Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

SeigHeil wrote:

kvs wrote:Why hit NATzO bases on NATzO territory when the F16s can be blown out of the sky when they cross the border?   People dismiss Russian
AD systems for some strange reason.   Putin has to worry about escalation and will try to avoid feeding NATzO hysteria.  

Hm you know that sounds like a good idea...until you realize Ukraine still has planes they have landed and taken off before.

Russia has not destroyed the Ukie Airforce, and it only controls the airspace around its front lines, they do not have total control of Uki airspace in all areas, so they cannot shoot down the F-16's once they cross the boarder.

The amount of burying your head in the sand is amusing

There is no "Ukie Airforce" - just a couple of samples in hiding that gets blown to pieces as soon as it gets airborne. At best its a one way suicide trip.

In the western shitstream there was a "news" that they might arrange some more Su-25, and how many trained pilots for them 404 has still left.

That would be even more funny if they would add that the talking is about Georgian pieces.
Georgia said GTFU a long time ago, and all the political background there proves that they won't bend over.

And if not the fact, that one of the latest obituaries of the ukro "sokol" was calling a gut who was around his 70s.

The Putin fail for not going into Ukria in 2014 angle is nonsense. The 1990s super depression hole that Putin was digging Russia out of was not a
one day process. Russia was not trivially distinct in its military and economic capacity in 2014 and 2022. The analogy is the USSR before
1941. A few years was crucial for mustering the resources need to fight off Hitler. That there were major losses initially does not contradict
this fact.

Another key detail is that the woke rot in NATzO bloomed after 2014. The world sees this rot. The NATzO ploy to "weaken" Russia via Ukria
is epic retardation. They chose the worst timing for this war and Russia has been taking advantage of this. Garry is right on target with
his point about winning the peace. NATzO assumed it could herd the world against Russia but it was dead wrong. Putin has to manage the war
not just to satisfy local objectives but also to not alienate the world. Winning against NATzO without having to bomb its territory is optimal.

That's the point.
In 2014, things were different to 2022.
Worldwide.

Units of Russian forces liberate villages of Artyomovka and Timkovka, Defence Ministry reports, 06.11.2024.

Russian servicemen from the Zapad grouping of troops (West) liberated the village of Artyomovka in the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR) and Timkovka in the Kharkov region, the Russian Defence Ministry said on Tuesday (11).

Yandex Translate from Portuguese.

https://noticiabrasil.net.br/20240611/unidades-das-forcas-russas-libertam-povoados-de-artyomovka-e-timkovka-relata-o-ministerio-da-defesa-35051923.html

A certain assistant to the chief of staff of the 10th US Army, Colonel Rosanna Clemente

What an unbiased source.
The area was out of range of Patriot systems.
Period.

The Kharkov advance seemed like one completely of opportunism. 

Sure. 

In 2014, things were different to 2022.

Without the Banderites moving into position to attack Donbass at the end 2021/beginning of 2022,
I doubt that there would be a SMO today.
The whole thing was put into motion, starting with the proposal for negotiations by VVP, because the
intel was clear about an attack by the Banderites in the imminent future.
I guess VVP would have preferred to wait until 2025.

Russian officials have confirmed that Ukraine was behind the terrorist attack in Crocus hall.

Will retribution come? If Russia was Israel then Zelensky would be dead within the next few days.

(That was a rhetorical question of course. Everyone here knows that Russia will do nothing to revenge those deaths of its citizens)

... what's more, it was Ukrs who tried do some stupid things twice before, but chickened on both occasions because of Russkie rapid response.
It has not trigger Russia for any bigger scale action then.
So I guess the threat that they will not get scared off the third time is clear to me.

And guess what?
They would have succeded.
Using the tactics we see now, they would have thrown the Donbas defenders with meat, and made a breakthrough.
Russia would have to play their game from now on.

kvs wrote:Winning against NATzO without having to bomb its territory is optimal.

Of course it's optimal

And NATO knows that and will try to take advantage of Russia's calculation here. Just a matter of time until they dare

Karl Haushofer wrote:Russian officials have confirmed that Ukraine was behind the terrorist attack in Crocus hall.

Will retribution come? If Russia was Israel then Zelensky would be dead within the next few days.

(That was a rhetorical question of course. Everyone here knows that Russia will do nothing to revenge those deaths of its citizens)

Russia is doing plenty already

As for Zelensky, Russia has only just started the international campaign for his de-legitimization. It needs to pick up some momentum first. Then his world can be rocked.

flamming_python wrote:
Of course it's optimal
And NATO knows that and will take advantage of Russia's calculation here. Just a matter of time

But NATO options are much more limited to Russkie.
As long as they won't directly intervene with feet on the ground - there is not much they can figure out.
They have no more Wunderwaffe to supply.
What would be the difference, if ukrs will be supplied with M1A2SEP3 instead of M1A1SA?
Those would stuck in the mod more often, even less ways for relocating would be available, etc.
Gripens instead F-16?
All 12?
F-35? How? They are afraid to use it in the Syrian direction.
Ground launched Tomahawks?
Gee!
Harpoons are there from the beginning, same with Neptunes - none impressed Russkie much.
More of ... something?
It must be produced.
And manned.

On the other hand ... Ruskie have not even started.

The involvement of the Ukrainian military intelligence in the Crocus attack is confirmed, 06.11.2024.

The Russian special services have evidence of the involvement of Ukrainian military intelligence in the terrorist attack at the Crocus City Hall concert hall in Krasnogorsk, just outside Moscow, announced the chairman of the Russian National Anti-Terrorist Committee, Alexander Bortnikov.

"The Ukrainian and Western intelligence services are expanding the range of possible perpetrators recruited to commit high-profile crimes in Russia, collaborating in their training and equipping international terrorist organizations. An illustrative example is the involvement of Ukrainian military intelligence in the terrorist attack at Crocus City Hall," he said.
In March, Bortnikov pointed out that the terrorist attack on the Crocus City Hall were needed by the Western and Ukrainian special services to destabilize the situation and spread panic in Russia.

On March 22, a commando of armed men fired on a crowd gathered for a rock concert at Crocus City Hall and set the venue on fire, causing, according to the latest official data, 145 dead and more than 550 injured.

Russian President Vladimir Putin acknowledged that the attack was the work of radical Islamists, but assumed that it could be a link in a chain of operations that have been carried out against Russia since 2014 "at the hands of the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev."

Yandex Translate from Spanish

https://latamnews.lat/20240611/confirman-la-implicacion-de-la-inteligencia-militar-de-ucrania-en-el-atentado-del-crocus-1155377003.html

flamming_python wrote:
Russia is doing plenty already

As for Zelensky, Russia has only just started the international campaign for his de-legitimization. It needs to pick up some momentum first. Then his world can be rocked.

I like Israel's approach more. A bullet or a missile will do the work.

Russian MoD reports 2155 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours

Will retribution come? If Russia was Israel then Zelensky would be dead within the next few days.

I know its difficult for someone like you, but perhaps at some point you will realize that Zelensky is Russia's greatest asset.


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