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    Post  Kiko Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:57 pm

    The President of Poland unexpectedly spoke about Crimea , 02.03.2024.

    Polish President Duda admitted that Ukraine is unlikely to return Crimea.

    MOSCOW, February 3 – RIA Novosti. Polish President Andrzej Duda, in an interview for the Kanal Zero program , doubted that Ukraine would be able to return Crimea to its control.
    “I don’t know whether Ukraine will return Crimea,” he said.

    At the same time, Duda acknowledged that the peninsula has special significance from a historical point of view.

    “Because, essentially, if we look at history, Crimea was in Russian hands for a long time,” he added.

    The president's statement was met with criticism in both Poland and Ukraine.

    Crimea became a Russian region in March 2014 following a referendum held after the coup in Ukraine. 96.77 percent of voters in the Republic of Crimea and 95.6 percent of residents of Sevastopol were in favor of reunification with Russia. Ukraine considers the peninsula its own, but temporarily occupied territory. Moscow has repeatedly stated that the residents of Crimea made the decision democratically, in full compliance with international law and the UN Charter. According to Vladimir Putin, there are no circumstances under which Crimea could return to Ukraine “and there never will be".

    https://ria.ru/20240203/krym-1925196519.html

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:05 pm




    Not the whole story.


    Indeed Duda said this, but aside from that the speech he gave was very pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian.

    You can read more details about what he said here:

    https://wydarzenia.interia.pl/raport-ukraina-rosja/news-prezydent-wyjasnia-slowa-o-krymie-moje-stanowisko-jest-jedno,nId,7309890



    He looks self-contradictory and confused.




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    Post  Kiko Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:15 pm

    Tell Duda to relax, calm down and think for a while.
    He's confused by the suddenness of the news and is momentarily being criticized by some of his own compatriots.

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    Post  Hole Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:40 pm

    Crimea was in Russian hands for a long time,
    Since 1783

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:21 pm

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:11 am

    Hole wrote:
    Since 1783

    Oh no, how that can be only 7 years shorter than US independence from the royal crown of England rule??!!

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:22 am

    https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2024/02/01/destroyed-ukraine-is-testing-ground-for-the-military-industrial-complex/ https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2024/01/31/keep-giving-scores-of-billions-to-ukraine-because-taiwan/

    The top Ukr. leadership is now fighting for power & to save their own skins.
    For those who don't know Russian, press transcript button to get the translation:
    https://youtu.be/IpZMKeoIAA0

    He's worth listening to for insider news, IMO.


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    Post  franco Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:09 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Since 1783

    Oh no, how that can be only 7 years shorter than US independence from the royal crown of England rule??!!

    Actually they declared Independence but didn't win it until 1783 so same same... my family history as most of the original English speaking Canadians were refugees from the good old US of A.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:26 am



    Ukraine Distracts from Multiplying Catastrophes + Why US Analysts Get Ukraine Wrong.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:10 am

    The State Duma called Duda's words about Crimea a shock for Kyiv, 02.04.2024.

    State Duma deputy Belik called Duda’s words about Crimea a shock for Kyiv.

    SIMFEROPOL, February 4 – RIA Novosti. State Duma deputy from Sevastopol, member of the International Affairs Committee Dmitry Belik said that Polish President Andrzej Duda shocked the Ukrainian authorities with his statement about the historical identity of Crimea.

    Earlier, Polish President Andrzej Duda, in an interview for the Kanal Zero program, admitted that Crimea historically belonged to Russia, and added that he does not know whether Ukraine will be able to return the peninsula under its control.

    “The President of Poland pulled the rug out from under the feet of his Ukrainian colleague Zelensky with a statement about the status of Crimea. For the Kyiv regime, this is, without a doubt, a shock. They certainly did not expect such a political demarche from Poland,” Belik told RIA Novosti.

    According to him, the statement by the Polish President about the peninsula is of great importance for the entire Western world.

    “It’s no secret that in Europe Poland is a conductor of American interests and the most ardent Russophobe in its politics. The statement that Crimea will not return back to Ukraine will make many think: is it worth tearing their shirts and sending money to Ukraine carriages so that they would be wasted aimlessly on trying to return something that no one believes in, not even Poland,” the deputy said.

    Crimea became a Russian region in March 2014 following a referendum after the coup in Ukraine. In the referendum, 96.77% of voters in Crimea and 95.6% in Sevastopol were in favor of joining Russia . Ukraine still considers Crimea its temporarily occupied territory, and Western countries support Kyiv on this issue. The Russian leadership has repeatedly stated that the residents of Crimea voted for reunification with Russia through democratic means, in full compliance with international law and the UN Charter . According to Russian President Vladimir Putin , the Crimea issue is “finally closed.”

    https://ria.ru/20240204/duda-1925281801.html

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:16 am

    Hole wrote:
    Crimea was in Russian hands for a long time,
    Since 1783

    As an ex-Brit Aussie, this is 13 years after captain Cook first landed on our east coast (1770), but 5 years before Britain founded the first colony in Sydney (1788).

