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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:31 pm

    Despite huge losses, the Ukrainian command continues to send marines, territorial defense fighters and mobilized soldiers to the left bank of the Dnieper.
    Great news. thumbsup

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:00 pm

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    🇪🇨 Ecuador wants to transfer Russian military equipment to the US to be sent to Ukraine

    The country's President Daniel Noboa said that he would transfer old Soviet and Russian military equipment to the United States for further delivery to Ukraine.

    Noboa is going to get $200 million worth of new weapons from this deal.
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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:58 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Crimea was in Russian hands for a long time,
    Since 1783


    How long was Galicia in Polish hands. Lol

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:09 pm

    Before 1783 there was not state called Ukraine which owned Crimea. So Ukria has only "had" Crimea since 1954 until 1990 when the
    referendum restored autonomy. Ukria annexed Crimea in 1991 after the collapse of the USSR. In 2014 it got its just desserts.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:11 pm

    JohninMK wrote:S p r i n t e r
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    🇪🇨 Ecuador wants to transfer Russian military equipment to the US to be sent to Ukraine

    The country's President Daniel Noboa said that he would transfer old Soviet and Russian military equipment to the United States for further delivery to Ukraine.

    Noboa is going to get $200 million worth of new weapons from this deal.


    Putting all your eggs in one Basket ? I don't ( well I do , simple bribery ) understand all these countries relying 100% on America for defence . They put themselves in a position , where terms can be dictated by America . The best option is to develop own industry . Flattery will get you nowhere , where bribery can . Here is a song in honour of all the Dollar bribed Cockroaches of the world ! Now you are going to have a song stuck in your head , like me , and turn psychotic . BTW can people refer to West and East coast of Deniper , instead of left and right . To me looking up , left is West and right is East . To a Russian it is The reverse ?


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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:34 pm

    JohninMK wrote:S p r i n t e r
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    🇪🇨 Ecuador wants to transfer Russian military equipment to the US to be sent to Ukraine

    The country's President Daniel Noboa said that he would transfer old Soviet and Russian military equipment to the United States for further delivery to Ukraine.

    Noboa is going to get $200 million worth of new weapons from this deal.

    Good deal for him actually. In terms of russian weapons, Ecuador has 200 old igla and 10 Osa obtained from ukraine. Not worth 100$ and he gets 200 million for it.

    News isn't going into details. Ecuador which is already a US puppet like 90% of the south american countries agrees to obei but sends nothing interesting since it doesn't operates russian weapons.

    Knowing this you can just relax and say "yeah another bitch helping with no real help, just another propaganda move".

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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    38.3: 1 wow!! THat is approaching a turkey shoot.
    GarryB wrote:
    Yes, but they are silly to use these tactics because everyone knows you win by killing the enemy and these tactics are evidence of a stalemate... the west tells you that so it must be true.

    It is not a stalemate it is a tactic to maximise enemy losses and minimise your own so as not to damage your home economy, and to really stretch your enemy.


    Killing the enemy is an essntial part of winning a war, true. But by successful interdiction, taking away their ammo, fuel and food you make the killing much less riskly, cut down their manuever options, and can trigger mass surrenders that lower your losses and accelerate time to victory. If your killing rate approaches extermination you will likely get a collapse. That would be good for Russia as NATO will have no escalation options in the face of massive collapses at the front. The key is to move events faster then NATO can react.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:14 pm

    Kiko wrote:[b>The Sejm of Poland supported Duda's words about the historically Russian Crimea[/b], 02.04.2024.

