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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:26 am

    you both are helo-porn addicts

    Mop for Collegeboy16... not me... Smile

    So the laser defence system will be DIRCMS, but that last article on the multi channel laser system for helos and UAVs and MANPADS sounds very interesting... only point of multi channel is to allow several targets to be lased at one time, so for a helo like Ka-52 that would mean being able to hit several different targets at one time with Vikhr, or for Mi-28 to target several targets with Krisantema at one time... but more importantly I suspect it will allow the full use of Ugroza type laser beam homing kits for unguided rockets of all calibres to be used by a range of platforms including UAVs.

    There is a light 7 shot 80mm rocket pod for light aircraft that could be carried by a UAV, and 14 x 80mm rockets would be a potent little load with a range of warheads... made all the more effective with guidance adding pinpoint accuracy to make them vastly more effective and able to be fired from standoff ballistic ranges further improving the safety of the launching UAV.

    From very high up a rocket could be used to hit a point target quite some distance away almost silently, and indeed it should also allow the use of missiles like Kornet-EM and indeed laser guided small bombs for UAVs which will make up for lack of HE power with high accuracy.

    Dropping 5 x FAB-50 bombs in an area with enemy vehicles would not be a particularly effective way of dealing with enemy armour, but with a multi targeting laser aiming system and KAB-50 guided bombs aimed to hit the rear turret area of an Abrams would be devastating... the higher up they would be released the higher their kinetic energy... but the 50kg of HE should ensure the ammo in the rear turret bustle explodes too...

    The fact that these guidance systems can be fitted to older aircraft just adds to their value and would allow the rapid widespread introduction of new more effective weapons.

    Note a laser guided package for 80mm rockets might triple the cost of the rocket, but you will need 20 times less rockets for point targets so it makes it much cheaper to use rockets. More importantly the guidance means you can fire from greater standoff distances which makes the aircraft safer...

    We have seen 20 shot 80mm rocket pods mounted on the back of light trucks in Syria... with laser homing kits you could mount one near a MANPADS site and use it as backup for shorter range shots at targets that appear rapidly... the 4-5kgs of HE an 80mm rocket carries should be far more effective than the 2-3kgs of modern MANPADS warheads...


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:12 pm

    Test of the newest attack helicopter Mi-28NM nearing completion


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Austin on Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:30 pm

    Looking at the video , Mi-28N looks rock solid attack chopper

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:42 pm

    Austin wrote:Looking at the video , Mi-28N looks rock solid attack chopper

    Nice find, did not see that one before, thanks.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:32 pm

    Some interesting things regarding integration of Vitebesk.

    http://vpk.name/news/134717_kret_obnovlennyie_nochnyie_ohotniki_poluchat_lazer_dlya_borbyi_s_raketami.html?new#new
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:26 pm

    Some pictures have been leaked of the Mi-28N that crashed recently.

    You can see that the design of shock absorbing of the fuselage and landing gear have performed well and the fuselage has been warped to reduce the impact on the pilots.


    bigger picture
    http://uploads.ru/xFKJD.jpg


    In comperision with some pictures of older Mi-24 that have crashed and the wreckage burned, it had only some basic parts of the steel construction and titanium armor, rest was comprimized out of its structural form to aluminium "ashes" while on Mi-28N only the outer skin that was made of aluminium alloy melted away, leaving the titanium and structure intact.

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    http://uploads.ru/5AQtI.jpg
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  mack8 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:14 pm

    Check this out, not only a Mi-35 with full defensive suite (MAWS+DIRCM?) but also finally a Mi-28 with same! Is that the NM?
    http://missiles2go.ru/2015/08/23/maks-2015-dva-dnia-do-nachala/
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    Post  Berkut on Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:01 pm

    Not NM itself, but probably has NM's sensors. Both the Mi-35M and Mi-28N on display are geared towards export. Speaking of which, first Mi-28NM is completed.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  mack8 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:02 pm

    Berkut wrote:Not NM itself, but probably has NM's sensors. Both the Mi-35M and Mi-28N on display are geared towards export. Speaking of which, first Mi-28NM is completed.

