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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:43 am

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Alright Mike, and the others derailing this thread....take your discussion to the relevant thread, and I'm going to request GarryB to clean this one up:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2433-western-propaganda


    ....Besides none of you guys are even talking about how the leader of Malaysia has completely and publicly destroyed the MH17 narrative, something I talked about back in 2014 that the Malaysian side accepted the Russians view in this situation when they discussed the matter privately.

    This is not news to most of us.    


    Wrong! It is news, because the Malaysian side never FULLY came out against the narrative before....all they did back in 2014 was quietly accepted/acknowledged the Russian sides explanation, that then since disappeared in between the ether and the narratives. Nobody (besides me) actually pointed this out, not even those on the Philo-Rus side of the equation. Yes it is news for a lot of people, because if it wasn't far many more people would actually (more frequently) pointed out the tectonic Russian-Malaysian meeting from back in 2014.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:11 am

    Lots of good points and it is good a neutral but interested party is now recognising that the previous BS was politicised and not the truth, and that is all they are after... like the west claims it is but isn't.

    The jersey is unravelling and soon the Ukraine will be left wearing nothing but a frown...
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    Post  Ispan on Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:58 am

    Another encouraging sign:

    with no ammunition factories, someday the Ukrainian army would run out of ammunition, in spite of the vast stores inherited from the Soviet Union.

    In December 2017 the Ukrainian general in charge of logistics admitted the situation would be critical in one year, two at the most. Fighting, and specially artillery shelling has abated somewhat in the last year, indeed there was a lull during summer 2017, wich has reduced consumption. Had they gone at the same rate as in 2015-2016, war would have already be over.

    Thing that has been noticed already is that the enemy fires less often with artillery, most of the incoming is mortar shelling. Now that they have to request rifle cartridges from Lithuania it's a sign of depletion of stocks. It's a relatively small amount, just one million rounds for rifles and machine guns, but that they bother at all it's a sign that they are tapping every available source of ammunition from foreign countries.

    http://antimaydan.info/2019/06/litva_peredala_ukraine_spisannye_patrony_na_256_tys.html
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:44 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Wrong! It is news, because the Malaysian side never FULLY came out against the narrative before..

    That's because they've got their old PM back in power....he doesn't hold back his views
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:01 pm

    https://m.vz.ru/world/2019/6/13/982176.html?utm_campaign=vz&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=push
    Ukrainian tank building died

    June 13, 2019 10:36

    Text: Mikhail Bolshakov

    One of the most ambitious military-industrial projects in Ukraine can be considered buried. Ukrainian tank BM "Oplot", which at one time so praised Poroshenko, will no longer be made. Why was Ukraine unable to support the release of such an important technology for it and how did the gap between Kiev and Moscow affect it?
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:44 pm

    On a lighter note

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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:48 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:https://m.vz.ru/world/2019/6/13/982176.html?utm_campaign=vz&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=push
    Ukrainian tank building died

    June 13, 2019 10:36

    Text: Mikhail Bolshakov

    One of the most ambitious military-industrial projects in Ukraine can be considered buried. Ukrainian tank BM "Oplot", which at one time so praised Poroshenko, will no longer be made. Why was Ukraine unable to support the release of such an important technology for it and how did the gap between Kiev and Moscow affect it?

    Thai soldiers praying that their Oplots do not break down and need new parts.

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    Post  VARGR198 on Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:41 pm

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgorlovka.today%2Fblogs%2F18568-rezultaty-politiki-poroshenko-5-zavodov-ukrainy-ne-perezhili-dekommunizatsiyu

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgorlovka.today%2Fblogs%2F18568-rezultaty-politiki-poroshenko-5-zavodov-ukrainy-ne-perezhili-dekommunizatsiyu
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    Post  kvs on Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:28 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgorlovka.today%2Fblogs%2F18568-rezultaty-politiki-poroshenko-5-zavodov-ukrainy-ne-perezhili-dekommunizatsiyu

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgorlovka.today%2Fblogs%2F18568-rezultaty-politiki-poroshenko-5-zavodov-ukrainy-ne-perezhili-dekommunizatsiyu

    Thanks for the links giving us specifics. But I know what the coup regime maggots are thinking. They think they will reproduce the Polish "success" story
    where Germany moved in and took over the economy. We are dealing with pathological welfare bum thinking here. These Ukr retards actually expect
    that others will wipe their asses for them. Even the pro-Russian fraction still left in Banderastan is thinking that Russia will ride in to save the day.
    Of course, if Russia doesn't deliver then they will hate Russia. No sense of responsibility in these hill billies whatsoever.

