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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 22, 2023 4:37 am

    Backman wrote:Prigonzhin called Shoigu and the MOD crooks and corrupt in his victory speech. So this lunatic is just gonna keep going this way I guess

    Victory speech? It's one shithole that should have been leveled last year

    Apology speech would be more appropriate under these circumstances

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon May 22, 2023 5:43 am

    Backman wrote:Prigonzhin called Shoigu and the MOD crooks and corrupt in his victory speech. So this lunatic is just gonna keep going this way I guess

    If he were an American I'd chalk his words up to political ambitions and him eyeing an elected office. He may very well have such a thing in mind. Could be some bit of maskirovka too
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    Post  kvs Mon May 22, 2023 5:49 am

    Backman wrote:Prigonzhin called Shoigu and the MOD crooks and corrupt in his victory speech. So this lunatic is just gonna keep going this way I guess

    Sounds like some terminal case of butthurt over something. They probably told this clown to pound sound when he attempted to leverage Wagner's special
    status to get something for nothing and he cannot get over it. Fits with the mentality of a billionaire. Nobody says no to a billionaire. Unlike Deripaska and
    others Prigozhin does not have the self control to stop running his mouth like a retard on this issue.

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    Post  mnztr Mon May 22, 2023 6:52 am

    Backman wrote:Prigonzhin called Shoigu and the MOD crooks and corrupt in his victory speech. So this lunatic is just gonna keep going this way I guess

    Well it possible he is right. Most observers feel this battle took wayyyy too long. Then there was the whole meat grinder approach. Perhaps the MOD decided to use Wagner as the bait. And for the plan to work, Pregozhin had to be prevented from winning a quick and decisive victory. Perhaps he never agree to that and is pissed off he was not consulted and just stuck into this grinding battle he never agreed to.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 22, 2023 7:18 am

    And that is one of the reasons why this whole Wagner spin is much oversized.
    Sure, it is a very effective PMC. Superbly trained and decent equipped. Highly motivated and well paid.
    Yet, it is only a light infantry.
    It is not a match in firepower and flexibility to Russian regular army units.
    And Artemovsk is one of the hints.
    Mariopol is about 5 times the size.
    It was defended by hardcore nazi thugs, the elite of Ukrowehrmacht.
    Taken in about a month, by regular marines unit and Chechen Rosgvardia.
    That is why every single hype created is simply childish.
    No, there are no superhumans.
    There are no Wunderwaffe.
    There is a consistent and planned application of destructive force, that will lead to victory at the end. No brilliant chess master 7D moves.

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    Post  Mir Mon May 22, 2023 10:50 am

    andalusia wrote:Does SA even manufacture weapons in Russian calibres?
    Does Russia use western weapons & calibres??
    Is Russia short of weapon & ammo manufacturing capacity?
    I find this story VERY unlikely, & may be just another (((neocohn))) hoax....


    https://www.news24.com/news24/politics/government/breaking-us-ambassador-says-south-africa-gave-weapons-to-russia-for-ukraine-war-20230511

    It's all BS but the media and the opposition parties love this.
    Only the special forces use weapons of Soviet caliber - mainly small arms.
    The Army itself uses RPG-7's and Zu-23-2's. I don't think that we manufacture any of this ammo locally - all probably imported and I think that was the real reason why the "Lady R" came to South Africa - to offload some ammo.

    If South Africa indeed provided some ammo/weapons to the Russians it would be such a minute amount that it would have made no difference at all! Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 22, 2023 12:40 pm

    Most observers feel this battle took wayyyy too long.

    Then most observers are idiots.

    Have you ever eaten a chicken that was not properly cooked?

    The purpose of this operation was to cut the guts out of the Ukrainian army and to soak up arms and ammo and fuel and mostly men so they can't be used elsewhere or formed up as a reserve for an attack.

    The fact that it went as long as it did probably meant some soldiers and ammo and equipment and fuel that was intended for a later promised offensive got used up in Artyomovsk instead... which is an outstanding result for the Russian side.

    Does this guy resent being used as the sand paper to wear down the nazis... yeah it seems he does... he probably lost guys because of these tactics compared with a faster operation to just take the land... the problem then would be that the Orcs would have a lot more men and ammo and fuel for what ever offensive they are planning.