    Would be very interesting to see what changes the NM has.
    Do you know if it is confirmed that the ball under the fuselage is a DIRCM, or is it just an EO sensor of some sort? Thanks.
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:09 pm

    mack8 wrote:
    Berkut wrote:Not NM itself, but probably has NM's sensors. Both the Mi-35M and Mi-28N on display are geared towards export. Speaking of which, first Mi-28NM is completed.

    Would be very interesting to see what changes the NM has.
    Do you know if it is confirmed that the ball under the fuselage is a DIRCM, or is it just an EO sensor of some sort? Thanks.

    The housing of this device looks unmoveable, and the "eye" looks similiar to the eye of the MAW sensor at the tip almost like a fish eye in appearance. So i would guess it is a MAWS that covers the lower hemisphere of the helicopter, while no other helicopter i've seen covers that angle.

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  zackyx on Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:55 pm

    The writing on the nose of the mi-28 is in french :

    NE PAS PEINDRE = DO NOT PAINT
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    UB version

    Really high chance that this is the version for Algeria.

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    Ataka from iraqui Mi-28



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    Post  Flyboy77 on Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:24 am

    zackyx wrote:
    Ataka from iraqui Mi-28




    Well that's a miss. Wink

    Time for missile two.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  medo on Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:28 pm

    Placing both LWR and MAWS sensors on those wingtip pods is an excellent idea. They could replace old pods with those new ones on all Mi-28N helicopters. It is an easy modernization without much work to do. Only to integrate MAWS sensors in ESM suite.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:19 pm

    medo wrote:Placing both LWR and MAWS sensors on those wingtip pods is an excellent idea. They could replace old pods with those new ones on all Mi-28N helicopters. It is an easy modernization without much work to do. Only to integrate MAWS sensors in ESM suite.

    They could aslo combine those pods right now with DIRCM pods we have seen years ago for Mi-28N and they can relocate the Flares further behind the engines like on Hinds. I think having DIRCM and MAWS closer together can make the DIRCM's more accurate when it is directed by MAWS from a very aligned position rather having to calculate and having probably higher error probability like on Ka-52.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Viktor on Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:03 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    The newest helmet-mounted system for Mi-28nm represented at the MAKS-2015
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:13 am

    "As part of the" speed "we have developed a new technology and a new design solution of the rotor, which gives a significant speed boost. We can apply the technological advance, resulting in the implementation of the program on Mi-28NM"

    Upgraded "Night Hunter" exceeds the prototype in speed
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:16 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:"As part of the" speed "we have developed a new technology and a new design solution of the rotor, which gives a significant speed boost. We can apply the technological advance, resulting in the implementation of the program on Mi-28NM"

    Upgraded "Night Hunter" exceeds the prototype in speed

    Will be probably a sleek looking aircraft with those changes.

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    Mi-28 and Mi-35 in Iraq

    Post  andreyRUS on Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:50 am

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:57 pm

    "Ramenskoye Avionics Design Bureau, incorporated by Radio-Electronic Technologies Concern, has supplied the customer with the first pilot examples of onboard avionics for the Mi-28NM helicopter enabling it to interact with unmanned aerial vehicles, Daniil Brenerman, the Bureau Director General, told the Russian news agency TASS. "The Ramenskoye Bureau is creating avionics for the Mi-28NM helicopter. The first pilot examples have been delivered to the customer in 2015," Brenerman said.

    According to him, the Mi-28NM avionics differs from the existing system in being lighter and smaller and having an "all-glass cockpit." In addition, it uses high-speed optic communication lines between the system subunits and has an expanded capability for using new weapon types. Also, the avionics of the upgraded Nochnoi Okhotnik -"Night Hunter"- interacts with the helicopter armaments and unmanned aerial vehicles. In addition, it has a helmet-mounted target designation and indication system.



