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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:39 am

    PhSt wrote:Kill 1000 NATO personnel in Ukraine in the next 24 hours to make NATO command squirm in disbelief attack

    They should already be destroying NATO personnel. Not to satiate your bloodlust mind you, but because it's a war and those NATO officers, specialists, etc... are out to kill Russians and waste no opportunity that presents itself to do so. It's them or us.
    Why Russia allegedly pulls its punches and allows some of these NATO advisers to operate unmolested as some sort of dubious lever of pressure is beyond me, certainly at this stage in the war.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:21 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    PhSt wrote:Kill 1000 NATO personnel in Ukraine in the next 24 hours to make NATO command squirm in disbelief attack

    They should already be destroying NATO personnel. Not to satiate your bloodlust mind you, but because it's a war and those NATO officers, specialists, etc... are out to kill Russians and waste no opportunity that presents itself to do so. It's them or us.
    Why Russia allegedly pulls its punches and allows some of these NATO advisers to operate unmolested as some sort of dubious lever of pressure is beyond me, certainly at this stage in the war.

    My take, and its mostly because I live in the US (with a nuclear arms plant about 10 miles from my home, a major strategic bomber base about 50 miles away, and a couple military bases about an hour in each direction) and I absolutely do not want a nuclear exchange because as soon as one happens I will be among the first to die, is that NATO troops in any role from embassy guards to trainers, mercs, and advisers in Ukraine are fair game at the exact moment they have so much as a toenail on Ukrainian territory. Planes, trains, trucks, tanks, drones, and anything else from heads of state to diplomats to generals coming into Ukraine are legitimate targets as soon as they cross the international border. All it would take would be one and I assure you the peace talks would begin and they wouldn't be Zelensky's Munich 1938 2.0. They'd be actual and serious talks and we could probably have a lasting peace within hours. Other things that need to go boom? Those US drones over the black sea. No lives are lost and while there would be calls for war by those such as Lindsey Log Cabin Graham, nobody would want nuclear war over USAF drones being taken out. Those need to be taken out yesterday or hell even Feb 22, 2022. The Musk satellites and those commercial satellites are defacto over Russian air space and would be legitimate targets for space warfare. If Russia has maneuverable weapons like US propaganda shows like 40 Minutes (sure its supposed to be 60 minutes, but when 20 minutes of air time is commercial spots its 40 minutes0 says they do then those need to be used to take out those US and European satellites. Also, since Nordstream proves NATO doesn't care about the environment and because Nazilensky has spent lots of ammo trying to blow up Zaprozhiye NPP and Chernobyl the rest of the way, Russia needs to ignite the nuclear plants in western Ukraine.

    A major problem with EU and US policy makers and the public in general is that they have forgotten the fear of nuclear winter. It took Chernobyl, and television films like Threads and The Day After to get the peace movement heard by Reagan and Thatcher and to get them to transition from nuclear war being on the table to limitations, reduction, and disarmament. So create a radioactive cloud (ideally through sabotage so you have plausible deniability) from a Ukrainian NPP in SS Galicia and you will get NATO to rethink their hubris. That is what needs to happen. Its as escalatory as I am willing to get, and I think it may work. It will show the west that Putin is not playing, that he will not be intimidated, and that they need to reconsider their suicide by h bomb desires.

























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    Post  Krepost Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:41 am

    Another exhibition of captured NATO equipment. This time in Ekaterinburg.

    Note that the M1 Abrams tank and probably all the other vehicles are not the same ones displayed in Moscow.

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    Post  PhSt Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:56 am

    They should already be destroying NATO personnel. Not to satiate your bloodlust mind you

    But the Kill count doesn't look big enough, NATO deserves a humiliating defeat ASAP. Also, my call for killings including for non combatants is not out of bloodlust, but for my strong dislike for arrogant people. The Ukrop and NATO civilians have malice and hostility in their hearts and wish to see Russia's destruction, so their deaths would mean fewer Russophobes for Russia to deal with.