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    Post  Serberus Mon May 22, 2023 1:17 pm

    The Wehrmacht raided a border checkpoint in Belgorod using tanks and armoured vehicles. Looks like a sizeable force that should have been detected earlier and at least one Russian soldier (or border) guard was killed according to footage.
    Short clips here but there are more on other posts and channels.
    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/64688

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Mon May 22, 2023 2:11 pm

    -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 --
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    so - it looks like Ukraine made a nice PR distraction and entered Belogord region with around 6 vehicles.
    RF is working on it. (Moscow is safe so far)
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    1 Tank and 2 Armored Vehicles with the “Freedom of Russia Legion” in the Belgorod Region of Western Russia.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1660605738757107712

    Reports this morning that 6-8 Armored Vehicles and Tanks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces/Freedom of Russia Legion entered the Belgorod Region of Western Russia with FRL Units now claiming to Captured the Town of Kozinka while Heavy Fighting is still taking place towards Grayvoron.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 22, 2023 2:57 pm

    Has the DRG been eliminated yet? From what I understand their escape was blocked by aviation which destroyed their vehicles

    I think the case for a buffer zone from Kharkov to Chernigov is pretty much made without "doomers" having to say anything

    Sure it's a distraction, but one which cannot stand , and if cheerleaders will continue to support political theater over military logic, then it will be a repeat of what the soviets did to the military leadership

    All sensible reason and logic discarded in favor of political solidarity for the survival of elite

    Well it worked in great patriotic war, albeit after 30 million dead, but there's a great parade every year to remind us that instead of Tukhachevsky we got Tymoshenko and that went fucking well
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    Post  marcellogo Mon May 22, 2023 3:02 pm

    ....alone but also Soledar, Krasna Hora the Bilorivka salient and so on.
    So compare Artemovsk that was taken going progressively from East to West to Mariupol that was instead completely surrounded before even entering inside is IMHO just unjust.
    Given the credit due, AFU were able to fell back in a well controlled manner thus obliging the Wagnerians to take every single position step by step.
    Wagner in itself has structured themselves in the form of a collection of Assault Detachments, an expertise that standard troops of SV sorely lacks.

    I'm the opinion that the best use of those veterans now would be to teach those tactics and form an assault detachment for each regiment/brigade of the regular force instead (or/and a battalion for each division) instead to be expended en masse.

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    Post  Mir Mon May 22, 2023 3:13 pm

    A successful assault in built up areas requires specialist skills AND equipment. Your normal foot soldier doesn't have this ability and if they do attempt such an attack it usually comes at a heavy price. The musicians did a great job. They obviously paid a price for it as well but it was a hell of a lot more devastating on the mad Nazis that chose to stick around. So despite being slow it was and still is the right tactic to use. The Russians have time on their side.

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    Post  limb Mon May 22, 2023 3:53 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Backman wrote:Prigonzhin called Shoigu and the MOD crooks and corrupt in his victory speech. So this lunatic is just gonna keep going this way I guess

    Sounds like some terminal case of butthurt over something.   They probably told this clown to pound sound when he attempted to leverage Wagner's special
    status to get something for nothing and he cannot get over it.   Fits with the mentality of a billionaire.   Nobody says no to a billionaire.   Unlike Deripaska and
    others Prigozhin does not have the self control to stop running his mouth like a retard on this issue.  

    Prigozhin since september=  Soledar, Yakovlevka, Paraskovievka, Artyomovsk

    Ru MoD: Cant even take the shithole village of Spornoye

    He absolutely has the right to say anything, unless the Ru army finally takes ugledar or at least belogorovka. His men died and succeeded, Ru MoD's plywood divisions gave intact T-90Ms to some monkeys, let 180+ russian soldiers in makeevka die for nothing, and repeatedly screwed up taking a few commieblocks and some ruined dachas. But of course, shoigu, muradov, the Russian armies 4d chess AI etc are infallible.

    BTW I wish I could drink some nice artwinery champagne. Wagner really is the only good unit for slaughtering swine. Artyomovsk is the first big victory since severodonetsk-lysychansk agglomeration.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 22, 2023 4:11 pm

    I think Wagner did a good job, but Mariupol is the real template

    In the end, MOD wanted to experiment to see if they could take Bakhmut without the destruction that Mizintsev dealt to Azov

    But judging by the end result, it was the same

    Better to follow the Mizintsev template and just level the whole place

    It's faster, and less guys will die - Mizintsev is now the logistics man in charge of Wagner

    But what they really needed was the firepower they dropped on Azovstal and Mariupol

