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    CaptainPakistan

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  CaptainPakistan on Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:20 am

    Why are the Russians wasting money on the Mi-28 when they can have the Ka-52, arguably the best chopper in the world?

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    Not Wasting Money

    Post  calripson on Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:44 am

    Two production lines and the Mi28 is a better export product. They can probably make a nice profit on the exports of Mi28 over the next 10-15 years.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:40 am

    They are different enough to both be useful.

    The Hokum is more expensive but has advantages at high altitudes and in hot conditions. The Mi-28 is cheaper to operate and use but is also very capable.

    More importantly the upgrades to the Mi-28 can be applied directly to the Mi-24/35 family which also makes them rather useful and cheaper too as the Mi-24/35 is in very widespread use.

    Also in terms of naval use the Kamov design bureau has a long history of cooperation with the Russian Navy and when putting a helo on a deck it is much safer if there is no tail rotor swinging round.


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    Mi 28 Deliveries

    Post  calripson on Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:33 am

    How many Mi28 delivered in 2013 and to where ?
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:51 pm

    I was hoping to see it sooner but than again it will be substantially different machine and for that you need time. 

    Tests of a new Mi-28nm can begin within three years
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Viktor on Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:47 am

    Russain army received 10 Mi-28 and MI-35 - nice  cheers 


    WEST received another batch of "Night Hunter" and Mi-35

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    Mi 28 and Mi 35

    Post  calripson on Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:21 pm

    Any breakdown of how many Mi 28 and how many Mi 35 in 2013 ? Where are they stationed ? Do they use mixed units of Mi 28/Mi 35/ Ka 52 ? How do the Mi 8's play into it.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  TR1 on Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:39 pm

    Only one base has received all 3 new attack helo types- the 393rd Aviation Base.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:22 pm

    Viktor wrote:Russain army received 10 Mi-28 and MI-35 - nice  cheers 


    WEST received another batch of "Night Hunter" and Mi-35


    And here is a video of the event:

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312261018-h80s.htm
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:34 am







    Mi-35



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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:55 am

    i think mi-28 order of 99 helos is reaching its completion
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:44 pm

    George1 wrote:i think mi-28 order of 99 helos is reaching its completion

    Order was for 97 (30+67), though I have read that supposedly a third order was already signed. And they intend for 40-60 training birds, and of course the Mi-28NM when it is available. Though that maybe the third contact...I would be surprised if the total Night Hunter order is THAT big...it would mean in addition with Mi-35s (~50 birds) and Ka-52s (140+), the actual operational Mi-24 number is not only being replaced, but exceeded in the future.

    I guess Russia sees choppers as the main anti-tank weapon of the air.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:36 pm

    Russian Ministry of Defense has officially put Mi-28N Night Hunter helicopter into service
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday December 31, 2013 16:26 MSK

    The Mi-28N Night Hunter attack helicopter manufactured by Russian Helicopters Holding Company (subsidiary of Oboronprom Corporation, which is a part of Russian Technologies State Corporation) has been officially put into service by Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD). The corresponding order was signed by the Minister of Defense Sergei Shoygu on November 22nd 2013, press-service of Russian Helicopters reports.

    “Prior to its official entry into service, the Mi-28N Night Hunter helicopter has been operated by the Russian air forces for several years. The MoD tested it under various conditions and created a dedicated training and support base. This work was being carried out in cooperation with specialists of the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, which developed the Mi-28N Night Hunter, and the Rosvertol aviation plant (the enterprise has been manufacturing serial Mi-28N helicopters since 2005). To date Russian Helicopters has delivered a few score of Mi-28N Night Hunter helicopters to the MoD”, - said in the statement.

    “The official entry into service of Mi-28N testifies to the fact that the Night Hunter meets the requirements for a combat helicopter, it has passed all the necessary tests, and it is ready for operation as a part of the Russian air forces’ fleet”, - said Alexander Mikheev, CEO of Russian Helicopters. “The holding’s enterprises are not only successfully fulfilling the state defense order, but they are also working on upgrading the combat helicopters, which serve to strengthen our country’s defense potential”.

    “The Mi-28N Night Hunter meets all the existing international combat helicopter requirements, and it is attractive for potential customers. The export model has the designation of Mi-28NE Night Hunter”, - the press-service explained.

