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    Post  Belisarius Sun May 19, 2024 7:01 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡ Over the past night, a number of attempts by the Kiev regime to carry out terrorist attacks using American ATACMS operational-tactical missiles and aircraft-type unmanned aerial vehicles on targets on the territory of the Russian Federation were stopped.

    By air defense duty systems, nine ATACMS operational-tactical missiles and one UAV were destroyed over the territory of the Republic of Crimea, three UAVs were destroyed over the territory of the Belgorod region, fifty-seven UAVs were destroyed and intercepted over the territory of the Krasnodar Territory.

    https://t.me/intelslava/60512

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    Post  Hole Sun May 19, 2024 10:51 pm

    three UAVs were destroyed over the territory of the Belgorod region, fifty-seven UAVs
    Just 61 UAVs? So much to ever growing numbers.

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 20, 2024 5:20 am

    They already implemented a six-month ban on the export of gasoline starting in March. But if you think disabling couple percent of processing capabilities doesn't affect economy you're wrong I'm afraid.

    The point is that they produce various different fuels at these processing facilities... some of which is exported and some sold domestically... as more get damaged the capacity to process the raw materials into the various useful fuels diminishes... but fires will get put out and damage can be repaired and production restored.

    The point is that if they can only make half the petrol they used to make it is exports that are going to be reduced first... the domestic market will be protected first... so it wont effect the Russian economy as much as it will effect the international market which loses product volume and has potential for exports to stop completely for a while on the whim of the Russian leadership.

    Energy markets don't like uncertainty... but for Russia the energy is rather more likely to have a stable protected supply.

    Well one warmonger bitch from US govt nmce said "500-000 starved babies is a good price for democracy in Iraq. Luckily she's dead. The bad news is the rest is still alive.

    Very much agree, Albright is ironic because she was a witch and not a very bright witch at that.

    The good news is that they are destroying themselves and their future with their stupid short sighted policies... it is just sad they are talking everyone in the US and EU with them... but that is on them... not Russia or Chinas job to save the west from its evil leaders.

    I'd say NATO's constant march towards Russia's borders (see 1941), missile launcher bases in Poland and Romania, and the Nazi sympathizer regimes in the Baltics were more than enough. The breaking point was the Nazi coup in Ukraine and the preparation to attack Russia. And yes, Russia will win why should not?

    Sadly in this world just because you are right does not mean you win.

    Fortunately in this world if you are dumb and pick fights with the wrong people you are going to get your arse kicked and that is why the West is going to lose... not because they are wrong and led by evil and their propaganda tells them the opposite, but because the people in charge are idiots who believe their own propaganda.

    But smart people in the west will not pop their heads up and point that out because they get accused of being Putins puppet and cancelled... they are going to have to wait till everything collapses and try to turn things around then... who knows if they can or cannot.

    You really needn't pretend, we do know you are a piece of shit...

    Everyone in the west is immersed in propaganda 24/7 and when everyone says the same thing you can start to think it is true if you don't question and check.

    The west has been doing this a long time and they never stopped... much of it is crude and easy to prove wrong, but equally you have to assume everyone does it so maybe Putin is a trillionaire and is lying about stuff too.

    Warning of a threat is not being a shit... it is worrying that the west might weasel its way out of the fate it has created for itself... many have said they don't trust Putin and he might do something stupid... because it is nice... like agree to the ceasefire during the Paris olympics or something stupid like that... but the way the west keeps escalating and doubling down and the number of Russians and pro Russian Ukrainians being killed or have been killed I think he is obliged to see this to the end.

    Fortunately Kiev is too stupid to agree to peace now with roughly the boundaries that have been established on the ground to prevent Russia getting to Odessa and the border with HATO and Moldova and who knows what else... they still think they can turn it all around and get to the Crimea.

    We are lucky Zelensky is so stupid but I don't think Putin is in any mood to be nice any more.

    They didn't really damage the economy... to be honest without all this BS if Putin had tried to separate Russia from the west Russias economy would not be this good and he certainly wouldn't have 80% approval ratings, so the west has handed him a real gift to rip Russia away from the west so it can fully focus on BRICS and trade partners that will treat Russia as an equal partner... something the US and EU never would.

