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    Post  mnztr Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:29 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Remember how those tiny, tiny Norwegian drones that were given to Ukraine were lauded as some kind of gamechanger? Remember the U.S-produced "Switchblade" drones? Nobody even talks about them anymore, much like everything else...

    Well, thing is, they usually (not always though) work as advertised but they only do so in very specific, ideal conditions, and they cost an effing shit ton of money at that. The entire western MIC is absolutely not geared up to handle an actual war against a peer opponent like Russia or China. Not economically, not logistically, not industrially. The western MIC is designed to provide hideously overpriced defense "solutions" to its members (chiefly NATO) that could potentially work in some minor show of force kind of conflict against a tiny, underdeveloped opponent, but first of all it is designed to feed the aforementioned MIC. Hence the heavy lobbying and what not. It's called corruption in any other country. An inflated variant.

    IF, and I say "if" (because none has really impressed anyone so far) any western weapon introduced to the conflict actually would bother the Russians, they soon figure out how to counteract it and within the same timeframe also produce an analogy to strike back with. This for a mere fraction of the price.



    Yes but these are early days in this revolution. Look at the Turkish drone. 2 years ago it was revolutionary, now a piece of trash. Its not possible to predict how this is gonna evolve, and when that is the case, there is a huge risk there will be times when you are on the back foot.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:36 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Is Gerasimov dead or alive?

    Alive, but given the amount of times the Ukrainians have confirmed they killed him he should consider changing his name to U.S.S. Enterprise (the U.S. Carrier from the second world war, not any of the Star ships from Star Trek) as he has been claimed killed by the Banderites almost as many times as the Japanese claimed to destroy the Enterprise

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:39 pm

    by the way ubersturmbahnfuehrer Hausenpfeffer, is Reichsmarschal Lloyd Austin amongt the kiving oe dead? He's been convalescing without pics for an awfully long time from his "gall bladder" surgery

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:07 am


    Just saw on CNN that they are going back to that figure skating doping scandal they framed that kid Valieva for back in Winter Olympics

    Ukrs must be getting absolutely assraped into oblivion on the frontlines if that old pile of hog shit is being reheated and served again to the prols



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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:22 am

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    Just saw on CNN that they are going back to that figure skating doping scandal they framed that kid Valieva for back in Winter Olympics

    Ukrs must be getting absolutely assraped into oblivion on the frontlines if that old pile of hog shit is being reheated and served again to the prols


    The bastards rubbed out Valieva for a further 2 years  angry   WADA b'stards have viciously pursued a young sportswoman in order to destroy her reputation and deprive her of the most productive years of her sporting career simply to score "points" againt Russia.  Tiny traces of a heart medication (not a performance enhancer) from an old blood sample from a period when she wasn't competing (fully consistent with an accidental exposure, ie her grandfathers heart meds), no detection prior or since, and finally announcing the detection just before the Olympic finals to rattle her at the critical moment... all dirty evil tricks by a bunch of calculating psychopaths.

    It is sht like this that should be harnessed by the Russian nation to stiffen resolve and see the Ukraine fiasco thru to its bitter end.  No pasaran.  No mercy to the banderites.  No surrender to the accursed liberal homoglobo globalist cabal that lusts after planetray domination.  Russia, her people and her allies all say NO.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:24 am

    Just saw on CNN that they are going back to that figure skating doping scandal they framed that kid Valieva for back in Winter Olympics

    Yep, poor girl has been stripped of her gold medal. the NATzO freaks won't miss a single opportunity to cheat and humiliate Russians. Russia needs to supply the Houthis with powerful anti ship missiles and or stealth seaucide drones to create a NATzO equivalent of the Moskva incident.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:26 am

    Hole wrote:
    You can´t have too many magazines. Very Happy

    No AT weapon?
    No mines? No

    There is room for improvement.
    He's a stormtrooper. His assault detachment will try to infiltrate through to enemy positions either through stealth or under the suppressive fire of heavy artillery and clear the way through rifle, grenade and bayonet. Heavier weapons will only slow him down.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:15 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:by the way ubersturmbahnfuehrer Hausenpfeffer, is Reichsmarschal Lloyd Austin amongt the kiving oe dead? He's been convalescing without pics for an awfully long time from his "gall bladder" surgery

