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    Post  medo on Sun May 03, 2020 12:57 pm



    Serbian president Vučić visited Pantsir-S1 battery of Serbian army.
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    Post  George1 on Sun May 03, 2020 7:20 pm

    Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and gun systems in service in Serbia


    On May 2, 2020, President of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić, accompanied by Minister of Defense of Serbia Alexander Vulin and Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Serbia, General Milan Moysilovic, visited the location of the 3rd [anti-aircraft] missile battalion of the 250th missile brigade of the Air Force and Air Defense of Serbia in Yakovo in a suburb of Belgrade. This division reconstructed as part of the brigade received six combat vehicles delivered by Serbia at the end of February 2020 of the Russian anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex 96K6 "Pantsir-S1".

    The 3rd missile division, which was part of the 250th air defense missile brigade, was distinguished by the fact that during the NATO military operation against Yugoslavia in 1999, using S-125M1 anti-aircraft missile systems, it shot down the American inconspicuous strike aircraft Lockheed Martin F-117A and Lockheed Martin F-16CJ fighter.
    After the reorganization of 2007, only the 1st and 2nd missile divisions remained in the Serbian 250th Air Defense Missile Brigade,equipped with upgraded S-125M1T air defense systems,and the 230th, 240th and 310th self-propelled missile divisions, equipped with 2K12M Kub-M air defense systems. Now the 2nd missile division as part of the brigade has been renamed the "honorary" 3rd missile division, which has been armed with six combat vehicles ZRPK 96K6 "Pantsir-S1".

    The contract for the supply of a fire battery set (six combat vehicles) to Serbia by the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system was concluded by the Russian side in 2019.
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    Post  medo on Sun May 03, 2020 10:11 pm

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    Post  George1 on Sun May 03, 2020 10:22 pm

    With the introduction of Pantsyr-S1, S-125M1T SAMs will be retired from serbian air defense?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 04, 2020 9:17 am

    I hope not... S-125 is still a useful medium range low to medium altitude system that could be useful against a range of targets... together with Pantsir they are far more useful together than Pantsir on its own.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:42 am

    Presentation of Chinese UAVs SN-92A acquired by Serbia


     On July 4, 2020, at the Serbian Air Force Base in Batajnice, President of Serbia Alexander Vučić and Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Serbia, General Milan Moisilović, participated in the presentation of six new reconnaissance and strike unmanned aerial vehicles CH-92A purchased in China for the armed forces of Serbia.

     Chinese UAVs CH-92A (belonging to the well-known Cai Hong series - "Rainbow") are designed and manufactured by the Beijing of the Chinese Academy of Aerospace Aerodynamics (CAAA, also known as the "Eleventh Academy", formerly called NII-701 ), part of China State Aerospace Corporation China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC).

     Together with the UAV, Serbia acquired 18 FT-8C guided missiles with laser semi-active guidance intended for use from these devices manufactured by the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT), a part of the CASC, and Alexander Vucic said at a presentation in Batajnice about the intention to buy "more missiles." The FT-8C missile has a mass of 18 kg and a range at launch from different heights from 6 to 9 km.

     For the first time, the UAV model SN-92 was demonstrated at an exhibition in Zhuhai in 2012, and then it was stated that the UAV was at the test stage. The marketing of this UAV was carried out by the Chinese foreign trade association Aerospace Long-March International Trade Company (ALIT). Serbia became the first known customer of this UAV by signing an agreement on its purchase with the Chinese side in 2018, which also provides for Chinese assistance in the development of the Pegasus UAV created in Serbia. At the exhibition in Belgrade in 2019, the Pegasus variant with the Chinese FT-8D guided missile was demonstrated.

     According to ALIT's early flyers, the length of the SN-92 is 4.1 m, the height is 1.6 m, the wingspan is 9 m, the maximum take-off weight is 300 kg, the payload is 60 kg (for the SN-92A, According to Serbian data, the maximum take-off weight is 380 kg, the payload weight is 75 kg). As a power plant, a 37.25 kW two-cylinder gasoline engine equipped with a two-blade pushing screw is used. UAV SN-92 is not equipped with a satellite communications system and its range is limited by the radio horizon from the ground control station, which ALIT, very optimistic, estimated at 250 km, flight duration 10 hours. The cruising flight altitude is 1980–2500 m, the maximum altitude is 5980 m (for the SN-92A - 5000 m). Typical cruising speed - 120-160 km/h, maximum speed - 180-190 km/h.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:33 pm

    Serbia STRONG ! Cool

    Anyway, the most important part of this deal is the finalising of the development of the domestic Pegaz drone with Chinese help

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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:35 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Serbia STRONG ! Cool

    Anyway, the most important part of this deal is the finalising of the development of the domestic Pegaz drone with Chinese help

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcEr0zbU0AAW0ov?format=jpg&name=large

    More like total redesign but I ain't complaining since it will definitely be an improvement, final product should have new airframe with V tail

    Our poindexters have already been in China for a month now


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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:15 am

    PapaDragon wrote:...final product should have new airframe with V tail

    Our poindexters have already been in China for a month now



    That could be the new larger UAV they've mentioned during this presentation
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:48 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:...final product should have new airframe with V tail
    Our poindexters have already been in China for a month now

    That could be the new larger UAV they've mentioned during this presentation

    Could be, I wasn't able to track down images so I'm working from memory

    Post it if you have it

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    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:57 am

    Such drones are the best. Not expensive as the MALE, cheap to replace, easy to operate, can destroy two vehicles every time, very low signature...

