh-ot-mobilizacii.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:09 am

    Pretty demoralizing day for me today. Decided to jump thru youtube and all my comments were deleted or shadowbanned. Any time I tried responding to people who "have no idea why Putin started this war" and nonsense like this by pointing out the color revolutions and regime change operations my posts would quickly get deleted. Two of them were not. Of those two I am sure one I posted got shadowbanned and the other person said I was "delusional".

    Look I have my biases but ffs this is a filthy morass of geopolitical events and so many posting about the conflict have no clue, and I mean no clue about what the neocons did to instigate it. What is so insidious about it all is back during George W Bush I was a young man and I remembered a seemingly vibrant progressive counterculture to neocons. I myself was against the Iraq war back then too. During those times so much nuance was brought to the public compared to now. It seems like these days the progressives sold their soul to the devil (neocons and neolibs) because hey if you wave the fag flag and support trannies than neocons are alright I guess?

    Any and all populist (whether left or right) groundswell is pretty ruthlessly silenced. Very few question things. Very few understand how our leaders are either deluded or malevolent or both. There is so much fundamentally wrong and it is all getting so bizarre that I am getting to the point where I can only rationalize it all by a deeper preternatural evil and delusion covering everything. Guys I dont think you realize how bad things truly are, and how much worse it is going to get. Not trying to demoralize you guys too I'm just venting because it all sometimes gets to me. I'm a nobody and have very little impact on what's going on. But I have a sliver of brains and I do see that this conflict was indeed instigated by us and what we are witnessing essentially is nemesis, or the blowback for our post cold-war foreign and domestic policy.

    Damn, bros. Shit is getting mighty weird. I highly suggest those guys coming here to attack Russian leaders take a look at the leaders hijacking my country and many other western countries.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:26 am

    TMA1 wrote:Pretty demoralizing day for me today. Decided to jump thru youtube and all my comments were deleted or shadowbanned. Any time I tried responding to people who "have no idea why Putin started this war" and nonsense like this by pointing out the color revolutions and regime change operations my posts would quickly get deleted. Two of them were not. Of those two I am sure one I posted got shadowbanned and the other person said I was "delusional".

    Look I have my biases but ffs this is a filthy morass of geopolitical events and so many posting about the conflict have no clue,  and I mean no clue about what the neocons did to instigate it. What is so insidious about it all is back during George W Bush I was a young man and I remembered a seemingly vibrant progressive counterculture to neocons. I myself was against the Iraq war back then too. During those times so much nuance was brought to the public compared to now. It seems like these days the progressives sold their soul to the devil (neocons and neolibs) because hey if you wave the fag flag and support trannies than neocons are alright I guess?

    Any and all populist (whether left or right) groundswell is pretty ruthlessly silenced. Very few question things. Very few understand how our leaders are either deluded or malevolent or both. There is so much fundamentally wrong and it is all getting so bizarre that I am getting to the point where I can only rationalize it all by a deeper preternatural evil and delusion covering everything. Guys I dont think you realize how bad things truly are, and how much worse it is going to get. Not trying to demoralize you guys too I'm just venting because it all sometimes gets to me. I'm a nobody and have very little impact on what's going on. But I have a sliver of brains and I do see that this conflict was indeed instigated by us and what we are witnessing essentially is nemesis, or the blowback for our post cold-war foreign and domestic policy.

    Damn, bros. Shit is getting mighty weird. I highly suggest those guys coming here to attack Russian leaders take a look at the leaders hijacking my country and many other western countries.

    Pressure is what forced mobilization

    And pressure will force a change in tactics on SMO

    Maybe not here, but cumulative throughout social media and even in public, Russians complained and forced this change

    The tactics must change next so il keep bitching

    But to your point- yes the west is deluded past point of no return

    They pretend to foresee what they themselves start-  which is why them talking about nuclear escalation means Russia cannot allow them to further escalate

    This must be won by force and decisively

    This slow grinding game is only going to invite further calamity - so Putin must hear* the discontent in the kingdom

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:52 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    TMA1 wrote:Pretty demoralizing day for me today. Decided to jump thru youtube and all my comments were deleted or shadowbanned. Any time I tried responding to people who "have no idea why Putin started this war" and nonsense like this by pointing out the color revolutions and regime change operations my posts would quickly get deleted. Two of them were not. Of those two I am sure one I posted got shadowbanned and the other person said I was "delusional".

