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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:33 pm

    franco wrote:Psyops training from NZ obviously...

    https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1754264846365868303

    That will scare the Ruskies Laughing
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    Post  thegopnik Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:57 pm

    GLSDB is the new wonder weapon. Heard it costs 40k to make, what is the cost of a pantsir SAM being used to intercept it assuming there was some massive scale production?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:31 pm

    🇪🇨 Ecuador wants to transfer Russian military equipment to the US to be sent to Ukraine

    I suspect Russia wont go bananas over this... in fact I suspect the opposite... there will likely be an import ban on bananas from Ecuador that is likely going to cost them rather more than $200 million dollars.


    Good deal for him actually. In terms of russian weapons, Ecuador has 200 old igla and 10 Osa obtained from ukraine. Not worth 100$ and he gets 200 million for it.

    It will effect Russian imports of Ecuadorian products... I would expect export bans in fact.

    Killing the enemy is an essntial part of winning a war, true. But by successful interdiction, taking away their ammo, fuel and food you make the killing much less riskly, cut down their manuever options, and can trigger mass surrenders that lower your losses and accelerate time to victory. If your killing rate approaches extermination you will likely get a collapse. That would be good for Russia as NATO will have no escalation options in the face of massive collapses at the front. The key is to move events faster then NATO can react.

    You posted two quotes in this reply, the first is not something I said... in fact I think you actually said that.

    Taking away food and fuel and transport links makes everyone suffer including civilians that Russia is supposed to be trying to liberate.

    The current tactics focus the weapons of Russia on their enemy... Ukrainians with weapons fighting Russia, so the level of collateral damage is tiny and in fact often self inflicted by their own weapons being used to shoot down threats that hit apartment buildings and other civilian targets.

    Continuing to wipe out the brainwashed makes the post war reeducation a bit easier because the hard core nutters will either be dead or have left for the west.

    Explanation is simple: The ever dumbass Russian Navy was sailing their obsolete tub in the range of enemy missiles with defenses turned off while in the middle of the war thinking they are some untouchable hot shit

    An explanation made up by you and hardly anything like authoritative fact.

    The ship might have hit a mine, but I doubt it... it might have launched an S-300F and the rocket motor might have failed to fire and the missile fell back down onto the deck and started a fire that got out of control and spread. There was talk that the fire fighting equipment was substandard and had not been upgraded.

    They saved a little bit of money by not properly upgrading the ship and it cost them the ship.

    If the Orcs sank the boat with missiles they would use those missiles a lot more to get other hits... and it seems they are not that effective.

    Why would they turn off their defences in a war zone... the simple answer is that they wouldn't.

    They were as always proven wrong

    So you prove them incompetent by making claims about what happened.

    In the court of media that is perfectly fine, but I would prefer actual facts over claims and personal bias.


    Interruption of the transportation lines is important.

    If you have a good spy network on the ground or good C4ISTAR resources so you can see where they are locating ammo and weapon dumps near the front it is actually easier to hit the ammo all together than one truck at a time.

    It also means they waste resources getting everything to the front.

    Sometimes not attacking and letting them build up their forces makes more sense because you can see where everything is and where things go to hide and where things are stored... and then when the time is right you can destroy it.

    He is right. Moskva was sunk. Those naval Osa not rised is probably because of the bad state of the ship and they were not even functional.

    It was sunk, but not the way Kiev claims... they claim two anti ship missile hits, which the Russians deny.

    If the OSA missiles were not functional they would not have used the ship in the first place.

    Or they would have sent ships to escort it that did have functional air defence.

    Hope for them it's useless to keep a cruiser designed to fight US carriers unmaintained in a big lake.

    Their mistake was not upgrading it and thinking it was still a cruiser.

    This lesson will no doubt be learned.

    Such ships are juicy targets and easy to destroy if you use them badly and the opponent is smart.

    I don't agree, With suitable upgrades and improvements and improved fire fighting systems I rather suspect the ship would not have been lost whether it was a mine or a malfunctioning missile.

    After Nikolaev is taken, the unfinished sister ship Ukraina will be completed & replace the Moskva, or will be used as parts source for the Varyag &/ Marshal Ustinov.

    I doubt it will be taken intact, I would say focus on the Orlan class crusiers and get Corvettes and Frigates into serial production mode and start laying down a destroyer or two.

