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    Post  Backman Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:04 am

    diabetus wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:West ‘moving towards war’ in space – Roscosmos chief



    That's a big problem

    It's a shame similar companies didn't really take off in Russia.

    All of the US companies involved in space are unprofitable billionaire pet projects or pyramid funding schemes like spacex. It's nothing to emulate.

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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:10 am

    Backman wrote:
    diabetus wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:West ‘moving towards war’ in space – Roscosmos chief



    That's a big problem

    It's a shame similar companies didn't really take off in Russia.

    All of the US companies involved in space are unprofitable billionaire pet projects or pyramid funding schemes like spacex. It's nothing to emulate.

    SpaceX has a real projects and real rockets with plenty of contracts with US government and NASA. The company value is overestimated because of dumbasses following Musk on twitter but it's not an empty company.

    However plenty of other companies are totally empty and no one really understand where the money comes from.
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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:14 am

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    Isos wrote:Ground based harpoons already exists and were given to Ukraine. US however doesn't use it.

    Harpoon doesn't any capability over Neptune but it add numbers. Neptune were available in very few numbers. Harpoon will be available in more numbers. Even 10 will be enough to sink a good amount of unprotected ships.

    They way Russian Navy uses it's surface fleet every single warship qualifies as unprotected ship




    Only Grigorovitch have a chance to survive there. Rest of ships have no real protections against drones and missiles.

    But frankly Russia was dumb to stick with that useless island. Like I said from the begining, they should have put mines on it and in waters around it. If someone lands there they can just send a couple of su-34 to bomb them.

    They are free targets for ukrainians in the western black sea. They should focus on finding targets in Odessa rather than spending efforts on the island.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:20 am

    https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/9611

    Russian drone cam footage , I think this is BPLA from Kalashnikov concern

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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:34 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/9611

    Russian drone cam footage , I think this is BPLA from Kalashnikov concern


    Kh-29 with TV guidance.

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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:39 am

    Isos wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/9611

    Russian drone cam footage , I think this is BPLA from Kalashnikov concern


    Kh-29 with TV guidance.
    Actually it could be another missile like this one :

    https://mobile.twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/1538490060261183489



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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:47 am

    There's BPLA in the top left corner which stands for Bespilotnie or drone

    I don't think this is a missile, but a suicide drone system

    The camera explicitly says BPLA

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:56 am

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Ground based harpoons already exists and were given to Ukraine. US however doesn't use it.

    Harpoon doesn't any capability over Neptune but it add numbers. Neptune were available in very few numbers. Harpoon will be available in more numbers. Even 10 will be enough to sink a good amount of unprotected ships.

    They way Russian Navy uses it's surface fleet every single warship qualifies as unprotected ship




    Only Grigorovitch have a chance to survive there. Rest of ships have no real protections against drones and missiles.

    But frankly Russia was dumb to stick with that useless island. Like I said from the begining, they should have put mines on it and in waters around it. If someone lands there  they can just send a couple of su-34 to bomb them.

    They are free targets for ukrainians in the western black sea. They should focus on finding targets in Odessa rather than spending efforts on the island.

    That's why I have been writing the Buyanm class with TOR for a long time, before this operation. These ships are what NATO does with its frigates with the straps. Fleet protection!

    Two or three of these ships with 16x TOR and 2xAK630 offer almost 100% protection. We see it at the air force base in Syria, we see it in this conflict. Yes, TOR is expensive to buy but reliably save! The rockets, on the other hand, are cheap but 100% killers. PanzirM has also been actively overwhelmed. Ships are still expensive and therefore you need the best protection! Even small ships!
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:06 pm

    Isos wrote:...Only Grigorovitch have a chance to survive there. Rest of ships have no real protections against drones and missiles.

    But frankly Russia was dumb to stick with that useless island. Like I said from the begining, they should have put mines on it and in waters around it. If someone lands there they can just send a couple of su-34 to bomb them.

    They are free targets for ukrainians in the western black sea. They should focus on finding targets in Odessa rather than spending efforts on the island.