    Look I have my biases but ffs this is a filthy morass of geopolitical events and so many posting about the conflict have no clue,  and I mean no clue about what the neocons did to instigate it. What is so insidious about it all is back during George W Bush I was a young man and I remembered a seemingly vibrant progressive counterculture to neocons. I myself was against the Iraq war back then too. During those times so much nuance was brought to the public compared to now. It seems like these days the progressives sold their soul to the devil (neocons and neolibs) because hey if you wave the fag flag and support trannies than neocons are alright I guess?

    Any and all populist (whether left or right) groundswell is pretty ruthlessly silenced. Very few question things. Very few understand how our leaders are either deluded or malevolent or both. There is so much fundamentally wrong and it is all getting so bizarre that I am getting to the point where I can only rationalize it all by a deeper preternatural evil and delusion covering everything. Guys I dont think you realize how bad things truly are, and how much worse it is going to get. Not trying to demoralize you guys too I'm just venting because it all sometimes gets to me. I'm a nobody and have very little impact on what's going on. But I have a sliver of brains and I do see that this conflict was indeed instigated by us and what we are witnessing essentially is nemesis, or the blowback for our post cold-war foreign and domestic policy.

    Damn, bros. Shit is getting mighty weird. I highly suggest those guys coming here to attack Russian leaders take a look at the leaders hijacking my country and many other western countries.

    Pressure is what forced mobilization

    And pressure will force a change in tactics on SMO

    Maybe not here, but cumulative throughout social media and even in public, Russians complained and forced this change

    The tactics must change next so il keep bitching

    But to your point- yes the west is deluded past point of no return

    They pretend to foresee what they themselves start-  which is why them talking about nuclear escalation means Russia cannot allow them to further escalate

    This must be won by force and decisively

    This slow grinding game is only going to invite further calamity - so Putin must hear* the discontent in the kingdom

    Those of us in the West are clearly at the time when we have to be more careful with what we say on social media.

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    Post  auslander Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:54 am

    JohninMK wrote:Really pleased to hear that not only are you all well, best wishes to VCO by the way her contribution is remembered, but that you will continue to have one of your favorite big furry friends into the foreseeable future. May your God always be with you.

    Thank you, John. We are 'down' to  three furry children. Fortunately Aleksandr, also age 14, is doing very well. He is amazingly vigorous and pulls guard duty at night and when we are out and about. Kristina, while like Sophia large for a girl, is about half his size but has already shown she is ready to guard, also. We had workers here last week and to get to the actual house they have to pass Aleksandr's window in the Dog Taj Mahal. Their reaction when Aleksandr appeared in the double frame window, snarling and barking, was of interest, and then they passed Kristina's window and about fainted with her snarls and barks. I'm sure that half of North Side is reminded again that we have 'fearsome dogs' as they put it.

    VCO is pleased that you remember her. She's just as ornery, and protective of yours truly, as ever if not more so. We're past the 'shock' of the diagnosis a year ago and our Doktors are still amazed that we laugh, tease and flirt during our frequent visits to Oncology Hospital and Hospital #4 near our digs. One of them asked VCO how she can be 'so happy' some months ago and her answer was thus: 'Why should we let death ruin our last years together? Won't happen on my watch! We've got 20 years together and that isn't enough!' She's a treasure for sure and she fully realizes this disease will kill me in a very few years. I'm moving heaven and earth to prepare her for when I'm gone.

    So far the mobilization is going smoothly in this village and the big apple to our east, Simferopol. No demonstrations, no squeaks from anyone, things are calm. That is to be expected in our huge village, it's been a Flot town since roughly 1783.

    Auslander

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:55 am

    We would be holding a referendum in Kharkov today , this is the tragedy

    Kherson, Zaporizhye, Lughansk, Donetsk ,

    But what about Kharkov? What about Odessa? Nikolayev?

    Why settle for 4 , when Russia can have Dnepropetrovsk as well? Krivoy Rog?

    There's at least 5 other regions that should have referendums

    -dnepr
    -Odessa
    -Kharkov
    -nikolayev
    -chernigov
    -Sumy
    -Poltava

    And more

    I hope this is not a quiet exit by the leadership


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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:55 am

    auslander wrote:...We are well, locally nothing has changed. Shops and kiosks are full of product, fresh foods are delivered daily and price controls are still in effect.