    That will scare the Ruskies

    Only if they play Rugby to decide the outcome.

    GLSDB is the new wonder weapon.

    The Russians will learn how to deal with it and likely hit it before it gets to the front lines as much as they can.

    Maybe Russia should start to support Syria and Iraq and Iran in their conflict against the US.

    Even just 120mm mortars for attacking US bases in Syria and Iraq, or perhaps a few Grad vehicles... but most of all destroy the trucks the US is using to take Syrian oil to Turkey and Israel and keep destroying them using cheap drones for the job.

    Destroying the equipment at the oilfields makes sense because there is no question the Americans will destroy them anyway if they are ever forced to leave, so destroying them now will mean the only reason for them to stay is to help the Kurds... and they couldn't care less about the Kurds... never did.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:45 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Psyops training from NZ obviously...

    https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1754264846365868303

    That will scare the Ruskies Laughing

    Well damn, the war is lost. They'll be in Moscow, Petersburg, and Volgograd in a month. . . . As POWs but they'll be in those cities nonetheless. . . .

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:04 am

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53 - Page 9 Dju_4110
    Here you can see nearly half of the Serbian "Navy".

    I presume you are referring to the inflatable moored to portside? Razz

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:47 am

    I suspect Russia wont go bananas over this... in fact I suspect the opposite... there will likely be an import ban on bananas from Ecuador that is likely going to cost them rather more than $200 million dollars.  
    Ecuador is the world's leading banana exporter, with sales worth around $3.5 billion in 2022. Around a fifth of its annual sales goes to Russia. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/02/04/ecuador-russia-bananas-military-exports-diplomacy/65f8976e-c39c-11ee-bbc9-9b5ca9b20779_story.html#:~:text=Ecuador%20is%20the%20world's%20leading,annual%20sales%20goes%20to%20Russia.
    1/5th of it =0.7B, or $700M.
    It was sunk, but not the way Kiev claims... they claim two anti ship missile hits, which the Russians deny.
    cameras don't lie: https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-images-of-russian-warship-moskva-before-it-sank-emerge-online-heres-what-they-show-us-12593024 https://www.admiraltytrilogy.com/read/Moskva_Damage.pdf
    while its't not 100% certain that Ukr. AShMs were involved, IMO it's more than likely. Only divers/minisubs inspections can confirm what really sunk it.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10720267/Ingenious-ruse-blew-apart-Russias-flagship-Warship-sunk-pair-missiles-Ukrainians.html
    Reportedly, Harpoons sunk a Russian tug boat off Zmeiny Island:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2022/06/17/ukraine-blasts-russian-tug-near-snake-island-with-land-based-missiles/?sh=13f518c408c4


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:15 am

    franco wrote:Psyops training from NZ obviously...

    https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1754264846365868303

    Is this supposed to be from Street Fighter?



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    Post  Belisarius Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:16 am

    North of Avdeevka
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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:05 am

    The Georgian special services detained a cargo containing explosives, which was sent from Odessa to Voronezh through the territories of Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey and was probably intended for use in terrorist attacks. This was reported by the State Security Service of Georgia.

    "It has been established that explosive devices and substances were brought to Georgia from the Ukrainian city of Odessa on January 19, passing through Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey through the Sarpi checkpoint in a minivan-type car owned by a citizen of Ukraine. It was planned to bring [explosives] to the Russian Federation, to the city of Voronezh through the Daryali checkpoint," the message says.
    https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/19900667

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:27 am

    1/5th of it =0.7B, or $700M.

    The point is that lots of countries export bananas so finding a replacement wont be hard, but then Ecuador will also find other customers for their products too.

    cameras don't lie

    Don't they?

    All those sources are untrustworthy allies of Kiev with an agenda to be not interested in the truth and just keen to sell a lie.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:41 am

    After Nikolaev is taken, the unfinished sister ship Ukraina will be completed & replace the Moskva, or will be used as parts source for the Varyag &/ Marshal Ustinov.
    GarryB wrote:I doubt it will be taken intact, I would say focus on the Orlan class crusiers and get Corvettes and Frigates into serial production mode and start laying down a destroyer or two

    No way that the Ukrainians will leave that ship in salvageable condition.