    Ship procurement for Black Sea and fleet composition has been abysmal but they could have still offset it by using it properly

    They didn't

    Those ships should have kept reasonable distance and not move anywhere without cover from coastal aviation, especially offshore patrol vessels which have no business being alone in the warzone

    Instead they just sent ships into the enemy fire range and hoped for the best

    Best didn't materialize






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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:16 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:There's BPLA in the top left corner which stands for Bespilotnie or drone

    I don't think this is a missile, but a suicide drone system

    The camera explicitly says BPLA

    Suicide drone can't attack building from the top... it's a missile. BPLA could mean something else. Actually bespilotnie means without pilot which a missile is.

    Those ships should have kept reasonable distance and not move anywhere without cover from coastal aviation, especially offshore patrol vessels which have no business being alone in the warzone

    Instead they just sent ships into the enemy fire range and hoped for the best

    And they don't seem to be acting over Odessa region with their air force where valuable targets are. Kalibr strikes have their limits.


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    Post  Scorpius Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:58 pm

    Isos wrote:
    SpaceX has a real projects and real rockets with plenty of contracts with US government and NASA. The company value is overestimated because of dumbasses following Musk on twitter but it's not an empty company.


    From 1970 to 1990, the USSR annually produced more than 95 space launches. There was no need for any technology, neon interfaces and fashion designers. Do you seriously want to say that SpaceX can be compared with the USSR space complex, as it was 50 years ago?

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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:03 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    SpaceX has a real projects and real rockets with plenty of contracts with US government and NASA. The company value is overestimated because of dumbasses following Musk on twitter but it's not an empty company.


    From 1970 to 1990, the USSR annually produced more than 95 space launches. There was no need for any technology, neon interfaces and fashion designers. Do you seriously want to say that SpaceX can be compared with the USSR space complex, as it was 50 years ago?

    No I'm saying they are producing rockets that flies and have contracts with the government so it's not an empty company.

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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:04 pm

    Mistake. Sorry


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    Post  Scorpius Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:04 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:...Only Grigorovitch have a chance to survive there. Rest of ships have no real protections against drones and missiles.

    But frankly Russia was dumb to stick with that useless island. Like I said from the begining, they should have put mines on it and in waters around it. If someone lands there  they can just send a couple of su-34 to bomb them.

    They are free targets for ukrainians in the western black sea. They should focus on finding targets in Odessa rather than spending efforts on the island.

    Ship procurement for Black Sea and fleet composition has been abysmal but they could have still offset it by using it properly

    They didn't

    Those ships should have kept reasonable distance and not move anywhere without cover from coastal aviation, especially offshore patrol vessels which have no business being alone in the warzone

    Instead they just sent ships into the enemy fire range and hoped for the best

    Best didn't materialize


    Strictly speaking, the tasks of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in the conflict in Ukraine is not to have 0 damage, but to inflict maximum damage to the enemy's military infrastructure. To understand the effectiveness of actions, we must have real figures of the damage inflicted and correlate them with the damage received. Some observations definitely tell me that the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation currently has a damage-to-damage ratio of about 50:1 in its favor. I'm not saying that this is an ideal result, but in my unprofessional opinion it is close to sufficient.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:20 pm

    Isos wrote:
    But frankly Russia was dumb to stick with that useless island. Like I said from the begining, they should have put mines on it and in waters around it. If someone lands there  they can just send a couple of su-34 to bomb them.

    They are free targets for ukrainians in the western black sea. They should focus on finding targets in Odessa rather than spending efforts on the island.

    Think of it more as preventing Romania from seizing the island.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:These are the only ones that matter, destroying equipment officers is pointless because they will immediately be replaced

    Killing personnel in maximum possible numbers is the only path towards victory and achieving long term peace afterwards

    Everything counts, because in 404 the supply of heavy equipment and talented officers in the required quantities is more restricted (and easier to hit) than that of cannon fodder, but of course every nazi or nazi-tolerant ukie are due for being processed and Russians are not sparing them anymore. Attrition needs to hit everywhere, logistics, command, personnel, spares, ammo, fuel etc etc., after some time any fighting force simply decomposes and is not able to act in a coordinate way any more, like the recent friendly fire fuckups disclosed recently show.

