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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:18 pm

    Radical Ukrainian Nationalism and the War in Chechnya
    https://jamestown.org/program/radical-ukrainian-nationalism-and-the-war-in-chechnya-2/#.U-aXmxMicTE

    What comes around, goes around:
    From 2014: https://jamestown.org/program/caucasians-have-mixed-attitudes-toward-volunteers-fighting-in-eastern-ukraine-2/#.U-aYjhMid4c

    I'm sure many men from the N. Caucasus r still in Donbass now on fighting the side of D/LPR.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:51 am

    Dude, no disrespect meant, but there is no way in hell I am going to click to open those links... if you find their articles interesting post some bullet points here and we can discuss it, but I really don't want to visit that site.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:13 am

    Different open sources help 1 to hone the skill of reading between the lines. The official Soviet press was a good source of info. in that context, esp. when compared with contemporary Western sources.
    Even absence of any info. there on any particular event or subject was louder than words.
    Even reading the Mein Kampf can be useful in forming an informed opinion. In fact, many university students in the US read it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:34 pm

    The Orcs were literally caught with their pants down, DPR militia were using ATGM's to wack the weasels out their hole, and picking them off with Dragunov fire, a strategy that's gained popularity originally in Syria...SLAVA A HOLE IN UKRANIUM!!!


    https://vk.com/video-128368123_456244583
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    Post  kvs on Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:06 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The Orcs were literally caught with their pants down, DPR militia were using ATGM's to wack the weasels out their hole, and picking them off with Dragunov fire, a strategy that's gained popularity originally in Syria...SLAVA A HOLE IN UKRANIUM!!!


    https://vk.com/video-128368123_456244583

    They looked like they were having group gay sex without their pants and scurrying like a rat nest.

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    Post  nero on Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:47 pm

    https://thesaker.is/breaking-news-the-ukraine-has-signed-the-steinmayer-formula/

    &

    https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2019/09/look-whos-not-laughing.html

    Very important reads to understand what is currently happening in Ukraine.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:57 am

    HAhahahaha... thanks for posting those Nero... especially the latter... I have been saying as much myself here...

    The coloured revolution in the Ukraine was all about destroying the imperial ambitions of Russia in Europe by the US and the west, and that only has two flaws as admitted in the second link... first the Russians already have more territory than they know what to do with, and second that for Russia, the Ukraine has been a burden and a drain on Russia, so good riddance.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:59 pm

    Steinmeyer formula is in action.

    So, waht's next/

    I came across an interesting article about the (apparently) rising pro-Polish(!) separatism in Galicia and that SBU considers it to be stronger than pro-Russian one in the East.
    https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-sbu-is-concerned-about-galician-separatism-in-favour-of-poland/
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:50 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Steinmeyer formula is in action.

    So, waht's next/

    I think more of the same probably.

    They'll find a 100 reasons why not to actually implement what they've signed
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:46 pm

    The use of aviation of Ukraine during the war in the Donbass
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:03 am

    Different open sources help 1 to hone the skill of reading between the lines. The official Soviet press was a good source of info. in that context, esp. when compared with contemporary Western sources.
    Even absence of any info. there on any particular event or subject was louder than words.
    Even reading the Mein Kampf can be useful in forming an informed opinion. In fact, many university students in the US read it.

    Yeah, very open minded of you, but I would rather not read their shit.

    I don't want to try to understand them better, or look at their reasonings and world view... I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:01 am

    Ironically, I can see the same happening again... the US got involved and empowered some nazis and some anti Russian people to take over Kiev... and when they did some people objected... not all were pro Russian, some might just have been anti nazi or did not want to accept such obviously corrupt politicians hand picked by the Americans... I am sure they prefer to pick their own corrupt politicians...

    Having Zelensky in power steering away from the anti Russian course to a more cooperative and conciliatory course where better relations with Russia help the economy of the Ukraine and make things better for the people, might lead to those who think Russia is the problem to rise up in a rebellion of their own... the question is... will that uprising be supported by the west in general or EU and US or one or the other.

    From the phone call released by Trump... thanks democrats... it is pretty clear Trump is not interested in funding a failed state like the Ukraine and would rather have better relations with Russia, so as Micron has already stated he wants better relations with Russia I suspect both the EU and US are going to turn on the Ukraine to get better relations with Russia... which leaves the orcs in the shit... doesn't mean they can't have their own little civil war with the pro polish states breaking away... but I suspect the cost of autonomy for more pro russian regions will be a fragmented ukraine... with the other parts picking a direction they will want to lean... it just all depends on who will volunteer to carry them...

