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    Post  Regular Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:35 am

    zorobabel wrote:Use of HIMARS and GMLRS in Bakhmut. Looks like about 15 Russian KIA. Hopefully the city can be captured soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlCAh7f0fw

    Unlucky guys.

    There is a longer video, I think they counted 30-40 or so.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zn7io8/russian_troops_absorbing_artillery_fire_ukraine/

    Seems that HIMARS needs some correction as well, it's not a laser as the myth says. But yes, airburst tungsten shrapnels are scary.

    TOS would still by a horror if you are in the trench, but this comes close.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:55 am

    They can "don't care" only as long as they have a replacement.
    And that is the point where they are getting short ...

    Would that be Polish troops or Sweden and Finland?

    First he claimed nearly all missiles shot down and in the next sentences "We need more AD!!!"

    That is not the confusing bit... they are clearly using up air defence missiles so they will of course need more all the time.

    The confusing bit was the damage done to Ukrainian assets considering most of the attacking missiles were claimed to be shot down...

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    Yeah, boarding and disembarking takes place under ground so the Russians can't get footage showing the Orcs are using these trains to move soldiers and military equipment that they could show to the world to justify attacks on them.

    Leo 2 can go in ukraine they will end up destroyed like any other ukro tank. Ka-52 will hunt them. If they make it to the front they will live max 1 day. Once spot either artillery either atgm will take care of them. They bring nothing more than the slovenian t55. They have good optics and precision but they can't survive.

    Would also add another new calibre to the party for Orc logistics...

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    Post  mnztr Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:29 am

    They really gotta take Odessa, so that NATO ships will not be able to dock anywhere near Russia. Then Turkey will not allow them to dock due to the risk to it gas pipelines.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:08 am

    Odessa is huge population wise compared to Mariupol,

    The focus as of now is east, Odessa is a Longshot right now

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    Post  mnztr Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:19 am

    It does have a population, but I doubt its heavily defended. In any case, shut of the power and water and get the Uke nazis trekking to Kiev.
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    Post  lancelot Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:52 am

    Moscow has data confirming US’, Poland’s involvement in terror attacks in Russia — agency
    According to the specialists’ assessments, a number of facts "confirm the direct involvement of the US and Poland in the massive military-logistical support of the Kiev regime, in preparation and implementation of joint terror attacks on the Russian Federation territory"

    MOSCOW, December 16. /TASS/. Data from intercepted drones confirm the involvement of the US and Poland in preparation of terror attacks on the Russian territory, a source in Russian security agencies told TASS Friday.

    "Relevant agencies of the Russian Federation analyzed electronic components of the intercepted unmanned aerial vehicles, used by Ukraine for attacks on Russian infrastructure objects - in particular, in Sevastopol, in Crimea, in Kursk, Belgorod and Voronezh Regions," the agency said.

    According to the specialists’ assessments, a number of facts "confirm the direct involvement of the US and Poland in the massive military-logistical support of the Kiev regime, in preparation and implementation of joint terror attacks on the Russian Federation territory."

    The agency noted that "the avionics and drone control stations were produced by US’ Spektreworks, a company that performed the initial tuning and check of the drones at the Scottsdale airport in Arizona."

    In addition, the relevant agencies pointed out that "the final assembly and flight trials of these drones were carried out on the Polish territory, near the Rzeszow airport, used by the US and NATO as the main supply node for Ukrainian armed forces."

    "The installation of payload, flight mission and the launch itself were carried out near Odessa and Krivoy Rog," the statement says.

    https://tass.com/politics/1551605

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    Post  Erk Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:48 am

    lancelot wrote:

    Moscow has data confirming US’, Poland’s involvement in terror attacks in Russia — agency


    What is the significance of the Russian media pointing that out?
    Are Russia preparing the public for possible retaliation?

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:42 am

    The Ukrainian Tochka strike on the Kramatorsk railway station on April 8th (one of the most blatantly obvious examples of a so-called "false flag" attempt ever in history, btw), that killed 50+ people was an airburst fragmentation ditto, too.

    Nasty weapons. But nothing new per se.

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    Post  Kiko Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:00 am

    A VMF/BSF landing strike on Niko/Odessa and adjacent coastline would mean a deathly blow to Volodymyr's underbelly and weakest spot. 
    Some killer instinct is now needed.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:49 am

    Do they want a killer blow, or do they want to continue to bleed the enemy while probably in the background looking for non nazis that could form future neutral governments in the country moving forward.

    They will have enormous numbers of plans based on different scenarios with different levels of risk and return and which they choose will really depend on western actions and the actions of Kiev itself.

    Winter is too good an opportunity to waste so they were always going to take down power and heating... what else will they need to do to create conditions where the Ukrainian people say enough is enough... either Zelensky starts real negotiations for real peace or we need someone else who will.

    I see Kissengers new peace deal... but like all the other it demands Russia withdraw from the Ukraine including the Crimea, which means withdrawing from Russian territory... so that is not going to happen.

    Even more so he doesn't explain why Russia would want to withdraw from all of that territory in the first place?

    It is Kiev and the west on the verge of collapse... not Moscow.

    Perhaps the peace treaty will start with HATO and US troops and advisors and politicians with US educations and citizenship leaving the country and promising not to return and all Ukrainian soldiers laying down their arms and surrendering... until that appears as their option of choice the fighting will continue no doubt.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:27 pm

    Twitter news:

    On Friday, throughout the day, the President worked at the joint headquarters of the military branches involved in the special military operation.