    Seen video of him today at a Pentagon meeting. Looked like he had lost a bit of weight. Sadly it looks like he is alive.
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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:43 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:by the way ubersturmbahnfuehrer Hausenpfeffer, is Reichsmarschal Lloyd Austin amongt the kiving oe dead? He's been convalescing without pics for an awfully long time from his "gall bladder" surgery

    Seen video of him today at a Pentagon meeting. Looked like he had lost a bit of weight. Sadly it looks like he is alive.

    Possibly a good thing actually. He's a bungling incompetent who only knows how to funnel taxpayer money to the MIC and put the kickbacks in his bank accounts. As a military strategist, one could literally watch this site and a few twitter accounts and have a fairly more accurate appreciation for the war than he does. He's part of Biden's diversity agenda. Just a token black guy, just like the token lgbtq alphabet soup people, women, Asians, Latinos, etc in his cabinet. I don't blame Austin for using his office to fatten his wallet (and he undoubtedly is), but he didn't get the job because of his competence.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:23 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Just saw on CNN that they are going back to that figure skating doping scandal they framed that kid Valieva for back in Winter Olympics

    Ukrs must be getting absolutely assraped into oblivion on the frontlines if that old pile of hog shit is being reheated and served again to the prols


    The bastards rubbed out Valieva for a further 2 years  angry   WADA b'stards have viciously pursued a young sportswoman in order to destroy her reputation and deprive her of the most productive years of her sporting career simply to score "points" againt Russia.  Tiny traces of a heart medication (not a performance enhancer) from an old blood sample from a period when she wasn't competing (fully consistent with an accidental exposure, ie her grandfathers heart meds), no detection prior or since, and finally announcing the detection just before the Olympic finals to rattle her at the critical moment... all dirty evil tricks by a bunch of calculating psychopaths.

    It is sht like this that should be harnessed by the Russian nation to stiffen resolve and see the Ukraine fiasco thru to its bitter end.  No pasaran.  No mercy to the banderites.  No surrender to the accursed liberal homoglobo globalist cabal that lusts after planetray domination.  Russia, her people and her allies all say NO.
    hc
    Without the Russian ladies, womens figure skating is the amateur leagues. Still I am glad Anna Shcherbakova won the gold. She is such a wonderful artist on the ice, and such a cool young lass. She deserved it and those scumbags can't take it away.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:17 am

    If Russia committed double the infantry to this war it would probably go more than twice as fast. The lines would simply be overwhelmed.

    I would say committing more drones and more artillery would speed things up better without putting more Russian bodies in harms way.

    If Russia can make a drone for every Orc soldier and hunt them down one by one then that makes more sense than sending more bodies into the firing line.

    I think Paul Craig Roberts is right. Russia isn't committing that much infantry to this war. Listen to the play by play on this war with History legends. He talks about the battle for Avdiivka. Russia gains some bridge head. Ukraine command counters with reinforcements. 100 infantry and 3 tanks. (which did not repel the Russians) These dinky battles do not play to Russia's strength. Numbers would play to Russia's strength. As it always has. This war is a cluster of small battles going along the front.

    Do you understand how stupid it would be to mass large infantry forces in places where the enemy has cluster munitions and artillery?

    The Orcs are losing significant numbers of bodies every day while the Russian forces are building up and arming up... when the time is right they can strike, but until then you have to be patient.