    This is one of the dumbest comments (RIA addressed here not you Kiko) one could produce out of fact, being the sole evidence of how stupid the Russkie propaganda can be.
    And how much you shall be cautious not to fall into.
    It is not any kind of Sejm support, but a personal opinion of Sejm's co-chairman.
    Mr. Bosak is a member and one of the rulers of the Konfederacja party, which holds all sorts of reasonable people, assisted by one more sort of imbecile.
    They do represent a kind of sane opinion about this war and PL/UKR relations, but are a minority that lost the voting not getting even the pooled results and ending up with some 8%.
    And he represented this sane opinion for years, being outnumbered.
    The sole fact that they are the only party keen to react in Realpolitik is fukin scary.
    So not Sejm, not official, not formal, and only a personal from a guy who was saying the same for years.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:37 pm




    Bosak and Mentzen, with their faction of the "Confederation" have been keen on ingratiating themselves to the Ukrainian nationalists since at least 2020.

    That would be a majority of the "Confederation".

    Bosak openly said about having "common goals" with the Banderites. Mentzen openly has supported bringing in as many Ukrainians into Poland as possible.


    The reasonable faction of the "Confederation" are Janusz Korwin-Mikke and Grzegorz Braun, but the latter recently made a fool of himself in the Polish parliament while the former is no longer even in the parliament.



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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:44 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Crimea was in Russian hands for a long time,
    Since 1783


    How long was Galicia in Polish hands. Lol




    Since mid-1300's until 1772, with an interruption of some 10 years during second half of the 14th century when it was under Hungarian rule.

    On top of that it was again Polish for around 20 years during the inter-war period.




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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm

    Kiko wrote:[b>The Sejm of Poland supported Duda's words about the historically Russian Crimea[/b], 02.04.2024.

    The Polish Sejm agreed that Crimea belonged to Russia longer than to Ukraine.

    WARSAW, February 4 – RIA Novosti. Vice Speaker of the Polish Sejm Krzysztof Bosak agreed with President Andrzej Duda on the Polsat TV channel that Crimea belonged to Russia longer than to Ukraine.

    The day before, Duda, in an interview for the Kanal Zero program, admitted that Crimea historically belonged to Russia and that the Kiev regime is unlikely to return it under its control.

    “The president told the truth. There are attempts to impose pro-Ukrainian political correctness in Poland, but we are not here to repeat the line of Ukrainian diplomacy,” Bosak said.

    According to him, if Ukraine wants political correctness on the part of Poland, it must take reciprocal steps.

    “If Ukraine wants this to be so, it should encourage us to do this, but this is not visible. We have an unresolved issue of conflict over the capture of the cargo transportation market, an unresolved issue of conflict over the flow of agricultural goods from Ukraine, we have unresolved historical issues, and we must discipline each other and prove that Crimea is more Ukrainian than Russian? This is strange for me,” the vice speaker added.

    Duda's words about Crimea caused a resonance in Poland. The president was hit with a wave of criticism, after which he published a post on the social network X, in which he confirmed the “unequivocal” position of Warsaw , which does not recognize the Russian affiliation of the peninsula.

    Crimea became a Russian region in March 2014 following a referendum held after the coup in Ukraine. 96.77 percent of voters in the Republic of Crimea and 95.6 percent of residents of Sevastopol were in favor of reunification with Russia . Ukraine considers the peninsula its own, but temporarily occupied territory. Moscow has repeatedly stated that the residents of Crimea made the decision democratically, in full compliance with international law and the UN Charter . According to Vladimir Putin , there are no circumstances under which Crimea could return to Ukraine “and there never will be.”

    https://ria.ru/20240204/krym-1925340120.html



    That is a pleasant surprise.


    See what I wrote about Bosak in a post above.



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    Post  Kiko Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:54 pm

    Whole stuff will be solved through due referenda in the respective regions.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:21 pm

    ALAMO wrote:...
    Let's begin with the fact, that the Moskva case is not resolved....

    It's 100% resolved, the ship is rotting on the bottom of the sea after getting sunk by apes

    There's no big mystery here



    ALAMO wrote:...
    Both Osa systems were hidden under a deck, suggesting that no attack was being repelled....

