The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

Ukraine's election is a total farce of fraud. But of course the NATO media paints this toilet as light years ahead of Russia.
The usual proof by assertion, cherry picking and outright disregard for any information that does not suit the narrative.
It is a fact that the NATO west is not a model for the rest of the planet. It has what amounts to an Orwellian MSM that
monochromatically pushes the agenda of the NATO elites. NATO voters go for the ride and it does not matter what party
they vote into power. For example, take Trump an his win in 2016. It was clear that the dying US middle class voted
for the candidate the promised to MAGA and turn back the offshoring damage to the US real economy. But now Trump
is just another marionette busy with meddling in foreign countries' internal affairs and pushing more of the colonial war
that the USA has been pursuing for over a century.

Any accusation by NATO against Russia has to be taken as slander and has to be proven to be valid. There is just no
honest, comparative evaluation of Russia's condition. No source that treats the Banderite toilet as doing just fine can
be trusted to objective on Russia.

Yes, the fulfillment of the promises is different from the promise. You need a catchy idea to inspire and differentiate your country. Ideas can be addictive too.

Yeah, when you make promises to all of your people and then just follow policies funded by big business and the rich to ensure they stay rich and get richer then all those fancy promises to the people of the country actually become lies.

That being said, the average eastern European still thinks the EU and US models are fairer for him and will make him richer and culturally more advanced compared to what Russia has to offer.

Then he is an idiot... the EU model is control by unelected officials that dictate to everyone what they must do and what they must think, and the US model is two opposing parties with no third alternative in any part of the government structure with power, so when one party has a president but the other party controls congress and the senate it really isn't a democracy any more... it is the party the country elected to power being blocked from doing what he promised to do to get elected in the hopes he wont win reelection and they can get their leader in next time... what sort of fucked up system is that?

Again reality and perception are 2 different things. Some men accept living with unfaithful wives ...

Indeed... the biggest critics of democracy in Russia are the EU and the US... they have no shame at all... especially when they fund the opposition parties every election... parties that register less than 1% most of the time, but scream blue murder at the suggestion that Russian hackers might have been involved in a western election... whether it changed a single vote or not is not important... they interfered...

Why should any one care what those dicks think, or eastern europeans for that matter... if america is so damn wonderful... enjoy your future... PS the don't care about you in the slightest they couldn't care less to fighting in europe... they encourage it when they can because wars in europe are amusing as long as they don't need to get involved.

Actually most of them probably think another world war is just what america needs... they had a huge economic boost after the last two world wars...

An Ukrainian neonazi wants USSR v 2.0 - brilliant.

So even the ukrainian nazis want Russian resources and think it is how they will develop and grow... so no wonder they love the US and EU... who think the same way... but their colonial method is wrong.

Traditionally you steal a countries resources by finding an underdog minority that you help put in power... that underdog minority will have been abused and ill treated by the majority for centuries so they wont mind bloody oppression of the majority and cruel treatment, and handing over the countries resources to maintain their position is a small price to pay.

Their problem was that no post cold war Russian government has been hostile to the US or the west, they probably expected better treatment and more respect, but they have not been actually anti west at all... but current western treatment is forcing them to turn east away from the west with the general support of the population who has seen the west at its worst.

The west has treated Russian following its own interests as being anti western behaviour and is still punishing it for not doing as it is told... something I rather doubt Russia would ever do... why should they start now?

Of course Russia thought the cold war was about communism but communism was the excuse... the west would actually love Russia to become communist again because that would make them less of an economic and political rival... less competition.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:An Ukrainian neonazi wants USSR v 2.0 - brilliant.

Ukraine is fucked if Nazis make much more sense than their politicians. They used nazi muscle to get in power and now they are in trouble for betraying them

Porta-Pottyshenko has the lowest approval rating of any world leader:

JohninMK wrote:
The drone of the OSCE monitoring mission filmed 9 km. from the front line on March 16 EW Tirada-2 and Resident R-330ZH NM LNR.

There's no portion of the Minsk-2 agreement that disallows ECM. If anything it should help mitigate the Ukrappy MLRS.

