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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:34 pm

    Speechless!


    Saakashvili breaks through into territory of Ukraine

    Supporters of Mikheil Saakashvili, the Rukh Novykh Syl party leader and the former Odesa regional administration head, have broken through the Ukrainian law enforcers' cordon at the Shehyni checkpoint on the Ukrainian-Polish state border and have led the politician into the territory of Ukraine.

    Ukrainian parliamentarian Yuriy Derevianko (Batkivshchyna faction) provided this information on air on NewsOne television.

    A crowd moved toward the nonoperational checkpoint at some moment of time, he said. The people broke through a cordon placed by Ukrainian border guards and police, and then they closely surrounded Saakashvili and Ukrainian politicians and public figures accompanying him and have 'carried' them into the territory of Ukraine, he said.

    Law enforcers stepped aside following the cordon's breakthrough and did not interfere into developments, the parliamentarian said.

    Ukrainian State Border Service head's assistant Oleh Slobodian confirmed the report about the cordon's breakthrough and the crowd's infiltration into the checkpoint. "The crowd has broken through the Shehyni checkpoint. A brawl started [...] Now it is difficult even to forecast consequences of this situation," he wrote on Facebook on Sunday evening.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:42 pm

    https://twitter.com/imerkouri/status/906944325841539072
    This link has the video. Pretty funny.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Neutrality on Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:45 pm

    He's arrived in Lvov and made a speech to which people started screaming "Slava Ukraine". Timoshenko is traveling with him, no idea what her play here is but that's a big political figure already.

    Let's rewind back to 2013. Everything started in the Western regions. Saakashvili realizes that if he wants to have a chance, he needs the support of these regions. There's a huge rift going on right now and the unloyalty of the border guards is already a sign (they haven't stopped him as they were ordered).
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:41 pm

    Neutrality wrote:He's arrived in Lvov and made a speech to which people started screaming "Slava Ukraine". Timoshenko is traveling with him, no idea what her play here is but that's a big political figure already.

    Let's rewind back to 2013. Everything started in the Western regions. Saakashvili realizes that if he wants to have a chance, he needs the support of these regions. There's a huge rift going on right now and the unloyalty of the border guards is already a sign (they haven't stopped him as they were ordered).
    The border guards did try to stop him but they appear to have been overwhelmed by his supporters.

    This followed the news last week that there was no legal reason why he couldn't enter the country although there is now a Georgia extradition warrant out on him.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Neutrality on Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:58 pm

    There were alot of them but the police force wasn't tiny by any means. Then he was allowed to travel uninterrupted all the way to Lvov and the mayor of Lvov thinks he's about to travel to Kiev next.

    I am watching to NewsOne right now (Ukrainian news channel) and I haven't heard/seen such an amount of anti-Poroshenko content in a long time. IMHO, that's definitely a noticeable change.

    Bonus:

    https://www.facebook.com/dimitrievigor/videos/1532914720100071/

    Laughed my ass off. Sums up Ukraine pretty much.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:36 pm

    Just wanted to put this somewhere. I hadn't noticed that Ukraine seems to be beating Gazprom in the Stockholm Court. This relates to a May decision that passed me by.

    National joint-stock company Naftogaz Ukrainy and Russia's Gazprom would receive final decisions on the gas price formula in the Arbitration Institute of the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce, Naftogaz Head Andriy Kobolev has said.

    "Under the request of the tribunal we held talks with Gazprom on the gas purchase and sale contract. We recently finished them and we are going to the tribunal to receive the final decision on the new formula and some other aspects of future cooperation with this company," he said on Channel 5 TV last week. "I would say it carefully: we have not reached the progress the tribunal counted on," he said.

    As reported, Naftogaz Ukrainy and Gazprom on May 31, 2017 received the separate award of the tribunal in the gas supply case. The tribunal gave Naftogaz a right to demand a reduction in the gas price under a contract with the Russian monopolist based on market conditions, and also canceled the requirements of Gazprom to NJSC Naftogaz Ukrainy based on the principle "take or pay" and completely canceled the ban on Ukraine's re-export of gas.

    The Arbitration Institute of the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce will issue its final verdict in the dispute between Naftogaz and Gazprom over their gas supply contract of 2009 no later than November 30, 2017.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/447458.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:23 pm

    Note the subtle difference between 'peacekeepers' and 'OSCE protection force'.

    In a telephone conversation with German Chancellor Merkel, Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed on the possibility of deploying UN peacekeepers, and not only on the contact line in the Donbass. This is reported by TASS.