    Of course attack wasn't repelled, if it were that ship would still be floating

    Explanation is simple: The ever dumbass Russian Navy was sailing their obsolete tub in the range of enemy missiles with defenses turned off while in the middle of the war thinking they are some untouchable hot shit

    They were as always proven wrong


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:21 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    38.3: 1 wow!! THat is approaching a turkey shoot.
    GarryB wrote:
    Yes, but they are silly to use these tactics because everyone knows you win by killing the enemy and these tactics are evidence of a stalemate... the west tells you that so it must be true.

    It is not a stalemate it is a tactic to maximise enemy losses and minimise your own so as not to damage your home economy, and to really stretch your enemy.


    Killing the enemy is an essntial part of winning a war, true. But by successful interdiction, taking away their ammo, fuel and food you make the killing much less riskly, cut down their manuever options, and can trigger mass surrenders that lower your losses and accelerate time to victory.  If your killing rate approaches extermination you will likely  get a collapse. That would be good for Russia as NATO will  have no escalation options in the face of massive collapses at the front. The key is to move events faster then NATO can react.


    Interruption of the transportation lines is important.


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-ZiemiKieleckiej.html



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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    There's no big mystery here

    It is always a pleasure and a gain - even a privilege - to read a comment from a Serbian navy admiral. welcome

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:15 pm

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    Here you can see nearly half of the Serbian "Navy".

    Sorry for being Off Topic

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:17 pm

    Not big enough to keep his ego floating. They need a bigger boat! Laughing

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    * by the way, the Danube is a GREAT river for tourism. The Romanian river delta is just fantastic, and the whole of river flow gives a fantastic perspective of Europe's diversity.
    A few of us own this heritage. And a chance. Just feel it.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:32 pm

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-02/why-ukraine-s-general-valeriy-zaluzhnyi-is-a-problem-for-zelenskiy?srnd=premium-europe

    https://www.unian.net/politics/bloomberg-general-zaluzhnyy-stal-problemoy-dlya-zelenskogo-12532548.html

    Zaluzhny may oust Zelensky in a coup. We shall see how it plays out!
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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:34 pm

    He is right. Moskva was sunk. Those naval Osa not rised is probably because of the bad state of the ship and they were not even functional.

    It's time to move on.

    Hope for them it's useless to keep a cruiser designed to fight US carriers unmaintained in a big lake.

    Even the US almost suffered the same last week. It AB had to use it phalanx to destroy a houti missile which means it went through the aegis system.

    Such ships are juicy targets and easy to destroy if you use them badly and the opponent is smart.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:04 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53 - Page 8 Dju_4110
    Here you can see nearly half of the Serbian "Navy".

    Sorry for being Off Topic

    Don't be sorry, this picture allows us to do comparative analysis of these vessels and Moskva

    The most striking difference is that, unlike vessels pictured here, Moskva is currently located on the bottom of the sea even though she was not originally designed for submerged traversal



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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:25 pm

    After Nikolaev is taken, the unfinished sister ship Ukraina will be completed & replace the Moskva, or will be used as parts source for the Varyag &/ Marshal Ustinov.

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    Post  franco Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:26 pm

    I struggle at times with sarcasm Arrow however this looks as subtle as a brick to the head pale

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:57 pm

    This might be long but its worth the read.

    January 29, 2024 – 19:10.

    What does the offensive of Russian troops in the Kharkov region mean?
    By Yevgeny Krutikov

    “The settlement of Tabayevka in the Kharkov region has been liberated,” the Russian Defense Ministry says. We are not just facing the capture of a village: Russian troops are now hacking into the contact lines, which have not budged for a year. Russia is creating a new strategic situation in the Kharkov region, threatening to dismember the Ukrainian defence up to the Donetsk agglomeration.

    First, Krakhmalnoye, then Tabayevka – Russian troops have advanced in the Svatovo direction (Kharkov region), pushing the enemy to a new line of defence (to the village of Peschanoye). Slightly to the north, already close to Kupyansk, the enemy’s positions are also gradually moving to the west and southwest.

