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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 26, 2022 3:57 pm

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:09 pm

    Yeah, seems to have been a big bunch of U.S. M112 demolition charges.

    The "WARNING: POISONOUS IF EATEN DO NOT BURN-PRODUCES TOXIC FUMES" disclaimer can be discerned under the cling film or whatever they used to hold them together.

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    Post  Isos Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:09 pm

    Are those upgraded t-72 ?

    I wonder if they will upgrade t-62 this way as well. Now that they are working at full speed, it would be worth upgrading 2000 t-62 with the stuff they put on the t-72.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:25 pm

    Isos wrote:Why would they need spies ? That base is well known and they park their aircraft in line close each from another.

    They need to find out the schedule of activation of air defense system. You know when you have like 7 Tors in one base.. Only few of them maybe 3-4 are active at a given time while others stand-by or under maintenance. This schedule is the secret. If it's known then they can actually try to exploit the gap. Also NATO reconnaissance may active in Norway or Finland which help verification of that intelligence.

    The other possibility is the drone already smuggled within Russian territory and launched at close range.
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    Post  psg Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:33 pm

    Better solution than awacs could be a tethered aerostat, with multi faceted radar, 4 of them at a height of around 150/200ft, that would be adequate enough to pick up the small uav's at a standoff range, outside of the danger  zone of parked aircraft and other essential facilities, with 24hrs coverage and more Panstir's plus 4 Tor M2 both with a mix of the mini missiles developed to counter small uav's

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:39 pm

    @Stealthflanker
    Black Sea aquatory is much closer to Saratov than Norway or Finland. If there's any NATO record done, it will be done from there.
    I doubt that any drone smuggled to Russia can make so much damage after it was shot down. 
    Option one would be that Strizh drone is shot down or that something smaller, like Mugin drone was not shot down, but actually executed attack in which servicemen died.
    Of course Mugin would be have to be launched within Russia.
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    Post  PhSt Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:51 pm

    Attacks on Russia's nuclear triad facilities by NATzO and its Pukranian cannon fodders crosses the line and needs a prompt response. Russia needs to emphasize this in a live UN broadcast and then launch another massive 500 cruise missile and 1000 geran strikes on all Pukranian NAZI targets. attack

    Food storage, water facilities and the remaining power grid needs to be taken out ASAP. Starve all NATzO cannon fodders to death until they SUBMIT to Russia's noble cause russia
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:09 pm

    Rumors floating that Russia has honed its HIMARS detection skills, with multiple launchers destroyed over the past couple of days.

    It's not some special system anyway. Long-range GNS-guided MLRS aren't new, Russia possesses the capability, even little Belarus has its own domestic equivalent. But the Ukrainians definitely do their best to "shoot and scoot" and they hide them well, as far from the front as their range permits, in dense urban areas where there are loads of usable shelters.



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    Post  Sujoy Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:18 pm

    Pakistan wanted to buy Russian oil at a discount, but Moscow refused to oblige. Pakistan's shipments of weapons to Ukraine might be the reason an oil deal didn't happen.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:35 pm

    Dr Snufflebug  "Rumors floating that Russia has honed its HIMARS detection skills, with multiple launchers destroyed over the past couple of days."

    This looks like yet another US unintended consequence of their supply of 'advanced', at least for them, weapons. The Russians now have a perfect R&D opportunity to design and implement anti very mobile MLRS techniques whilst improving their own MLRS based on the US/NATO experience. Even though US/NATO has a much bigger problem, given Russia's MLRS systems, whilst as the attacker, it can work on its launchers it does not have the same opportunity to work on defence.

    Yet another case of the US presenting Russia with the tools that will allow them to get even further ahead. There must be some forward thinkers in the Western armies that are spitting blood.

    EDIT- Take them out after they get faults. The weak link.

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    Two more HIMARS launchers destroyed yesterday in a Russian strike on a repair shop in Kramatorsk.

    Very little of the HIMARS myth remains ...