    Raze the place to the ground and save the manpower for attacks on open ground

    Ofc bleeding the AFU is a good accomplishment, but could do the same by encircling the city and just razing them into ash - like Mariupol
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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon May 22, 2023 4:21 pm

    Serberus wrote:The Wehrmacht raided a border checkpoint in Belgorod using tanks and armoured vehicles. Looks like a sizeable force that should have been detected earlier and at least one Russian soldier (or border) guard was killed according to footage.
    Short clips here but there are more on other posts and channels.
    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/64688

    The real question is will there be a commemorative postage stamp? I understand that a major Hollywood production produced, directed, and starring Sean Goebbels Penn and given the working title of Liberation of Guard Shack 383 is already being put into pre production.  The only problem is so bloody what? This glorious attack has about as much of an effect on this war as Jubal Early's raid on Washington in 1864 did on the American civil war.  I am beginning to think Putin won't take out Ukrainian leadership because doing so risks them being replaced by competent commanders who could actually muster something of a competent offensive instead of wasting men, money, and material on commemorative postage stamp events like the raid on guard shack 383.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Mon May 22, 2023 4:29 pm

    limb wrote:

    Prigozhin since september=  Soledar, Yakovlevka, Paraskovievka, Artyomovsk

    Ru MoD: Cant even take the shithole village of Spornoye

    He absolutely has the right to say anything, unless the Ru army finally takes ugledar or at least belogorovka. His men died and succeeded, Ru MoD's plywood divisions gave intact T-90Ms to some monkeys, let 180+ russian soldiers in makeevka die for nothing, and repeatedly screwed up taking a few commieblocks and some ruined dachas. But of course, shoigu, muradov, the Russian armies 4d chess AI etc are infallible.

    BTW I wish I could drink some nice artwinery champagne. Wagner really is the only good unit for slaughtering swine. Artyomovsk is the first big victory since severodonetsk-lysychansk agglomeration.

    It's very easy. Thie movers and shakers on this board will cover for the Russian MoD/Kremlin no matter the issue and no matter the absurdity. Hence why you see clowns like the above take flak for Shoigu and Gerasimov - two men who belong in jail for gross negligence and inconpetence, with no apparant reasoning and/or logic behind it. It's sheer fanboyism but this time on factional level. Or better said paid shill-ism level.

    Wagner has booked 10 times the result with 10 times less the means. Don't fall for the pilpul by some who like to portray the situation reversed - as if Wagner gets advantageous treatment. Wagner is becoming a political force and winning the hearts and minds hence the slandering has commenced.

    Once again, this is about toeing the Party line. There are people on this board that are somehow invested in the status quo and the current military/political cadres. Whether that is purely emotional investment or actual investment remains to be seen, but the investment is obvious there.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon May 22, 2023 4:37 pm

    Where was the border guards? There is a war going on and russian apparently had hundreds of thousands of men on western border.

    Where were they?

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    Post  sundoesntrise Mon May 22, 2023 4:39 pm

    ALAMO wrote:And that is one of the reasons why this whole Wagner spin is much oversized.
    Sure, it is a very effective PMC. Superbly trained and decent equipped. Highly motivated and well paid.
    Yet, it is only a light infantry.
    It is not a match in firepower and flexibility to Russian regular army units.
    And Artemovsk is one of the hints.
    Mariopol is about 5 times the size.
    It was defended by hardcore nazi thugs, the elite of Ukrowehrmacht.
    Taken in about a month, by regular marines unit and Chechen Rosgvardia.
    That is why every single hype created is simply childish.
    No, there are no superhumans.
    There are no Wunderwaffe.
    There is a consistent and planned application of destructive force, that will lead to victory at the end. No brilliant chess master 7D moves.

    There are definitely no superhumans in any of the Russian military cadres - more like potbellied overdue retirees that are drunk on potato vodka most of the time.

    The 'results' speak for themselves. Some of their finest crafts: losing Kharkov province due to lack of any defensive prepations yet donating about 600+ vehicles to the Ukros, human waving Vuhledar for 22 times without any noteworthy progress (yet losing 100s-1000s of men in the progress), selling massive amounts of gear, fuel and ammo on the black market due to rampant corruption (these generals got fined 160USD) and so on.