    We did acquire another blue merle a year ago. Like Sophia, no one wanted her so we took her. Kristina is a stunning beauty with the very rare for a merle blue eyes. Sophia has adopted her and the two are inseparable, eating, walking and sleeping together. Unfortunately Sophia is aging, she is 14 years, ancient for a koli, and she can no longer walk unassisted. VCO and I both know what is coming but for the time being Sofik is happy with Kristina.

    Good to hear from you, don't forget to check in every once in a while thumbsup

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:00 pm

    franco wrote:The Ministry of Defense named another category of citizens exempted from mobilization

    The Ministry of Defense decided not to recruit another category of Russian citizens for military service as part of partial mobilization - the so-called "IT people", i.e. high technology workers....

    Yeah no wonder, I graduated from IT Uni and I can confirm that most IT folks really lack the protein content for any outdoor duties

    I did serve in the Army but I'm the exception to the rule and everyone there kept asking me how I ended up in the military in the first place, Major was looking at me like I was a scientific phenomenon lol1



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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:36 pm

    TASS; shortened version.

    Twoo Su-25 and one MiG-29 from Ukroshitstan air force were shot down. Over 220 VSU soldiers near Kramatorsk and over 100 mercenaries near Slavjansk went to the eternal hunting ground. Over 130 soldiers from Elensky in the Nikolaev region also went to the eternal hunting ground. And yes, 200 went to the eternal hunting ground  in Zaporozhye region. 19 Ukroshitstan drones were destroyed also.

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    Post  Azi Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:01 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:We would be holding a referendum in Kharkov today , this is the tragedy

    Kherson, Zaporizhye, Lughansk, Donetsk ,

    But what about Kharkov? What about Odessa? Nikolayev?

    Why settle for 4 , when Russia can have Dnepropetrovsk as well? Krivoy Rog?

    There's at least 5 other regions that should have referendums

    -dnepr
    -Odessa
    -Kharkov
    -nikolayev
    -chernigov
    -Sumy
    -Poltava

    And more

    I hope this is not a quiet exit by the leadership
    No exit! The operation will end with the signature of the clown.... complete surrender of Ukraine, demilitarization, denazification and the recognition of the separated parts as being part of Russia!

    Do you really think after the referendum Ukronazis will stop shelling Donetsk and other cities?

    Russia will move forward...if Ukraine surrenders now they can save Kharkov and Odessa...but unlikely. Next step of Russian offensive will be Nikoleav and Kharkiv...later Odessa. Maybe Russia will reach the polish border X-D haha.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:17 pm

    Reality has shown Russia lacks the manpower to keep the territory it has gained while expanding further this is why a mobilization is needed, now they don't need 1M more men, 450k should suffice. The Russian forces in Ukraine are just overstretched and yes they did perform admirably.

    Russia might be saying the new troops they are calling up will not go to Ukraine but chances are they are just saying that and will send them in once all the forces are ready.

    It takes time to call up and organize 300k more men, I suspect Russia will merely hold onto the areas it has and once these new troops are ready to go, they will restart big offensive operations.

    I personally expect they will take Odessa and Khakrov, Sumy is a big maybe but I doubt russia will go past the river in those areas

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:27 pm

    TMA1 wrote:Pretty demoralizing day for me today. Decided to jump thru youtube and all my comments were deleted or shadowbanned. Any time I tried responding to people who "have no idea why Putin started this war" and nonsense like this by pointing out the color revolutions and regime change operations my posts would quickly get deleted. Two of them were not. Of those two I am sure one I posted got shadowbanned and the other person said I was "delusional".

    Look I have my biases but ffs this is a filthy morass of geopolitical events and so many posting about the conflict have no clue,  and I mean no clue about what the neocons did to instigate it. What is so insidious about it all is back during George W Bush I was a young man and I remembered a seemingly vibrant progressive counterculture to neocons. I myself was against the Iraq war back then too. During those times so much nuance was brought to the public compared to now. It seems like these days the progressives sold their soul to the devil (neocons and neolibs) because hey if you wave the fag flag and support trannies than neocons are alright I guess?

