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    Post  Hole Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:38 pm

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    All those mighty states supporting the west: Bahamas, Belize, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Palau, Samoa, Tuvalu...  Laughing
    Most of those are "former" colonies of NATO states, still controled by London, Paris and so on.

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    Post  Broski Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:03 pm

    Funny thing is, an abstention from this vote is the same thing in the eyes of the collective west as a vote against it, so it's actually 94 against vs 82 in favor.

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    Post  Regular Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:15 pm

    limb wrote:The guys a brutish neonazi


    Context - During 90s Russian political movements were very brutish and primitive, just remember the birth of nazbolism... That's what you get when you pull people out of vacuum - they cling to various whacko ideas. Not to mention that people loved to be contrarian.

    Anyways, back in the days I had chat with a Russian nazi (not a nazi anymore) and I asked him is it OK for Russians to Sieg Heil and use swastikas. He said that the Russians are the only ones allowed to Sieg Heil as they claimed that right by defeating nazis. It carries a different meaning for them. Just like black people can use N-word now. I couldn't argue with this logic clown

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:10 pm

    The United Nothings don't even know what a Crimea is. Any clown showing "concern" over Crimea today is either a retard or a shill.
    At least these f*ckers could focus on Kherson and Zaporozhye or something.

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    Post  Hole Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:50 pm

    A third of these countries got the combined population of Moscow.

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    A Ukro drone surrendered
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    From a video showing the "ukrainian defenders" of Bakhmut.  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Hole Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:53 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #34 - Page 30 Fkliqb10
    Embarassed
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    Just normal "ukrainian" symbols formerly used by some german "defenders of freedom and democracy" otherwise known as SS.
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    Pic showing the "ukrainian" master race building the pyramids.

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:39 pm

    The video about those picture above in hole's post.

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    Post  franco Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:42 pm


    Gerasimov: the length of the line of contact in Ukraine is 815 kilometers


    The length of the line of contact in the zone of special military operation is 815 kilometers, the main efforts of the Russian Armed Forces are now focused on the liberation of the DPR. This was stated by the Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, General of the Army Valery Gerasimov, at a briefing in front of military attachés of foreign states.

    “Currently, the line of contact has stretched for 815 kilometers. Taking into account the ongoing measures to build up the combat capabilities of groupings of troops, the situation on the front line has stabilized, the main efforts of our troops are focused on completing the liberation of the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic," Gerasimov said.

    Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu inspected the units and checked the conditions for the deployment of personnel in the zone of the special military operation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine. The head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation noted the organization of comprehensive support for the troops in the field.

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/202212221619-QAqmF.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:45 pm

    Note the position of Argentina, where there is a supposed left-wing government, in the vote for Ukraine at the UN.

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    Post  Hole Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:37 pm

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    New batch of armored trucks
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    Percentage of killed civilians in a war (combat dead), "Ukraine" is currently at 2%
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:39 pm

    Like I said it before, Zelensky must not be harmed

    As long as he is feeding apes to the woodchipper he is doing his job

    He needs to be alive, healthy and rich for decades to come in order to serve as a reminder to Ukrainians of their own failures


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    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:57 pm

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    NEW: The United States has trained 3,100 Ukrainians on US-provided weapons since Russia's full-scale invasion: Pentagon data

    • M777 training: 870
    • M113 training: 140
    • M109 training: 310
    • M119 training: 500
    • M120 training: 220
    • HIMARS training: 610
    • Other: 450
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:58 pm

    This is heavy going but worth the read. Not my words.

    Boris Rozhin’s summary of announcements made at Russia’s MoD board meeting yesterday:

    From the statements of Putin and Shoygu at the final collegium of Russia’s Ministry of Defense on the results of the SMO in 2022.

    The interesting parts.

