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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Wed May 27, 2015 4:38 pm

    medo wrote:

    Picture of various air to ground modes from Mi-28N radar.
    1. Cartography of the terrain.
    2. Showing of dangerous electric cables.
    3. Showing of ground moving targets. Green are moving away, red are coming closer.
    4. Shoving of moving target (red, green) and stationary targets.
    5. Showing of meteorological conditions
    6. Microplan mode to show more details of the target or interesting area.

    We could assume, that radar in Ka-52 have the same capabilities.

    Very nice find, have only found the common and old pictures everyone has seen.

    +1

    Yes, Ka-52 has the same modes but it is a little bit better focused but restricted to 120° and maybe 270° but seeking for confirmation of that. Now have to wait when they complete CMW (L-band) and add Air-to-Air surveillance.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:21 pm

    I have a question, doesn't the Mi-28 helicopter series fall under the branch of ground forces, and not the VVS? If its true, shouldn't this thread be re-located in the ground forces  forum?
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:35 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I have a question, doesn't the Mi-28 helicopter series fall under the branch of ground forces, and not the VVS? If its true, shouldn't this thread be re-located in the ground forces forum?

    No. In russia the Attack Helicopters are part of VVS Airforce, this comes due the simplified and less cost intensive maintenance and supply chain aswell logistics overall for avionics, however this comes at the expense that the communition between Airforce and Army gets more complicated since actually Attack Helicopters duty is rightfully for support of Ground Forces...that is a trade-off, simplified logistics over communication effeciency.

    Edit: The problem of this being part of VVS has been shown several times in Chechnya war  were Ground Forces had to wait for air support due the more complicated commands chain and who has command over what, so army has to ask airforce for support, that is and can be a big tradeoff.
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:47 pm

    Mi-28N turning arounds its own axis several times while flying 90km/h in forward direction.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:05 am

    Mi-28NM "Night hunter" will be equipped with a laser for counter missiles

    I would presume they talk in original about knocking off the course not shutting down natives pls correct me Smile



    A new electronic warfare system for the modernized Mi-28NM "Night hunter", which includes a laser for counter missiles will be tested before the end of this year


    This was reported by TASS Advisor to the first Deputy head of the concern "radio-Electronic technology" (KRET) Vladimir Mikheev.

    "The helicopter will be installed, in addition to existing systems, laser station suppression", - said the Agency interlocutor. He explained that a powerful but compact solid-state laser to shoot down missiles off course.

    "The number of helicopters that are now in modernization, the station installed and tested - said Mikheyev. - I think the end of the year she will be tested, will receive the corresponding letter for mass production, and after that 100% of helicopters will be equipped with this station."

    Combat helicopter Mi-28N is designed to search and destroy day and night, in simple and adverse weather conditions, low-speed aerial targets, tanks, armored and unarmored vehicles and manpower.

    Подробнее: http://vpk-news.ru/news/25826


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:26 am

    you both are helo-porn addicts

    Mop for Collegeboy16... not me... Smile

    So the laser defence system will be DIRCMS, but that last article on the multi channel laser system for helos and UAVs and MANPADS sounds very interesting... only point of multi channel is to allow several targets to be lased at one time, so for a helo like Ka-52 that would mean being able to hit several different targets at one time with Vikhr, or for Mi-28 to target several targets with Krisantema at one time... but more importantly I suspect it will allow the full use of Ugroza type laser beam homing kits for unguided rockets of all calibres to be used by a range of platforms including UAVs.

    There is a light 7 shot 80mm rocket pod for light aircraft that could be carried by a UAV, and 14 x 80mm rockets would be a potent little load with a range of warheads... made all the more effective with guidance adding pinpoint accuracy to make them vastly more effective and able to be fired from standoff ballistic ranges further improving the safety of the launching UAV.

    From very high up a rocket could be used to hit a point target quite some distance away almost silently, and indeed it should also allow the use of missiles like Kornet-EM and indeed laser guided small bombs for UAVs which will make up for lack of HE power with high accuracy.

    Dropping 5 x FAB-50 bombs in an area with enemy vehicles would not be a particularly effective way of dealing with enemy armour, but with a multi targeting laser aiming system and KAB-50 guided bombs aimed to hit the rear turret area of an Abrams would be devastating... the higher up they would be released the higher their kinetic energy... but the 50kg of HE should ensure the ammo in the rear turret bustle explodes too...

    The fact that these guidance systems can be fitted to older aircraft just adds to their value and would allow the rapid widespread introduction of new more effective weapons.

    Note a laser guided package for 80mm rockets might triple the cost of the rocket, but you will need 20 times less rockets for point targets so it makes it much cheaper to use rockets. More importantly the guidance means you can fire from greater standoff distances which makes the aircraft safer...

    We have seen 20 shot 80mm rocket pods mounted on the back of light trucks in Syria... with laser homing kits you could mount one near a MANPADS site and use it as backup for shorter range shots at targets that appear rapidly... the 4-5kgs of HE an 80mm rocket carries should be far more effective than the 2-3kgs of modern MANPADS warheads...


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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:35 pm

    EDIT: question retracted.


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Austin on Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:30 pm

    Looking at the video , Mi-28N looks rock solid attack chopper

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:42 pm

    Austin wrote:Looking at the video , Mi-28N looks rock solid attack chopper

    Nice find, did not see that one before, thanks.
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:32 pm

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:26 pm

    Some pictures have been leaked of the Mi-28N that crashed recently.

