Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

George1 wrote:Government of Serbia has signed a firm contract with a European group Airbus for the purchase of nine military Airbus H145M multipurpose helicopters.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2353156.html

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:Government of Serbia has signed a firm contract with a European group Airbus for the purchase of nine military Airbus H145M multipurpose helicopters.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2353156.html

Contract is shared between Military and Police however

d_taddei2 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:Government of Serbia has signed a firm contract with a European group Airbus for the purchase of nine military Airbus H145M multipurpose helicopters.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2353156.html

Contract is shared between Military and Police however

pity there buying western stuff they should have bought Ansat and/or Ansat 2RC,

George1 wrote:

Militarov wrote:Its confirmed that Belarus will gift to Serbia 8 retired MiG-29s and two "batallions" of Buk air defence system. Cost of modernisation and overhaul will be later determined by joint formed military board.

Source: http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/ci/story/124/drustvo/2609703/sistem-buk-i-migovi-29-iz-belorusije-pregovara-se-o-s-300.html

This should on long run mean Serbia will have 18 MiG-29s on its disposal.

Ηere also says also  Serbia expects to receive two divisions of Buk SAM system

In addition, in the future of Serbia in Minsk plans to buy air defense systems S-300V and S-300P and Belarusian military trucks and construction equipment.

According to Djordjevic, in May this year between the two countries will be conducted negotiations on the establishment of a joint defense body.

As explained by our blog known Serbian expert Svetozar Jokanovic, this deal is a lot of questions, and one of the top - where Serbia would find as many pilots and technicians for the new aircraft. According to him, the Belarusian MiG-29 (type 9-13), which will be transferred to Serbia, can be upgraded according to the standard MiG-29BM. In this connection, it is also interesting to note that the plans changed and in relation to those of the MiG-29, which were transferred to Serbia from Russia in 2016. Now the modernization of these aircraft will be held in Serbia on aircraft repair plant in Moma, but with the technical assistance of Russian specialists. This is a serious change in the views of the Ministry of Defence of Serbia, as originally repair and modernization have been carried out in Russia.

Regarding SAM Svetozar Jokanovic said that to date, finally it is unclear whether an appeal is made to Russia to send two divisions SAM "Buk-M1" or one battalion SAM "Buk-M2". In addition, it is possible that the Serbian side is negotiating with Russiay and Belarus regarding the purchase of S-300B / C-300PS of availability.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2401422.html

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:

Militarov wrote:Its confirmed that Belarus will gift to Serbia 8 retired MiG-29s and two "batallions" of Buk air defence system. Cost of modernisation and overhaul will be later determined by joint formed military board.

Source: http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/ci/story/124/drustvo/2609703/sistem-buk-i-migovi-29-iz-belorusije-pregovara-se-o-s-300.html

This should on long run mean Serbia will have 18 MiG-29s on its disposal.

Ηere also says also  Serbia expects to receive two divisions of Buk SAM system

In addition, in the future of Serbia in Minsk plans to buy air defense systems S-300V and S-300P and Belarusian military trucks and construction equipment.

According to Djordjevic, in May this year between the two countries will be conducted negotiations on the establishment of a joint defense body.

As explained by our blog known Serbian expert Svetozar Jokanovic, this deal is a lot of questions, and one of the top - where Serbia would find as many pilots and technicians for the new aircraft. According to him, the Belarusian MiG-29 (type 9-13), which will be transferred to Serbia, can be upgraded according to the standard MiG-29BM. In this connection, it is also interesting to note that the plans changed and in relation to those of the MiG-29, which were transferred to Serbia from Russia in 2016. Now the modernization of these aircraft will be held in Serbia on aircraft repair plant in Moma, but with the technical assistance of Russian specialists. This is a serious change in the views of the Ministry of Defence of Serbia, as originally repair and modernization have been carried out in Russia.

Regarding SAM Svetozar Jokanovic said that to date, finally it is unclear whether an appeal is made to Russia to send two divisions SAM "Buk-M1" or one battalion SAM "Buk-M2". In addition, it is possible that the Serbian side is negotiating with Russiay and Belarus regarding the purchase of S-300B / C-300PS of availability.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2401422.html

Yes, two Buk batallions, which should mean two batteries, probably 12 launchers.

