Patriot will be very effective like the Buk-M1, because it wont need to turn on its radar almost all. NATO AWACS will allow it to stage ambushes, and russian aircraft will find it almost impossible to detect them because their radar's never turned on. BTW 0 NASAMS or crotale have been confirmed lost so far.
Patriot was not designed to be used like that... it is expected to be used in an environment with full air protection... it takes 30 minutes to set up and consists of a lot of very distinctive vehicles, and yes, it does need to emit radiation to work.
We have no confirmed kills from Crotale or NASAMS either... they might already be sold and sitting in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Libya for the highest bidder.... the western MIC would even support that because it would be embarrassing if it gets destroyed and they can always make up kills for it...
And it will not stop there, Ukraine will at the end of this conflict have many advanced western weapons, more than average NATO member - it is exactly scenario which gives Putin nightmares lol. He did not want NATO on its doors - now he will have NATO fortress and Putin's Russia will be walled out basically from Ukraine, Poland, Baltics, Scandinavia...
Which means of course that the Ukraine must be destroyed in totality, which is why he is talking about years and not weeks or months.
Ukraine is dangerous because it proved to have immense ability to acquire and absorb new technologies with which they did not have previous experience with unheard speed. So far, they proved to be able to do things faster than anyone could imagine.
Ukraine is dangerous because it is psychotic and likes to use new western weapons to kill women and children and civilian targets... to which the west turns a blind eye or even blame the Russians for.
Costs for Russia involvement are skyrocketing and will continue - in human, equipment costs but as well in prestige, economy and politics on global stage. The real weakness for Russia is that it does not have any safety doors out, so it is trapped in conflict that does not bring any big benefits.
You don't understand, the only real cost the west can impose on Russia is to cut all ties and separate Russia from itself and its internationally controlled systems that sustains the west like the US dollar international currency, its insurance and shipping companies, its brokerage companies that are part of international trade, the SWIFT international payment system, access to electronic components... all these things are being used as weapons against Russia now and Russia is responding by finding alternatives... which is actually going to weaken the west and destroying its domination and income from international trade while also taking away the cheap energy they used to get from Russia... cheap energy that is now going to Asia instead.
Not at all. Buks telar can work on its own. Patriot has a central radar with launchers around it so much easier to spot. It is also far less mobile.
Nato AWACS can't see anything at the border of Uk/Ru. It's too far. Awacs have range of 400km against 4th gen fighters. They can't help. Even Kiev sky is too far for them.
It will have to use its radars to find and lock on the target even if it gets data from the US awacs anyway.
I was thinking about this a bit and I can think of three main scenarios... the first and obvious would be to set up one system in secret and one system further back... turn the rear system on and power up but don't turn on the other one and try to ambush anything attacking the activated system with the on but silent system to get a kill they can crow about and claim how amazing Patriot is, the second thought was maybe they want to try to get components from the Kinzhal or Zircon that destroys the Patriot battery... but I think that could back fire... in the 1990s the US Navy held an open international competition for a drone missile to practise air defence... they wanted the cash strapped Russians to enter Moskit (Sunburn... SS-N-22) but they entered an early model AS-17 (Kh-31). It still won and was better than anything any American company could offer in comparison and would bought in significant numbers as the MA-31. And the third option I thought of would be that they would set up the Patriot batteries in the far western areas of Ukraine and turn them on and intercept all sorts of target all the time (if they can... certainly they will be launching at anything and everything) but also have Patriot batteries in Poland firing at targets in the Ukraine too and when the inevitable situation that a Russian Anti Radiation missile hits a target in Poland they can do what they tried to do when the Tu-141 flew threw the air space of several HATO countries, or when an S-300 launched by Kievs forces went in the opposite direction than it should have and landed in Poland, but with more casualties and more indignation because obviously Polish forces taking part in the war are protected by HATO rules (except they aren't).
Tor m2DT will be the best suited as winter is coming. More room for crew and very well adapted for snow terrain.
Not just good for extreme cold and snow and ice, but also for mud and very soft ground... look at the size of the tracks.
Lol Isos I'm the troll yet I've been here longer than you. Grow up.
Ironically a low post count for such a long standing members actually points more to you being a troll that has been activated when required, than someone like LSOS who shares his opinion and thoughts on a regular basis... you know... he discusses.
Unfortunately those discussions have been a bit heated and things were said... but that does not make him a troll, just someone with their own opinions, which are as relevant as anyone elses here...
One aircraft that would be very good to have right now for them is the mig-25 and specially the R version for recco missions at high altitude and high speed with a modern pod and datalink with ground forces.
Actually the MiG-31 is just as fast and the BM model has modern avionics and systems and very long range air to air missiles and anti radiation missiles with rather good range at the altitudes and speeds the MiG-31 operates at.
Ukraine has the s-300.
Old model S-300 with a range of 90km or 120km depending on the missile version.
Won't be good for US weapons, we can say they won't be sold to Middle Eastern clients
Most US clients don't care if it works or not... such purchases are bribes for something else anyway...
Just A very roundabout way of saying nothing has changed which is what I said.
Wow.... what an amazing conclusion... did you work it out for yourself or did you listen finally to someone here who is not a doomsayer who has been saying all along that the Russians are not interested in occupying the entire country so rapid advances don't make sense... slow steady progression that kills lots of enemy troops is what they want to do and have been doing to maximise enemy casualties and minimise their own.
Also please quote me where I said Ukronazis will be in Crimea or Moscow by Christmas? Your attributing things to people that never said it and accusing people of making things up when I clearly proved otherwise, maybe direct your annoyance where its warranted.
You picked the Doomsayer team, the 5th column...
Theres a huge difference between dooming and valid criticism, some of you need to learn the difference.
Yeah, those fucking useless Russian planners... why didn't they accurately predict exactly what Kiev and the west would do... what a bunch of morons, I mean it was obvious to experts like you that war is just a piece of timber that has to be secured to another piece of timber so the only tool you need is a hammer and a few nails and the job is done... the job doesn't change half way through, and no changes can be tolerated because they will be called out as being failures and critical errors... Putin has to go...
Kiev will be proud of your valid criticism...
that only weeks earlier held a referendum and put the lives of many people at risk knowing full well they would abandon them, there have been numerous executions and arrests of civilians both in Kharkov and Kherson since the withdrawals , i guess **** them right? But how dare anyone says anything critical…
I believe those regions took it upon themselves to have those referendums.... Russia didn't hold those referendums, those regions held them... Russia just respected the results.
Holding Russia responsible for the actions of their enemy... OK fine... Russia is evil... whatever.
Poor Bibi. No is stopping Israel from selling their drones to Russia then. Russia wouldn’t mind to have more forpost drones.
Israel refused to sell any newer drones... Iran is prepared to cooperate and I think working together they will both benefit more than any cooperation with any western puppet state, or in the case of Israel puppet master state.
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