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    Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

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    Arkanghelsk


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    Post  Arkanghelsk 30/12/21, 06:45 am

    Rafale is a sweet plane, many of the features are innovative and very nice technological.

    But the only drawback is the combat range. I read somewhere that with 3 fuel tanks it has decent range in low penetration mission.

    But it wont be going over air defenses in that load out , and it's really more point defense fighter with that kind of range.

    Without the supporting role of tankers and other things, mig 35 is better option even mig 29m2 for serb needs with low budget
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    Post  PapaDragon 30/12/21, 10:55 am

    Isos wrote:http://www.opex360.com/2021/12/29/le-rafale-a-les-faveurs-de-la-force-aerienne-serbe/

    Serbia interested by the Rafale.

    This ain't happening

    Rafales are expensive as f*ck and are nowhere near worth the money (which we would prefer to spend on something more useful than aerial bling)

    If we for some reason do go for Western fighter jets it would definitely be American ones

    F-15X, F-18 or even F-35 are all cheaper while offering superior performance to say nothing of infinitely bigger geopolitical cookie points we would get from USA compared to France

    Compared to USA France has nothing to offer in that department



    Only way has would buy Rafales would be if French offered us discount so insane that it would make their previous customers permanently cut diplomatic ties with them (and we ain't getting that discount)



    Also we just recently got our hands on MiG-29s so we are covered for a while on that end



    If you want some rumors that might have some chances of being true (still a long shot) there is one making rounds lately about possibly buying M-346 trainer/combat jets from Italians for $10-15 million a pop (and unlike fighter jets our airforce is currently actually shopping around for this type of plane)







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    Post  Isos 30/12/21, 11:30 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Rafale is a sweet plane, many of the features are innovative and very nice technological.

    But the only drawback is the combat range. I read somewhere that with 3 fuel tanks it has decent range in low penetration mission.

    But it wont be going over air defenses in that load out , and it's really more point defense fighter with that kind of range.

    Without the supporting role of tankers and other things, mig 35 is better option even mig 29m2 for serb needs with low budget

    Take a look at Serbia. They don't need huge range.

    F-15X, F-18 or even F-35 are all cheaper while offering superior performance to say nothing of infinitely bigger geopolitical cookie points we would get from USA compared to France

    Agree for the cost but Rafale destroys all of these US fighters quite easily...

    US doesn't care a lot about Serbia. Serbia is trying to go into EU so it makes sense to buy european. They already ordered MANPADS from france.

    If they however buy a western plane that could get Moscow angry. Your mig-29 were gifted and you spend money on other planes. Quite a joke if you ask me.
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    Post  littlerabbit 31/12/21, 12:29 am

    It's not just Rafales (who knows what will happen with that), they announce bying 180 new JTLV vehicles from USA.

    But we are already producing our own vehicles, Milos...so much stupidity. Shocked

    Btw, we will get 22 new French AESA radars, first batch in 2022.
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    Post  miketheterrible 31/12/21, 02:55 am

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:http://www.opex360.com/2021/12/29/le-rafale-a-les-faveurs-de-la-force-aerienne-serbe/

    Serbia interested by the Rafale.

    That ain't gonna happen.

    Why ? They already bought french stuff.

    Yes, and the cost will be?

    Serbia cannot afford it or they will have then grounded for most part.

    A token buy to buy politics. French are still pissed at USA for Australia ordeal so best bet Serbia sees it as an opportunity to buy a very expensive jet to gain some kind of political points. Otherwise, the jet is mostly useful for nations that have the budget to buy them, maintain them and actually fly them. Serbia budget is rather too small for that.

    I seem to recall years ago Serbia wanted to buy all this Euro junk to suck off for EU integration. Then EU funded anti government protests. Anyway, Serbia isn't in a good position. If they jump to EU, they won't get anything from Russia later. If they jump to Russia, nothing will happen to Serbia and it will be status quo.