Isos wrote:Do they have enough money to operate all of them ? If not, better spend money on social project.

George1 wrote:Serbian Defense Ministry to Receive Six MiG-29 Jets From Russia by May

medo wrote:I hope all Serb MiG-29 fighters will be upgraded to MiG-29SM standard and becomming fully multirole, like Myanmar will do. MiG-29SM is also equipped with new data link and SATNAV.

Regarding J-22 Orao, I think Serbia could modernize them with Gefest SVP-24, what will give to J-22 SATNAV and new data link and will be compatible with MiG-29SM. They could also equipp them with SOLT-25 from Su-25SM3. I doubt Serbia have money for Solt-25, but SVP-24 would be excellent upgrade package and it is combat proven.

medo wrote:

Cockpit of Serbian MiG-29A (L-18). I would like to ask, if those MiGs went through any deeper modernization or they only change old radar screen with new MFD?

Militarov wrote:

medo wrote:I hope all Serb MiG-29 fighters will be upgraded to MiG-29SM standard and becomming fully multirole, like Myanmar will do. MiG-29SM is also equipped with new data link and SATNAV.

Regarding J-22 Orao, I think Serbia could modernize them with Gefest SVP-24, what will give to J-22 SATNAV and new data link and will be compatible with MiG-29SM. They could also equipp them with SOLT-25 from Su-25SM3. I doubt Serbia have money for Solt-25, but SVP-24 would be excellent upgrade package and it is combat proven.

They are mentioning modernisation, however various sources claim different things, as there is another offer for Belarus MiGs. So modernisation standards are big unknown.

Regarding Orao, major issue is almost unexisting spare parts base for such long service time. There is no point in prolonging service life for something you cant keep flying.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

medo wrote:I hope all Serb MiG-29 fighters will be upgraded to MiG-29SM standard and becomming fully multirole, like Myanmar will do. MiG-29SM is also equipped with new data link and SATNAV.

Regarding J-22 Orao, I think Serbia could modernize them with Gefest SVP-24, what will give to J-22 SATNAV and new data link and will be compatible with MiG-29SM. They could also equipp them with SOLT-25 from Su-25SM3. I doubt Serbia have money for Solt-25, but SVP-24 would be excellent upgrade package and it is combat proven.

They are mentioning modernisation, however various sources claim different things, as there is another offer for Belarus MiGs. So modernisation standards are big unknown.

Regarding Orao, major issue is almost unexisting spare parts base for such long service time. There is no point in prolonging service life for something you cant keep flying.

I agree with you the aircraft are getting old and lack of parts and cost to restart they would be better buying armed multirole Yak-130 than pursuing upgrades etc on Orao it would probably be cheaper and the Yak-130 will be in service in larger numbers for many years to come so no risk of parts shortage. I also doubt the comment made in the article "Experts came to a conclusion that the service life of the jet can be extended to up to 40 years and possibly for another eight years, so in that way Orao can serve up to 48 years,” i would highly doubt such an aircraft would last that long especially considering funding and parts and would such an aircraft be any good in 40yrs?

mack8 wrote:The first two MiG-29s from Russia arrived this evening in Serbia aboard an An-124, with 6 due to arrive by Friday and should be shown on Oct.20, this according to serbian media. Understandably the folks at mycity-military are extatic.
So any more details, what standards will they be, and what about the MiG-29s and Buks from Belarus, any news on that front?
(tbh i was expecting the traitorous american puppets in neighbouring countries to block the passage of the An-124...what route did it took?)

PapaDragon wrote:'
Even though religiously avoid local media I am pretty sure that Serbian liberals are eating their own shit in frustration right about now....

BM-21 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:'
Even though religiously avoid local media I am pretty sure that Serbian liberals are eating their own shit in frustration right about now....

If I correctly understand you, how so? Is the president of Serbia and his government not a bunch of liberals?