    "Taking into account the views expressed by Angela Merkel, the Russian leader noted readiness to supplement the functions of the UN mission proposed in the Russian draft resolution to the Security Council. It is understood that providing protection for OSCE observers by the UN can be carried out not only on the contact line after the restraining of the forces and assets of both sides, but also in other places where the OSCE special monitoring mission conducts its inspection trips in accordance with the Minsk complex of measures," reported the Kremlin press service.

    They also noted that Vladimir Putin spoke in detail about the Russian initiative to establish a UN mission to promote the protection of the OSCE special monitoring mission. In particular, the implementation of the Minsk agreements on the settlement of the conflict between the Donbas and Ukraine was also touched upon. "The unacceptability of any violations of the ceasefire regime that undermine the so-called "school truce" agreed in the Contact Group and supported by the leaders of the states of the "Normandy Format"was emphasized, the release says.

    Today, Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for the Russian president, responding to a question about the possibility of holding a meeting in the "Normandy Format" in connection with Vladimir Putin's proposal to introduce a peacekeeping mission to Donbass said that there are no decisions to hold negotiations in the "Normandy Format".

    Recall, September 9, Ukraine submitted to the UN Security Council its own draft resolution on peacekeepers.

    It should be noted that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Russia's proposal for peacekeepers on the contact line in Donbass does not mean the involvement of UN forces, but only protection for OSCE observers. In addition, Sergei Lavrov, at a meeting with the French Foreign Minister, said that work is currently under way on a new resolution of the UN Security Council on peacekeepers in the Donbass and it is too early to say what form it will take.

    Recall also that the other day Poroshenko called his conditions for the deployment of UN peacekeepers in the Donbass. A few days earlier, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine set out requirements necessary for the introduction of a peacekeeping mission to the Donbass: the withdrawal of the so-called "occupation forces" and the absence of Russian personnel in the mission.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/putin-and-merkel-agree-about.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:32 pm

    How to win friends Ukrainian style. Ban teaching from next September in any other language than Ukrainian in most schools and all schools from 2020.

    This has immediately pissed off the Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, probably others, let alone the Russian speakers. To such an extent that the Hungarian Government has instructed its diplomats to actively obstruct any Ukrainian diplomatic move they can.

    More details at http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraine-education-reform-goodbye.html

    Whilst this is a long article on the possible strategic effects

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraines-new-education-law-threatens-to.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:46 am

    Extremely apprehensive of U.N Peacekeepers. It's just a false flag waiting to happen among many other ways it can go totally wrong. Even if the Kremlin comes up with a resolution that muzzles their activities and areas of operation; they will still get abused by Western powers for their agenda. It's not a win anyway you spin it. Russia will certainly not beat the West on the PR front if that is what it seeks - unless it seeks a way out - aka capitulation. The West could care less about abuses from the UKrop Mafia... if it wasn't so obvious already that they actually encourage it behind the scenes.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:50 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Extremely apprehensive of U.N Peacekeepers. It's just a false flag waiting to happen among many other ways it can go totally wrong. Even if the Kremlin comes up with a resolution that muzzles their activities and areas of operation; they will still get abused by Western powers for their agenda. It's not a win anyway you spin it. Russia will certainly not beat the West on the PR front if that what it seeks - unless it seeks a way out - aka capitulation. The West could care less about abuses from the UKrop Mafia... if it wasn't so obvious already.

    This I agree with.  Only thing Russia is doing is attempting the hope that the UN forces that are involved will be those of the Minsk agreement, which prevents Ukraine from acting out.  But as soon as the US gets involved, it is game over on the good use of the UN forces.  It will just be one attempt vs another of the US to de-legitimize the Novorussian forces.  I think the Russian's didn't think this one through very carefully.  But only thing I imagine is that they already have their part of the plan laid out and that if the US tries to add its own forms to it that makes it obvious of their intentions, Russia will end up vetoing it.

    Let us not fool ourselves here. Ukraine could go all in SS style in creating a genocide in Ukraine, and the west will promote it. It is essentially happening already (not as extreme, but doing so little by little), and they are getting praises from the US in doing so. So why bother? In the end, Russia should have done in Novorussia as it did in Crimea - sent its forces in and have 24/7 aircraft support and air defense support to give Novorussians the right to declare independence. But I think the Russians were expecting Ukraine to collapse not long after, but they never expected the Ukrainians to be this stupid (the general population) and willingly able to live in sever poverty, just to keep this sad form of a project alive.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:55 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Extremely apprehensive of U.N Peacekeepers. It's just a false flag waiting to happen among many other ways it can go totally wrong. Even if the Kremlin comes up with a resolution that muzzles their activities and areas of operation; they will still get abused by Western powers for their agenda. It's not a win anyway you spin it. Russia will certainly not beat the West on the PR front if that what it seeks - unless it seeks a way out - aka capitulation. The West could care less about abuses from the UKrop Mafia... if it wasn't so obvious already.