    Furthermore it is an ancient ship. At best, if it is not destroyed completely, it could be used a spare parts source.

    The shipyard where it is build (Nikolaev north shipyard, former communara 61), however it is another matter. It was already dilapidated before 2014, but it is in a very good location. It could be rebuilt completely and dedicated again to destroyers construction.

    Not to talk about the two other massive shipyards: black sea shipyard (next to the destroyed grain terminal) and the Okean shipyard in the area south from the city.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:55 am

    This ship represents a scrap value only.
    And that would be doubtful as well, as if that would pay itself back, some Ukro smartass would have done that already Laughing
    Any try to make it operational would cost twice, as it requires replacement of everything that is inside.
    All the cabling, all the piping, all the furniture, every_fukin_thing.
    Dismantling first, and making brand new.
    What's more, this ship requires a huge concerning today's standards crew.
    You can man three ships, every one of which will represent the same potential. It makes it very costly to operate.
    Russia operates them only because they are still in floating conditions, and were designed as flotilla flagmans, which means having special communication, command&control tools&personel on board.

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    Post  Serberus Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:37 am

    Haven't checked in for several months and I see the conflict is still a stalemate and the same nonsense being regurgitated.
    How many years of cope you guys got left in you?

    I am going into hibernation again... wake me up in six years when Putin is hopefully no longer the president and someone who is interested in winning this hopefully takes over.  Sleep


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    Post  Hole Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:02 am

    cameras don't lie
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    Suspect

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    Post  Belisarius Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:20 pm

    Serberus wrote:Haven't checked in for several months and I see the conflict is still a stalemate and the same nonsense being regurgitated.
    How many years of cope you guys got left in you?

    I am going into hibernation again... wake me up in six years when Putin is hopefully no longer the president and someone who is interested in winning this hopefully takes over.  Sleep


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    Excellent news, one less sixth column writing shit in the next 6 years cheers

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:04 pm

    Serberus wrote:Haven't checked in for several months and I see the conflict is still a stalemate and the same nonsense being regurgitated.
    How many years of cope you guys got left in you?

    I am going into hibernation again... wake me up in six years when Putin is hopefully no longer the president and someone who is interested in winning this hopefully takes over.  Sleep


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    A stalemate for sure Laughing

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:07 pm

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    Russian forces have reached the N-20 road in central Avdeevka. This progress is confirmed by a geolocated billboard with the letters ДНР (Russian acronym for DPR) scrawled across it. The N-20 is the main artery running east to west through the city. The AFU in the west now risk being surrounded.

    EDIT: The presence of Russian forces based on the grafitti is being disputed. RuAF were still close to this position according to most mappers.


    It is a complete collapse, once this is wrapped up, a lot of forces will be free to start denazifying Chasov Yar and Khromovo/Novomikhailovka

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:30 pm

    Serberus wrote:Haven't checked in for several months and I see the conflict is still a stalemate and the same nonsense being regurgitated.
    How many years of cope you guys got left in you?

    I am going into hibernation again... wake me up in six years when Putin is hopefully no longer the president and someone who is interested in winning this hopefully takes over.  Sleep


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    Putin's main objective in this war is not a Russian victory, but making the Ukrainians into heroes that they are not.


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    Post  nomadski Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:48 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    Serberus wrote:Haven't checked in for several months and I see the conflict is still a stalemate and the same nonsense being regurgitated.
    How many years of cope you guys got left in you?

    I am going into hibernation again... wake me up in six years when Putin is hopefully no longer the president and someone who is interested in winning this hopefully takes over.  Sleep


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    Putin's main objective in this war is not a Russian victory, but making the Ukrainians into heroes that they are not.


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html







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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:05 pm

    No way that the Ukrainians will leave that ship in salvageable condition.
    I disagree: there r many ethnic Russians who may prevent any sabotage.  
    ALAMO wrote:This ship represents a scrap value only.
    Any try to make it operational would cost twice, as it requires replacement of everything that is inside.
    All the cabling, all the piping, all the furniture, every_fukin_thing.
    Dismantling first, and making brand new.
    What's more, this ship requires a huge concerning today's standards crew.
    You can man three ships, every one of which will represent the same potential. It makes it very costly to operate.
    Russia operates them only because they are still in floating conditions, and were designed as flotilla flagmans, which means having special communication, command&control tools&personel on board.
    no, it was maintained for years, & it's still cheaper & faster to complete it with modern gear & weapons requiring less crew, than to build a new hull of this size.
    Scrapping it will take valuable space in the drydock & may cost more than it's worth, all things considered. Many sailors been lost already from the Moskva, Ivanovets & Novocherkassk sinkings; those who survived have no ships to sail on. Also there r 1 heavily damaged SSK that may be cannibalized/scrapped, 1 NF CGN & the Adm. K in the yards, w/o most of their crews.
    So, an extra CG or DDG will be worth having in the long run.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:09 pm