    Anyone in this country who thinks Crimea isn't justifiably Russian is a fcking idiot Razz

    (Full disclosure: we have a LOT of fcking idiots in this country)

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:20 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://youtu.be/IpZMKeoIAA0

    He's worth listening to for insider news, IMO.

    Pfftt.. he's a scumbag pro-regime clown. He'll cheer loudly when any Russians die, so why would I give a flying fck what he thinks or says? Suspect

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:43 am

    How on earth did this not get censored into oblivion?

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:54 am

    These are 2.75" rockets. Probably cheaper to transport to Ukraine than disposing of them is what I think that politician meant to say. Laughing


    CBC: Ottawa plans to transfer to Kiev CRV7 air-to-surface missiles of Canadian design from the early 1970s, which were planned to be disposed of

    The Canadian Ministry of Defense has 83.3 thousand of these missiles, some of which are without warheads. These missiles have been withdrawn from service since the early 2000s.

    The issue of their transfer to Kiev is now being considered. The leader of the opposition Conservative Party of Canada, Pierre Poilievre, also demanded that these ammunition be sent to Ukraine. According to him, it is better to give them to Kiev than to dispose of them.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:56 am

    JohninMK wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53 - Page 7 GFSxHrZbkAAtCYA?format=jpg&name=medium

    These NATOstani arse lickers are hilarious.

    Saratov was refloated.
    Minsk is being repaired.
    Rostov-on-Don is being repaired.
    Askold is being repaired.

    Their other claims are a mix of fact and assertion, but the Ukies lie so often its hard to accept anything they or their Western fluffers have to say.

    Hard to take these faggots seriously when they need to lie to pad their numbers....  it must be terrible to have a bruised ego and an inability to face harsh facts like Russia taking their nazi proxy to the cleaners and NATO facing a strategic defeat straight in the face Twisted Evil

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:00 pm

    (Full disclosure: we have a LOT of fcking idiots in this country)

    And some amazing people too...

    How on earth did this not get censored into oblivion?

    You mean how did Biden let this video survive and who is posting this now...

    It seems alternative views... more honest views are escaping into the public... not that the Polish guy isn't anti Russia scum, but the fact that he admits Crimea is Russian now means they are coming to face reality a bit more and realise they need to start talking about it or the reality shock for the western public is going to be a real shock.

    Funny they say Crimea has been Russian since 2014 but don't mention it was only technically Ukrainian from the 1950s when Kruschev overstepped his authority and "donated" it to them. Most of the rest of the time over the last few hundred years it was part of the Russian empire...

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:04 pm

    The "he did not me" accusations rumble on.

    To me it stinks of CIA/MI6 type dirty tricks. Anyone who mattered in the military and Government knew about the transfer but someone put the boot in. I wonder is the actual result was what was planned for?

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    Zelensky wants to frame Zaluzhny by accusing him of the Il-76 crash

    The entourage of Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky wants to place all the blame for the crash of the Il-76 with captured Ukrainians on the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny. The Serbian newspaper Politika reports this.

    📝 “Zelensky and the personnel around him want to avoid responsibility for the crash of the Il-76. They want to place the blame for the tragic misunderstanding on Zaluzhny, demanding an international investigation into the disaster,” the material says.

    🔹 Politika reports that Zelensky and the country's top leadership probably did not know that there were Ukrainians on board the plane. By shooting down the Il-76, the head of the country wanted to raise the morale of his military, but the effect turned out to be the opposite. / FRWL reports

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:07 pm

    These are 2.75" rockets. Probably cheaper to transport to Ukraine than disposing of them is what I think that politician meant to say.

    Would not be much use for their original purpose, but as a simple cheap vehicle mounted short range artillery rocket they would probably be quite useful.

    Essentially they are the same as the 80mm rockets Russian helicopters and CAS aircraft use to loft towards enemy positions to scatter HE and fragments around an area quickly and easily and cheaply... they all land together so they would be hard to dodge, and offer decent sized bombs that cover a good area with fragments.

    Of course being rather old they might just blow up in your face...
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:10 pm

    The "he did not me" accusations rumble on.

    For all we know Zelensky ordered this personally and the negative backlash means he wants a scapegoat and what better scapegoat is his main potential political rival that some have accused of talking with western countries about possible terms for surrender.

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:12 pm

    Until the Canadian missiles/rockets arrive, Russia will deliver a bunch of missiles to Banderaland. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Kiko Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:25 pm

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces received data from the West to fire at the downed Il-76, by Denis Telmanov for VZGLYAD. 02.04.2024.

    To fire at the Il-76 military transport aircraft shot down by the Patriot air defense system in the Belgorod region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received data from the West.