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    Post  Ispan on Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:50 pm

    Today there was heavy shelling of the suburbs of Donetsk, and in the front the situation is much worse

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2019/06/19/noticias-de-la-guerra-19-06-2019/

    Not looking good, Khodakovsky admits positions have to be repaired every two weeks due to the constant shellings and they cannot return fire because there are orders to conserve ammunition.

    Unfortunately if the Ukrops are running out of ammo, so do the Novorussians, the stocks captured in 2014-2015 are finite and must be running low, save for small arms cartridges that are produced in Lugansk factory. However, at least the Donbass defenders can rely on supplies from Russia if things get too bad. The Ukrops can't count on outside sources.

    I am expecting soon to see news appearing about new waves of wounded arriving on the Ukraine rear hospitals.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:46 pm

    Ispan wrote:

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2019/06/19/noticias-de-la-guerra-19-06-2019/


    Thank you, here is Yandex translation of your original at the link


    News of the war 19/06/2019
    19 June, 2019 Zhukov

    No longer wait at night, at dawn the ukros bombed, video, the “arrivals " are clearly heard”

    Утренний обстрел Донецка террористами Зеленского, 4 утра 19.06.2019

    ВСУ в очередной раз обстреляли Петровский район Донецка (19.06.2019)

    This time they bombed the suburbs of Donetsk, and since there is no way to censor it, as they tell the truth, dozens of explosions: 110 hits of 122mm cannon shells and 53 120mm mortar shells . A shell hit a children's hospital, fortunately without causing any casualties. A dozen damaged houses. In Gorlovka some twenty artillery shells of 122 and 152mm fell. And that's just what falls into inhabited places. Imagine what's going on at the front, confirmed by Khodakovsky in the interview I quote.

    In total, the observers officially recorded 400 attacks, from shootings to bombings, twice as many as yesterday.

    This means dozens of dead and wounded.

    And in other news... how bad will be the thing that allows Donbass to return to Aleksandr Khodakovsky, chief of the Vostok Battalion and one of the few militia leaders who has survived the war and all the purges. He seems to me to be a rather shady character, but it is undeniable that he has some influence and combat experience.

    I don't know if it's how the Russians express themselves or the blame is on the translation, but it seems very pedantic.:

    http://antimaydan.info/2019/06/osnovatel_batalona_vostok_rasskazal_zachem_vernulsya_v_donbass.html

    The relevant fragment:

    “The situation is quite worrying. So far there is no indication that the enemy will move on to the offensive, but at the same time, it shows much activity. Every day our positions are attacked by the enemy. Unfortunately we have very few chances of response.. We have a very strict ban on returning fire. We also have very little ammunition. We only have an "emergency reserve" our response to the adversary, silence and patience. And so-regularly in the middle of the night, on time the enemy is engaged in hammering our positions. The positions on the front line have to be rebuilt a couple of times a month because they are simply destroyed by the enemy. “

    Khodakovsky is lying, because the arrival of wounded people in Ukrainian hospitals and the flaring of their own guns audible by civilians show that they are responding to fire, apart from shooting with rifles and machine guns.

    Another thing is that he will probably tell the truth that there are orders to save ammunition, because the captured stocks are not inexhaustible, although the novorusians may eventually receive supplies from Russia. But I rather believe the order is to have enough ammunition available in case of a major attack.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:09 am

    Ispan wrote:Today there was heavy shelling of the suburbs of Donetsk, and in the front the situation is much worse

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2019/06/19/noticias-de-la-guerra-19-06-2019/

    ......


    Thanks for updates dude thumbsup
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    Post  kvs on Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:31 pm

    https://rusvesna.su/news/1561132307

    A 36 year old Ukrainian machine shop worker in Poland experienced a medical emergency. Instead of calling an ambulance and taking him
    to a hospital his Polish co-workers dumped him in a forest to die.

    May Ukr retards keep on hating Russians and loving Polaks. They deserve each other.

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    Post  Ispan on Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:32 am

    My latest report: It was easier just to translate from Russian into english and edit it and post it straight, do not check my blog for today's entry as it will be the same as this, only translated again into Spanish


    http://antimaydan.info/2019/06/donbass_v_ogne_zelenskij_vzyal_kurs_na_unichtozhenie_dnr_i_lnr.html

    Relevant excerpts, I edited the translation a bit to make it more readable

    — The number of attacks in both republics grew from the first days of the reign Zelensky on Ukrainian throne, says Donetsk journalist and blogger Marina Kharkova.