Seriously, WTF is this picture supposed to prove. Evil Novorussians doing evil deeds? How about the war criminal shelling of residential
neighbourhoods by the Kiev regime forces since 2014? That is a non-story?

kvs wrote:Seriously, WTF is this picture supposed to prove.   Evil Novorussians doing evil deeds?   How about the war criminal shelling of residential
neighbourhoods by the Kiev regime forces since 2014?   That is a non-story?

Heavily ignored by OSCE and other international groups. Russian news media should be going full on CNN with videos non stop and crocodile tears on tv with their own Bana Alabad or whatever the fuck her name is. Do this continuously and Ukraine would be knee deep in shit. Yet Russia fucking sucks to high heaven in their media propaganda arm. They are not even being honest because they only have either bloggers or news front or War Gonzo (small groups) doing actual reporting on the DNR/LNR front. Where is RT? Where is Sputnik? Where is the big ones? RT has such a strong arm yet it barely reports on anything worth a damn these years - guess that big breasted hotty from Armenia that owns it isnt really all that great at reporting?

WTO sides with Russia in landmark national security ruling

https://www.france24.com/en/20190405-wto-sides-with-russia-landmark-national-security-ruling




Ukraine loses third dispute with Russia in WTO

https://112.international/ukraine-and-eu/ukraine-loses-third-dispute-with-russia-in-wto-38575.html

PapaDragon wrote:
WTO sides with Russia in landmark national security ruling

https://www.france24.com/en/20190405-wto-sides-with-russia-landmark-national-security-ruling




Ukraine loses third dispute with Russia in WTO

https://112.international/ukraine-and-eu/ukraine-loses-third-dispute-with-russia-in-wto-38575.html

The shit-storm has just begun for 404 this year, just wait until Dec. 1st 2019...expect to see flames and fireworks, they're going to need a lot of kindling to stay warm!

Why is Russia just now stopping oil supplies to Ukraine?https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2616320.html

I would say before reading that article that there is no point in cutting off something they make money in trade upon... it is not like Poroshenko would suddenly say OK that is too much lets be friends and stop this nonsense now.

With a new guy in charge of a sinking ship, this is another hole that needs to be filled... one of many... and it will be a good test for the future... is he going to start rolling back the sanctions and talk or is he going to try Poroshenkos method that has thus far totally failed and put the ukraine in the position it is today...

After reading the article it seems to suggest that the new guy would not have a chance to win previously and that only now does it make sense for him to put his hat in to the ring, and that by the same token Russia cutting off everything would have directed anger at them for being the bad guys, but now cutting off fuel and the other things they are stopping are basically just narrowing the options of the new guy... and one of the options it removes from the table is a full scale armoured invasion of the donbass because that would require a lot of fuel to achieve... it also weakens the Ukraine in so many areas that their loss of gas transit fees is really going to bite much harder.

Secret prisons and mass casualties: Ukrainian defector issued the military secrets of the SBU
https://progress-news.ru/articless/?p=44072&t=1558287890&h=$1$jpsiyzle$H2lVoAvofoQLXuyERDGd9/

Already happened: US military equipment captured from the Armed Forces of Ukraine will take part in the Victory Parade in Donetsk
https://nahnews.org/1010724-zakhvachennaya-u-vsu-voennaya-tekhnika-ssha-primet-uchastie-v-parade-pobedy-v-donecke?utm_source=24smi&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=1302&utm_content=2245180&utm_campaign=11022

The war is being won and lost. The last major attack or what passes by it in this trench warfare happened in spring 2018, since then the front quieted down because the Ukrops army was exhausted. They replaced some losses with another draft of recruits that arrived to the front in autumn, and they were doing preparations for a major offensive that winter but in the end Poroshenko chickened out.

Attrition is not in Ukraine's favour, I wrote about it in the spring of 2018

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2018/04/27/la-volksturm-ucraniana-muchachos-padres-de-familia-y-veteranos-del-2014/

Digging around I found a report from the end of the year that confirmed, from Ukrainian official data that they were losing men simply because they were leaving en masse once their term ended. they have lost three entire brigades simply because soldiers don't want to fight anymore and go home.

https://nahnews.org/1008521-oni-ne-veryat-v-osvobozhdenie-donbassa-pochemu-armiya-poroshenko-razbegaetsya-za-shest-mesyacev-vsu-nedoschitalis-10-000-chelovek


This has been confirmed by recent reports, some units now have fallen to 40% of their strength, and this week the Novorussians took prisoners three middle age soldiers, the eldest had 54! years.