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces received data for the Patriot air defense system, from which the Russian Il-76 military transport aircraft was shot down in the Belgorod region, through the Western Link-16 system, said military analyst and air defense systems specialist Alexey Leonkov.

    “Information about the target was received at the complex’s control center via the Link-16 data transmission system. Therefore, the complex itself was not detected before launch, since it did not emit probing signals,” Leonkov told RIA Novosti .

    He added that the Patriot air defense system used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which launched two missiles at the Russian Il-76, operated without a detection radar.

    The use of Link-16 indicates that the operation to destroy a Russian plane with Ukrainian prisoners was planned by the Western side.

    Previously, the French military agreed that the Il-76 was shot down by a Patriot air defense system. The air defense system remained undetected and turned on the radar “long enough to shoot down” the Il-76, a source told The Associated Press.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/2/4/1251776.html

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:48 pm

    Kiko wrote:Western Ukraine should be partitioned between Hungary, Romania & Poland.
    No, and It has already been discussed.

    3 possibilities:
    • Russia proper
    • Russia protectorate (à la Puerto Rico)
    • Empty demilitarised zone (no men's land)

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:40 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    These NATOstani arse lickers are hilarious.

    Let's begin with the fact, that the Moskva case is not resolved.
    If hit by Neptunes, that would have been one of the strangest actions in this war.
    Ukrs staging false flag materials to achieve any attention would never pass by sinking of a fleet flagman.
    But suddenly they did, and we lacked any documentation.
    Both Osa systems were hidden under a deck, suggesting that no attack was being repelled.

    Aside of this, we have an orchestrated campaign in the western shitstream that presents some insane visions of Ukro naval victory and "decimating Black Sea Fleet". There is some crap story every single day here, some of them being so dumb that my teeth pain.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:54 pm

    [b>The Sejm of Poland supported Duda's words about the historically Russian Crimea[/b], 02.04.2024.

    The Polish Sejm agreed that Crimea belonged to Russia longer than to Ukraine.

    WARSAW, February 4 – RIA Novosti. Vice Speaker of the Polish Sejm Krzysztof Bosak agreed with President Andrzej Duda on the Polsat TV channel that Crimea belonged to Russia longer than to Ukraine.

    The day before, Duda, in an interview for the Kanal Zero program, admitted that Crimea historically belonged to Russia and that the Kiev regime is unlikely to return it under its control.

    “The president told the truth. There are attempts to impose pro-Ukrainian political correctness in Poland, but we are not here to repeat the line of Ukrainian diplomacy,” Bosak said.

    According to him, if Ukraine wants political correctness on the part of Poland, it must take reciprocal steps.

    “If Ukraine wants this to be so, it should encourage us to do this, but this is not visible. We have an unresolved issue of conflict over the capture of the cargo transportation market, an unresolved issue of conflict over the flow of agricultural goods from Ukraine, we have unresolved historical issues, and we must discipline each other and prove that Crimea is more Ukrainian than Russian? This is strange for me,” the vice speaker added.

    Duda's words about Crimea caused a resonance in Poland. The president was hit with a wave of criticism, after which he published a post on the social network X, in which he confirmed the “unequivocal” position of Warsaw , which does not recognize the Russian affiliation of the peninsula.

    Crimea became a Russian region in March 2014 following a referendum held after the coup in Ukraine. 96.77 percent of voters in the Republic of Crimea and 95.6 percent of residents of Sevastopol were in favor of reunification with Russia . Ukraine considers the peninsula its own, but temporarily occupied territory. Moscow has repeatedly stated that the residents of Crimea made the decision democratically, in full compliance with international law and the UN Charter . According to Vladimir Putin , there are no circumstances under which Crimea could return to Ukraine “and there never will be.”

    https://ria.ru/20240204/krym-1925340120.html

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:15 pm

    About Krynki

    The situation in Krynki is critical for the Ukrainian side. There is evidence that the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in killed and wounded here for the entire period of this strange operation are estimated at 4 to 7 thousand military personnel. There are now only several dozen living and combat-ready soldiers there. Those who are prepared and motivated are finished, now they send what they have. Hence the prisoners and deserters.

    Despite huge losses, the Ukrainian command continues to send marines, territorial defense fighters and mobilized soldiers to the left bank of the Dnieper. And the Russian army regularly suppresses attempts to rotate and land new troops near Krynki, inflicting losses on the enemy.

    There is also information from the Ukrainian side that, out of despair, the Kiev regime decided to financially support the “suicide landing troops” and promised them large bonuses for “holding and expanding” the so-called bridgehead.

    But financial incentives have had little effect on the increase in volunteers getting a one-way ticket. There are also cases of sabotage of command orders in this direction. The intent behind the Krynki massacre remains a mystery.

    by @sashakots

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