    The only days when they are almost not there, it is on 19 and 20 may, the day before and the day of the inauguration. Ukrainian fighters waited, but there was no mistake about them: in the army we had declared a state of high alert on the streets increased the number of employees of the interior Ministry, which controls the roadblocks, the streets and intersections of cities. After just a few hours after the change of power in Ukraine on all fronts began a new aggravation, which resulted in the injury of civilians, the new deaths of our soldiers. I do not really understand why the media overreacted to this shelling of Donetsk, as in previous days enemy deliberately and severely shelled  on the Petrovsky district of the city, where he was wounded civilians and burned homes, to this day-in-day and night-to-night burned and massively shelled the suburbs of Gorlovka — POS Dolomite, Golmovsky, Zaytsevo, the village of Gagarin mine and Ozeryanovka, fell under the fire of a village Novoazovskiy district DNR to the South, Shanka, October and Kominternovo. Many positions hit  by enemy artillery fire , not just a mortar, but concentrated fire of artillery caliber of 122 mm and 152 were . So that the hospital received dozens of wounded and concussed. As for goals, the Ukrainian military and the politics did not change: this goal is to completely destroy the resistance of the republics, people, economy, infrastructure, all facilities of life. Therefore, the attacks will not stop. The Minsk format continues to kill us slowly but surely.

    But Ukrainian media claimed earlier that the escalation began in early June when the enemy 24th mechanized brigade  took another gray area in the area of Marinka, moving forward  500 meters...

    — Enemy is advancing in the grey area constantly, reducing it to a minimum, and it is happening everywhere.
    [comment: they have been "creeping forwards" for years, no-man's land is indeed narrower that what the Minsk accords prescribe, but the fact that there has been no breakthrough, and the enemy keeps again and again "leap frogging" means that their advance is seldom consolidated. Often times the new positions are unsustainable and they have to withdra back to the start line, starting again and again

    They dig their fortifications forward, almost right next to our trenches. Talk about it our soldiers and North-Western borders of Donetsk and Dokuchaevsk and Gorlovka.The enemy is insolent fitting equipment, feeling at ease because of the ban on the fire which is in the most rigid form must abide by our soldiers. Business often takes moronic turnover of the Commission require a written explanation, why exactly our defenders fired at the enemy . Such humanity to the enemy and humiliating restrictions for the defending side the practice of war is not yet known.

    Comment:This is a usual complaint, and has some truth to it, but the reason probably has more to do with conserving ammunition that abidding by Minsk ceasefire. Actually the hundreds of casualties suffered every month by the ukrops prove that the Novorussians do fire back in earnest. And Minsk doesn't say a word about patrols, or raids, and one guy who was there at the front admitted that the  Novorussians are hardly innocent as there are plenty of unauthorized provokations to goad the enemy into firing and then claim they are breaking the "truce"

    Fire started long ago and not so much in Donetsk, how many near Gorlovka, where enemy captured towns in the gray area Travneve Gladosovo and Chigiri it is under heavy fire Dolomite and Golm actual half-encircled is long-suffering city Dokuchaevsk, a critical situation on the southern front. For some reason, not heard the true sad picture of the military situation of the republics — I do not know. This, of course, is not about what our soldiers are dumped or left position, all on the ground, and that continuous fighting with the permanent loss of a critical drain on our human resource, to make up for that especially there is nobody. Some positions defended by soldiers repeatedly wounded and shell-shocked, physically and mentally devastated. The defense only holds due to  their heroism

    Comment:The rest of the paper is snipped as I hear from an acquaintance that this woman is war weary and deppressed and unduly pessimistic. She exagerates about the strength and motivation of the enemy.

    Other report confirms that: In the south the situation has worsened, it became known there was a tactical retreat from a position in a commanding height due to unsustainable losses,  that again confirms the intensity of the fighting and shelling is several times higher than what is officially reported



    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/antimaydan.info/2019/06/vojna_na_donbasse_armiya_dnr_pokinula_vysotu_derzkaya_voennaya_tehnik.html

    War correspondent Alexander Sladkov commented on the worsening situation in the Donbass.

    ...