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    Post  Broski Mon May 20, 2024 6:16 am

    GarryB wrote:They didn't really damage the economy... to be honest without all this BS if Putin had tried to separate Russia from the west Russias economy would not be this good and he certainly wouldn't have 80% approval ratings, so the west has handed him a real gift to rip Russia away from the west so it can fully focus on BRICS and trade partners that will treat Russia as an equal partner... something the US and EU never would.
    That's the biggest benefit to this stupid conflict, it has caused a complete collapse of the 5th column apparatchiks that exist in Russia and silenced the whiny 6th column "defeatists" that think if Putin was replaced by a clown like Navalny that Russia would be accepted by the West and become as "prosperous" as the EU or US.

    And all it took was about 20000 sanctions, 1000's of western companies leaving, everything Russian being "cancelled" in the West including authors, musicians, athletes, artwork, pets, trees and open discrimination against Russians living in Europe to make it happen.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 20, 2024 7:34 am

    Broski wrote:
    That's the biggest benefit to this stupid conflict, it has caused a complete collapse of the 5th column apparatchiks that exist in Russia and silenced the whiny 6th column "defeatists" that think if Putin was replaced by a clown like Navalny that Russia would be accepted by the West and become as "prosperous" as the EU or US.

    That is very true, however, the reverse of this coin is inflicting a serious harm to the EU/RU relations, and that is for good.
    Lavrov called it a "generation gap" already.
    From this perspective, it is - sadly - an Anglosaxon geopolitical and strategic victory that smashed the chances of great prosperity of EU.
    And the worst part of it, is a fact that it have been done with own, EU hands. Under supervision of corupted thugs and mental dwarws who are not in a position to carry sheets of blank paper behind the back of the previous generation of EU masterminds.
    I can't find pros being a citizen of it - but would find some being a Russian Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 20, 2024 9:24 am

    That's the biggest benefit to this stupid conflict, it has caused a complete collapse of the 5th column apparatchiks that exist in Russia and silenced the whiny 6th column "defeatists" that think if Putin was replaced by a clown like Navalny that Russia would be accepted by the West and become as "prosperous" as the EU or US.

    And that is why it is so safe to call them stupid because if they lose.... like they are doing now, they make Putin rather more powerful, but even if they won... there was zero chance of Navalny getting into office the next in line behind Putins party is probably the communists who would nationalise all the western controlled companies in Russia like Putin is doing now, but they certainly wouldn't want trade relations with the west either let alone let western rich and powerful come in and buy everything up at bargain basement prices which is really what they want... and have always wanted.

    Even just going back to selling energy to the EU cheap would solve a lot of their problems but that is not going to happen... they will keep using Russian energy but they will buy it at inflated market prices after it is sold through third parties to the EU which further increases the prices... and that is their doing because they will buy Russian energy from India and China but not from Russia so India and China earn money for nothing and Russia sells its energy anyway.

    The only losers are the EU consumers and workers because their energy intensive industries will have to move to the US or China or India...

    1000's of western companies leaving,

    Agree with that next comment too but would add that only about 10% of western companies left and a the few that were forced tended to sign agreements with local Russian buyers of their companies to have the option to buy it back cheaply in 10 years time. Of course after it has been sold a couple of times I don't think these agreements will be enforced in Russian courts... especially after all the terrorist BS the west is supporting, and of course the 300 billion in assets they are likely to steal.

    Honestly the Americans have passed laws to allow the theft of assets and the Europeans are on the brink and I hope they do.

    When the west makes such stupid moves it is fascinating to see what Putin comes up with in response because it gives him a free hand to fix things he otherwise couldn't fix without breaking the rules... and he is a stickler for the rules.

    Without western sanctions Russia would not have banned EU food imports... the WTO would not allow it because it is protectionism... but in response to illegal EU moves it is fine.

    Funny that Europe will try to bully China to protect European and US electric car makers and that is OK under WTO rules it seems but China could not do the same for its interests... this is why BRICS exists and why it will be better when the west does not.

    From this perspective, it is - sadly - an Anglosaxon geopolitical and strategic victory that smashed the chances of great prosperity of EU.

    When you join a gang whose motto is the US first and **** everyone else... then you need to expect that eventually...

    I can't find pros being a citizen of it - but would find some being a Russian

    For a long time the brain drain has benefited the west and US in particular... the lure of good money and a comfortable life in a place with good infrastructure...

    But too much sunshine makes a desert and things are not so good... when the lure of good money and good infrastructure and a comfortable life leads people to go to Russia then the west might get the message that they have to fucking grow up and be adults instead of spoilt children and not just borrow and spend.

