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    Post  0nillie0 Tue May 23, 2023 9:09 pm


    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    They don't really like French people and their economy is so shitty they better not angry the USA.



    I heard a while ago that in France people often make fun of Belgium and its inhabitants. Can anyone confirm it?  Question


    The French atleast had some spine and industry to speak of, both of which are turning into jelly as we speak, as France becomes Americas next Sex Slave at an alarmingly fast rate (offcourse Germany is currently the main b1tch). But that is a discussion for another topic.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Tue May 23, 2023 9:13 pm



    France is recently reasserting its independence.

    For a while they looked like they were becoming a dependency of Germany.





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    Post  ALAMO Tue May 23, 2023 9:19 pm

    New post stamp is on the horizon folks.

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    It is Peremoga v. XXX.

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    Post  Isos Tue May 23, 2023 9:20 pm

    You are right about the jokes. French see the belgians as their dumb cousins but there isn't any hate in that.

    Belgium however has one big part that refuse to speak french and hate their french roots.

    Economically speaking, Belgium is not attractive and they must keep the few they have. I guess nato bases bring lot of money in the country and they can't disobey US orders.

    France doesn't really have any leverage and isn't important like the US.

    And finally belgium us really dependant on Russian diamond industry. That's why behind the doors they aren't really pushing for sanctions or trying to increase support to Ukraine. They are quite good "enemies" gor Russia if we can say.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Tue May 23, 2023 9:25 pm



    Flemish are not really of French origin, some count them as "southern Dutch."


    Belgium is a bi-national country, like Czechoslovakia. love


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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 23, 2023 9:28 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:@WarMonitors

    AFU Losses so far as a result of the capturing of Belgorod villages:

    - 2 American armored vehicles M1224 MaxxPro (both captured)
    - 2 American armored vehicles HMMWV M1151A1 (both damaged and abandoned)
    - 1 American cargo armored car HMMWV M1152A1 (destroyed)
    - 1 Ukrainian armored car KRAZ COBRA (destroyed)
    - 1 Polish armored car AMZ Dzik-2 (destroyed)

    https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1661065269282848783

    Notice that these are all light, fast, road-mobile vehicles. No tanks or IFVs here.

    What these shriekers on this forum and no doubt other places are talking about in terms of some kind of 'buffer zone' of 50-100km where everything is observed and fired upon to prevent Ukrainian raids is exposed as all the more ridiculous.
    It would have taken about an hour for this convoy to get from a depth of 50-100km inside Ukrainian territory, to the border checkpoint, no more. You won't have real-time data on them, or real-time satellite observation - this isn't C&C: Generals. You'll have a fog of war. And any UAVs you have patrolling over that airspace will be nothing more than pinpricks; even if they're restricted to just observing roads, you'll have to get lucky to spot the Ukrainian raiding party on its way to Russia. Even if you do spot them, they're traveling fast - what will you target them with along the way? The most you can do is meet them at the border checkpoint, if you're very prompt about things.

    And of course the other proposal of actually moving in hundreds of thousands of Russian troops to establish a new defensive line 50-100km into the Ukraine would be stupidity of the highest order, and would open up the troops for far more attacks than any such 1-day suicide raid on a border village can possibly accomplish.

    If it comes down to it, it's far easier to just evacuate the residents of Russian border villages and towns. But if the current attack is the best Kiev can do, then I don't even see that as neccessary.


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    Post  Hole Tue May 23, 2023 9:33 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43 - Page 14 Scree706
    They put that "For Bakhmut" shit on everything.
    The people behind that "attack" watched to much "Life of Brian". lol1
    Suicide squad!
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue May 23, 2023 9:43 pm

    There was some ideas presented by those who prepared Zaporozhye defenses

    Not only drones, but guard posts at high elevation (a fucking pole with a camera) along the border with IR cameras, and regular cameras, which is also being monitored by border guards stationed along the border at the checkpoints and with rapid reaction protocols which are more stringent than "edelweiss"

    The idea here is to be proactive, not to be a passive incompetent moron like Russians defer to when it comes to anything that ever happens that is chalked up to "bad luck" or "shit happening"

    From ship fires, to regular maintenance on aircraft, to monitoring the border and Kremlin buildings or any strategic infrastructure

    Laziness cannot become the status quo, if Putin is serious about changing the country, it requires everyone to take part in this change - stop the lazy bullshit and put into place some proper contingency and planning

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    Post  ALAMO Tue May 23, 2023 9:45 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Notice that these are all light, fast, road-mobile vehicles. No tanks or IFVs here.