    So, curators of Ukraine believe that the resource war in the Donbass, as a lever of pressure on Russia has not been exhausted. This cynical point of view, unfortunately, is clearly shared by Vladimir Zelensky.

    ...

    One of the most important military news (I only found out about it, although it happened two months ago): the defenders of Donbass abandoned the height of the "Derzkaya", it's in the South, on the Azov sea coast. This height was and observation post and very important to the balance of forces. And watered it with the blood of soldiers of Donbass profusely. Died there defending nearly every week. On top of the Ukrainian artillery shells hollowed crater, a giant crater,  the defenders had already nowhere to hide


       And I'm glad "Derzkaya"is gone. Because of unsustainable losses. Her defense was abandoned due to the shelling, staying there you could die five times before being relieved, and I now and then was infinitely sorry for these guys. How many lives given for it... And here Donbass military from the height left, it was a trap, now it is in no-man's-land.

    ...

    do you want me to show you another sign of possible further deterioration of the situation in the Donbass? Everyone who enters from DNR to Russia or Vice versa, necessarily passing through Russian town of Matveyev Kurgan.

       Now, there has long existed a exhibit of the Ministry of Defense of Russia. There periodically lining up the tanks by the dozens, lanzacohetes "Grad", then the BMP fifty armored vehicles at once. Why? Yes this is a hint to Kiev, saying: "We all see and, if anything happens, we will respond!"
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:16 pm

    Thanks Ispan, another valuable contribution to the thread.
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    Post  VARGR198 on Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:42 pm

    Ex-Ambassador of Malaysia to the Netherlands expressed doubts about the impunity of the RCC in the case of the crash of Boeing 777

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    Post  kvs on Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:31 pm



    Kiev regime monkeys start a shit-flinging tantrum at PACE after Russia gets fully re-instated. Not that I care about PACE, but
    these savages can't hide their true essence.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:00 am

    PACE membership gives them access to the European court of human rights which is a political tool used by europe to punish Russia for not being european enough...

    Personally I don't think it benefits Russia to be part of this organisation and they should just leave and let them fester in their own anger and bile.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:31 am

    GarryB wrote:PACE membership gives them access to the European court of human rights which is a political tool used by europe to punish Russia for not being european enough...

    Personally I don't think it benefits Russia to be part of this organisation and they should just leave and let them fester in their own anger and bile.

    I don't understand whats the point of them joining PACE, the ECHR has NEVER ruled in their favor, so they were paying money to be demonized by them. Again this is really perplexing.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:26 pm

    The policy for the last 19 years has been to appease and pretend to be weak. It has been a successful policy. Only now is the USA
    scrambling to build hypersonic weapons and has realized its ABM shield is worthless. NATO has missed the boat. The boat of
    Russia's revival.

    Judging by the reaction of the Ukr chimps, Russia is doing the right thing. Anything to dilute the moral certitude in the precious hyena
    pack called NATO is a diplomatic win. The recent "capitulation" of the EU to Russia over gas transit through Banderastan is another
    win.

    The key is that only total delusion can propel NATO into a war against Russia. The more doses of reality that NATO gets, the less
    chance of it going on some cakewalk like Napoleon and Hitler. Don't underestimate and ignore Russia's efforts to break through
    the thick skulls of western ubermenschen. It may yet pull off an epic diffusion of the drang nach osten spasm that has been
    building up.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:45 am

    The problem is that I don't think the west can be fixed whether from the inside or from afar.

    Russia needs to realise its future is not with the west, it is with the rest of the world who aren't actually interested in the wests PC bullshit and are desperate for an alternative... China has shown Africa there are real alternatives to trade without the morality BS they get from the west, and I think Russia should do the same and offer a trade partner with all the technology and capability of the west but without the control and ridicule...
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:30 pm

    kvs wrote:https://rusvesna.su/news/1561132307

    A 36 year old Ukrainian machine shop worker in Poland experienced a medical emergency.  Instead of calling an ambulance and taking him
    to a hospital his Polish co-workers dumped him in a forest to die.

    May Ukr retards keep on hating Russians and loving Polaks.  They deserve each other.




    The article states that is yet an unproven allegation. Nice try. The employers in question deny that he ever worked for them.

    Yes, there are many evil employers in Poland, and most of their victims are ethnic Poles. Why do you think three millions of Poles left Poland since 2004?

    But this is thus far an unproven allegation.


    And most ethnic Ukrainians hate ethnic Poles.