    Creation of the Mi-28NM began in 2009. The upgraded version essentially differs from its prototype. The component package of the Mi-28NM onboard radar equipment will include an innovative helmet-mounted target designation and indication system. The helicopter is fitted with new N025 radar enabling all-round surveillance. The flying vehicle is fitted with a new EW suite comprising an anti-missile laser. The helicopter is designed for search and destruction, by day and night in simple and adverse weather conditions, of low-speed air targets, tanks, armored and unarmored hardware and enemy manpower."


    Source: http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-news-2015/november/2163-new-onboard-avionics-for-the-mi-28nm-attack-helicopters-now-enables-interactions-with-uavs.html

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  DerWolf on Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:46 pm

    Does the Mi-28 have the President-S system, I haven't noticed it? Ka-52 already have it, but i find strange a modern attack helicopter like mi-28 not to have that.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:57 pm

    DerWolf wrote:Does the Mi-28 have the President-S system, I haven't noticed it? Ka-52 already have it, but i find strange a modern attack helicopter like mi-28 not to have that.

    If you order it with President you will get it, its not considered as standard package. Ofc you can choose only parts and subsystems of whole President to be installed and not whole thing, depends on what you want and how deep your pockets are.

    It was spotted till now on Mi17 variants, Mi26, Mi28, Ka52 and KA27, its basically stand alone system it does not need to be slaved to anything onboard since everything is being processed by its own control unit that has own "brain".
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:43 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:Does the Mi-28 have the President-S system, I haven't noticed it? Ka-52 already have it, but i find strange a modern attack helicopter like mi-28 not to have that.

    If you order it with President you will get it, its not considered as standard package. Ofc you can choose only parts and subsystems of whole President to be installed and not whole thing, depends on what you want and how deep your pockets are.

    It was spotted till now on Mi17 variants, Mi26, Mi28, Ka52 and KA27, its basically stand alone system it does not need to be slaved to anything onboard since everything is being processed by its own control unit that has own "brain".

    President-S is just an upgrade to any plattform but what you want to see is Vitebsk it is a TWICMS (Threat Warning, Identification and Counter Measure System) that uses sensor fusion to process information to give counter measures to different threats and give pilot information of direction of attack and i wouldn't be suprised if it has Shtora like capability when lazed by Laser Rangefinder or Designator and point weapons to the source or provide information of where it comes from so he can gun it down.

    Vitebsk is going to be in Mi-28NM. Mil was either lazy or kind of struggled/struggling with the problem they have with the Arbalet radar of CMW L-band radar for air-to-air coverage 360° azimuth. However appreantly a NM upgrade of Vitebsk was already shown.

    Here link to the link with many pictures of new wing tip pods with MAWS, LWR and dispensers while a single DIRCM ball is spotted beneath.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t517p285-mi-28n-news#116903

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    Post  DerWolf on Sun Dec 20, 2015 3:47 pm

    Does anyone known when will we see MI-28NM?
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    Post  franco on Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:15 pm

    DerWolf wrote:Does anyone known when will we see MI-28NM?

    Trials in 2016

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/816019
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:48 pm

    Russia Developing Advanced Laser Guidance System for Mi-28 Gunships (VIDEO)

    Russia is developing a multifunction image processing system and an upgraded laser guidance system for guided weapons for its newest Mi-28NM attack helicopter.

    RYAZAN (Sputnik) – Russia is creating a modernized weapons guidance system for its newest Mi-28NM (NATO reporting name "Havoc") attack helicopter, the head of Russia's Ryazan State Instrument-Making Enterprise said Thursday.

    "As part of the development work, a multifunction image processing system and an upgraded laser guidance system for guided weapons is being developed. Both products are different from previously available analogues, with a whole range of upgraded technical characteristics in accordance with the required technical specifications and the best possible solution for issues of import substitution," Pavel Budagov told RIA Novosti.

    The Mi-28NM is a modernized version of the Mi-28N Night Hunter attack helicopter that is being upgraded to a fifth-generation aircraft, which has been in development since 2008.

    Since the start of the development, Russia had received more than 10 export orders for helicopters of this type.



    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160310/1036055359/mi-28-guidance-systems.html#ixzz42V3Fxixk


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