    What these shriekers on this forum and no doubt other places are talking about in terms of some kind of 'buffer zone' of 50-100km where everything is observed and fired upon to prevent Ukrainian raids is exposed as all the more ridiculous.
    It would have taken about an hour for this convoy to get from a depth of 50-100km inside Ukrainian territory, to the border checkpoint, no more. You won't have real-time data on them, or real-time satellite observation - this isn't C&C: Generals. You'll have a fog of war. And any UAVs you have patrolling over that airspace will be nothing more than pinpricks; you'll have to get very lucky to spot the Ukrainian raiding party on its way to Russia. Even if you do spot them, they're traveling fast - what will you target them with along the way? The most you can do is meet them at the border checkpoint, if you're very prompt about things.

    There is no point in cleaning this things, as the opposite side is too dumb to understand that.
    They really witness a Murica printer masquerading for a country as a benchmark, missing that thousands of illegals are crossing its borders each fukin' day.
    Carrying drugs as a secondary job.

    Most of the morons stupid enough to penetrate the Russian border are dead cold now.

    The catch is, that Russkie had lots of operational data about them long before the actual intrusion.
    Made public.
    I guess they have just awaited them.
    Lets be serious.
    They have just lost a hundred men - living and breathing - in 12h, for .... nothing.
    There was not a single tactical goal to achieve.
    Not a single tank station to be blown up.
    Preparing this kind of absurd operation is so much British, that I almost smell the 5'oclock tea in the background.

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    Post  Hole Tue May 23, 2023 10:09 pm

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    Post  Isos Tue May 23, 2023 10:30 pm

    Probably one goal is to distract the russian army and try to make them move their forces toward north east because right now counter offensive can't work. Russian forces to powerful and numerous.

    On the other side nato is pusging for the human wave.

    Ukro came up with that dumb and desperate idea because they know they are dead if they go all in against russian defensive positions.

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    Post  Backman Tue May 23, 2023 10:55 pm

    Our man Lapin again Very Happy  He ain't f'ing around. .33 into the first video , I assume that means hurry up in Russian

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    Post  Backman Tue May 23, 2023 11:00 pm

    AFU Losses so far as a result of the capturing of Belgorod villages:

    This is what I mean about Wargonzo and Rybar et al. Why the **** would you phrase it like that? You are saying that they actually did capture villages. Even if that was true which it isn't , dont phrase it like that.

    AFU losses so far as the result of publicity stunt in Belgorod villages:

    ^Thats better. This stuff matters.

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    Post  Regular Tue May 23, 2023 11:34 pm

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    Our man Lapin again Very Happy  He ain't f'ing around. .33 into the first video , I assume that means hurry up in Russian “
    Not really. He ordered them how to move, from corner to move in a column, in 2-3 people groups and advance ahead etc. He says parni vperyod. Guys, forward. Za rodinu. “Forward forwar forward” I think in other vid you see IFV move closer for overwatch. Funny thing, Ukrainians claimed BMP-3s being destroyed, but there was no sign of them 

    Interesting first video, at around 40 second - heavy fire team moving right flank, PKP, RPK, assistant, RPG. 



    It’s clear that Russia will eventually be forced to increase observation and strengthen their border guards as they are primary target during incursions. Not only to prevent death of servicemen, but reduce the chaos, disruption and terror caused. Russia did this in the past, during ISIS crisis and like they were reinforced in Caucasus in 90s and 00s against militants and smugglers and they will do the same.

    It will not change much on the frontlines, but Ukrainians are desperate to cause any damage and claim victory, just like chechens were with their intrusions. Only thing I can think of would be VKS rotary wing being used to deal with this, like in 2000s both FSB and then VVS where using Mi-8s to support then really militarised pogranichiki. FSB uses Mi-8MNP-2 and older viarants and they would be very useful here, Ka-52, Mi-28 we seen - bit overkill. Russia don’t use Mi-24 as much as precise weaponry is being used. Instead of collecting dust, they could be moved up. We will see.