    1. The military potential of almost all NATO countries is used against Russia.
    2. The capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces are constantly growing.
    3. The soldiers and officers participating in the SMO are heroes comparable to the heroes of other wars, including the Great Patriotic War.
    4. The SMO has highlighted a number of issues that “need to be worked on thoroughly.”
    5. In all new territories that have become part of Russia, a safe life for citizens will be ensured.
    6. Russia will continue to strengthen the nuclear triad. Sarmat, Yars, Tsirkon, etc. All of this will go into service. It’s already coming. The nuclear triad is the guarantor of the country’s sovereignty. (The nuclear arms race obliges. And thanks to Comrade Stalin for our nuclear club)
    7. The military-industrial complex and society give the army everything it asks for. (The role of the rear is very important in a long war).
    8. Information from drones should be available to every fighter. Starting from the platoon level. (More drones for the drone god).
    9. In the Ukraine, Russia is confronted by a united West that has already spent $97 billion on this war. A satellite constellation of more than 500 satellites operates in the interests of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine.
    10. The Ukraine uses terrorist methods of warfare and regularly commits war crimes.
    11. 150,000 out of 300,000 mobilized are at the front. This, according to Putin, is enough for the SMO at the current stage. Another 20,000 were added through volunteers. 830,000 people were released from conscription.
    12. Russia will continue to strike at Ukrainian infrastructure.
    13. The system of military registration and enlistment offices should be modernized. The mobilization revealed the problems of the current structure. The reason is that mobilization plans have not been put into action since the Second World War, which is why the problems had to be solved on the fly (which I wrote about on the day the mobilization was announced).
    14. Soldiers and officers who have distinguished themselves in the SMO should be promoted as a matter of priority.
    15. Partial mobilization revealed various problems. It is necessary to hear those who do not hush up the problems. Putin called on Russia’s Defense Ministry to hear and consider even emotional criticism. (In fact, this is a call not to sweep issues under the rug and pretend that everything is fine when not everything is fine).
    16. More than 100,000 people who took part in the SMO received various state awards. 120 people were awarded the Star of the Hero of Russia, some of them posthumously. More than 250,000 military personnel received combat experience in the SMO in the Ukraine. Let me remind you that a little less than 70,000 people served in Syria from 2015 to 2020. Just to have an idea of the scope of the conflict.
    17. The supply of the most demanded weapons for the army has been brought forward from 2024–2025 to 2023. Given the intensification of the work of the military-industrial complex and its operation at full capacity, the volume of deliveries of military equipment to the troops should increase significantly. There are currently no restrictions on the financing of the army, according to Putin’s statement. Expenses for the army will grow, and its combat capabilities should grow accordingly.
    18. According to Shoygu’s statement, two new inter-domain military districts will be created—Moscow and Leningrad.
    19. The build-up of the threat from NATO will require the creation of a new grouping of troops in the north-west of Russia.
    20. The size of the army is proposed to be increased to 1,500,000 people, of which 670,000 will be contract soldiers.
    21. 2 new airborne divisions will be formed (who said the airborne troops were dead?)
    22. It is also proposed to raise the age of conscription from 18 to 21 years, setting the age limit for conscription at 30 years.
    23. The SMO will continue in 2023 until the goals of the SMO are achieved. That’s the way…
    24. Each tank army must contain a mixed aviation division and an army aviation brigade of 80–100 combat helicopters
    25. The transition to outsourcing in 2008–2012 led to a near complete destruction of military repair facilities, since 2012 measures have been taken to rebuild them (hello, defenders of Serdyukov)
    26. The aim of the West in this war is the disintegration of Russia.
    27. For a long time Russia has been trying to integrate into the “civilized West,” but they did not want it there, and now they are trying to “cancel” it. (For 30 years, we have been going in a somewhat wrong direction. Or rather, in a completely wrong direction).
    28. Russia has been trying to build fraternal relations with the Ukraine for a long time, but nothing has worked (a diagnosis, so to speak, of the Ukrainian direction of the Russian policy of the last decade). Despite this, Putin considers the Ukrainian people a brotherly people. What is happening in the Ukraine is a tragedy that is happening through the fault of the West, which carried out a coup d’état in 2014.
    29. A clash with Ukrainian Nazism was inevitable.
    30. Putin has no doubt that all the goals of the SMO in the Ukraine will be achieved. Russia has everything it needs for this.
    31. Russia will not completely switch to a military footing and completely militarize to the detriment of the economy.
    32. In 2023, an increase in the supply of hypersonic weapons is expected.
    33. In 2023, large-scale military exercises West-2023 will be held, focused on repelling the threat emanating from the West.
    34. Putin is grateful to all citizens who are helping our armed forces.
    35. Putin knows the real numbers of losses in the SMO. But there was no other way. War was inevitable. “Better today than tomorrow.”
    36. The Ukraine will soon have nothing left but handouts.