    I would say a lot of mercenaries in Ukraine will be from central or south america and when they get captured perhaps say to them... you want money then earn it the honest way in rebuilding the country you came to destroy and we will send you home in 5 years time with the money you earned for the work you did.

    Otherwise you are mercenaries so we can just put you in prison and charge you for food and shelter and heat for as long as we want to keep you and then send you home when your family pays the bill.[/quote]

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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 20, 2024 11:05 am

    Taking down SCALP :

    https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/87923

    If you look closer at the beginning, it seems that a missile was already hit and fly with inertion - seems spinning in the air.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 20, 2024 11:15 am

    Two Majors Report for the Morning of 20 May 2024; published 06:59

    In the Kharkov direction, the enemy has pulled up serious reserves and is holding defenses near Liptsy and in Volchansk, and is taking counterattack actions. At Liptsy, our troops have advanced to a depth of 200 to 400 meters, and in the Volchansk section, from 150 to 600 meters. Bugrovatka was occupied the other day, and the RFAF are attacking in the direction of the Prilipka settlement.

    On Chasov Yar's eastern outskirts, there are fierce battles. The RFAF are moving forward, and south of the "Kanal Microdistrict," our troops are expanding the zone of control.

    In the South Donetsk direction, our troops are fighting in Paraskoviyevka (west of Novomikhaylovka) and in Krasnogorovka. Most of Netaylovo is occupied.

    West of Avdeyevka, the RFAF are advancing in Umanskoye, most of which has been cleared of the enemy, and near Yasnoborodovka.

    On the Vremyevka ledge, there are battles for Urozhaynoye and Staromayorskoye. The enemy is counterattacking, but there are no significant changes in the frontline.

    The Zaporozhye front is characterized by the actions of our infantry groups in Rabotino under enemy artillery and drone fire. Information from the media about the advance of the RFAF towards Gulyaypole has not been confirmed from the ground.

    In the Kherson direction, enemy strikes on our troops and civilians continue. In Radensk, a civilian died as a result of a AFU drone strike on a car.

    In the Belgorod region, civilians are killed and wounded by AFU strikes. Shebekino was shelled from the AFU MLRS, injuring 11 people, including 3 children. In Rzhevka, Shebekinsky urban district, 2 more civilians were wounded as a result of shelling. In Belgorod, a drone flew into the window of an apartment building, and debris fell on an 11-year-old girl playing in the courtyard.

    In the Kursk region, Gordeyevka in the Korenevsky district, the Sudzha Checkpoint, the village of Guyevo and the Oleshnya Farm in the Sudzhansky district, the village named after Kalinin in the Glushkovsky district, and the village of Goptarovka in the Belovsky district were shelled. In Gorodishche, Rylsky district, two Ukrainian drones damaged a car. Explosive devices from copters were dropped in Guyevo and Sverdlikovo, the village of Kurilovka in the Sudzhansky district, the village of Gordeyevka in the Korenevsky district, and the village of Tyotkino in the Glushkovsky district. Electronic warfare suppressed AFU copters near the village of Neonilovka, the villages of Yelizavetovka and Khodyakovka in the Glushkovsky district, the villages of Gornal and Guyevo, the village of Kurilovka in the Sudzhansky district, the Sudzha checkpoint, the villages of Gordeevka in the Korenevsky district, and Kozino in the Rylsky district.

    In the DPR, AFU strikes on the village of Aleksandrovka in the Petrovsky district of Donetsk killed a man born in 1972 and a woman born in 1975, and wounded a woman born in 1954. Thirteen shellings were recorded. The AFU fired 29 munitions using 155 mm caliber artillery, including cluster-type artillery, attack UAVs, and kamikaze UAVs. Donetsk, Gorlovka, and the Volnovakha district came under fire from the AFU.