    And for Ukraine, they will keep sending nazis, crazies, bulbashi and other kamikazes with pickups and  hummers to their death forcing Russian hand. There is no shortage of these and more second hand vehicles are flooding Ukraine. They are literally playing Isis vs Syrian army. (I guess, same leadership)
    Light troops melt against conventional military, look what happened to Kraken in Bakhmut and shitloads of mraps that can’t be maintained in Ukraine have to be used somewhere.  Preferably where there are decent road network.

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    Post  Erk Wed May 24, 2023 1:06 am

    There is something wrong with people that like photos of dead bodies lined up.

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    Post  kvs Wed May 24, 2023 1:52 am

    A good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 24, 2023 2:19 am

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43 - Page 14 Scree706
    They put that "For Bakhmut" shit on everything.
    The people behind that "attack" watched to much "Life of Brian". lol1
    Suicide squad!
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    Did you hear? The US is going to supply Ukraine with cocoanuts so they will have a cavalry force

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    Post  Krepost Wed May 24, 2023 3:32 am

    AFU vehicle Losses as a result of the failed operation in the Belgorod region border:

    - 2 American armored vehicles M1224 MaxxPro (both captured)
    - 2 American armored vehicles HMMWV M1151A1 (both damaged and abandoned)
    - 1 American cargo armored car HMMWV M1152A1 (destroyed)
    - 1 Ukrainian armored car KRAZ COBRA (destroyed)
    - 1 Polish armored car AMZ Dzik-2 (destroyed)
    - 1 pickup truck (destroyed)
    - 1 small SUV (destroyed)



    This Ukrainian DRG operation achieved to get our usual Zeig-Heilers, doom-and-gloomers, chicken littles, drama-queens and other cockroaches come out of their crevices and pollute a couple of pages on this thread.

    P.S. The Russian MoD briefing (Konashenkov) mentioned the destruction of 9 AFU vehicles. Photos have proved the claim. 100% credibility.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 24, 2023 4:23 am

    Erk wrote:There is something wrong with people that like photos of dead bodies lined up.

    When someone brags about something I expect proof no matter what that something is





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    Post  Godric Wed May 24, 2023 4:39 am

    Dmitry Medvedev calls them for what they are "Rat Bast*rds", i'm starting to like his change of attitude

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    Post  mnztr Wed May 24, 2023 6:28 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:

    France is recently reasserting its independence.

    For a while they looked like they were becoming a dependency of Germany.






    I don't buy it. Macron is famous for his superbly tailored suits and empty words.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 24, 2023 6:34 am

    Different way to load a truck

    Excellent example of how the Orcs are moving military equipment around and why they want civilians to stay near the front line... they are not just meat shields, but are also there to create a demand for trucks and transport of goods and materials within which the military can hide their support.

    I am surprised they were this stupid though because all it would take would be a tarp sheet of plastic to cover the rear of this and there would be no way of telling this truck moving armour for the Kiev military and the same truck moving food or clothing or anything else for the civilian population.

    The border should be protected, and the case for bigger drones with better optics and better targeting is made

    The Russian border is enormous... if you sew up one part nice and tight they will just attack from a different direction or pick the next weakest angle to attack.

    These attacks on Russian soil still remind me more of chechen insurgent raids on Nalchik, but with some MRAPs

    That is probably the impression they were trying to make but it seems the current standard of Orc soldier is not amazingly high...

    Reports are that there are still some fighting and some rumours have it that UA inserted more DRGs too. I guess they have too much vehicles and manpower

    Keep using them up in these suicide charges and they wont have lots of vehicles and men for a lot longer.

    Which is fine by me of course.

    From UA point of view, these raids make perfect sense.

    They lost quite a few trained soldiers for the result of 6 injured civilians... lots of men and fuel and ammo and light vehicles for territory they will not even hold... this is a ridiculous joke... there are members here demanding Putin step down and the military planners are incompetent, yet the brains of HATO and the entire west came up with this plan and no one mentions a thing.... breathtaking double standards.

    Russian will have to strengthen their garrison and reinforce border-guards, maybe even employ more UAVs to monitor the vast border.

    Flying over friendly airspace larger drones are much safer and more efficient at monitoring the ground but even then you could just split up a 100 man force into 30 small groups that cross and move around in single civilian vehicles and then group together where you want to attack... the fact that they attacked at the border suggests they were not confident of crossing a lot of checkpoints and so didn't bother trying to go too deep into Russian territory... which is good news that these chicken littles are ignoring.