    Be amusing to hear western leaders who say kosovo is not part of serbia and crimea is not part of russia and south ossetia and abkhazia are part of georgia... are they going to allow the Ukraine to be split up like yugoslavia was split up?

    I guess it depends on who gets what pieces.
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    Hundreds of Western Neo-Nazis Are Rotating Through Ukraine to Fight Empire’s War on Pro-Russian Rebels

    The more of them killed there, the better! A hunchback will get straight only in his grave!

    Joe Biden must be prosecuted for orchestrating coup in Ukraine


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:56 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Steinmeyer formula is in action.

    So, waht's next/

    I came across an interesting article about the (apparently) rising pro-Polish(!) separatism in Galicia and that SBU considers it to be stronger than pro-Russian one in the East.
    https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-sbu-is-concerned-about-galician-separatism-in-favour-of-poland/


    What a bull-shit story.

    If it was for real they would have already started demolishing all those UPA & SS monuments.


    But clearly they are not demolishing these monuments, so actions speak much louder than words.


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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:04 pm

    What's with the new deal? Ukraine's recognition of Crimea in exchange for Donbas back to Ukraine?
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    Post  franco on Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:37 pm

    Most Ukrainians against codifying Donbas's special status in Ukrainian constitution, favor talks with Donetsk, Luhansk - poll

    KYIV. Oct 11 (Interfax) - More than half of Ukrainians - 56% - do not support the idea of granting special status to Donbas and codifying it in the constitution, as seen from a public opinion poll of 2,015 respondents aged 18 and older conducted by the Razumkov Cener on October 4-9.

    Only 26% of those polled support the idea.

    The idea of making Ukraine a federation is rejected by 63% of those polled, while 17% support it.

    As concerns the political future of the Donbas areas not controlled by Kyiv (ORDLO), 56% of Ukrainians wanted their reincorporation into the Donetsk and Luhansk regions on the same terms as before, 13.5% said these areas should be reincorporated into Ukraine but have more independence from Kyiv, 10% that these territories should have autonomous status within Ukraine, 3% that they be separated from Ukraine and become independent states, and 3% that they be separated from Ukraine and become part of Russia.

    Only 23.5% of the respondents insist on achieving peace in Donbas through the use of force (52% are against this). Only 12% would support the separation of the territories occupied by the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (73% against), and only 10% would support the recognition of Crimea as part of Russia in exchange for the liberation of Donbas (70% against).

    As many as 41.5% of those polled support the idea of starting official negotiations with the current ORDLO leadership, while 39% disapprove of this.

    As many as 47% of the respondents do not support the idea of arranging trade-economic and financial contacts with the DPR and LPR (36% support this), and 44% disapprove of the idea to end the financing of those territories (the payment of pensions, salaries, etc.), while 33% approve of it.

    At the same time, asked what compromises they see as unacceptable for settling peace in Donbas, 59% of those polled mentioned pardoning those who were involved in the fighting (18% would support this measure) 59% the abandoning of Ukraine's course toward European integration (19% would support it), 56% granting the Russian language official status (29.5% would agree to this), and 54% the abandoning of Ukraine's aspirations to become a NATO member (25% would agree).

    NOTE: this doesn't fill one with much optimism for any political settlement. Sounds more like a "to keep your cake and eat it too" scenario... don't want war but don't want to compromise. The not wanting to compromise is unfortunately the cause of this all to begin with.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:11 am

    franco wrote:Most Ukrainians against codifying Donbas's special status in Ukrainian constitution, favor talks with Donetsk, Luhansk - poll

    KYIV. Oct 11 (Interfax) - More than half of Ukrainians - 56% - do not support the idea of granting special status to Donbas and codifying it in the constitution, as seen from a public opinion poll of 2,015 respondents aged 18 and older conducted by the Razumkov Cener on October 4-9.

    Only 26% of those polled support the idea.

    The idea of making Ukraine a federation is rejected by 63% of those polled, while 17% support it.

    As concerns the political future of the Donbas areas not controlled by Kyiv (ORDLO), 56% of Ukrainians wanted their reincorporation into the Donetsk and Luhansk regions on the same terms as before, 13.5% said these areas should be reincorporated into Ukraine but have more independence from Kyiv, 10% that these territories should have autonomous status within Ukraine, 3% that they be separated from Ukraine and become independent states, and 3% that they be separated from Ukraine and become part of Russia.