    To summarize the speeches of Putin and Shoygu at the collegium of Russia’s Defense Ministry:

    1. The war with the West in the Ukraine will be long. The course towards achieving the goals of the SMO does not change. For the official list of SMO goals, see Putin’s February 24 speech (plus Kherson and Zaporozhye regions). Unofficial goals can be interpreted quite broadly.

    2. There will be no agreements, because the West is not ready to recognize Russia’s rights to equal treaties with it. We did not fit into the “civilized world.” Fine.

    3. The army will receive more resources—material, financial, human. But without fanaticism, so as not to undermine the economy. The concept of “guns instead of butter” is not our choice. They will try to find a reasonable balance. Next year, the army will receive lots of various weapons, much more than in 2021–2022. There will also be more drones.

    4. Various mistakes of the pre-war period regarding the supply of troops, the mobilization system, repair capacities, underestimation of the role of drones and the concepts of multi-domain operations are indirectly recognized. Criticism of shortcomings is considered desirable.

    5. The army will undergo a fairly significant reform, which is both a consequence of various shortcomings revealed during the SMO, and an increase in the threat from the United States and NATO. The sovereignty of the country will be based on the growth of the capabilities of our nuclear triad as the only reliable guarantor of military-political sovereignty.

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:58 pm

    Yes, Ladimir Elensky should stay alive - at least until the end of the war he can serve Russia well with his incompetent rule. Maybe this cocaine-driven clown will totally freak out once Artyomovsk has fallen and do something really stupid. clown

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    Post  Broski Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:18 pm

    Like I said it before, Zelensky must not be harmed

    As long as he is feeding apes to the woodchipper he is doing his job

    He needs to be alive, healthy and rich for decades to come in order to serve as a reminder to Ukrainians of their own failures
    "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte.
    As long as Zelensky is in power and neonazis are terrorizing half their own populace and forcing them to fight and die for nothing, Russia will have all the justification needed to take Ukrainian territory up to the Dnieper(as a buffer zone) and Nikolaev/Odessa(to prevent attacks from Ukrainian ports and harbors).
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    Post  PhSt Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:26 pm

    Saw a post on TG that Rogozin's injuries were serious. Not sure if true or just Khokhol NATzO propaganda

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:11 am

    Oleg Tsarev is the source, so very likely, it is true.


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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:13 am

    It looks like Greece might deliver S-300PMU1 systems to Ukraine in exchange for receiving new Patriot.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:03 am

    I got a little drunk Smile
    I have to admit that the biggest event of this month is that the world championship title did not go to the EU.  cheers  cheers  cheers  cheers
    Italia does not count, but unfortunately Italia did not participate

    Argentina lifted my spirits like no other - cheers for EUGENIO.  thumbsup
    I just don't like the European countries that are west of Rome and Milan..





    Buenos Aires, a similar spirit as here in Serbia.
    Something like this no longer exists in the subservient and obedient bitch called EU-topistan.

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    Post  PhSt Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:31 am



    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1605989128440406017

    Hopefully they all get exterminated before Christmas russia attack

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    Post  nomadski Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:47 am

    Russia said that criticism of SMO allowed , therefore I will criticise ( easy in retrospect )  , in my view :

    ( 1 )  Calling the war to be SMO from start was wrong . SMO type operations are like hostage rescue operation , involving a few special forces , not 120,000 troops . This resulted in Russia pulling it's punches . Better to have destroyed all the infrastructure important to the Orcs from start .

    ( 2 )  The initial large pincer , was over optimistic , with low density troops over large area . This resulted in psychologically damaging withdrawals .Better to have concentrated all forces around LDPR only . Winning a victory first , then moving on .

    ( 3 )  Once NATO came into war , targeting Russian city and military bases and pipeline , no proportional retaliation , albeit indirectly against NATO . This resulted in escalation by NATO , always pushing the envelope . Better a proxy attack by allies against yank bases .