    Those US drones over the black sea. No lives are lost and while there would be calls for war by those such as Lindsey Log Cabin Graham, nobody would want nuclear war over USAF drones being taken out.

    As for NATO drones in the Black Sea, I already suggested that Russia send drones that will fly the same flight path, but NOT to intercept or shoot down NATO drones, but just happen to "Accidentally" collide with them. Its international airspace so Russia has the right to fly their drones to whatever flight direction they desire


    Also, since Nordstream proves NATO doesn't care about the environment and because Nazilensky has spent lots of ammo trying to blow up Zaprozhiye NPP and Chernobyl the rest of the way, Russia needs to ignite the nuclear plants in western Ukraine.

    This is a good proposition but since Russia will have to Liberate ALL of Ukraine, then contaminating a Russian territory with radioactive fallout is not a good option. However, as payback for Nordstream, Russia should blow up similar NATO underwater infrastructure and then make statements about how its HIGHLY LIKELY that it was carried out by ISIS underwater special forces

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:09 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:My take, and its mostly because I live in the US (with a nuclear arms plant about 10 miles from my home, a major strategic bomber base about 50 miles away, and a couple military bases about an hour in each direction) and I absolutely do not want a nuclear exchange because as soon as one happens I will be among the first to die, is that NATO troops in any role from embassy guards to trainers, mercs, and advisers in Ukraine are fair game at the exact moment they have so much as a toenail on Ukrainian territory.  Planes, trains, trucks, tanks, drones, and anything else from heads of state to diplomats to generals coming into Ukraine are legitimate targets as soon as they cross the international border.  All it would take would be one and I assure you the peace talks would begin and they wouldn't be Zelensky's Munich 1938 2.0.  They'd be actual and serious talks and we could probably have a lasting peace within hours.  Other things that need to go boom? Those US drones over the black sea.  No lives are lost and while there would be calls for war by those such as Lindsey Log Cabin Graham, nobody would want nuclear war over USAF drones being taken out.  Those need to be taken out yesterday or hell even Feb 22, 2022.  The Musk satellites and those commercial satellites are defacto over Russian air space and would be legitimate targets for space warfare.  If Russia has maneuverable weapons like US propaganda shows like 40 Minutes (sure its supposed to be 60 minutes, but when 20 minutes of air time is commercial spots its 40 minutes0 says they do then those need to be used to take out those US and European satellites.  Also, since Nordstream proves NATO doesn't care about the environment and because Nazilensky has spent lots of ammo trying to blow up Zaprozhiye NPP and Chernobyl the rest of the way, Russia needs to ignite the nuclear plants in western Ukraine.  

    A major problem with EU and US policy makers and the public in general is that they have forgotten the fear of nuclear winter.  It took Chernobyl, and television films like Threads and The Day After to get the peace movement heard by Reagan and Thatcher and to get them to transition from nuclear war being on the table to limitations, reduction, and disarmament.  So create a radioactive cloud (ideally through sabotage so you have plausible deniability) from a Ukrainian NPP in SS Galicia and you will get NATO to rethink their hubris.  That is what needs to happen.  Its as escalatory as I am willing to get, and I think it may work.  It will show the west that Putin is not playing, that he will not be intimidated, and that they need to reconsider their suicide by h bomb desires.

    The problem with your logic is that you assume that the other side is just as keen to avoid escalation as Russia is and that neither side is desperate.
    Alexander Mercouris made the point on a recent program that the Cuban Missile Crisis is something that both sides stumbled into. Neither wanted it, neither sought to provoke some grand confrontation.
    None of this holds for what's going on now though. The West's "out" is the capitulation of Russia, it can't be anything else, they've staked everything on a Ukrainian victory and stand to lose everything if it doesn't happen.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:48 am

    PhSt wrote:
    They should already be destroying NATO personnel. Not to satiate your bloodlust mind you

    But the Kill count doesn't look big enough, NATO deserves a humiliating defeat ASAP. Also, my call for killings including for non combatants is not out of bloodlust, but for my strong dislike for arrogant people. The Ukrop and NATO civilians have malice and hostility in their hearts and wish to see Russia's destruction, so their deaths would mean fewer Russophobes for Russia to deal with.