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    Post  Ispan Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:43 pm

    Updated list of brigades seen in the Artemovsk fighting


    Brigades

    10 mountain brigade

    24 (one company)

    30

    46 airmobile

    54
    57 motorized infantry ( 2 battalions)
    59 motorized infantry ( 3 territorial battalions attached to the brigade)

    60 infantry
    62 Mechanized ( 3 battalions)

    71 Jaeger
    79 brigade (part of it)

    92 (withdrawn)
    93
    97 brigade

    120 Territorial (replaced 92)
    128 Mountain Assault


    That's 15 Brigades, counting another half a dozen brigades that were rotated out during the battle, the Ukrowehrmacht might have commited 20 brigades to the fighting during the previous five months, with most during the past 4 months, battle began in earnest during September, on 7 September the Russians entered Artemovsk eastern factories though they were expelled by a counterattack a month later.

    For my overview of the battle see this previous entry

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/12/07/la-batalla-por-artemovsk/





    AFU may lose Bakhmut due to lack of reserves: 1.2 thousand soldiers were killed in ten days



    2022-12-26 19:02



    Armed conflicts. Combat operations, Reports from the militia of Novorossiya. Latest reports from the DPR and LPR fronts


    Since December 15, the AFU reinforcements have lost about 1.2 thousand people killed and seriously wounded in Bakhmut. According to the Military Chronicle, the largest losses were suffered by units deployed to Artemivsk from the southern direction.

    The largest number of dead and seriously wounded was recorded in the reconnaissance company of the 24th AFU Brigade, the 34th and 17th motorized infantry battalions of the 57th infantry Brigade, and the 9th, 10th and 11th territorial defense battalions of the 59th separate motorized infantry Brigade.

    AFU reinforcements suffered losses at the positions of the 30th and 54th brigades in the southern suburbs of Bakhmut-Opytne and Kleshcheyevka. After the arrival of the Ukrainian infantry on the positions targeted and partially destroyed by artillery fire, which are under the supervision of the Wagner PMC, the APU used a barrage tactic using 152 mm Hyacinth-B howitzers.

    The 1st, 2nd and 3rd battalions of the 62nd mechanized Brigade from the 4th Army Corps of the AFU Reserve also suffered heavy losses. These units came under a barrage of artillery from the Wagner PMC during an attempt by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to counterattack in the area of Kurdyumovka and Ozeryanovka, 20 km south of Bakhmut.

    The situation is particularly difficult in the 59th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In just three days, from December 23 to 26, the unit lost about 185 people killed and wounded. A reconnaissance company of the brigade and a self-propelled division with howitzers "Gvozdika" of 122 mm caliber were almost completely destroyed.

    On December 24, due to the impact of 300-mm Smerch complexes, the brigade lost the control point of an artillery reconnaissance battery with the American AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder counter-battery radar and the Starlink satellite terminal in the Ivanovsky area (a southwestern suburb of Bakhmut). After that, the headquarters structures of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this area switched to data exchange via the Iridium PTT (Push-To-Talk) system, which complicated and slowed down the exchange of information and counter-battery warfare in this area.

    The destruction of the AN/TPQ-37 counter-battery radar also made it difficult to use the 155 mm TRF1 French howitzers deployed near Bakhmut. Due to a lack of intelligence, the Ukrainian artillery was unable to conduct targeted fire for several days and twice hit the positions of the 54th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the south-east of Artemivsk.

    The Bakhmut garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffers heavy losses on the first and second lines of defense, where, in addition to the orchestra artillery, T-80BV/BVM "jet" tanks are very active. According to the Military Chronicle, the Ukrainian infantry in this area suffers from a shortage of anti-tank grenade launchers and gradually loses the ability to deal with the rapid breakthroughs of tanks in the depth of defense at a speed of 60-70 km/h.

    According to AFU radio intercepts, the infantrymen left on the first two lines of defense are dying without weapons and cover, while the reserves inside Bakhmut are working on a plan of action in urban battles in case the front collapses. The AFU reserves are forced to prepare fortifications inside the city for the fall of the defense around Bakhmut manually due to a shortage of engineering equipment, which the Military Chronicle reported earlier.