    ( 4 ) Of course this retaliation would need the backing of the display of Nukes . Not merely the display of delivery mechanism . Better to have carried out a Nuke test in atmosphere or in space , visible on TV .

    ( 5 ) The meat grinder idea , or war of attrition by conventional forces ( including the economic war ) favours the wealthier side , with more resources . The smaller economy , has to fight smart , not hard . The smaller economy is exhausted first . Better to have aimed for a smart war of liberating important ( politically speaking ) territory , by using overwhelming force in Ukraine and prepare for further escalation by NATO and attack in another front , by going Nuclear .

    ( 6 ) The idea of not decapitating the Nazi leadership , because they are incompetent , does not make sense . They are together with NATO backers , making things difficult for Russia . Surely there are competent persons that can be taken out . Yet we see little attempt made by Russia .

    ( 7 ) The Russian speaking civilian populations , living under Nazi rule , have not been armed by small arms to participate in war against Nazis . The partisans of WW2 , were very capable in attacking military targets , and not other civilians . Better arm them now .

    ( 8 ) Identification of tunnel systems locations , is relatively easy . Their destruction is not difficult by simple repeated bombing to block points . Yet as far as I know , these bunkers have been left alone . Allies during WW2 , had better luck destroying underground Nazi ( V1 , V2 ) bunkers , using old technology . Better destroy these bunkers .

    .........

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:56 am

    Since the beginning of the special operation, Western countries have supplied Ukraine with more than 350 tanks, 700 artillery systems, 100 multiple launch rocket systems, 30 helicopters, at least 5,000 drones, 1,000 combat armored vehicles, at least 800 armored vehicles, 5,300 portable anti-aircraft missile systems.

    Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation Gerasimov


    Pay attention to those numbers ...
    Those constitute about pre-2022 :

    1/10 of the Ukrainian inventory of tanks
    1/5 of artillery, in general
    1/10 of helis
    1/4 of APC/IFV
    <1/10 of MANPADS

    And that cleaned and nulled the NATO whole "spare supply", imagine that.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:21 am

    ( 1 ) Calling the war to be SMO from start was wrong . SMO type operations are like hostage rescue operation , involving a few special forces , not 120,000 troops . This resulted in Russia pulling it's punches . Better to have destroyed all the infrastructure important to the Orcs from start .

    That is exactly what it is though... this is not a land grab, or an attempt to steal wealth or natural resources... this was a hostage rescue to save the Ukrainian people from the western government that was installed by illegal foreign funded military coup.

    The mistake was recognising that coup as being legitimate in my opinion.

    ( 2 ) The initial large pincer , was over optimistic , with low density troops over large area . This resulted in psychologically damaging withdrawals .Better to have concentrated all forces around LDPR only . Winning a victory first , then moving on .

    We have discussed this... if they sent the troops all to the Donbass region then the Orcs could have moved all their forces as well which would have required Russia to use ten times more men for no obvious advantage because fighting in the Donbass region was always going to be slow and costly.

    Doing it the way they did it kept the Orcs spread across the whole country till their mobility and armour could be reduced to chunks they can grind up properly.

    ( 3 ) Once NATO came into war , targeting Russian city and military bases and pipeline , no proportional retaliation , albeit indirectly against NATO . This resulted in escalation by NATO , always pushing the envelope . Better a proxy attack by allies against yank bases .

    HATO was a party to the conflict the last 8 almost 9 years, that they are too scared to send in troops officially to defend their so called ally is a real success of how Putin has handled this conflict.

    ( 4 ) Of course this retaliation would need the backing of the display of Nukes . Not merely the display of delivery mechanism . Better to have carried out a Nuke test in atmosphere or in space , visible on TV .

    Anybody uses real nukes and the game is over... both sides take horrendous losses and for nothing because nothing can be gained by using nukes.

    As they mention there is nothing in the Ukraine that would warrant or require the use of nuclear weapons.

    They are not as effective as many seem to believe, yet their use crosses a line from which there is no return meaning they all get used or you risk losing the capacity to use them.