    Nobody gets the point, that a real economy of the whole west is not as powerful if clashes with real resources&industry driven economy of Russia.
    Finally, one of my colleagues asked me openly, how do I predict the situation to look like in a year time period.
    When I told him, that in my opinion Russia will consolidate, speed up processes of reorienting to the east, never in predictable future to return to the business as usual status with the EU and "west", they all laughed.
    Well, I have nit discussed much with them for the last year +, must arrange some nice meeting there Laughing Laughing Laughing
    But not sure if they will be interested

    I suspect many in the west will bury their heads in the sand thinking Russia will collapse when they kick the door in... Europeans in particular think that way, but the ones that stick to their guns long after they have been proven wrong are not people who should be in charge... they will call the first who want to change tactics cowards or even rats deserting a perfectly fine ship, but it was rats that often knew first when a ship was taking on water so they knew to leave first.

    Delaying finding out the truth just delays your corrections and new tactics which delays their effects... if there was no war on and western efforts were not openly murdering Russian citizens and soldiers then going back to "normal" would probably be what both sides want, but I dare say the recent western attempt to drive Russia back to the 1990s for the purposes of destroying their economy and perhaps even starting civil wars... I can't see them wanting to return to being best buddies any time soon.

    Donetsk is again under Ukrainian shelling today. Multiple dead and wounded civilians.

    Kiev has been murdering these people since 2014, it is no surprise that they continue being the terrorist state that the west funds and supports.

    Just confirmation that this conflict is necessary and that the people guilty of these attacks are in the process of being tracked down and dealt with.

    The Leningrad NPP is on the other side of the Bay of Finland ffs, some 100km as the crow flies. Geography much? And what kind of idiot would hope for that, anyway? Nuclear disasters are seldom localized events...

    Which is why a real conflict with HATO would be much easier as there would be no possibility of collateral damage... there are no innocent civilians to worry about.

    They think terrorism is acceptable... even nuclear terrorism...

    So Mark Sleboda says the war will take another 2-3 years.

    My cat said 4 to 5 years... but he is probably no better at reading tea leaves than Mark.

    Its possible IMHO as long as russia does not take decisive action.

    What is the rush... this conflict is bleeding the entire west and causing internal strife and arguments, why hurry to finish something that is clearly damaging the west and actually strengthening Russia.

    When this conflict ends lots of western companies will want back into the Russian market to make money and expand their nefarious influence and spread their values and way of doing business. Russia needs that like a kick to the crotch.

    Russia was worried about all those thousands of people working at Starbucks that would lose their jobs... **** coffee... train them to make aircraft or cars or useful things.

    Imagine if the West provides Ukraine with small drones that operate like CBUs but guided and delivered by HIMARs.

    The west has been supplying such drones since day one... why do you think the Russians deploy jammers and other equipment to deal with drones?

    Sure Russia will have them too, but in the back and forth tech swings the carnage could be horrendous.

    Russia seems to not only be outproducing them, but also creating smarter more capable models and even AI drones with day night and all weather vision to attack individuals. AI has the advantage of being able to deal with a large number of engagements at one time with the coordination to hit each target and then when the kill had been confirmed move to other targets, or if it is confirmed to not be a kill to hit the target again.

    How the attack on the US based happened (impressive!!!):

    That is something the Americans have been doing in Syria and other places for years... not impressive at all... impressive that they are so stupid as to drop their guard when their own drone returns and don't expect to be attacked...

    Well, thing is, they usually (not always though) work as advertised but they only do so in very specific, ideal conditions, and they cost an effing shit ton of money at that.

    Plus the Russians see what they do and how they do it and work out tactics and methods and equipment to stop them and to defend themselves.

    IF, and I say "if" (because none has really impressed anyone so far) any western weapon introduced to the conflict actually would bother the Russians, they soon figure out how to counteract it and within the same timeframe also produce an analogy to strike back with. This for a mere fraction of the price.

    The Russian military are probably the most expert military on the planet in on the ground day to day use of drones in warfare, and they are testing new drones and anti drone systems every day... perfecting it and getting it into service within a few months.

    I wouldn't underestimate such nato drones. They can easily make hundreds per month. It's just they didn't turn into wartime mode economy so their production is low and price are too high for what they are.