    This I agree with.  Only thing Russia is doing is attempting the hope that the UN forces that are involved will be those of the Minsk agreement, which prevents Ukraine from acting out.  But as soon as the US gets involved, it is game over on the good use of the UN forces.  It will just be one attempt vs another of the US to de-legitimize the Novorussian forces.  I think the Russian's didn't think this one through very carefully.  But only thing I imagine is that they already have their part of the plan laid out and that if the US tries to add its own forms to it that makes it obvious of their intentions, Russia will end up vetoing it.

    Let us not fool ourselves here.  Ukraine could go all in SS style in creating a genocide in Ukraine, and the west will promote it.  It is essentially happening already (not as extreme, but doing so little by little), and they are getting praises from the US in doing so.  So why bother?  In the end, Russia should have done in Novorussia as it did in Crimea - sent its forces in and have 24/7 aircraft support and air defense support to give Novorussians the right to declare independence.  But I think the Russians were expecting Ukraine to collapse not long after, but they never expected the Ukrainians to be this stupid (the general population) and willingly able to live in sever poverty, just to keep this sad form of a project alive.

    Georgia is perfect example of "peacekeeping" gone wary. In the end, it was Russia who was the invader, bully, aggressor and oppressor. Again, the propaganda of the West rules their lands....that's is a fact.

    We'll see. At the end of the day we lack the intelligence info to understand the true motives behind Russian moves. They could naively think this could work out in their favor if tweaked a specific way somehow or this could be a ploy to capitulate to lay the ground for sanctions relief. Who knows...all is possible.

    I agree for the most part except Ukranians being stupid. Actually they're very smart at self preservation. There is no leadership in that country worth dying for - and Russia is not coming to save them either. Why die in vain by taking up arms? Because that's what it will take to cleanse Kiev - a lot of blood. Russia was very clear about the extent of its support for separatism and armed rebellion the moment it "signed" the Minsk agreement, and it's not willing to make the sacrifices a full regime change putsch requires - either due to fear of the consequences - perhaps those it can not predict or inability in its capacity to carry it through successfully on all fronts - the militarily aspect just being one of many. There is the political aspect, the economic etc etc.

    Yanu deciding to flee like a rat, and the Kremlin taking him in was a grave mistake as well - and a great example that many Ukranians saw and took notes from. With leaders like that...boy. The Ukraine project worked spectacularly for the U.S execution wise - Russia trampling itself made it much easier.....just too good. "But but...Crimea? Novorussia?" Pretty sure the Americans factored a Russian response to their project....and it proved weak. One should not fail to speculate that Americans might have even used Georgia as test run for Russia's preferred response to situations like these - that is; splitting small chucks of territory as the acceptable course of action vs. full scale takeover American style with a new puppet gov.

    At the end of the day Ukraine is a dump thousand of miles away from the U.S. It's not the U.S that's getting sanctioned for "Ukraine" by a bunch of countries. It's not America that's got a failed state right next door (a brotherly state at that). It's not America the one that's got a bordering state aligning itself with its #1 geopolitical enemy and becoming defacto enemy of Russia. It's not America who's got to worry about getting encircled militarily...............etc etc etc etc.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:16 pm


    OSCE SMM Ukraine‏ @OSCE_SMM

    12/09: SMM saw 3 convoys of amphibious-crossing equipment & vehicles travelling north on road H-21 near “LPR”-cntrl Heorhiivka #FactsMatter


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  auslander on Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:46 pm

    They look like lifeboats from the Ark. What junque yard did the orcs dig them out of?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:57 pm

    auslander wrote:They look like lifeboats from the Ark. What junque yard did the orcs dig them out of?
    Ex WP stock, just as they were parked up in 1980 Smile
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:43 pm

    You really couldn't make this stuff up. Look at the figures in the last para, there is an awful lot of 'commission' in that.


    President of Ukraine Poroshenko declared the latest "achievement" - Ukraine has proved to the whole world that it can do without Russian gas. The Ukrainian president posted this on the presidential website.