    I wonder why China didn't give some to Syria to use them effectively against Turks and make them some free add.

    Disappointed that Serbia needs them when they have a similar product.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:08 am

    Isos wrote:...Disappointed that Serbia needs them when they have a similar product.

    We have smaller product

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:43 am

    I don't have any images of the proposed heavier UAV. From what I gather, it's suppose to be able to carry a heavier load and stay in the air longer.

    This report says 15 more CH-92's will be ordered. Although they got the number of delivered UAV's wrong (6 not 9)...I think another set of 6 might be ordered for delivery next year

    A total of nine CH-92A drones plus 18 FT-8C air-to-ground missiles were included in the delivery. Fifteen more drones are expected in future procurements, reports said.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:23 pm

    Came across this pic on a Serbian forum...

    It's a 90mm missile based on the projectile for the M-79 OSA rocket launcher with a laser guidance system added. Apparently it's part of the development of the proposed heavier UAV/Drone

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:11 am

    Serbia has requested from the US to purchase 20 x T-7A Red Hawks. The aircraft is combat capable advanced trainer and is joint design between Boeing and SAAB. If the request is refused, second option is Su-25

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:05 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:...If the request is refused, second option is Su-25

    Translation: You will sell us T-7A or else... lol1


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    Post  kvs on Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:14 pm

    Why not Yak 130?

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    Post  Isos on Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:49 pm

    kvs wrote:Why not Yak 130?


    Stockholm syndrome. They are in love with the ones who bombed them.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:50 pm

    kvs wrote:Why not Yak 130?

    We already bought H-145 from EU, Mi-17, Mi-35 and Pantsir from Russia and drones from China

    We need to buy something from USA because it wouldn't be smart for someone of our size to make Uncle Sam feel left out

    And this thing is brand new so we might as well get in on it early, airplane looks solid plus don't think they will dick us around too much over spare parts (and even if they do it's just a trainer so we can work around it)

    Also diplomacy and lobbying (Kosovo negotiations among other stuff)



    Isos wrote:...Stockholm syndrome. They are in love with the ones who bombed them.

    You guys should know all about it...


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    Post  Isos on Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:54 pm

    You guys should know all about it...

    You mean french people ?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:55 pm

    Isos wrote:
    You guys should know all about it...

    You mean french people ?

    Who else?
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:58 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    You guys should know all about it...

    You mean french people ?

    Who else?

    French are quite independant compare to others. Specially toward US. We let them liberate us in 1945. Go in NATO. Have the nuks. Go out of NATO. Send US back home from France. Oblige them to protect us against soviet missiles. Say no to Iraq war. Armed all the arab state against their Israel. Sell beter weapons than them. Buy almost nothing from them...

    Not really a Stockholm syndrome.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:19 pm

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    You guys should know all about it...

    You mean french people ?

    Who else?

    French are quite independant compare to others. Specially toward US. We let them liberate us in 1945.

    Hahahaha, this here is peak French lol1

    Serbia let USSR liberate us as well, we were totally going to kick the Third Reich out but we couldn't be bothered...



    When was the last time you did anything without American permission?

    Or even more humiliating, when was the last time you did something without German permission?



    Isos wrote:Not really a Stockholm syndrome.

    Suuuuure...

    Also, I don't remember you complaining about Stockholm syndrome when we bought those helicopters from France last year so your sudden complaints about Scandinavian illnesses are looking mighty hypocritical



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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:39 am

    The initial info on this was made by a tabloid with a bombastic headline that made it sound as if the T-7A was about to be purchased. Actually far from it. The deputy def-minister was on a talk show later and explained in a bit more detail.

    The MOD is finalising the next 10 year plan of development and one of the requirements is a aircraft between a trainer and a full blown fighter...sort of a light fighter-bomber, that can attack ground targets as well as assist fighter aviation in airdefence. They believe the T-7A Red Hawk is the best option that fits that role based on capabillty and maintenance costs but want a version modified to Serbian requirements. They've sent a request for info on what package the Americans are willing to provide.

    Other options are also in consideration. He said from the East (Russia) and Far East (China and maybe Korea)...so I guess that would be YAK-130, L-15 or FA-50.

    The Su-25 is also apparently being considered but it's not clear whether that's a separate issue since it's a dedicated ground attack aircraft and is not in production
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:50 am

    Hahahaha, this here is peak French lol1

    Serbia let USSR liberate us as well, we were totally going to kick the Third Reich out but we couldn't be bothered...



    When was the last time you did anything without American permission?

    Or even more humiliating, when was the last time you did something without German permission?

    De Gaulles fucked the US. They planned to occupy France with UK and he fucked them by puting his men everywhere. We even got a seat as a permanent members at UN. And got nuks ourselves.

    France still has it African neo-colonies. USA provide support to french army to control them.

    Germany is an economical power, nothing much. They have their words on that. Only on that.

    Yougoslavia was free from USSR. Soviet tried to kill Tito many times. Yougoslavia was one of the few who created the non-alligned states.

    Get your history right.

    Also, I don't remember you complaining about Stockholm syndrome when we bought those helicopters from France last year so your sudden complaints about Scandinavian illnesses are looking mighty hypocritical

    If I'm not wrong they are not for the army but police.

    France/Serbian relations are better than US/Serbian. And Kosovo was taken only for the US to put their largest base in Europe.

    Also Servia is trying to come in EU so that improves their chances and they buy from EU states (contrary to satelittes countries like Poland). I already stated Serbia have some nice military hardware that could sell to EU members too.

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