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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  medo on Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:54 pm

    Werewolf wrote:I've wondered what the little sensors are for on the right engine side on Mi-28N. Like on this picture i posted in iraqi deals thread.



    And i noticed exact same sensors in higher resolution on WZ-10.

    Can someone tell me if he knows what it is?


    I think this is sensor to measure angle of attack.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:09 pm

    It looks very stiff to me to believe it has anything to do with aerodynamic or anything in that regard.

    I find it little bit strange since it is angled back in 60-45° and the little metal plate with that little elevation looks little bid odd and quite useless for air sensorics. I think more of radio intereference sensor, but really not what i've  seen on other sensors for same purpose. Really bugging me what that is used for.

    The other thing is on Chinese WZ-10 the angled spike is facing towards that metal plate and on Mi-28 it faces away and the metal plate is infront of the spike towards flight direction.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:07 am

    Have read in the past, criticism of the Mi-28N for not having the DIRCM turrets shown on the Ka-52.

    Perhaps this photo explains the situation as these DIRCM pods look very much like the wingtip pods of the Mi-28N:



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    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:16 pm

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  medo on Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:38 pm



    Picture of new Mi-8AMTSh, but behind is a new Mi-28N with mast mounted radar.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:53 pm

    Is that a prototype of the MN or a serial Mi-28N?
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  medo on Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:06 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Is that a prototype of the MN or a serial Mi-28N?

    Difficult to say, as bort number is not seen clearly. But it have new colors, so could be one of new build helicopters. After all, new Iraqi Mi-28 also have radar.

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:Have read in the past, criticism of the Mi-28N for not having the DIRCM turrets shown on the Ka-52.

    Perhaps this photo explains the situation as these DIRCM pods look very much like the wingtip pods of the Mi-28N:


    Do you know if there was a picture of the datasheet somewhere taken by Vitaly?
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  mack8 on Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:49 pm

    Picture of new Mi-8AMTSh, but behind is a new Mi-28N with mast mounted radar.

    Could just be 37, judging also by the exhaust and fuselage smoke stains (so it has flown a good amount)
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:19 am

    mack8 wrote:
    Picture of new Mi-8AMTSh, but behind is a new Mi-28N with mast mounted radar.

    Could just be 37, judging also by the exhaust and fuselage smoke stains (so it has flown a good amount)

    we'll just have to wait for clearer pictures
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:47 am





    The above are the best shots of that system.

    There was also this:




    Which is the data sheet for this:



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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:07 pm

    Thank you very much.
    Like it seems and from the dimensions of the DIRCM there should be enough space in this pods for Flare dispensers left from the DIRCM.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:41 pm

    4 new ones thumbsup

    In the secondary cooling zone received four shock Mi-28N
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:57 am

    Apparently a pylon for R-73 AAM  Question

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:15 pm

    With two R-73s and 8 Iglas and of course a 30mm cannon it would be fairly well equipped in the airfield perimeter air defence role, but it seems odd to me to use it for such a purpose.

    I can understand the iglas for self defence when air threats are a problem, or the enemy is using large numbers of UAVs, but an R-73 would only be warranted against serious air opposition... and against serious air opposition I wouldn't send up Havocs... I'd send up MiG-29s and Su-27s to clear the skies first.

    Certainly the R-73 with its 8kg warhead should be able to deal with aircraft like the A-10 with one hit but these aircraft don't operate alone so having all your weapons pylons equipped with AAMs doesn't make sense. It wont be able to do its job with just its 30mm cannon for air to ground use.

    Or perhaps this is just for testing and they are testing its air to air capability with R-73s and Iglas against aerial targets.


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:05 am

    Apparently a pylon for R-73 AAM  Question

    Yes, i asked it on a different forum and apparently the launching rack APU-73 was mounted rear forward, not sure if this is just universale designed launching rack where it does not matter which way, which would make the only sense if it would not matter.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:16 am

    GarryB wrote:With two R-73s and 8 Iglas and of course a 30mm cannon it would be fairly well equipped in the airfield perimeter air defence role, but it seems odd to me to use it for such a purpose.

    I can understand the iglas for self defence when air threats are a problem, or the enemy is using large numbers of UAVs, but an R-73 would only be warranted against serious air opposition... and against serious air opposition I wouldn't send up Havocs... I'd send up MiG-29s and Su-27s to clear the skies first.

    Certainly the R-73 with its 8kg warhead should be able to deal with aircraft like the A-10 with one hit but these aircraft don't operate alone so having all your weapons pylons equipped with AAMs doesn't make sense. It wont be able to do its job with just its 30mm cannon for air to ground use.

    Or perhaps this is just for testing and they are testing its air to air capability with R-73s and Iglas against aerial targets.