    "The energy independence of our state is settled. In 2016, we were just learning to live without Russian gas, and today we have proved to the whole world that we are able to live (without Russian gas. "- Ed.). And gas ceased to be a political factor and began to be an ordinary commodity, "Poroshenko said.

    He also commented on the arrival of the first American shipload of coal.

    "And no one else has the chance to blackmail us after the first American ship (with coal arrived in Ukraine - yesterday) yesterday, as per the implementation of my agreements with the President of the United States Donald Trump about the energy security of our state," he summed up.

    Recall that the Prime Minister of Ukraine Groisman spoke of the plans to buy coal in the US in March. Later, Plachkov, the ex-Minister of Energy of Ukraine and chairman of the power company Kyivenergo said that Ukraine badly needs coal of anthracite grades for the country's power plants, which can be covered by imports in amounts up to 5-7 million tons.

    As a result of his stay in the US, Poroshenko not only agreed on the supply of coal, but also that American companies will take part in the privatization of the Ukrainian energy sector.

    In July, the US determined the price per tonne of coal for Ukraine. It will be $ 206. [In 2014, Ukraine got Donbass coal for $85 - Tr]

    Kiev, despite the extremely high prices, bought more coal for January, February and March than for the whole last year. In contrast it is noteworthy that, the US reduced the price for Norway. In Oslo, coal comes in at a price of $ 125 per ton. In 2016, it cost 140 dollars for Norwegians. In the same 2016, Washington sold coal to Ukraine for only $ 71. In the same month, Ukraine agreed on a ruinous contract for American coal.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/poroshenkos-newest-achievement-206ton.html


    Also interesting, Ukraine by renovating their gas pipeline system seem to think that Russia will still be pumping post 2019.


    Siemens stoped equipment shipments for Ukraine's gas transportation system due to pressure of Russia. Being pressed by Russia, Siemens has reportedly refused to continue shipments of equipment for the modernization of the Ukrainian gas transportation system (GTS), CEO of NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine Andriy Kobolev has said.

    "The first batch of compressors was supplied. These were compressors from Siemens, but then Siemens called and said that if they brought more, they would lose the Russian market," Kobolev announced at the 14th annual YES conference in Kyiv on Friday, September 15.

    He said Ukraine had to negotiate new supplies with General Electric.

    Kobolev did not give details at Interfax-Ukraine's request to specify when exactly it had happened, advising to address this issue to the company's press service. "Such a situation did take place," he reiterated without specifying other details. He also said that for the modernization of Ukraine's GTS, it is necessary to evaluate prospects for transit supplies of Russian gas after Ukraine's contract with Gazprom expires in 2019. Thus, he once again stressed the need to oppose the Russian Nord Stream 2 project as a politically motivated one.

    He cited the example of the South Stream project, proposed by Russia, which, in connection with its approval by Turkey, means the loss of the southern branch of the Ukrainian GTS.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/448997.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  franco on Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:53 pm

    Some 88 civilians killed, 354 injured in Donbas last year - OSCE

    Some 68 civilians killed, 315 injured in Donbas since beginning of this year - OSCE
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:03 pm

    franco wrote:Some 88 civilians killed, 354 injured in Donbas last year - OSCE

    Some 68 civilians killed, 315 injured in Donbas since beginning of this year - OSCE

    That is a lot killed and injured. Non-surprising is the lack of condemnation against Ukraine.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:19 am

    https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201709161057451059-ukraine-china-military-cooperation-problems/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Looks like China tried to purchase Motor-Sich and the Ukrainian authorities stopped it. I will admit on Ukraines side, it was an ideal thing to do especially given that it is a strategic company for them (Ukraine) and China has experience in the past of just copy+paste that will end up ditching the company in Ukraine. But, still, this will hurt further potential work between the two countries. Personally, I like to see more of these mishaps between the two.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:02 am

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201709171057462463-donetsk-ban-ukrainian-pork/

    It appears African Swine Fever is hitting EEU, Ukraine, particularly hard.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:10 pm

    The IMF pulling on the lead. Looks like tucked away in this is, no selling of land etc to our mates = no more money from us.


    Next review of IMF program possible only after Ukraine fulfills its obligations. The fourth revision of the program under the Extended Fund Facility (EFF) of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) is possible only after Ukrainian authorities fulfill their obligations, IMF Resident Representative in Ukraine Goesta Ljungman has told Interfax-Ukraine.