    The head of state got acquainted with the work of the headquarters, heard a report on the progress of the NMD, and also held a conference and
    separate meetings with the commanders.


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    Ukrainian and Western air defense systems have used up a significant resource on decoys specially launched by the RF Armed Forces - RF Ministry of Defense

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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:42 pm

    Kissinger and the rest of NATzO can keep wanking themselves to sleep and dreaming sweet dreams of Crimea as their naval base.
    Russia has more rights to Crimea and the south and east of Ukraine than the US has rights to any piece of its own territory. What
    is more, the majority of people in these regions want to be part of Russia.

    But Russia needs to regime change Ukraine regardless of any border changes. This war is not about Russian territorial expansion but
    about suppression of the creation of a NATzO destabilization entity that is intended to militarily, economically and biologically attack
    Russia. It shows the ludicrous nature of the current order that there is real potential for WWIII over what amounts to a Russian
    policing operation on its border when the US and its minions can run around the planet and regime change any country that can't
    fight back on whatever pretext that they concoct. This NATzO exceptionalism has to be contained and suppressed.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:09 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlCAh7f0fw

    The airburst tungsten seems like a viable weapon against infantry, does Russia have a counterpart to this weapon? if not perhaps Russia should make something similar but of course with a more powerful and deadly blast radius.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:24 pm

    kiko wrote:
    A VMF/BSF landing strike on Niko/Odessa and adjacent coastline would mean a deathly blow to Volodymyr's underbelly and weakest spot.
    Some killer instinct is now needed

    I don't think it would make sense for the general staff, to allocate resources to a naval landing , one which would be exposed to risk for their ships

    I think more likely is a strong push from the north to clear the space of VSU, then mining the areas between Kiev, Chernigov, and Sumy with Agriculture MLRS mining system en masse

    Combined with a concerted and concentrated effort in the east to clear the space from Svatovo to Oskol Reservoir

    And in Donbass to liberate Soledar, Bakhmut, Marinka, Toretsk, Avdeyevka, and set the ground for the push on Kramatorsk/Slavyansk

    This would solve the main problems , which are that the bulk of Ukrainian forces remain in the east, and the kill ratio will always be most favorable here

    Notice the Ukrainians don't attempt other offensives, but continue to send fresh meat to the grinder in the east- meaning it is the most important ground for them to prevent the collapse of their defenses

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:43 pm

    Moldova has suspended the broadcast licenses of six television channels, accusing them of misinformation, inaccurate coverage of Russia’s war in Ukraine, and “attempts to manipulate public opinion,” according to the authorities.

    Western values!  No

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    Post  PhSt Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:59 pm

    In view of an increasing potential for more regional and global conflicts in the near future, Russia, with use of its experience in Pukraine, needs to form a 1 million-strong expeditionary force. I think having such a force on standby will give Russia a strong deterrence against possible NATzO aggression and be able to respond quickly to any future situations similar to Pukraine.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:07 pm

    A One Million man, expeditionary force always on the ready? bruh you clearly do not know anything about the military to say that.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:23 pm

    A One Million man, expeditionary force always on the ready? bruh you clearly do not know anything about the military to say that.

    Its just a suggestion, it doesn't mean its not open to adjustments, what I'm simply implying is that Russia needs to set up a force that is similar in structure and purpose to the NATzO Response force which is planned to reach a size of at least 300k troops.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:29 pm

    Russia doesn't need any 'rapid reaction force'. At least not a specific one

    It already has the VDV. And the most important thing is to maintain high readiness during times of crisis, with good intelligence, so that Russia can respond rapidly to any situation near its borders. It doesn't need some expeditionary force or whatever for that.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:32 pm

    It already has the VDV. And the most important thing is to maintain high readiness during times of crisis, with good intelligence, so that Russia can respond rapidly to any situation near its borders. It doesn't need some expeditionary force or whatever for that.

    But imagine if Russia had a 300k strong rapid response force at the beginning of the NATzO instigated Pukrainian conflict. Rusia would have liberated far greater territory and could have already successfully liberated occupied Kiev and there wont be a need partial mobilization.
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    Post  PhSt Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:45 pm

    I have been wondering why Russia haven't made advances in this northern part of NATzO occupied Pukraine. Its in a very close proximity to Russia and perhaps any operations in this area will have better logistics from the Russian side.


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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:00 pm

    Post  Hole Today at 4:43 pm


    Western values!  No


    I have told you.
    They can't stand pluralism anymore while acting as if they have invented it.
    The Soviet Union at its knees was more open than the fags that are deciding your&mine tomorrow.

    But imagine if Russia had a 300k strong rapid response force

    Again I will stand aligned with Seig, whose reasonable alter ego prevailed for a moment.
    You have no clue what you are talking about.
    A "rapid response" is not a troop number, but logistics.
    How many people you can deliver in a single blow?
    300k?
    You are mad or something?
    The biggest cruiser in the world carries some 7k passengers. Sole souls only with luggage.
    It costed 1.5 bln $.
    Stena operates the biggest combined ROPAX in the world. Mixing technical with people leaves you with 1200 souls on board.
    $450 mln a piece.
    Sea route is more effective than airlift by a FACTOR.
    Not 10%, 100%, but 1000%.
    Gettig some basics before coming out would be a nice thing, you know.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:03 pm

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:13 pm

    Russian proposal to combat glorification of Nazism opposed by western countries.

    This perhaps explains why they support Ukraine.

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