    More of this to come until Russians will respond with cauterisation

    More of this and the Russians might decide that those commanding these forces are actually dangerous instead of just incompetent and some of the high power hierarchy need to be eliminated and oligarchs resources eliminated too to take away their power because they are clearly not interested in the people of the Ukraine.

    Its a shortsighted decision based only on greed.

    They are not looking for solutions and deescalation.. the cow has too much milk to just walk away... and western taxpayers have learned to be sheep and do and think what they are told by the rich and powerful through the media they own and control.

    But then Syrians and Libyans and Iraqis and Iranians and North Koreans and Cubans and Vietnamese and Malaysians and many other people have suffered for the wests greater good morality and values... and oil and the US dollar.

    Just wait for 6th gen American, then you'll have to spend for both F-something and his buddy UCAVs.

    Why wait when you can relabel... if they put F-16s and F-15s back into production then they become 5+ gen so then F-35 becomes 6 generation and some future project which will likely be a flying wing without a tail will be 7th gen... that no one can afford...

    I don't know where I saw this but someone said something not dumb.

    US goal right now is to oblige Russia to use its modern missiles to dicrease their stocks.

    That would be fantastic because Russia produces weapons and aircraft and drones for itself and it can make weapons faster than the Ukraine can make people.

    The sole purpose of this attack is to divert focus from the Berkhmut disaster.

    Which is great tactics because this new disaster will make stupid westerners forget about the much bigger disaster that Artyomovsk ended up being for Kiev because westerners have the memory span of a goldfish.

    By the way, this was not an attack, it was a suicide mission. Traffickers from Rio's hills and Mexican cartels would do better.

    Very true.

    The idea here is to be proactive, not to be a passive incompetent moron like Russians defer to when it comes to anything that ever happens that is chalked up to "bad luck" or "shit happening"

    The problem is that putting a police officer in everyones house will not eliminate crime... the criminals will simply find some way around it and of course the cost of putting a police officer in everyones house will destroy your budget and take men away from useful work to sit on their arses watching screens of empty roads and fields when they could be better used looking for orcs in the battlefield.

    If border security was really a problem these orcs would have taken Bradleys and Challengers and would have attacked significant targets deep in Russian territory, but the fact of the matter is that they could even make it very far into Russian territory before they were spotted and dealt to.

    I would say minor upgrades in existing defences so such attacks are detected early and a mobile force perhaps helicopter based to hunt down and kill these cocksuckers.

    There is something wrong with people that like photos of dead bodies lined up.

    In a big pile or compromising sexual positions would be disrespectful... Very Happy

    Dmitry Medvedev calls them for what they are "Rat Bast*rds", i'm starting to like his change of attitude

    The last comment on the video... Russia has vowed to punish the Kiev regime... that would be good.

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    Post  famschopman Wed May 24, 2023 8:00 am

    Lapin just likes being filmed by a film crew giving orders, and it’s not the first time. Frankly looks like ‘everybody look how I valiantly command my soldiers and be tough’ promo video. Cringey.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 24, 2023 8:25 am

    Backman wrote:Our man Lapin again Very Happy  He ain't f'ing around. .33 into the first video , I assume that means hurry up in Russian


    Forward, for the Motherland.
    Laughing
    Kinda grotesque if you ask me Laughing Laughing

    But being serious for a moment, this action is a great example of Ukro real achievements.
    Imagine that.
    They have just lost a whole fukin company, with gear & transport.
    Entire company.
    For functionally nothing. There was not a single goal of the whole operation, they achieved round zero.
    Other than some TikToks, some panic among pussies on TG, and activation of multiple vermin accounts on places like here.
    They haven't even managed to kill a single border security employee, as they withdraw from the border checkpoint to the defensive positions several hundred meters back.
    If you wonder about the other military actions they perform, on the planning and objective level ... well .. that will be much like that.
    They are being simply decimated, at every single occasion.

    On the other hand, some footage from this villages are interesting. Have you noticed how clean&well maintained the infrastructure there is?
    Both the border point and border guards facility looks fresh new, it is all modern infrastructure.
    Roads are fresh new.
    Houses are all well maintained.
    Area is clean and well developed.
    And we are talking about some shitholes next to the border, after a 14 months of war that should have been abandoned long time ago.

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