    Serbia is better off trying to make stuff for themselves. And if they can't, try to find partners willing to assist them in it. Offer long term contract deals that they will guarantee buying 10+ jets a year till they meet their goal. If they got one that is.
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    Post  Isos 31/12/21, 03:50 am

    I guess if they try to buy it it's gonna be some old from french stocks, same way as Croatia.

    New one is impossible.

    Buying german typhoons could also be a solution. They could get them cheaper as they still operate first version mainly used for air to air.

    In terms of number I couldn't imagine them buying more than 4 anyway.

    Serbia needs to buy from EU if they want investement in their country. You know "free market", "democracy"...
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    Post  PapaDragon 31/12/21, 04:19 am

    littlerabbit wrote:It's not just Rafales (who knows what will happen with that)...

    Nothing

    It's hypothetical discussion over random rumour

    We already have MiG-29s, end of story



    littlerabbit wrote:...they announce bying 180 new JTLV vehicles from USA.

    But we are already producing our own vehicles, Milos...so much stupidity.  ...

    JTVL and Milos are not in the same category, check the specs

    Milos is heavy MRAP

    JTVL is just new version of Humvee

    Since we don't actually make anything in JTVL range buying them to keep USA from getting angsty would be affordable option (definitely better than having to buy their other super expensive stuff)

    We can actualy find use for JTVLs plus they ain't maintenance intensive



    littlerabbit wrote:...Btw, we will get 22 new French AESA radars, first batch in 2022.

    Got any details? This slipped me by

    We are still waiting for those 3 Super-Pumas from French, it's like they are building warships and not helicopters...



    Isos wrote:US doesn't care a lot about Serbia. ...

    Neither does France

    Unlike them USA can at least be useful



    Isos wrote:..Serbia is trying to go into EU so it makes sense to buy european.  ...

    No it doesn't

    Joining EU is not some big deal over here (not anymore anyway)

    It's seen as something to get checked off the list, we can already travel wherever we want in EU and by now everyone knows that there will be no free money from EU (and realistically we already checked all the boxes for membership but regardless it will not be happening anytime soon)

    Also it's clear as day that EU will not be expanding anymore at least for decades to come and once they do decide to expand Croatia will just veto us joining, this ain’t' a big mystery  

    And the moment Kosovo recognition is pulled out as condition for joining (which it will) the whole story will be finished because there no way in hell it would ever pass the referendum  

    So back to topic, we can buy weapons from whomever we want



    Isos wrote:They already ordered MANPADS from france....

    Still not delivered, just like Super-Pumas

    And we also have Kornets from Russia (ordered after French MANPADS but delivered before them, shoddy service by the French)



    miketheterrible wrote:A token buy to buy politics...

    It's not a buy, it's a rumour

    Second hand airplane from second tier power that costs more than top of the line next-gen aircraft from a global superpower?

    Even dumbest local randos know it ain't happening


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    Post  Airbornewolf 31/12/21, 04:24 am

    Rafale is expensive indeed, but proven itself that it also can shoot down U.S F-22's with vector trust in an dogfight.

    he has an lock multiple times, but at 2:34 he has the F-22 dead center.

    But i know 120 Million a piece is an massive ammount of money.

    In that regard why not almost field three Griphen's with nearly the same capacity?.
    https://aviatia.net/dassault-rafale-vs-saab-gripen/

    Did i mention the Griphen does not need fancy,dirt-free NATO runway's?.
    some free piece of road will do just fine. And no heavy machinery needed for servicing.



    If i was Serbia i'd stick with Russian weaponry, because i know NATO will blackmail Serbia with contract's,servicing and parts as soon Serbia does something Nato does not like.
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    Post  Isos 31/12/21, 04:37 pm

    Grippen is worse. There are 10 countries involved in it. Get one angry and no spare parts.

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    Post  littlerabbit 01/01/22, 02:33 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    littlerabbit wrote:...Btw, we will get 22 new French AESA radars, first batch in 2022.

    Got any details? This slipped me by

    We are still waiting for those 3 Super-Pumas from French, it's like they are building warships and not helicopters...


    We will get Ground Master GM 400 and GM 200 radars, that's all I know. dunno

    First units will arrive in 2022.

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