    The west is better at the bigger drones, which are only good against third world countries with no air force or large long range SAMs. They wont send UAVs into Ukraine airspace because their life expectancy would be minutes. The smaller drones are best if they are cheap because making them in enormous numbers means they are more widely deployed and used which makes them more effective.

    Drones are like SAMs and ATGMs... western gold plated missiles look nice on paper but in combat seem to have some issues but cost so much you need a super power and its HATO cronies to be gifting them to you or you will simply never be getting enough.

    Conversely a super cheap ATGM would be excellent for hitting a wide range of targets on the battlefield at distance with precision. The British loved the Milan ATGM in the Falklands because of its range and thermal sights, even though the Argentines didn't have any tanks... they had landing vehicles that the US Marines used but they were taken out easily with M72 LAWs.

    Look at the Turkish drone. 2 years ago it was revolutionary, now a piece of trash. Its not possible to predict how this is gonna evolve, and when that is the case, there is a huge risk there will be times when you are on the back foot.

    Too big and too slow and operates at a height where it is an easy target for a range of air defence systems the Russians use.

    It was never going to do well.

    all dirty evil tricks by a bunch of calculating psychopaths.

    It is their nature, I would be more afraid if they started acting "nice".

    Let them win their medals, the deceit involved makes the gold medal worthless when you are not competing against the best to win it.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:34 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I suspect many in the west will bury their heads in the sand thinking Russia will collapse when they kick the door in... Europeans in particular think that way, but the ones that stick to their guns long after they have been proven wrong are not people who should be in charge... they will call the first who want to change tactics cowards or even rats deserting a perfectly fine ship, but it was rats that often knew first when a ship was taking on water so they knew to leave first.

    Keep in mind that we are talking about an entire factory of lies that was set up to put the Europeans into that perspective. And it has operated for three decades. It takes less to teach an ape quantum math.
    Russia is a pain in the ass of the west like forever, because when all the colonial powers gained speed in colonization, it was busy with moving eastwards. And the case was, that a landmass hadn't ended until they had reached the Pacific.
    And crossed it Laughing
    Which left them as a multicontinental size civilization that absorbed all of the close to 200 smaller tribes and nations into one composite social structure.
    What I find as particularly interesting next step, is the Spitsbergen.
    Svalbald Act of 1925 has a very weak legal grounds, while owning it gives an enormous privilege for Arctica.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:01 am

    Putin has done more for Russia than Stalin did, and largely without the bloodshed.

    The west loves to hate Stalin but he killed mostly Germans and Soviets.

    Putin didn't kill anyone really, till now that he is engaged in killing nazis... instead of demonizing him the western governments should be learning some real lessons on how to stop the oligarchs from controlling politics and for politicians to be working for your country rather than bending a knee to the US on every issue like those pussies in Europe and the rest of the west have done.

    Europe didn't have a huge number of problems before separating themselves from Russia on US orders, but now they do have problems and the US can't solve them.... and while Russia could easily solve their problems, I rather think they wont be inclined to do so ever again.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:18 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Europe didn't have a huge number of problems before separating themselves from Russia on US orders, but now they do have problems and the US can't solve them.... and while Russia could easily solve their problems, I rather think they wont be inclined to do so ever again.

    They "can't" solve them, because those are problems inflicted on Urope by the US.
    It is a whole strategy that was crystalizing 30 years ago, when the EU became too independent after the Maastricht treaty.
    At the peak of European integration in the early 00s, there was quite a serious discussion about constituting a European army, that would seriously undermine the role of NATO itself. Multiple Eurocorps has been created and manned, and all of them are steadily deteriorating in importance for the last 15 or so years.
    The US targeted European structures with every tool they had, using bribery, blackmailing, NGO influence, and creating an entire class of future European agents of influence using "grants", "study programs" etc.
    As I said, it is not a coincidence, that at the same moment, in multiple European countries, the steer of power was granted to relatively young females who all shared a very same or similar political career. Participating in the same grants, founded by the same NGOs, and making the same careers in the same institutions, or belonging to the same capital.
    All those young bitches had certain goals to achieve to please their masters.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:24 am

    Putin has done more for Russia than Stalin did, and largely without the bloodshed. wrote:


    Stalin turned the USSR into one of two superpowers. However, the USSR had greater demographic potential than current Russia and greater influence.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:00 am

    Stalin turned the USSR into one of two superpowers.