    Those US drones over the black sea. No lives are lost and while there would be calls for war by those such as Lindsey Log Cabin Graham, nobody would want nuclear war over USAF drones being taken out.

    As for NATO drones in the Black Sea, I already suggested that Russia send drones that will fly the same flight path, but NOT to intercept or shoot down NATO drones, but just happen to "Accidentally" collide with them. Its international airspace so Russia has the right to fly their drones to whatever flight direction they desire


    Also, since Nordstream proves NATO doesn't care about the environment and because Nazilensky has spent lots of ammo trying to blow up Zaprozhiye NPP and Chernobyl the rest of the way, Russia needs to ignite the nuclear plants in western Ukraine.

    This is a good proposition but since Russia will have to Liberate ALL of Ukraine, then contaminating a Russian territory with radioactive fallout is not a good option. However, as payback for Nordstream, Russia should blow up similar NATO underwater infrastructure and then make statements about how its HIGHLY LIKELY that it was carried out by ISIS underwater special forces

    Liberate it all? Could, but they don't want to be liberated in SS Galicialand. So contaminate the region, and let them sort it out and the Eurotrash Union pay for their medical bills.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:54 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    The problem with your logic is that you assume that the other side is just as keen to avoid escalation as Russia is and that neither side is desperate.
    Alexander Mercouris made the point on a recent program that the Cuban Missile Crisis is something that both sides stumbled into. Neither wanted it, neither sought to provoke some grand confrontation.
    None of this holds for what's going on now though. The West's "out" is the capitulation of Russia, it can't be anything else, they've staked everything on a Ukrainian victory and stand to lose everything if it doesn't happen.

    Trust me, I know this.  I also know there are way too many Americans and Europeans who would rather have nuclear fueled extinction than a world where Putin is still alive.  My thing in this since 2014 is that I have not seen how we get out of this without nuclear war.  The longer this goes on and the more the west chooses to escalate the more likely that we all die.  I imagine Garry and those in Australia and New Zealand will be okay at least for a while, but heaven help all of us who live north of the equator.  So yeah, we do have "leadership" that would rather have nuclear war than abandon their pipedream of Ukraine as their forward operating base and Russia in a worse than 1990s societal, demographic, geopolitical, and economic collapse.  I find that more terrifying than anything else.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:06 am

    you got crazy morons everywhere. There are Russians who want to see the world burn too.

    Americans are just lazy and stupid for a large part and are actually unaware what life is outside of their little bubble so you shouldn't mind their ignorance.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:24 am

    JohninMK wrote:GEROMAN -- time will tell - @GeromanAT

     For the first time, Ukrainian Forces deployed their 101st General Staff Protection Brigade to the frontline, this time, near Volchansk. This signifies a significant lack of reserve forces along the Kharkov frontline. (60% of the Ukrainian General staff has been sent to the front lines to replace offices losses)

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    By the way, the 101st Protection Brigade of the General Staff is an elite unit which reports directly to the Commander-in-Chief. It is the only AFU unit which does not belong to any military branch. Being sent to Volchansk indicates that all combat-ready reserves are heavily attrited or already in use on the frontline. 

    De-militarisation continues...

    Time to go into Sumy?  Twisted Evil

    Edit: I posted too quickly. Looks like the push to create a new front has alreay started... Twisted Evil

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/100808
    The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, announced the occupation of the village of Ryzhevka in the Sumy region on the border with the Kursk region by Akhmat fighters.

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/100809
    The power has partially gone out in Sumy and the region, - local media

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:35 am

    VARGR198 wrote:

    If the guy in the back seat whips out AK-47 and starts shooting we will officially be back to the dawn of aerial combat (and in the same freakin area of the world) lol1

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:40 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:At this point might as well deploy from NATO bases.  Ukrainian bases may subject to bombardement and cluster munition strike.
    What NATO bases
    These are Ukrainian F-16s and Ukrainian Mirages that will be flying from Ukrainian bases in Poland and Romania to attack Russian targets.