    Mi-28N Night Hunter helicopters demonstrate superior aircraft performance, allowing them to perform aerobatic maneuvers. The legendary Berkuti helicopter aerobatic team put Mi-28N Night Hunter into service in 2012.

    “Russian Helicopters is constantly working on improving the aircraft performance of Mi-28N Night Hunter helicopter. A special Mi-28N with dual controls was developed for pilot training. The vehicle performed its maiden flight on August 9th 2013”, - the press-service noted.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  medo on Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:43 am

    Russian start production of Vikhr ATGMs for RuAF for their Ka-52 helicopters, which they will use together with Hermes. Interesting is, that RuAF operational Ka-52 squadrons don't use Ataka missiles and they still fly without ATGMs. It seems Ataka is option only for export Ka-52.

    I would like to ask, if Mi-28N will also use Vikhr missiles, which will come in RuAF arsenal? They will give longer range to Mi-28, that they could operate from safer distance.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:57 am

    I would like to ask, if Mi-28N will also use Vikhr missiles, which will come in RuAF arsenal? They will give longer range to Mi-28, that they could operate from safer distance.

    AFAIK the Mi-28N will use the ATAKA and possibly the Kristantema... both likely with flight ranges of 8km in their air launched versions.

    Krisantema uses combined SARH in MMW radar frequencies or laser beam riding... the latter the same as Vikhr.

    I would suspect that the companies just want to keep their standard weapons so Vikhr for Kamov and ATAKA/Krisantema for Mil... and HERMES for both.

    The virtue of ATAKA/Kris is low cost, while still being accurate and relatively fast missiles and not big and heavy.

    Having very long range missiles is useful, but it would be like AAMs in many ways... R-77 will never likely be used at 110km range targets.

    Spotting military ground targets at long range is not as easy as it seems on video games.

    Especially when you add the contours of the land and of course trees and buildings and smoke and rain and the use of camouflage and cover and concealment etc.


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  medo on Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:44 am

    Agree. Ka-52 is better suited for using long range ATGMs with its FH-01 radar and ESM complex to detect and engage targets on long distance. Mi-28 is still dependent only on its EO complex to detect and engage targets and in this case Ataka is enough.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:21 pm

    The introduction of AESA on the Ka-27M and Ka-52K suggests that there is potential for AESA mast mounted systems for the Mi-28M.

    The potential with SARH missiles like Krisantema would be very interesting as several missiles could be launched at once at multiple targets with another missile fired in laserbeam riding mode too.

    In many ways it is a bit like the Cobra using TOW and Hellfire except that ATAKA and Kris are not wire draggers so they are much faster and much more potent missiles with much longer range and don't require the launch helo to remain hovering during the engagement.

    Hermes offers a step up from Hellfire in terms of range (18-20km to perhaps 25km in later models) and options of terminal guidance including fire and forget models and of course a 30kg warhead is going to have more effect arriving at high speed than a 9kg warhead.


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:34 pm

    Well the AH-1Z won't be for long relying on outdated TOWs, Northrop Grumman plans and already works on the CRS (Cobra Radar System) for the AH-1Z which would allow it the FCR, but through the size of it i rather doubt it is even near of 8km range detection of armor.

    http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=112386&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=372249&highlight=


    Cobra Radar System


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    Mi-28 with a radome pics from Helirussia 2014

    Post  Asf on Sun May 25, 2014 12:19 pm

    Captured with my shitty phone camera Smile

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/fck7th19l6ifqk5/IMG_20140523_163634.jpg
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/34eh4g0nruehnjc/IMG_20140523_163645.jpg
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/p17niv7oe8bi5x0/IMG_20140523_163731.jpg


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sun May 25, 2014 12:20 pm

    Can't see your pictures.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun May 25, 2014 12:59 pm

    looks like a huge gum ball...
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  TR1 on Sun May 25, 2014 11:10 pm

    They work for me.

    Nice pics.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Mon May 26, 2014 12:12 pm

    Now they work for me too.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:11 pm

    Lots of new stuff coming soon  thumbsup 

    Upgraded Russian helicopter Mi-28N will get a new control system
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:43 am

    I've wondered what the little sensors are for on the right engine side on Mi-28N. Like on this picture i posted in iraqi deals thread.



    And i noticed exact same sensors in higher resolution on WZ-10.

    Can someone tell me if he knows what it is?


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