    Source: life.ru

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Mon Dec 26, 2022 7:15 pm

    psg wrote:Better solution than awacs could be a tethered aerostat, with multi faceted radar, 4 of them at a height of around 150/200ft, that would be adequate enough to pick up the small uav's at a standoff range, outside of the danger  zone of parked aircraft and other essential facilities, with 24hrs coverage and more Panstir's plus 4 Tor M2 both with a mix of the mini missiles developed to counter small uav's

    The better solution is to lay the entire atom bomber fleet to a completely new Airbase.

    This should not have a forest, no villages or cities or other hills within a radius of 25km. Then pull three security zones around this new base of 1km, 5km, 25km.

    Ring 1 close range 1km, with 2x S-400, 2xS-500, 2xBUKM3, 8x TorM2, plus fixed 12x AK630 near-area defense.
    Ring 2 at 5km, with 8x BukM3 in east, south, west and north from the base. In addition, 2 TorM2 for the BukM3, at Südost 2x TorM2, Südwest 2xtorm2, northwest 2x TorM2, northeast 2x TorM2.
    Ring 3 at 10km, every 3km 2x PanzirSM system.

    Of course, the basis should also have a Groupe of MIG-31BM, a Groupe SU-35 and monitoring drones for the range with 24/7 service as protection.

    Space for at least 48 protected parking spaces (which never allow a review from space) for TU-160 and TU-95. However, 96 parking spaces would be better. That means the base should be very large. In addition, three very wide runway.

    Similar to T-3 the Syrian.
    Please put the whole base behind Moscow.
    T-3 The Syrian is also far from the IDF.

    Would be a very big large solar park in the Place where sheep keep everything short.
    No tree within a radius of 25km. Everything solar. Everything can be easily overlooked by Radar.


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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 26, 2022 7:21 pm

    That's 15 Brigades
    On paper.


    Twitter rumours:
    It seems Russia is preparing a new wave of attacks.

    Some comment from a user:
    This might be the reason they're launching these desperate drone strikes on the big airfields. US intelligence might be giving them a heads-up when Russia is preparing a new raid, and so they try to disrupt and delay it as much as possible with these attacks.

    In Mariupol school No. 27 was opened and also keys to new apartments were handed over to the first 5 families from Mariupol and 10 from Volnovakha:

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 26, 2022 7:51 pm

    🇷🇺 Dmitry Medvedev will take over as deputy head of the military-industrial commission (chaired by Putin) in addition to his post as deputy secretary of the Russian Security Council. The commission is directly involved in the formation of the state defense order and is one of the main instruments of the state in matters of mastering the military budget, which will be of paramount importance in the coming years.

    Very convenient position for future personnel growth.

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦 The FSB published the names of members of the Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group, liquidated on the border with the Bryansk region

    Yuri Gorovets (callsign "Svyatosha", group commander),
    Maxim Mikhailov (call sign "Don't drink beer", sapper),
    Taras Karpyuk (call sign "Tarasy", sapper),
    Bogdan Lyagov (call sign Apollo, sapper).

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Armed Forces of Ukraine are experiencing a number of difficulties during the special military operation of Russia, the British newspaper Financial Times reported.

    "Of course, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are experiencing a number of problems. Among them are high losses, a low level of training, an extremely strong attrition of the military personnel of some units, as well as a lack of weapons and ammunition," an unnamed military adviser from one of the Western countries quoted the publication as saying.

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    Post  limb Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:24 pm

    Since December 15, the AFU reinforcements have lost about 1.2 thousand people killed and seriously wounded in Bakhmut. According to the Military Chronicle, the largest losses were suffered by units deployed to Artemivsk from the southern direction.

    The largest number of dead and seriously wounded was recorded in the reconnaissance company of the 24th AFU Brigade, the 34th and 17th motorized infantry battalions of the 57th infantry Brigade, and the 9th, 10th and 11th territorial defense battalions of the 59th separate motorized infantry Brigade.