    Believable cover story everyone.

    Not believable if they take off from outside Ukraine

    And only THEN will Russia have proper justification to light Poland and Romania up

    This here would be the moment to go at it and not when your only excuse is that foreign personnel might be shooting at you from Ukrainian territory

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:43 am

    PapaDragon wrote:If the guy in the back seat whips out AK-47 and starts shooting we will officially be back to the dawn of aerial combat (and in the same freakin area of the world)  lol1

    Nah, thats one of the new Ukrainian long range strike UAVs. The guy in the back reads the map and arms the bomb prior to impact Razz

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:48 am

    flamming_python wrote:Anna recounts some of the escape accounts from Ukrainians attempting to flee the country. Starts at 14:25
    Absolutely harrowing


    What's harrowing about it?

    Some fag couldn't pull of a convincing drag so they schlepped his ass where it belongs?

    Boo-fucking-hoo, should have been jumping less back in 2014


    Same with 33 dead dipshits, that's 33 fewer parasites to artificially inflate real estate prices here and ruin people's lives



    flamming_python wrote:
    At least until they bite the bullet and start drafting men younger than 25, and women, and shove even more of the General Staff into front-line officer positions, and some of the police/border guards/etc... into front-line infantry too, etc..

    Which is a matter of time of course

    Good, that's the favorable outcome and point when Ruskies start winning long term



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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:55 am

    Q - What do the deepest point on the ocean floor, the Mariana Trench, and the highest mountain peak, Mount Everest, have in common?
    A - Zelensky hasn't yet gone begging there.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:26 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:I also know there are way too many Americans and Europeans who would rather have nuclear fuelled extinction than a world where Putin is still alive.
    and

    In recent televised discussion on Russian TV , there was a speaker talking about a limited nuclear strike on the West . Humanity is so violent and vile that it may need to look into the gates of Hell , to keep out of it !

    @ Big Gazza

    The West at best may rescue western Ukraine for the Nazi Orcs . A thorn in their side too , bleeding Europe economically dry and dragging Europe further into right wing extremism , not that the Europeans need much help in this regard !

    Regarding saving Russian aircraft , I agree with all those who say steps need to be taken and these include : ( 1 ) Moving aircraft further back and using mid-air refuelling to extend range into combat zone . ( 2 ) Using dummy aircraft and / or dummy bunkers . ( 3 ) Dispersing aircraft to Forested areas , using Roads as runways . ( 4 ) Making some more hardened shelters . The aim should be to have enough planes to carry out nuclear strikes against NATO , using the rest in Fab- ulous ops in Ukraine !
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:06 am

    Another M1 bites the dust ...

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    That would make about half of the delivered already documented destroyed, which means that ... they hardly have any left operational.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:26 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Why Russia allegedly pulls its punches and allows some of these NATO advisers to operate unmolested as some sort of dubious lever of pressure is beyond me, certainly at this stage in the war.
    Putin.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:30 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Why Russia allegedly pulls its punches and allows some of these NATO advisers to operate unmolested as some sort of dubious lever of pressure is beyond me, certainly at this stage in the war.
    Putin.

    TBF here, Putin has made lots of dumb mistakes, he has played to nice, he has been to soft and more.

    That said it is hard to track advisors, its not like their location is publicized and missile aren't going to be effective at getting them even if you find them in time as normally they are in protected areas
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:What's harrowing about it?

    Some fag couldn't pull of a convincing drag so they schlepped his ass where it belongs?

    Boo-fucking-hoo, should have been jumping less back in 2014


    Same with 33 dead dipshits, that's 33 fewer parasites to artificially inflate real estate prices here and ruin people's lives

    Well yeah the hours long endurance crossing over the icy river that sweeps you up and drowns you on a roll of 3 or lower

    Or the death march over the mountains where 1 man was abandoned to his fate within minutes and another seperated and got lost

    Even the rapid turnover of officers manning the checkpoints at the borders, a bit like the Sonderkommando in the death camps were periodically gassed themselves and replaced with new teams just to minimize the risk of any of them surviving to tell the tale.