    You can see that the design of shock absorbing of the fuselage and landing gear have performed well and the fuselage has been warped to reduce the impact on the pilots.


    bigger picture
    http://uploads.ru/xFKJD.jpg


    In comperision with some pictures of older Mi-24 that have crashed and the wreckage burned, it had only some basic parts of the steel construction and titanium armor, rest was comprimized out of its structural form to aluminium "ashes" while on Mi-28N only the outer skin that was made of aluminium alloy melted away, leaving the titanium and structure intact.

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    http://uploads.ru/5AQtI.jpg
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  mack8 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:14 pm

    Check this out, not only a Mi-35 with full defensive suite (MAWS+DIRCM?) but also finally a Mi-28 with same! Is that the NM?
    http://missiles2go.ru/2015/08/23/maks-2015-dva-dnia-do-nachala/
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    Post  Berkut on Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:01 pm

    Not NM itself, but probably has NM's sensors. Both the Mi-35M and Mi-28N on display are geared towards export. Speaking of which, first Mi-28NM is completed.
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    Post  mack8 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:02 pm

    Berkut wrote:Not NM itself, but probably has NM's sensors. Both the Mi-35M and Mi-28N on display are geared towards export. Speaking of which, first Mi-28NM is completed.

    Would be very interesting to see what changes the NM has.
    Do you know if it is confirmed that the ball under the fuselage is a DIRCM, or is it just an EO sensor of some sort? Thanks.
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:09 pm

    mack8 wrote:
    Berkut wrote:Not NM itself, but probably has NM's sensors. Both the Mi-35M and Mi-28N on display are geared towards export. Speaking of which, first Mi-28NM is completed.

    Would be very interesting to see what changes the NM has.
    Do you know if it is confirmed that the ball under the fuselage is a DIRCM, or is it just an EO sensor of some sort? Thanks.

    The housing of this device looks unmoveable, and the "eye" looks similiar to the eye of the MAW sensor at the tip almost like a fish eye in appearance. So i would guess it is a MAWS that covers the lower hemisphere of the helicopter, while no other helicopter i've seen covers that angle.

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    Post  zackyx on Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:55 pm

    The writing on the nose of the mi-28 is in french :

    NE PAS PEINDRE = DO NOT PAINT
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    UB version

    Really high chance that this is the version for Algeria.

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    Ataka from iraqui Mi-28



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    Post  Flyboy77 on Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:24 am

    zackyx wrote:
    Ataka from iraqui Mi-28




    Well that's a miss. Wink

    Time for missile two.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  medo on Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:28 pm

    Placing both LWR and MAWS sensors on those wingtip pods is an excellent idea. They could replace old pods with those new ones on all Mi-28N helicopters. It is an easy modernization without much work to do. Only to integrate MAWS sensors in ESM suite.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:19 pm

    medo wrote:Placing both LWR and MAWS sensors on those wingtip pods is an excellent idea. They could replace old pods with those new ones on all Mi-28N helicopters. It is an easy modernization without much work to do. Only to integrate MAWS sensors in ESM suite.

    They could aslo combine those pods right now with DIRCM pods we have seen years ago for Mi-28N and they can relocate the Flares further behind the engines like on Hinds. I think having DIRCM and MAWS closer together can make the DIRCM's more accurate when it is directed by MAWS from a very aligned position rather having to calculate and having probably higher error probability like on Ka-52.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:13 am

    "As part of the" speed "we have developed a new technology and a new design solution of the rotor, which gives a significant speed boost. We can apply the technological advance, resulting in the implementation of the program on Mi-28NM"

    Upgraded "Night Hunter" exceeds the prototype in speed
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:16 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:"As part of the" speed "we have developed a new technology and a new design solution of the rotor, which gives a significant speed boost. We can apply the technological advance, resulting in the implementation of the program on Mi-28NM"

    Upgraded "Night Hunter" exceeds the prototype in speed

    Will be probably a sleek looking aircraft with those changes.

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:57 pm

    "Ramenskoye Avionics Design Bureau, incorporated by Radio-Electronic Technologies Concern, has supplied the customer with the first pilot examples of onboard avionics for the Mi-28NM helicopter enabling it to interact with unmanned aerial vehicles, Daniil Brenerman, the Bureau Director General, told the Russian news agency TASS. "The Ramenskoye Bureau is creating avionics for the Mi-28NM helicopter. The first pilot examples have been delivered to the customer in 2015," Brenerman said.

    According to him, the Mi-28NM avionics differs from the existing system in being lighter and smaller and having an "all-glass cockpit." In addition, it uses high-speed optic communication lines between the system subunits and has an expanded capability for using new weapon types. Also, the avionics of the upgraded Nochnoi Okhotnik -"Night Hunter"- interacts with the helicopter armaments and unmanned aerial vehicles. In addition, it has a helmet-mounted target designation and indication system.



    Creation of the Mi-28NM began in 2009. The upgraded version essentially differs from its prototype. The component package of the Mi-28NM onboard radar equipment will include an innovative helmet-mounted target designation and indication system. The helicopter is fitted with new N025 radar enabling all-round surveillance. The flying vehicle is fitted with a new EW suite comprising an anti-missile laser. The helicopter is designed for search and destruction, by day and night in simple and adverse weather conditions, of low-speed air targets, tanks, armored and unarmored hardware and enemy manpower."


    Source: http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-news-2015/november/2163-new-onboard-avionics-for-the-mi-28nm-attack-helicopters-now-enables-interactions-with-uavs.html

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