    AFU reinforcements suffered losses at the positions of the 30th and 54th brigades in the southern suburbs of Bakhmut-Opytne and Kleshcheyevka. After the arrival of the Ukrainian infantry on the positions targeted and partially destroyed by artillery fire, which are under the supervision of the Wagner PMC, the APU used a barrage tactic using 152 mm Hyacinth-B howitzers.

    The 1st, 2nd and 3rd battalions of the 62nd mechanized Brigade from the 4th Army Corps of the AFU Reserve also suffered heavy losses. These units came under a barrage of artillery from the Wagner PMC during an attempt by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to counterattack in the area of Kurdyumovka and Ozeryanovka, 20 km south of Bakhmut.

    The situation is particularly difficult in the 59th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In just three days, from December 23 to 26, the unit lost about 185 people killed and wounded. A reconnaissance company of the brigade and a self-propelled division with howitzers "Gvozdika" of 122 mm caliber were almost completely destroyed.

    On December 24, due to the impact of 300-mm Smerch complexes, the brigade lost the control point of an artillery reconnaissance battery with the American AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder counter-battery radar and the Starlink satellite terminal in the Ivanovsky area (a southwestern suburb of Bakhmut). After that, the headquarters structures of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this area switched to data exchange via the Iridium PTT (Push-To-Talk) system, which complicated and slowed down the exchange of information and counter-battery warfare in this area.

    The destruction of the AN/TPQ-37 counter-battery radar also made it difficult to use the 155 mm TRF1 French howitzers deployed near Bakhmut. Due to a lack of intelligence, the Ukrainian artillery was unable to conduct targeted fire for several days and twice hit the positions of the 54th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the south-east of Artemivsk.

    The Bakhmut garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffers heavy losses on the first and second lines of defense, where, in addition to the orchestra artillery, T-80BV/BVM "jet" tanks are very active. According to the Military Chronicle, the Ukrainian infantry in this area suffers from a shortage of anti-tank grenade launchers and gradually loses the ability to deal with the rapid breakthroughs of tanks in the depth of defense at a speed of 60-70 km/h.

    According to AFU radio intercepts, the infantrymen left on the first two lines of defense are dying without weapons and cover, while the reserves inside Bakhmut are working on a plan of action in urban battles in case the front collapses. The AFU reserves are forced to prepare fortifications inside the city for the fall of the defense around Bakhmut manually due to a shortage of engineering equipment, which the Military Chronicle reported earlier.

    Just like virtual peremogas, and alleged intercepted phonecalls of russians soldiers calling their mothers, theres no way to verify this.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:27 pm

    📹 Soldiers of the 9th regiment stormed the enemy's stronghold

    Artillery of the 9th regiment with well-aimed fire destroyed long-term enemy firing points covering the approaches to his stronghold. This allowed the armored group to break through directly to the enemy fortifications. Firing from the standard armament of the infantry fighting vehicles of the 9th regiment, they landed troops, who managed to capture the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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    Post  limb Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:32 pm

    Soldiers of the 9th regiment stormed the enemy's stronghold

    Artillery of the 9th regiment with well-aimed fire destroyed long-term enemy firing points covering the approaches to his stronghold. This allowed the armored group to break through directly to the enemy fortifications. Firing from the standard armament of the infantry fighting vehicles of the 9th regiment, they landed troops, who managed to capture the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    yay, 65m of random "ultrafortified"  trenches  were liberated. Maryinka by 2053!


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    Post  Isos Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:34 pm

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    Post  limb Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:34 pm

    This tg page has lots of mercouris grade copium.
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    Posts of dead pigs. Most of them are unverified tho
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    Post  wilhelm Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:45 pm

    "JohninMK wrote:
    How do they keep the vision ports and other optics mud free?"