    "The training of Ukrainian soldiers in the EU is considered a failure; they are trained using outdated methods of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Moreover, according to Western media, Ukrainian military personnel at European training grounds are not allowed to use equipment that is used on the battlefield. That is, they cannot control their UAVs due to regulatory restrictions and use their own fire control software because it is not NATO certified. The instructors of the North Atlantic Alliance themselves do not always know what to do in case of unforeseen circumstances. This is due to a lack of real combat experience.

    The armies of NATO countries did not fight with an enemy of equal strength, but were involved only in operations in the territories of third world countries. For example, military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trained in Spain, the Netherlands and other European countries, whose military personnel are virtually devoid of combat experience and it is unclear what they can teach Ukrainian soldiers.

    As a result, after returning to Ukraine, the General Staff is forced to re-train the military so that they understand the realities of combat operations that they will face at the front."
    https://t.me/rezident_ua/21

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:11 pm


    https://youtu.be/_NkQkXXh8DE https://regnum.ru/news/3865213

    https://asiatimes.com/2024/02/who-really-shot-down-russias-il-76-plane/
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:01 am

    Haven't checked in for several months and I see the conflict is still a stalemate and the same nonsense being regurgitated.

    It is not a stalemate.... putin has said repeatedly he while he is interested in peace talks, he is not interested in anything that does not recognise the realities on the ground... in other words, you already lost this and if it takes longer you will lose more.

    Hardly a stalemate at all...more like an ultimatum that the west seems deaf to.

    Which is good because the longer this goes on the better for Russia and the worse for what will be left of the Ukraine and for the west.


    Putin's main objective in this war is not a Russian victory, but making the Ukrainians into heroes that they are not.

    If his goal was a Ukrainian victory then the easiest and simplest way to achieve that was to continue watching Kiev murder and kill Ukrainians in the donbass and Lugansk regions and then turn their wrath on the crimea.

    He didn't do that.

    I disagree: there r many ethnic Russians who may prevent any sabotage.

    It was never in a pristine state to begin with and by now it will be in a sorry state even without sabotage the neglect would ruin many of the systems and parts... it is simply not a viable platform moving forward.

    So, an extra CG or DDG will be worth having in the long run.

    Wasting money on such an old ship that could be spent on expanding production of corvettes and frigates so they can get into service faster and free up shipyard space for the next step which will be destroyers.

    US investors and companies will have gone through there and stripped out anything of value that they could take... it will be an empty shell by the time it gets burned to the ground in their scorched earth policy that the nazis always enact when being butt fked.

    For example, military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trained in Spain, the Netherlands and other European countries, whose military personnel are virtually devoid of combat experience and it is unclear what they can teach Ukrainian soldiers.

    Their go to solution would be to call the US AF to crater the enemy position for a couple of days before moving forward to clear the rubble... not a relevant skill for an orc on a battlefield in the Ukraine...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:24 am

    It was never in a pristine state to begin with and by now it will be in a sorry state even without sabotage the neglect would ruin many of the systems and parts...
    not much worse than the Varyag was before being sold to China.  Everything on Ukraina CG was conserved & they hoped to sell it for many years, so even if all its innards r gone or rotten, the hull can still be salvaged, new gear & arms added, & used as a warship or at least CG/training vessel. The Russians r now saving $Ms by getting rid of the D. Donskoi SSBN & the 2 Kirov Class CGNs that they decided not to upgrade.Time will tell!
    These Ukr. policemen refuse mil. mobilization:
    https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4661199-ne-khotiat-ydty-v-shturmovyky-bunt-polytsyy-v-dnepre


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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:52 am

    This will certainly increase the number of potential targets in the west that can be hit cheaply, rather than by cruise missile.

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