    "Consideration by the Executive Board of the fourth review will be possible once the policies needed for this review are implemented. The focus of this review is on pension reform and on measures to speed up privatization and ensure concrete results in anticorruption efforts. Of course, it is equally important that the program remains on track, and fiscal and energy sector policies remain consistent with program commitments. The timing of the review mission is still to be determined," he said.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/449405.html
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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:47 pm

    Unmanned aerial vehicle Orlan-10 in Donbass

    As reported on September 17, 2017 Ukrainian "press center ATU", near the city of Novogrodovka occupied by Ukrainian forces of the Donetsk region fell unmanned aerial vehicle Orlan-10 "of Russian production. The device with the serial number "11057", according to this message, fell as a result of a technical malfunction. It is alleged that "these UAVs are often used by Russians in the Donbas for reconnaissance and correction of artillery fire."



    The unmanned aircraft "Orlan-10" of Russian production (serial number "11057"), fallen near the town of Novogrodovka, part of the Donetsk region occupied by the Ukrainian forces, in September 2017 (c) the press center of the ATU

    It is interesting to describe "the press center of ATO" a description of how to use the data of UAV:

    For example, if there are three unmanned vehicles in the group, the first one is reconnaissance at an altitude of 1000-1500 m, the second is an UAV of electronic warfare, the third is a repeater, which carries out the transfer of intelligence information to the control center (the altitude is 4.5-5 km or more) .Although there are two reconnaissance vehicles and a repeater in the group, it is probable that in the group of two UAVs additional equipment for setting up active noise interference is installed on the reconnaissance unit. "

    The developer and manufacturer of the multipurpose unmanned vehicle "Orplan-10" is LLC "Special Technology Center" (St. Petersburg).















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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:48 pm

    JohninMK wrote:How to win friends Ukrainian style. Ban teaching from next September in any other language than Ukrainian in most schools and all schools from 2020.

    This has immediately pissed off the Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, probably others, let alone the Russian speakers. To such an extent that the Hungarian Government has instructed its diplomats to actively obstruct any Ukrainian diplomatic move they can.

    More details at http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraine-education-reform-goodbye.html

    Whilst this is a long article on the possible strategic effects

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraines-new-education-law-threatens-to.html


    You forgot the Rusins, but apparently you are deeply convinced that they are ethnic Ukrainians.

    And there are also some ethnic Poles left, but not that many, and it is not like the Polish government will support them anyways since it has Ukraine and the ethnic Ukrainians in Poland to support.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:52 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:How to win friends Ukrainian style. Ban teaching from next September in any other language than Ukrainian in most schools and all schools from 2020.

    This has immediately pissed off the Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, probably others, let alone the Russian speakers. To such an extent that the Hungarian Government has instructed its diplomats to actively obstruct any Ukrainian diplomatic move they can.

    More details at http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraine-education-reform-goodbye.html

    Whilst this is a long article on the possible strategic effects

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraines-new-education-law-threatens-to.html


    You forgot the Rusins, but apparently you are deeply convinced that they are ethnic Ukrainians.

    And there are also some ethnic Poles left, but not that many, and it is not like the Polish government will support them anyways since it has Ukraine and the ethnic Ukrainians in Poland to support.
    I didn't leave them out intentionally, just lack of knowledge.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:54 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:How to win friends Ukrainian style. Ban teaching from next September in any other language than Ukrainian in most schools and all schools from 2020.

    This has immediately pissed off the Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, probably others, let alone the Russian speakers. To such an extent that the Hungarian Government has instructed its diplomats to actively obstruct any Ukrainian diplomatic move they can.

    More details at http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraine-education-reform-goodbye.html

    Whilst this is a long article on the possible strategic effects

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraines-new-education-law-threatens-to.html


    You forgot the Rusins, but apparently you are deeply convinced that they are ethnic Ukrainians.

    And there are also some ethnic Poles left, but not that many, and it is not like the Polish government will support them anyways since it has Ukraine and the ethnic Ukrainians in Poland to support.
    I didn't leave them out intentionally, just lack of knowledge.


    And "Moldovans" are actually ethnic Romanians.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:23 am

    Mikhail Saakashvili, the former head of the Odessa Regional State Administration, announced his intention to speak on October 17 in Kiev together with activists, public organizations and politicians with three demands on Poroshenko.

    "We decided to join the initiative of civil activists and gather in Kiev on October 17 with three demands: the creation of anti-corruption courts, the abolition of parliamentary immunity, the adoption of a new election law. And the rest of the requirements we will collect throughout Ukraine until the 17th, "he said.

    On September 10, Saakashvili arrived illegally in Ukraine. He literally broke into the country, fought through the border with a crowd of supporters.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/saakashvili-to-announce-ultimatum-to.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

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