    Zaporozhye direction - 152mm work on AFU supports.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 20, 2024 11:19 am

    In an instant it is turned into a Hell on Earth

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    Post  Hole Mon May 20, 2024 12:10 pm

    If you look closer at the beginning, it seems that a missile was already hit and fly with inertion - seems spinning in the air.
    There is a small black cloud of smoke to the right of the explosion that finished the missile.
    Propably the first hit.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon May 20, 2024 12:11 pm

    From a blog, an interesting consideration on the attack to the Crimean airbase

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-51924-ukrainian-streets-deserted


    First, let’s update on the Belbek base strike in Crimea. I wrote a long report last time about Russia’s failures there, but new information appears to suggest it may not have been quite as large of a failure as we thought. You see, it’s become more evident that the destroyed planes at the base were likely old part donors and already inoperable, thus not able to be scrambled out:

    Satellite images confirmed: Ukraine spent ATACMS on a barrel of kerosene. Ukrainian media published satellite images of the consequences of two missile attacks on the Belbek military airfield in Sevastopol. It is alleged that two aircraft and a structure near the runway (preliminarily, a tank with jet fuel) were hit . For comparison, the satellite fixation from May 1 and May 16 is given.

    However, if you compare the latest photos with the old ones from 2023, you can be convinced that both affected aircraft had been in the same place for a long time - therefore, these were long-out-of-service aircraft, taken out of service. In the photographs you can also see fake images of fighters applied to the strip to deceive the enemy.

    Apart form newly surfaced photos showing old scrapped planes, the biggest piece of evidence was the discovery of satellite photos from October 2023 which appeared to show the same two planes roughly in a similar position as where they were just ‘destroyed’.
    (...)

    He states that the Russian base actually does have hardened aircraft shelters right next to where the Mig-31s were stationed.

    And he points out another satellite photo showing that the entire base was abandoned of virtually all craft just weeks ago (just as I had reported), but oddly the two Mig-31s remained in the same position.

    He concludes:

    So, are the Russians really stupid? Or is something else going on? The clear possibility is that the Mig-31s were decoys designed to attract the ATACM attack. The Russians have plenty of nonfunctional Mig-31s to use as decoys. Hundreds were built in the 1980s, but they were retired in the 1990s because they were expensive to operate and had a limited service life.

    The Mig-31s presently in service are produced by refurbishing the old ones at the Sokol Aviation Plant in Nizhny Novgorod. The refurbishing process adds about 1000 hours of service life to the planes. Now, 1000 hours is 200 5-hour patrols, so it’s easy to see that lifetime-expired Mig-31s could be available for use as decoys in addition to old, non-updated ones.


    That being said, while it’s true that likely no truly valuable planes were destroyed, the attack did still penetrate the AD and blew up a large fuel warehouse right behind where the Mig-31s were. Also, the S-400 system was still hit.



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    Post  kvs Mon May 20, 2024 12:44 pm

    Do we have any actual confirmation of Mig-31K losses at Belbeck? Satellite photos are not sufficient evidence. Maybe satellite video but that is not
    a thing.

    As for Europe's economic future, the clowns appointed as managers of that US colony are not showing any signs of disobeying their boss. For example,
    Scholz and his bleating about how Russia cut off the gas supply to U-rope. This is a bald faced lie and he is repeating it in the spirit of Goebbels. If
    these EU "leaders" wanted to maintain the economy and look out for their citizens, then they would have forced Minsk down the throat of the Kiev
    regime. Instead they are actually now yapping about needing to fight a war against Russia to stop its alleged plans to invade and dominate the EU.

    I wonder if these whores in Uncle Swineshit's employ understand that any such war will not let them escape to a peaceful, rich life on a tropical island,
    but instead will most like result in vapourization or burial under thousands of tons of concrete and earth? They may even get offed before this.



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    Post  Sujoy Mon May 20, 2024 3:54 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Taking down SCALP :

    https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/87923

    If you look closer at the beginning, it seems that a missile was already hit and fly with inertion - seems spinning in the air.
    Apparently Panstir M. That would be very impressive indeed. An affordable missile intercepting an extremely expensive cruise missile.

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    Post  Mir Mon May 20, 2024 4:13 pm

    And he points out another satellite photo showing that the entire base was abandoned of virtually all craft just weeks ago (just as I had reported), but oddly the two Mig-31s remained in the same position.

    Could have been decoys.

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    Post  Hole Mon May 20, 2024 4:32 pm

    the attack did still penetrate the AD and blew up a large fuel warehouse right behind where the Mig-31s were. 
    Parts of the sub-munition + debris of one missile penetrated the AD.
    Not much you can do about this except hitting the missile at the very beginning of their flight.

    When the Russians attack an airfield with 10 to 12 missiles, at least 9 to 11 will hit their targets.
    All the time.

    That´s the difference between a great AD network and a lousy one.
    That´s the difference between slight damages to the base and total devestation.

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    Post  Mir Mon May 20, 2024 7:13 pm

    "Sudden Death Syndrome" amongst the French FL?