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:50 pm

    Over 50 high-ranking officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed by the strike of the Caliber missile launcher on the command post of the Alexandria group of forces
    https://topwar.ru/197963-svyshe-50-vysokopostavlennyh-oficerov-vsu-unichtozheny-udarom-kr-kalibr-po-punktu-upravlenija-gruppirovki-vojsk-aleksandrija.html

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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:17 pm

    Isos wrote:
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    Isos wrote:
    SpaceX has a real projects and real rockets with plenty of contracts with US government and NASA. The company value is overestimated because of dumbasses following Musk on twitter but it's not an empty company.


    From 1970 to 1990, the USSR annually produced more than 95 space launches. There was no need for any technology, neon interfaces and fashion designers. Do you seriously want to say that SpaceX can be compared with the USSR space complex, as it was 50 years ago?

    No I'm saying they are producing rockets that flies and have contracts with the government so it's not an empty company.

    It´s not a real company. It´s a division of NASA sourced out. In that way the "private" company gets all the money needed from the politicans while NASA always had to fight with some politicians that wanted to stop their funding.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:19 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:There's BPLA in the top left corner which stands for Bespilotnie or drone

    I don't think this is a missile, but a suicide drone system

    The camera explicitly says BPLA

    Suicide drone can't attack building from the top... it's a missile. BPLA could mean something else. Actually bespilotnie means without pilot which a missile is.

    Those ships should have kept reasonable distance and not move anywhere without cover from coastal aviation, especially offshore patrol vessels which have no business being alone in the warzone

    Instead they just sent ships into the enemy fire range and hoped for the best

    And they don't seem to be acting over Odessa region with their air force where valuable targets are. Kalibr strikes have their limits.

    https://southfront.org/in-video-russian-mi-28nm-attack-helicopter-targets-depots-of-kiev-forces-with-loitering-munitions/

    AS-UAC is a data link system for loitering ammo and recon drones.

    Why should a suicide drone not be able to attack in a steep dive?

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:22 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    These are the only ones that matter, destroying equipment officers is pointless because they will immediately be replaced

    "immediately" seems a bit strong.

    Maybe replaced over time but given that Ukie Brigadier's comments on losses, on tanks alone they are down a net 400 or so assuming all the NATO supplied items actually made it to the destruction point of their predecessors. As to officers, they don't grow on trees.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:25 pm

    Belisarius wrote:Over 50 high-ranking officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed by the strike of the Caliber missile launcher on the command post of the Alexandria group of forces
    https://topwar.ru/197963-svyshe-50-vysokopostavlennyh-oficerov-vsu-unichtozheny-udarom-kr-kalibr-po-punktu-upravlenija-gruppirovki-vojsk-aleksandrija.html

    Keep up Laughing More on this event from Hinex 988's post 985 above. 6 hours ago.


    💥At 12.30 PM, Kalibr high-precision long-distance sea-based missiles were launched at a command post of the Ukrainian troops near the village of Shirokaya Dacha (Dnepropetrovsk region) at the moment when there was being held a working meeting of the commanders of Aleksandriya operational-strategic group.

    ▫The attack has resulted in eliminating more than 50 generals and officers of the AFU, including those of the General Staff, the Kakhovka group, airborne assault troops and units that operate towards Nikolayev and Zaporozhye.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:11 pm

    https://t.me/swodki/119695?single

    So the AS UAS system is a drone control system, and it was used to guide Izd. 305

    So it says BPLA because it is a system designed for drones and loitering munitions, but interfaced with the new missile

    This was apparently mi28 guided

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    The AS-UAS complex allows you to communicate with drones at a distance of up to 50 km and has a bandwidth of 5.4 Mbit/s.


    The Product 305 missile has a range of 14 km and is designed to equip the latest Mi-28NM and Ka-52M helicopters.

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    I count 15 here.

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