    Only 23.5% of the respondents insist on achieving peace in Donbas through the use of force (52% are against this). Only 12% would support the separation of the territories occupied by the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (73% against), and only 10% would support the recognition of Crimea as part of Russia in exchange for the liberation of Donbas (70% against).

    As many as 41.5% of those polled support the idea of starting official negotiations with the current ORDLO leadership, while 39% disapprove of this.

    As many as 47% of the respondents do not support the idea of arranging trade-economic and financial contacts with the DPR and LPR (36% support this), and 44% disapprove of the idea to end the financing of those territories (the payment of pensions, salaries, etc.), while 33% approve of it.

    At the same time, asked what compromises they see as unacceptable for settling peace in Donbas, 59% of those polled mentioned pardoning those who were involved in the fighting (18% would support this measure) 59% the abandoning of Ukraine's course toward European integration (19% would support it), 56% granting the Russian language official status (29.5% would agree to this), and 54% the abandoning of Ukraine's aspirations to become a NATO member (25% would agree).

    NOTE: this doesn't fill one with much optimism for any political settlement. Sounds more like a "to keep your cake and eat it too" scenario... don't want war but don't want to compromise. The not wanting to compromise is unfortunately the cause of this all to begin with.

    And this is why I think Russia is wasting time trying to play nice with Kiev. There is a general belief that eventually Ukraine will go back to Russia but judging by this, the youth doesn't want that and well, they are the future. So I think its a pointless endeavor.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:01 am

    GarryB wrote:Ironically, I can see the same happening again... the US got involved and empowered some nazis and some anti Russian people to take over Kiev... and when they did some people objected... not all were pro Russian, some might just have been anti nazi or did not want to accept such obviously corrupt politicians hand picked by the Americans... I am sure they prefer to pick their own corrupt politicians...

    Having Zelensky in power steering away from the anti Russian course to a more cooperative and conciliatory course where better relations with Russia help the economy of the Ukraine and make things better for the people, might lead to those who think Russia is the problem to rise up in a rebellion of their own... the question is... will that uprising be supported by the west in general or EU and US or one or the other.

    From the phone call released by Trump... thanks democrats... it is pretty clear Trump is not interested in funding a failed state like the Ukraine and would rather have better relations with Russia, so as Micron has already stated he wants better relations with Russia I suspect both the EU and US are going to turn on the Ukraine to get better relations with Russia... which leaves the orcs in the shit... doesn't mean they can't have their own little civil war with the pro polish states breaking away... but I suspect the cost of autonomy for more pro russian regions will be a fragmented ukraine... with the other parts picking a direction they will want to lean... it just all depends on who will volunteer to carry them...

    Be amusing to hear western leaders who say kosovo is not part of serbia and crimea is not part of russia and south ossetia and abkhazia are part of georgia... are they going to allow the Ukraine to be split up like yugoslavia was split up?

    I guess it depends on who gets what pieces.

    Don't expect much.

    Zelensky said that after Donbass and Lughansk situation is dealt with, he will concentrate on all his power to try and take Crimea. So there will never be peace between the two till Ukraine finally admits that Crimea wasn't theirs legally to begin with.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:57 am

    Zelensky is going to have to retake Crimea with a bunch of peasants with pitchforks. While he trash talks about taking this and that,
    Ukraine is de-industrializing and is undergoing a large population decline. Judging by all the data, it really looks like it will devolve into
    a 3rd world country and will not bounce back to normalcy like happened after the 1990s. Ukraine's economic ties to Russia allowed it
    to revive until 2014. But now it is sinking fast and its new pals and masters in NATO are watching and doing nothing.

    Seriously, for clowns who spout about the regular Russian army occupying the Donbass and fighting Ukr "heroes", any plans of military
    conquest are a sad joke. The Kiev regime wouldn't be able to even seize a small amount of Crimean territory and would have its
    ass handed to it on a plate in a few days. They are not ready for such reality even though they should learn from Gabunistan,
    formerly known as Georgia.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:26 am

    What's with the new deal? Ukraine's recognition of Crimea in exchange for Donbas back to Ukraine?

