Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

Cyberspec wrote:They have large stocks left over from the Yugoslav Army so I suppose it makes sense to upgrade them. I think the Maljutka is till the most numerous ATGM in service with the Serbian Army. Apart from the ground based platform, the Airforce's Gazelle light helicopters are armed with it

Militarov wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:They have large stocks left over from the Yugoslav Army so I suppose it makes sense to upgrade them. I think the Maljutka is till the most numerous ATGM in service with the Serbian Army. Apart from the ground based platform, the Airforce's Gazelle light helicopters are armed with it

Very few of standard ground launchers are in use, so Fagots are more numerous in reality, Maljutka simulators are still there tho for reserve personel. So you can count only POLO launchers and those few Gamas that still fly and number is quite small actually.

Serbia is pushing that design for modernisation due to fact that is our technological and financial maximum at this moment. In reality army has little interest for that freak, however that is what we can afford...if that.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:They have large stocks left over from the Yugoslav Army so I suppose it makes sense to upgrade them. I think the Maljutka is till the most numerous ATGM in service with the Serbian Army. Apart from the ground based platform, the Airforce's Gazelle light helicopters are armed with it

Very few of standard ground launchers are in use, so Fagots are more numerous in reality, Maljutka simulators are still there tho for reserve personel. So you can count only POLO launchers and those few Gamas that still fly and number is quite small actually.

Serbia is pushing that design for modernisation due to fact that is our technological and financial maximum at this moment. In reality army has little interest for that freak, however that is what we can afford...if that.

I like the fact that they have improved the sagger to be still effective. And yeah money is real issue. Konkurs would be sufficient and if they had the money Ansat 2RC would be good replacement for gazelle. Although a few years ago the UK had a big clear out of gazelle selling starting price was 20k up to 50-60k which is pretty cheap wonder if Serbia bought cheap ones for to be stripped for spares  

SturmGuard wrote:Any truth in the rumours of 3 "Russian" MiG-29 already doing overflights today?

Regular wrote:RIP..
By the way, what is the state of G-4 fleet? I assume it's pretty aging platform is there a replacement comming?

Militarov wrote:

Regular wrote:RIP..
By the way, what is the state of G-4 fleet? I assume it's pretty aging platform is there a replacement comming?

Well... state is apparently quite bad.

They are actually planning to use them at least up to 2030, maybe even longer. There were some negotiations to modernise few in cooperation with Airbus. But i am not sure if that is great idea atm. Replacement doesnt seem to be in the plans. At peak we had 9 flying i believe one of which is target towing variant. In reality you can count on probably 5 or 6 ready to fly.

On average overhaul pace is 1 piece a year. In total 8 were overhauled in 8 last years. Youngest two borts were produced in 1991. Spares are basically unexisting these days so... idk, its sad story in general.

d_taddei2 wrote:


Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

Militarov wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:


Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.

Isos wrote:

Militarov wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:


Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to send pilots in russia for training ?  They don't need yak-130 to be trained for mig-29. Older soviet trainers are good enough.

Isos wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

Isos wrote:

Militarov wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:


Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to send pilots in russia for training ?  They don't need yak-130 to be trained for mig-29. Older soviet trainers are good enough.

I think you failed to read the post clearly. I stated multi role to replace yugo aircraft further up the thread this was to replace yugo attack aircraft they are looking to upgrade old aircraft recently a few have crashed. A MULTI ROLE yak -130 with slightly more powerful engine could replace them giving the serbs more options for weapons and it wouldn't break the bank. Not having a go at you just pointing out my point.

It's doubtful they achieve to keep in service the mig-29 they received, if you add 12 yak which are modern and not that cheap aircraft they win't for sure have enough in the budget.