    Along the way, forests are being cleared, which the VSU [Ukrainian Armed Forces] is turning into fortified areas, even giving them names (“Alligator” and “Woodpecker”). The enemy is losing the old lines of trenches, the first line of contact has been destroyed. Something similar is happening directly near Kupyansk, but there the advanced fortified lines in Sinkovka are being held still by the VSU, though the positions on the flanks have gradually begun to sink.

    At first glance, we are looking at isolated episodes of positional warfare, since the big, iconic and recognizable geographical names do not appear in the information releases. But this is not quite true.

    Firstly, even in this scenario as published so far, strategic threats arise for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for example, in the possible drive of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to the Oskol River which has far-reaching prospects. Notwithstanding, it is still impossible to predict when this will become possible in practice.

    Secondly, the enemy has been demonstrating a systemic defence crisis in the Kupyansk direction during the past week. The defence of Kupyansk has been under construction by the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the spring of last year, when the decision was made in Kiev on a ‘counteroffensive’ in the southern direction. New brigades with western armoured vehicles were sent to the southern section of the contact line, and Kupyansk and the area around it were designated for defence with the rest of their forces.

    In Kiev, they were convinced that Russian troops were forming an offensive group in the Kupyansk direction, and so the VSU began to wait there for a frontal assault. However, as a result, the Russian Army did not undertake anything of the kind in this area. Instead, the Ukrainian units were gradually ground down by the Russian army in positional battles, while the Kupyansk group of the VSU had to be replenished with whatever troops were left.

    Now Ukrainian sources are complaining that as a consequence, a combination of lines has formed in the sinkhole areas (that’s the same Krakhmalnoye and Tabayevka). Into these lines the VSU has herded separate battalions from different units, with the result that unified management and command have been lost, and the performance quality of the troops has left much to be desired.

    As a result, the VSU is considering the possibility of transferring the remnants of those forces which participated in the failed ‘counteroffensive”’ to Kupyansk from the southern direction. Before that, they had been sent in great haste sent to Avdeyevka.

    But this is already a systemic problem for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, since there is trouble in the southern sector. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have gradually regained some of the positions which were left during the so-called counteroffensive, and these forces continue to move forward. We are even talking about possible threats to Orekhov, a rearguard city for the VSU, from which all the communications and command of the ‘counteroffensive’ had been carried out.

    Behind the defensive fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, an open field for tens of kilometres opens up on a whole group of sites. Kiev’s military reserves are gradually being squandered, and there is practically no human materiel left to plug the holes. Related to these problems there are the panic campaigns in Kiev about total mobilization.

    There is another problem: the attrition of officers. Western military personnel cannot replace this crucial resource — they can only be used to service technically complicated weapons systems such as air defence or long-range artillery. Along the line of contact, foreign officers are more likely to interfere due to their ignorance of the language and misunderstanding of the mentality of the [Ukrainian] subordinates.

    There are other factors weakening the Ukrainian defence, but they are not directly related to military operations. For example, the Western sponsors are really concerned about the corruption of the Ukrainian leadership. The inspections and audits which are taking place in Kiev on this issue right now are preventing Ukraine from building new defensive lines swiftly enough.

    Another non-military factor: political discord among the various factions of the Ukrainian authorities. The premonition of defeat is triggering a drop in morale, not only in the troops, but also in the elites.

    All this in general creates a strategic opportunity for Russia to seriously change the situation on the line of contact.

    Partial tactical successes must at some point turn into a major breakthrough in the enemy’s defence. Moreover, we are talking about such a breakthrough that will not stop in just two or three days at the next defensive line, but will lead inevitably, precisely, to the collapse of the front. This is exactly what the efforts of the Russian Armed Forces are now aimed at, probing for the weaknesses in Ukrainian defensive positions.

    The liberation of Tabayevka is an example of just such an approach. Sooner or later, the VSU will not have time to create a new defensive line behind a particular settlement. And then we will see how the special operation will break the current positional deadlock.

    Copied from https://johnhelmer.net/breakthrough-on-all-fronts-ahead-of-schedule/

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    Post  franco Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:56 am

    Psyops training from NZ obviously...

    https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1754264846365868303

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