    You need to lay off the Kremlin propaganda for a while. Your copes have been getting tiresome lately.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 22, 2023 4:39 pm

    They're clearing Kozinka, these guys have MRAPS and 100 men in this small village

    Some of internal ministry guys have been shot and wounded

    But just now an alert was declared for all emergency personnel to be armed as military

    This would have been avoided with a buffer zone

    The politicians cannot have their cake and eat it too, you want a good economy? And you want to fight a war on the cheap ? Well something will have to give

    As more Russians will get irritated with this, the onus is on the cheerleaders to face the facts - you can't call residents of Kozinka doomers when they're being attacked by these nazis and the government refuses to take action or take it seriously

    Are the residents of Gravyoron doomers? Gora Podol?

    Cheer leaders need to think about where this will lead and how the Russian people are going to view Moscows inaction here


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    Post  sundoesntrise Mon May 22, 2023 4:44 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Where was the border guards? There is a war going on and russian apparently had hundreds of thousands of men on western border.

    Where were they?

    There is no war, there is a Special Military Operation (and that's why Russia can't get shit done according to Big P.)

    You need to check your tone and overall attitude comrade. The enemy loves defeatist troublemakers like you. Konanikov (whatever his name is) has already stated that the saboteurs have bee destroyed (which usually means the exact opposite).


    Zero deterrence.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 22, 2023 4:54 pm

    Moscow reaction will probably be to dedicated a billboard to heroic citizens of Kozinka  ,

    Raise the stakes? Secure the border? Nah

    Make a feel good story about little Petya defending his mom from a fucking nazi unit , make a billboard and they will forget about it

    The worse thing that happened to Russia was the population pyramid resulting from soviet ineptitude , leaving us with one of the most disproportionate old to young ratios in the world , on par with Japan

    It's overwhelming old farts from the 60s who are immune from this, and think everything is A- okay as long as Izvestia is telling them its all good

    Anyone who can use technology knows the situation for what it is

    Only a retarded 80 year old pensioner is cool with it

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon May 22, 2023 5:00 pm

    While I cannot say the claims of Ukie forces  (ethnic russians on Ukie side) is true or false as its claimed they captured the settlements of Kozinka, Glotove, Gora-Podil and fighting is on going.

    If true and this was allowed to occur so far behind your lines, things aren't going nearly as well as the cheerleaders say.

    The story is some Group called "the Liberty of Russia legion" is doing it.


    This is what russia gets if it's true for allowing this to go on for so long and pussy footing as they have been, declare war mobilize mass forces, and end it, otherwise your only asking for situations like this

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    Post  sundoesntrise Mon May 22, 2023 5:03 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:While I cannot say the claims of Ukie forces  (ethnic russians on Ukie side) is true or false as its claimed they captured the settlements of Kozinka, Glotove, Gora-Podil and fighting is on going.

    If true and this was allowed to occur so far behind your lines then things aren't going nearly as well as the cheerleaders say.

    The story is some Group called the liberty of russia legion is doing it.


    This is what russia gets if its true for allowing this to go on for so long and pussy footing like they have been

    100 guys with a couple of vehicles managed to make more territorial gains in 3 hours than the Russian Army barring Wagner did in the last 12 months.

    Facts.


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    Post  mnztr Mon May 22, 2023 5:03 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Most observers feel this battle took wayyyy too long.

    Then most observers are idiots.

    Have you ever eaten a chicken that was not properly cooked?

    The purpose of this operation was to cut the guts out of the Ukrainian army and to soak up arms and ammo and fuel and mostly men so they can't be used elsewhere or formed up as a reserve for an attack.

    The fact that it went as long as it did probably meant some soldiers and ammo and equipment and fuel that was intended for a later promised offensive got used up in Artyomovsk instead... which is an outstanding result for the Russian side.

    Does this guy resent being used as the sand paper to wear down the nazis... yeah it seems he does... he probably lost guys because of these tactics compared with a faster operation to just take the land... the problem then would be that the Orcs would have a lot more men and ammo and fuel for what ever offensive they are planning.

    We know what the plan was, but perhaps Pregozhin never agreed to allow his PMC troops to be used this way and when he had opportunities to win the battle they cut of his ammo to keep the grinder going. Perhaps this resulted in excessive deaths on the part of his PMC. Which is why he threatened to pull out.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 22, 2023 5:04 pm

    Cue cheerleaders coming to say it's all good, and nothing happened, it's no big deal

    I think these morons were arguing some pages back with you about the nuclear doctrine being valid in case of violation of territorial integrity

    Well the territorial integrity went out the window this morning lmfao

    Fucking joke

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