    I rather doubt if Russia cares about what the Ukraine does or does not recognise regarding the Crimea... the Crimea wants to be part of the Russian Federation and anything the Ukraine thinks in that regard is irrelevant.

    Even if that was something they wanted I very much doubt they would hand the Ukraine anything let alone the Donbass... which they have no right to anyway (Russia that is).

    The Ukraine needs to recognise various regions rights to not take direct rule of law from Kiev... especially when they are spouting shit like demanding Ukrainians don't speak Russian as most do.

    The Ukraine tried to make eastern areas conform to their ideology without consultation, and many of those areas said no. Kiev then decided to force them to comply by shelling and bombing them, and various groups resisted and pushed them back... that is the situation now.

    Kiev can continue to fight its losing war, or it can make different offers to these regions.

    The new agreement is about disarming and a peaceful diplomatic settlement where the eastern regions remain part of the Ukraine but Kiev gets much less say in their internal affairs and they get autonomy... if they don't agree with that then it is likely they will want to separate from the Ukraine and the artificial country of the Ukraine will shatter like Yugoslavia did 25 something years ago.

    Really all up to Kiev at the moment but Trump does not seem to be very supportive and it seems the EU likely wont be either when they hear what was said about them in that call that was released to the public.

    NOTE: this doesn't fill one with much optimism for any political settlement. Sounds more like a "to keep your cake and eat it too" scenario... don't want war but don't want to compromise. The not wanting to compromise is unfortunately the cause of this all to begin with.

    The Crimea have voted at least 6 times before in the past to rejoin Russia or at least separate from the Ukraine and every time they were ignored... what makes anyone think Kiev gives a shit what the people of the Ukraine want anyway?

    I doubt there could be a free and fair poll of the people of the ukraine anyway... how do you ensure you get a good range of views in that nazi state?


    And this is why I think Russia is wasting time trying to play nice with Kiev. There is a general belief that eventually Ukraine will go back to Russia but judging by this, the youth doesn't want that and well, they are the future. So I think its a pointless endeavor.

    More to the point they would be an economic and cultural burden to Russia anyway even if they did join Russia in whole or in part.


    Zelensky said that after Donbass and Lughansk situation is dealt with, he will concentrate on all his power to try and take Crimea. So there will never be peace between the two till Ukraine finally admits that Crimea wasn't theirs legally to begin with.

    The only way to drive from the Crimea to the Ukraine without visas and border crossing shit is if the Ukraine joins the Russian federation and I doubt that will happen any time soon.

    The Ukraine has lost US and largely EU support and it renders them paper tigers... actually paper pussies... Russia doesn't really need to care very much about the Ukraine at all... it is not their problem and the Ukraine has made it not their problem.

    If regions of the Ukraine want independence or just autonomy I am sure Russia can work with them to help them develop, but pure trade... not charity... which should be enough... if it isn't then they need to get back together with the Ukraine.

    Russia would be happy to trade normally with the Ukraine but after burning their bridges there isn't much left really... Russia makes its own helicopter engines and will be making other engines soon enough and reviving An-140s and related projects just doesn't work any more for Russia... their might be some things they have worth looking at but I doubt it is very much and certainly will never be anything like what it was before 2014 or indeed before 2004 and their first colour revolution.

    It is pretty much all up to the Ukraine... they can completely screw themselves over and disappear into third world oblivion, or they can remember that Russia is not the enemy here... they like someone else to blame... they can start blaming the west... and become a sort of anti-poland... a pro Russia opposite of Poland in Europe... wouldn't that be amusing... the problem is that I don't think Russia would benefit much.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:54 pm

    Europe sentenced Ukraine to collapse https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2745473.html
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    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:44 pm

    Ukrainian troops reinforcing positions near disengagement area in Zolotoye - LPR

    https://tass.com/world/1082894


    Ukrainian troops pulling snipers, armored vehicles to disengagement area - DPR

    https://tass.com/world/1082892
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:01 pm

    Ukraine’s New PM Attends a Neo-Nazi Concert, MSM Mum
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:45 pm

    Zelensky and the NATO Secretary General Made a Humiliating Gaffe
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:06 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Zelensky and the NATO Secretary General Made a Humiliating Gaffe

    Actually hilarious. Washington installed Ukrainian president is subordinate even to Washington installed NATO bureaucrat.
    Even worse than being challenged by some random neo-nazi batallion leader and having to have a school-yard confrontation followed by a heart-to-heart talk with him.

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