    My guess is it won't take the R-73. It will take the successor of that missile and go against anything that flies in an all out future war: including UAVs, other helicopters, cruise missiles and even combat aircraft that come too close.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:20 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
    GarryB wrote:With two R-73s and 8 Iglas and of course a 30mm cannon it would be fairly well equipped in the airfield perimeter air defence role, but it seems odd to me to use it for such a purpose.

    I can understand the iglas for self defence when air threats are a problem, or the enemy is using large numbers of UAVs, but an R-73 would only be warranted against serious air opposition... and against serious air opposition I wouldn't send up Havocs... I'd send up MiG-29s and Su-27s to clear the skies first.

    Certainly the R-73 with its 8kg warhead should be able to deal with aircraft like the A-10 with one hit but these aircraft don't operate alone so having all your weapons pylons equipped with AAMs doesn't make sense. It wont be able to do its job with just its 30mm cannon for air to ground use.

    Or perhaps this is just for testing and they are testing its air to air capability with R-73s and Iglas against aerial targets.

    My guess is it won't take the R-73. It will take the successor of that missile and go against anything that flies in an all out future war: including UAVs, other helicopters, cruise missiles and even combat aircraft that come too close.

    You mean Morphei? If yes than a Multi Launching Rack would be necessary, that is kind of waste of lot of weight and space to just mount one single missile on a pylon that can hold over 730kg.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  franco on Tue May 26, 2015 8:49 pm

    Testing to begin of the Mi-28NM. Probably explains why no follow up orders yet. The second batch ordered will be all delivered in 2016.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  medo on Wed May 27, 2015 2:31 pm



    Picture of various air to ground modes from Mi-28N radar.
    1. Cartography of the terrain.
    2. Showing of dangerous electric cables.
    3. Showing of ground moving targets. Green are moving away, red are coming closer.
    4. Shoving of moving target (red, green) and stationary targets.
    5. Showing of meteorological conditions
    6. Microplan mode to show more details of the target or interesting area.

    We could assume, that radar in Ka-52 have the same capabilities.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Wed May 27, 2015 2:38 pm

    medo wrote:

    Picture of various air to ground modes from Mi-28N radar.
    1. Cartography of the terrain.
    2. Showing of dangerous electric cables.
    3. Showing of ground moving targets. Green are moving away, red are coming closer.
    4. Shoving of moving target (red, green) and stationary targets.
    5. Showing of meteorological conditions
    6. Microplan mode to show more details of the target or interesting area.

    We could assume, that radar in Ka-52 have the same capabilities.

    Very nice find, have only found the common and old pictures everyone has seen.

    +1

    Yes, Ka-52 has the same modes but it is a little bit better focused but restricted to 120° and maybe 270° but seeking for confirmation of that. Now have to wait when they complete CMW (L-band) and add Air-to-Air surveillance.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:21 pm

    I have a question, doesn't the Mi-28 helicopter series fall under the branch of ground forces, and not the VVS? If its true, shouldn't this thread be re-located in the ground forces  forum?
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:35 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I have a question, doesn't the Mi-28 helicopter series fall under the branch of ground forces, and not the VVS? If its true, shouldn't this thread be re-located in the ground forces forum?

    No. In russia the Attack Helicopters are part of VVS Airforce, this comes due the simplified and less cost intensive maintenance and supply chain aswell logistics overall for avionics, however this comes at the expense that the communition between Airforce and Army gets more complicated since actually Attack Helicopters duty is rightfully for support of Ground Forces...that is a trade-off, simplified logistics over communication effeciency.

    Edit: The problem of this being part of VVS has been shown several times in Chechnya war  were Ground Forces had to wait for air support due the more complicated commands chain and who has command over what, so army has to ask airforce for support, that is and can be a big tradeoff.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:47 pm

    Mi-28N turning arounds its own axis several times while flying 90km/h in forward direction.

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:05 am

    Mi-28NM "Night hunter" will be equipped with a laser for counter missiles

    I would presume they talk in original about knocking off the course not shutting down natives pls correct me Smile



    A new electronic warfare system for the modernized Mi-28NM "Night hunter", which includes a laser for counter missiles will be tested before the end of this year


    This was reported by TASS Advisor to the first Deputy head of the concern "radio-Electronic technology" (KRET) Vladimir Mikheev.

    "The helicopter will be installed, in addition to existing systems, laser station suppression", - said the Agency interlocutor. He explained that a powerful but compact solid-state laser to shoot down missiles off course.

    "The number of helicopters that are now in modernization, the station installed and tested - said Mikheyev. - I think the end of the year she will be tested, will receive the corresponding letter for mass production, and after that 100% of helicopters will be equipped with this station."

    Combat helicopter Mi-28N is designed to search and destroy day and night, in simple and adverse weather conditions, low-speed aerial targets, tanks, armored and unarmored vehicles and manpower.

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