The end is not yet in sight, but can't be far off. Last year I said the war would be over with one more battle, or if nothing else happens, will end by 2020. Sooner or later they will run out of one of these three things: money, men, or ammunition.

Heavy fighting, Ukraine hospitals full of wounded

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2019/06/10/noticias-de-la-guerra-10-06-2019-dura-lucha-hospitales-llenos/

Ispan wrote:Heavy fighting, Ukraine hospitals full of wounded

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2019/06/10/noticias-de-la-guerra-10-06-2019-dura-lucha-hospitales-llenos/

Thanks. This is what you said. The links are to Russian language pages that I can't auto translate. As you say. the map at the first link says it all. This has turned very nasty.


The struggle is very hard this week, and it's growing in intensity. Before yesterday “officially” 200 impacts were counted, yesterday double, 400 and the official part of the international observers is only a fraction of what really happens. In general the maps and reports is seen to combat and bombards in a score of places along the entire front.

Here is a summary of events and battles, just look at the chart

http://antimaydan.info/2019/06/svodka_otryada_sut_vremeni_za_6_9_iunya.html

And as a reflection of the struggle, as on previous occasions reports begin to appear that they are taking wounded to cities far away from the front. Casualties should be counted by tens a day.

http://antimaydan.info/2019/06/v_dnepropetrovsk_pribyl_bort_s_ranenymi_v_donbasse_karatelyami_vsu_dvoe.html

Ispan wrote:Heavy fighting, Ukraine hospitals full of wounded

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2019/06/10/noticias-de-la-guerra-10-06-2019-dura-lucha-hospitales-llenos/

Thanks for updates

As with the Kharkov tank factories and the vanishing aviation and ship-building industries, Ukrainians are voting with their feet and not
acting like good little cogs to prop up the Banderite regime. The days of the evil clown show in Kiev are numbered.

The Kiev regime has been riding the Donbass "ATO" pony hard as it is the only thing it has to "give" the masses. The economy is
swirling the toilet bowl and now the "ATO" is losing its luster. Aside from shelling civilians, the "ATO" is doing nothing for Banderastan.

NATO's big plans aren't working out.

kvs wrote:As with the Kharkov tank factories and the vanishing aviation and ship-building industries, Ukrainians are voting with their feet and not
acting like good little cogs to prop up the Banderite regime.     The days of the evil clown show in Kiev are numbered.  

The Kiev regime has been riding the Donbass "ATO" pony hard as it is the only thing it has to "give" the masses.   The economy is
swirling the toilet bowl and now the "ATO" is losing its luster.    Aside from shelling civilians, the "ATO" is doing nothing for Banderastan.

NATO's big plans aren't working out.

That's OK, NATO plans in Russia is working out though.

They got the loud minority to now protest on the 22/23 over a drug dealer who was arrested only because he is a "journalist" for a Riga based newspaper. And Yabloko party is trying to push through the Duma to have Crimea moved from Russia to "international". So pretty much shitting on the face of Russians, Russian state and the criminal code over separatism.

And will the Russian authorities act? Of course not! Who needs a criminal code if no one will enforce it.

NATO's big plans aren't working out.

But are they?

I doubt NATO cares about how many Ukrainians on either side die or suffer, this is just a conflict taking place on Russias border, considering that peace is not an option because it does not get them anything and makes them look bad because their proxy force is in an economic sink hole... a conflict could be used to explain their poor economic situation... Ukraine is kept poor because those evil Russians and their terrorist proxies keep the place in continual conflict where everyone suffers... assuming the people they are speaking to ignore who is firing the shells at whom and why of course...

The new president has made little real difference at all... no surprises there.

The Ukraines best chance of a better future was better relations and trade with Russia and negotiations with those in the districts rebelling to work out some sort of peaceful compromise, but none of that seems to be happening... so basically more of the same...