    Destruction of legal Polish victims monuments in Ukraine, erections of illegal monuments in Poland that honor the genocidal-terrorist UPA & SS, extremely cynical and insulting anti-Polish demonstrations in Ukraine and even now in Poland (Sahryn and elsewhere), murders of ethnic Poles in the current Poland, a grenade attack on a Polish consulate in Ukraine.

    Does that sound like they love ethnic Poles?



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    Post  Regular on Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:05 am

    kvs wrote:https://rusvesna.su/news/1561132307

    A 36 year old Ukrainian machine shop worker in Poland experienced a medical emergency.  Instead of calling an ambulance and taking him
    to a hospital his Polish co-workers dumped him in a forest to die.

    May Ukr retards keep on hating Russians and loving Polaks.  They deserve each other.


    Where are you from? Everyone knows that Ukrainians hate Polish more than Russians and Polish hate Ukrainians more than russkies as well.

    Russians in Poland would never praise Katyn or talk shit to the guests same as Poles don't do that when visiting Moscow.
    In 2018 ukrainians gathered in southern Poland to march for Bandera and this provoked Polish gov to criminalise this. Communism, nazism and banderism is banned there.

    Ukrainians have very very very very bad image in Poland.
    I have plenty of polish friends who uniformly said- Russia might be enemy, but Ukrainians are backstabbing bitches.
    Worse than Nazis or Soviets.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:37 pm

    Regular wrote:
    kvs wrote:https://rusvesna.su/news/1561132307

    A 36 year old Ukrainian machine shop worker in Poland experienced a medical emergency.  Instead of calling an ambulance and taking him
    to a hospital his Polish co-workers dumped him in a forest to die.

    May Ukr retards keep on hating Russians and loving Polaks.  They deserve each other.


    Where are you from? Everyone knows that Ukrainians hate Polish more than Russians and Polish hate Ukrainians more than russkies as well.

    Russians in Poland would never praise Katyn or talk shit to the guests same as Poles don't do that when visiting Moscow.
    In 2018 ukrainians gathered in southern Poland to march for Bandera and this provoked Polish gov to criminalise this. Communism, nazism and banderism is banned there.

    Ukrainians have very very very very bad image in Poland.
    I have plenty of polish friends who uniformly said- Russia might be enemy, but Ukrainians are backstabbing bitches.
    Worse than Nazis or Soviets.
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    That is why I made my post. Ukrs are retards. They hate Russians who do not hate them. But they try to suck Polish cock even
    though Poles don't like them and there is bad blood between them over the previous centuries. There is not a single similar case
    of even a western Ukrainian worker (and there tens of thousands of them in Russia) being treated the way that these Polish
    business owners treat them. Ukrs are retards.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:06 am

    kvs wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    kvs wrote:https://rusvesna.su/news/1561132307

    A 36 year old Ukrainian machine shop worker in Poland experienced a medical emergency.  Instead of calling an ambulance and taking him
    to a hospital his Polish co-workers dumped him in a forest to die.

    May Ukr retards keep on hating Russians and loving Polaks.  They deserve each other.


    Where are you from? Everyone knows that Ukrainians hate Polish more than Russians and Polish hate Ukrainians more than russkies as well.

    Russians in Poland would never praise Katyn or talk shit to the guests same as Poles don't do that when visiting Moscow.
    In 2018 ukrainians gathered in southern Poland to march for Bandera and this provoked Polish gov to criminalise this. Communism, nazism and banderism is banned there.

    Ukrainians have very very very very bad image in Poland.
    I have plenty of polish friends who uniformly said- Russia might be enemy, but Ukrainians are backstabbing bitches.
    Worse than Nazis or Soviets.
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #27 - Page 34 3jwx0kK

    That is why I made my post.   Ukrs are retards.  They hate Russians who do not hate them.  But they try to suck Polish cock even
    though Poles don't like them and there is bad blood between them over the previous centuries.    There is not a single similar case
    of even a western Ukrainian worker (and there tens of thousands of them in Russia) being treated the way that these Polish
    business owners treat them.    Ukrs are retards.


    There's not much love of Ukrainians in Russia, more like indifference, like Russians are just ignoring them.
    Ukrayobs in Moscow sometimes try to pull same shit like in Poland. Like waving UPA flags in a protest in Russia and etc. In Moscow you would have little risk of being beaten up as well as people there are too busy to even notice or care about sucb shit.

    Ukrainians did so many stupid stunts like that in Russia..


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