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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 20, 2024 7:22 pm

    Choked with baquette.

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    Post  Kiko Mon May 20, 2024 8:04 pm

    India to advocate for Global South at Swiss talks on Ukraine – Modi, 05.20.2024.

    The prime minister has suggested that New Delhi will participate in an upcoming ‘peace summit’ based on Vladimir Zelensky’s formula.

    India will “resonate the voice of the Global South” at a conference on the Ukraine conflict hosted by Switzerland next month, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has said during an interview with the PTI news agency.  

    Commenting on the planned Swiss gathering and a G7 meeting in Italy also scheduled for mid-June, Modi said India “will be participating in all important summits that promote the agenda of global peace, security and development.”  

    The prime minister did not, however, confirm whether he will represent India in person at the events. The level of participation would depend on “timing, logistics, and parallel commitments,” he underlined.  

    Modi is seeking a third term as prime minister in ongoing Indian elections. The results will be declared on June 4, days ahead of the proposed summits.

    In a phone call with Modi in March, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky sought his attendance at the “peace formula” summit in Switzerland. Subsequently, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba traveled to New Delhi to convince the Indian leadership to attend the event. The summit is expected to revolve around Zelensky’s proposed roadmap for ending the conflict with Russia, which hasn’t been invited.

    Moscow has already dismissed Zelensky’s ‘peace plan’ – which demands the complete withdrawal of Russian forces from all territories Ukraine considers its own, among other conditions – as “unrealistic.”

    Switzerland has also made efforts to seek support from India. Foreign Secretary Alexandre Fasel traveled to New Delhi last week to extend an invitation to Modi to participate at the summit, telling PTI that “India is a friend of the world. There is really an expectation from the international community that India can contribute to this process.”

    More than 160 countries have been invited to take part in the event, which is set to take place on June 15-16 at the Burgenstock Resort near Lucerne. Swiss President Viola Amherd, who claimed that the summit will draw delegations from more than 50 countries, has called for the participation of China and other nations from the Global South.  

    Kanwal Sibal, retired Indian foreign secretary and former ambassador to Russia, Türkiye, Egypt, and France argued in a column for RT last month that the summit could be a “ploy to diplomatically isolate Russia by demonstrating that Ukraine wants peace.” He suggested that India may not deem it appropriate for Modi to be present, and could instead decide on representation at a lower political level.

    India, which has positioned itself as the de facto leader of the Global South, has repeatedly called for an end to hostilities between Russia and Ukraine through diplomatic means. New Delhi has also refused to condemn Moscow despite constant scrutiny from the West. It has criticized sanctions imposed by the US, EU, and their allies against Russia, and continues to maintain robust economic and diplomatic ties with Moscow. Bilateral trade between the two sides reached $65 billion last year, largely driven by Indian purchases of discounted Russian oil.

    https://www.rt.com/india/597932-india-ukraine-peace-talks-switzerland/


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    That FFL photo, source?
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    Post  Mir Mon May 20, 2024 8:11 pm

    Saw it on Balancer.
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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon May 20, 2024 8:14 pm

    Mir wrote:"Sudden Death Syndrome" amongst the French FL?

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57 French10

    Damn, Sars Cov AK is a deadly strain

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    Post  kvs Mon May 20, 2024 8:47 pm

    No, no, it's climate change induced heart attacks. Everyone knows that's the current thing.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 20, 2024 9:03 pm

    Not ofte3n we get a daytime video.

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    Post  Firebird Mon May 20, 2024 9:56 pm

    The video reminds me a little of the Chelyabinsk meteor.
    The missile streaks thro and THEN we see an explosion.

    Of course it was denied the meteor was shot down.
    But... I wonder whether the denial was for political reasons.

    Anyway, its a shame these Banderite vermin have managed to injure more completely innocent, decent people.
    It's high time the puppetmasters of these Banderite filth overseas also pay an extremely high price. THAT would be a deterrent against future evil.
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    Post  kvs Tue May 21, 2024 1:11 am

    It is a whole different physics problem to take out a flying husk and a clump of high metal content rock. The average anti-air missile will not do much
    damage. I am referring to meteors in the size range of the Chelyabinsk one. What you saw with the meteor was its interaction with the exponentially
    increasing air density as altitude approaches ground level. They mostly burn up and break up closer to the ground if they are big enough to hit the ground.

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