    Any and all populist (whether left or right) groundswell is pretty ruthlessly silenced. Very few question things. Very few understand how our leaders are either deluded or malevolent or both. There is so much fundamentally wrong and it is all getting so bizarre that I am getting to the point where I can only rationalize it all by a deeper preternatural evil and delusion covering everything. Guys I dont think you realize how bad things truly are, and how much worse it is going to get. Not trying to demoralize you guys too I'm just venting because it all sometimes gets to me. I'm a nobody and have very little impact on what's going on. But I have a sliver of brains and I do see that this conflict was indeed instigated by us and what we are witnessing essentially is nemesis, or the blowback for our post cold-war foreign and domestic policy.

    Damn, bros. Shit is getting mighty weird. I highly suggest those guys coming here to attack Russian leaders take a look at the leaders hijacking my country and many other western countries.

    The only solution for the problems of the collective West, I am sad to day, is a crippling DEFEAT in Ukraine at the hands of Russia and a subsequent economic catastrophe that destroys Western financial hegemony and plunges Europe (and their US leash-holder) into a decade or two of uber-depression. Reducing the West to a supplicant (with a borrowed begging bowl) and stripping our Ruling Class of the endless printed cash that fuels their power is the only thing that can force a reset and a resurgence of responsible accountable governance.

    Harsh medicine, but its either that (or similar) or they achieve global hegemony and then proceed to ruin the planet thru unrestrained neoliberal greed and lust for absolute power until the whole shitty corrupt mess collapses due to unsustainable systemic failure.

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    Post  Backman Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:41 pm

    I think i figured out why Russia is using these Iranian buzz bombs. Russia can hit everything with a rocket based missiles. But it was probably getting expensive. Shooting these weapons every day adds up. But some of these targets could just as easily be hit with these cheap piston powered drones.

    Props to Iran. I wouldn't of believed it till i seen it. These buzz bombs are effective

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:00 pm

    Iran has a resistance economy that is forced to rely on relatively cheap and effective military equipment. It is good to see when their efforts contribute to the global Anti-American resistance.

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    Post  ludovicense Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:01 pm

    Backman wrote:I think i figured out why Russia is using these Iranian buzz bombs. Russia can hit everything with a rocket based missiles. But it was probably getting expensive. Shooting these weapons every day adds up. But some of these targets could just as easily be hit with these cheap piston powered drones.

    Props to Iran. I wouldn't of believed it till i seen it. These buzz bombs are effective

    Zelensky is desperate. It has no defense. It is obvious that buying drones from Ira is extremely cheap. It has an excellent cost-benefit ratio. My question is the production capacity. But I want to see even when the missile models start to be used. It will be desperation.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:30 pm

    This buzzy sound remained me of the memories of Londoners, who faced the V1 targeting them on a daily basis.
    All of them were remembering its sound, and the common memory was that as long as you hear it - you are safe. If it shuts down, then hell, you have a problem ...
    And I would not bother the production ratio, if the Yemenis can show dozens of those on a parade, that means Iran has thousands.
    They can just pack&ship Laughing

    Edit :
    By the way, a hell of informative entry :

    https://t.me/intelslava/37806

    A Geran-2 over Odessa.
    Do you hear a cannonade in the background?
    It is a slow moving, low flying target that can be hear and locate easily.
    They don't have any serious means to shoot it down.
    Not a single bloody Osa, or ZSU.
    Nothing.

    And here it has been intercepted :
    https://t.me/intelslava/37824
    It is in Dnepropetrovsk.


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    Post  limb Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:15 pm

    Any news on liman and artemovsk?
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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:34 pm

    Iranian kamikaze drones hit target in Odessa. Thry must have pretty big warhead.
    https://t.me/rybar/39261?single
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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:36 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    There's at least 5 other regions that should have referendums

    -dnepr
    -Odessa
    -Kharkov
    -nikolayev
    -chernigov
    -Sumy
    -Poltava

    And more

    I hope this is not a quiet exit by the leadership
    Odessa and Kharkov are a must imo. Instead of Chernigov, Kirovograd oblast.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:41 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Iranian kamikaze drones hit target in Odessa. Thry must have pretty big warhead.
    https://t.me/rybar/39261?single

    Oh yes those are, look at the Iranian parades when they are showing it on the lorries, and some officer standing by - it is about 1.5-2.0x the size of a man. A KABUM factor is a deal here I think.

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    Post  franco Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:48 pm

    limb wrote:Any news on liman and artemovsk?

    Slowly approaching the center of the city in Artemovsk and Ukrainians throwing everything into trying to take Liman... some blogger reported they took 800 casualties alone yesterday which is of course the Russian plan russia

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