    The South African Tank Technology Demonstrator used high pressure compressed air to keep vision slits and optics clear of African dust.
    I'm sure Russia uses a similar method, but with the addition of fluid, due to the difference in conditions..ie mud instead of dust.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:54 pm

    I'm concerned about the reliance on SHORAD systems too. Why haven't they got fighters in the air or an AWACS up there at all times? Yeah it's a strain, but this is a time of war, it's no time for laxness; key facilities should be on high-alert and have extra assets operating in support.

    SHORAD can be the only defence against low flying slow drones, and as you say... it is war... increasing the costs of defence might not make the air base any safer but even if it did they would just move on to softer targets and start hitting purely civilian targets which of course the west will say is justified and OK because it is not their civilians being targeted.

    Yeah, seems to have been a big bunch of U.S. M112 demolition charges.

    The "WARNING: POISONOUS IF EATEN DO NOT BURN-PRODUCES TOXIC FUMES" disclaimer can be discerned under the cling film or whatever they used to hold them together.

    It seems the people America gives its weapons to will eat or burn anything...

    They need to find out the schedule of activation of air defense system. You know when you have like 7 Tors in one base.. Only few of them maybe 3-4 are active at a given time while others stand-by or under maintenance. This schedule is the secret. If it's known then they can actually try to exploit the gap. Also NATO reconnaissance may active in Norway or Finland which help verification of that intelligence.

    If that is the case then no wonder drones are causing damage... these air bases have runways that are 5km long and cover an enormous area... with only 3-4 active at any one time they would have serious problems covering all attack directions.

    What they really need is good low level radar coverage down to insect level, which will only show birds at this time of the year and work from there.

    The other possibility is the drone already smuggled within Russian territory and launched at close range.

    They have the advantage of having some of the biggest arse holes possible so smuggling could be a possibility... drones and trucks and other vehicles in those arse holes... Wink

    Black Sea aquatory is much closer to Saratov than Norway or Finland. If there's any NATO record done, it will be done from there.
    I doubt that any drone smuggled to Russia can make so much damage after it was shot down

    The soldiers killed might have been in a vehicle or building that the drone landed on with its warhead intact after having its flight surfaces and controls shredded by a SAM.

    Russia should have learned the first time, second time is no excuse and I agree with stealth acessment that someone in the PVO is a Ukrainian agent.

    And moving air defence units to cover these places takes them away from other places that can be hit instead... or do you want three TOR batteries at every possible target... how many TORs do you think they have just lying around?

    What they need is a reasonable level of defence, which is what they seem to have... the best the Orcs can do is this... not ideal but sustainable... the three killed were likely flukes...

    Eventually, people will be asking questions as to what their government is doing, and when those voices get louder, it will get harder for the current administration.

    So you admit to cheer leading for Kiev to get Putin thrown out of power... interesting admission there mate.

    Going to start by pruning some rubbish that does not belong in this thread.

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    Post  Regular Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:55 pm



    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1607477025962430465?s=20&t=lnDbxVKU74SSkL5ybsiCug

    MaxBlumenthal wrote:After months in Ukraine training soldiers, Ret Col Andrew Milburn of
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    mercenary firm gets sauced on camera & spills the beans:

    Ukraine is a "corrupt, fucked-up society" run by "fucked-up people"

    Ukrainian soldiers "kill dudes who surrendered," commit "atrocities"

    PMCs have more moral fibre than UAF…

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:58 pm

    Never said any of that Garry and you should know better as you have known me for years.

    On contrary, I am no fan of my fellow compatriots, the Ukrainians.  I rather detest most of them for lots of reasons, including things that happened with my family and to the extent of stuff happening now.

    But rather, it should be apparent to Putin and the rest of the Kremlin that people also have a limit to what they can handle and the kind of information being shared.  Russians can be rather very smart and know when they are being lied to. It may be because of experience during the USSR that made them cynical.  Anyway, the Russian government has to a bit more direct.

    So don't make assumptions on what I said Garry. I know you know better than that.
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    Us waiting for the winter offensive.
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    Russian soldier with ultra-light high-mobility vehicle (in short: ULHMV). American version will cost 250.000$ without extras (wheels).

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