    It's pretty much a genocide of the NATO regime there on its own population at this point. These are the sorts of stories you hear about from escapees of WW2 prisoner of war and concentration camps.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:49 am

    The problem with your logic is that you assume that the other side is just as keen to avoid escalation as Russia is and that neither side is desperate. Alexander Mercouris made the point on a recent program that the Cuban Missile Crisis is something that both sides stumbled into. Neither wanted it, neither sought to provoke some grand confrontation. None of this holds for what's going on now though. The West's "out" is the capitulation of Russia, it can't be anything else, they've staked everything on a Ukrainian victory and stand to lose everything if it doesn't happen. wrote:

    The current situation looks much more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis. The West will not give up on Ukraine. Only now Russia has a much more modern and dangerous nuclear arsenal. In addition, an advantage in tactical nuclear weapons and hundreds of their carriers, such as cruise missiles. However, the US still has hundreds of ICBMs and SLBMs. Even if the part doesn't work, it can cause enormous damage.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:49 am

    The Musk satellites and those commercial satellites are defacto over Russian air space and would be legitimate targets for space warfare. 
    They are above 80km so they are in international space.
    Like a ship outside of your territorial waters.

    The guy in the back 
    The guy in the front seat is the autopilot called Oleksandr.

    Another M1 bites the dust ...
    Nobody cares anymore, because it´s already a common thing.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:24 am

    EU basing for Ukrainian F-16's

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/06/2024/66669b599a7947f20b3ebc1c


    There is no doubt that Ukrainian aircraft will disperse to these bases on start of bombing campaign, and wait there until field repair completed from which they will return. Ukrainian tho may also have option to use their inland airbases just as place to refuel on the way, while arming, briefing, uploading data to weapons etc are taking place in NATO bases.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:51 am

    The situation in the Chasov-Yarsky direction on the morning of June 10 

    The situation in the area of ​​Chasov Yar is becoming critical for the enemy. Even on the afternoon of June 9, the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to withdraw its formations from the western part of the city - the Kanal district. Also, units of the MTR battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine KRAKEN, which is planned to be transferred to the Kharkov direction, have been withdrawn in full force. 

    Among the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are rumors about the impending surrender of Chasov Yar, which means the fall of another largest defense center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donetsk operational direction after Avdievka. Establishing control over this area, which is located on dominant heights ( the highest point of Donbass ), opens up the opportunity for us to develop a further offensive in the Konstantinovsko-Druzhkovsky direction. 

    However, it is too early to talk about a complete collapse of the enemy’s defense. The main task of the resisting forces now is to cover the withdrawal of units located across the canal. The enemy’s defense at the moment is a layered structure, limited by the natural watershed of the Seversky Donets - Donbass canal. Logistically, this defense area is tied to Konstantinovka. 

    The mobility of the Ukrainian Armed Forces formations located in the area is facilitated by the fact that the enemy operates in battalion-tactical groups, reinforced with armored vehicles and attached artillery - mainly 82 and 120mm mortars. Barrel artillery operates with the support of counter-battery weapons located behind Chasov Yar itself. There are also 155-caliber firing positions. 

    We will provide a more detailed analysis of the situation by 19:00 today. We broadcast from the scene and have no losses. Victory will be ours, the enemy will be defeated

    @multi_xam

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:12 pm

    More red lines to be crossed by NATO. It is known that F-16s will be stationed outside Ukraine and attack targets on Russian territory. It is also known that Russia will not attack airbase on NATO territory. So why draw further red lines?

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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:46 pm

    Flying back and forth to NATzO territory bases shifts the zone of operation west. It also does not stop Russian S-400s from engaging these
    F-16s at long range. The attrition of these F-16s is going to be rather rapid.

    This is just another wonder weapon wank fest.

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