    ( 5 ) The meat grinder idea , or war of attrition by conventional forces ( including the economic war ) favours the wealthier side , with more resources .

    Very true but western sanctions are damaging western income sources including shipping Russian oil and gas, insurance, brokerage for said shipping contracts, not to mention making the west pay five or more times more for their energy than they were paying before, and now the US is paying big money for companies to move to the US... such subsidies will make industry in the EU move to the US... what is that going to do for western unity... especially when the power gets cut...

    The smaller economy , has to fight smart , not hard . The smaller economy is exhausted first . Better to have aimed for a smart war of liberating important ( politically speaking ) territory , by using overwhelming force in Ukraine and prepare for further escalation by NATO and attack in another front , by going Nuclear .

    But Russia has been smart... they have not had to borrow a cent to fund this conflict... energy revenues have been covering the costs, while production in Russia is booming and it is not even in recession... can't really say that for most western countries... the Russian economy is adapting to meet the needs of its own population... no energy shortage at all...

    Going nuclear would be a get out of jail free card for the west... they would love that, because then they can just destroy everything and hope their defences will save them... (they wont).

    The irony is that what Russia is doing means the west is actually destroying itself and Russia isn't taking a fraction of the damage it would take in a nuclear war.


    ( 6 ) The idea of not decapitating the Nazi leadership , because they are incompetent , does not make sense . They are together with NATO backers , making things difficult for Russia . Surely there are competent persons that can be taken out . Yet we see little attempt made by Russia .

    They are making all the mistakes the west is making.... killing them would just mean they would be replaced... they are place holders... killing them would have no real effect because anyone who replaced them now would be more hardline, hardcore... it would probably be Poroshenko who wanted this war all along... and of course after killing Zelensky then his replacement will become much harder to take out... he will likely be based in the Pentagon and never go anywhere near Kiev... which puts him out of range of Russia, but also factions in the Ukraine who don't want the war to continue.

    The best solution for Russia and for the Ukraine is for Ukrainians to overthrow Zelensky and talk to Moscow for peace... but not any time soon... still lots to do.

    ( 7 ) The Russian speaking civilian populations , living under Nazi rule , have not been armed by small arms to participate in war against Nazis . The partisans of WW2 , were very capable in attacking military targets , and not other civilians . Better arm them now .

    Russian speaking populations not happy living in countries that are now part of the west or HATO or both like the baltic states should leave and go to Russia... those baltic states would be nothing without those people...

    Russia could then just completely cut them off... right now there is grain and fertiliser sitting in Baltic ports waiting to be shipped to customers but they are blocking it... why send it through them in the first place... just build a wall and cut them off.

    Kaliningrad needs to be more self sufficient and increased shipping capacity to keep them supplied... perhaps a floating nuke power station for their electricity needs.

    ( 8 ) Identification of tunnel systems locations , is relatively easy . Their destruction is not difficult by simple repeated bombing to block points . Yet as far as I know , these bunkers have been left alone . Allies during WW2 , had better luck destroying underground Nazi ( V1 , V2 ) bunkers , using old technology . Better destroy these bunkers .

    If underground bunkers were such easy targets no one would use them... Everyone uses them.

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    Post  famschopman Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:24 am

    Not surprisingly because for as long as I can remember the average military budget spending, for each and everyone of the NATO participants with the US being the outlier, has been absolutely mediocre. What they had was either old or aging, overdue, insufficient or available in extremely low volume. It was much better to poor all your defense budget in the F35 program.

    I said it before, and I say it again. We will never get a WW2 type of war again as it is economically and industrially not achievable anymore to fund and built large volume of equipment and stock up ammo for any country including the US. What's left is the war of attrition depleting on what has been left in stocks. Time to market for new equipment is insanely high and apparently everything has to be super technological complex versus keeping it simple, cheap and effective and risk aversive.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:13 am

    Don't be so sure about that. War wites own scenarios, and as you can see - Russkie are capable to field hundreds and thousands of pieces of equipment without much struggle.
    Chinese can do 5-6 times more due to economy size.
    As simple as that.
    It is the west that get out of its mind and allowed the MIC run thugs to suck itself dry.

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