    He dragged a still relatively backward country through industrialisation on a path to become the first space faring nation on the planet.

    I would describe what Putin has done as something rather similar... he took a corrupt cesspool drowning in western consumerism and corruption into an actual democracy with a real free press which is critical for any democracy and what the west actually lacks and why it is so disfunctional and will likely remain so until it crashes.

    They "can't" solve them, because those are problems inflicted on Urope by the US.

    Being a colonial master Europe should have recognised what the US was doing and quickly work out why they would be doing that... and once they realise that their goals were totally selfish and did not have European interests at heart it should have been easy for them to reject... but they didn't care.

    Ironically they need a Napoleon or Hitler, which was the Soviets Stalin, or they could find a Putin, but I think it is already too late for the easy solution which was improve relations with Russia and work together to make both sides benefit... the problem for the west is that trade and relations was always about enriching oneself and the cost of the partner who was sometimes consumed and destroyed in the process, or just kept weak and poor... like France and the African countries they abused.

    I am not finding solutions for the west... screw them... let them suffer a bit... but it is nice to point out that they essentially did this to themselves but of course they will blame the US when they realise...

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    Post  Hole Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:04 am

    Heavier weapons will only slow him down.
    Bringing some humour in this forum is really hard work. Rolling Eyes

    I was sarcastic, brother.
    I could have added that he had no MANPAD or some jammer.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:14 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    He has slid on the edge.
    Before joining the Russian Federation, capital punishment was possible in both of the republics.
    Now it is under moratory, sadly on some occasions.

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    Post  Hole Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:46 pm

    Send him into some fields to clear mines.

    had greater demographic potential
    Bangladesh has some 170+ million people.
    Still no superpower.

    and greater influence.
    Debatable.
    In soviet times Russia never managed to create something like BRICS+,
    despite being on good terms with some of those countries.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:27 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53 Img_2403
    🇬🇧🇺🇦clown The Sun trying to pass a burning oil depot in Kharkov as a downed Su-34 for some reason.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/100073

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    Post  RTN Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:I would describe what Putin has done as something rather similar... he took a corrupt cesspool drowning in western consumerism and corruption into an actual democracy with a real free press
    😂😂😂 Free press and Russia. Take your meds on time.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:34 pm

    CIA chief blames Russia for America's loss of global supremacy, by Vera Basilaya for VZGLYAD. 01.30.2024.

    CIA Director Burns: The US no longer has undisputed superiority in the world because of Russia and China.

    The United States has lost its undeniable supremacy due to the growing influence of Russia and the rise of China, and Ukraine faces a difficult year, CIA chief William Burns wrote in an article for Foreign Affairs.

    Burns noted that Russian President Vladimir Putin is restoring defense production in the country, so Moscow is confident that it will crush Ukraine and exhaust its Western supporters, RIA Novosti reports .

    The CIA chief also believes that this year is likely to be a difficult year on the battlefield in Ukraine, a test of endurance that will require the West to increase its military supplies to Kiev, otherwise the United States will “score an own goal of historic proportions.”

    In his opinion, Kyiv’s support could give the United States a geopolitical advantage and also bring dividends to the country’s military-industrial complex.

    The newspaper VZGLYAD wrote that Russia’s victory in Ukraine would be a blessing for the whole world.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/1/30/1251073.html

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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53 Empty Free Press

    Post  calripson Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:49 pm

    RTN wrote:
    GarryB wrote:I would describe what Putin has done as something rather similar... he took a corrupt cesspool drowning in western consumerism and corruption into an actual democracy with a real free press
    😂😂😂 Free press and Russia. Take your meds on time.

    Russia needs to aspire to a standard of a free press found in the West. They should hire Julian Assange as a consultant.

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