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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Dec 25, 2022 3:58 pm

    Not many yet.  Too soon to tell.

    So much for stupid inbred incel NAFO retards and their endless stupid claims about tanks that "don't exist". Razz

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:03 pm

    kvs wrote:The number of trade center fires is totally anomalous in Russia. It is not random and seasonal. Why wouldn't the Kiev regime and
    its NATzO patrons engage in arson?...

    If Russians invested in fire safety there wouldn't be any issues with arson

    Remember that cinema in Siberia where 3 whole classrooms worth of kids got roasted on slow fire? It's Russia problem not arson problem

    If Russia managed to get these shopping malls burned down by bunch of apes then Russia didn't deserve to have these shopping malls in the first place

    Best way to respond to this is to kill more Ukrainians and erase more of their infrastructure

    More working, less pussyfooting





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    Post  Regular Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:32 pm

    Hard to say if there was any improvement changes after Kemerovo, but the laws were amended and inspections became stricter

    Deaths because of fire per year are decreasing. If there is uptick in fires- then arson, most likely politically motivated one is at play. Most of the arson is not reported as one and it’s very hard to catch arsonists, even with all the CCTVs. It’s a world wide problem and all the health and fire safety laws won’t prevent people setting a fire on commercial buildings, unless they are built like jails

    Deaths caused by fires in Russia

    2020: 7,655
    2019: 8,365
    2018: 9,142
    2017: 9,432
    2016: 9,638
    2015: 10,059
    2014: 10,261
    2013: 11,081
    2012: 10,859

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:43 pm

    Yeah I smell Ukro terror-arsonists here.

    Could be the paranoia talking, but it takes some effort and expertise to burn down a shopping mall. Lord knows why they'd target them though. Maybe because there is less security around compared to factories.

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    Post  Regular Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:05 pm

    It’s not like shopping centre fire will leave whole region out of food. There are shops everywhere.
    Also, it only creates more work for firefighters and police, nothing that would help the war effort.

    Petty and dangerous, but still, only a drop in the ocean and even if it’s arson, it will hardly reach pre 2012 scale of fires that occurred due to poor regulations.

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    Post  Regular Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:15 pm

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    New Russian boots Мod 1085 to replace standard issued VKPO (from Ratnik) and others for those in SMO. Probably mobiks will get it. 85k batch.
    https://secretpoint.ru/collection/takticheskaya-obuv-2/product/mod-1085-botinki-bezhevye

    Not a cheap boot for a change, it seems to get decent reviews on VK by hunters/survivalists and etc, a positive change.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:52 pm

    News from the NATOstan-Imposed Meat Grinder, by Pepe Escobar for Strategic Culture Foundation. 12.17.2022.

    No one ever lost money capitalizing on the unlimited nonsense spewed out by the collective deer caught in the headlights also known as Western mainstream media – complete with showering Person of the Year awards on a megalomaniac, cocaine-fueled lousy actor impersonating a warlord.

    The non-stop trashy parade of Western military analysts is now “assessing” that the first targets of an incoming, joint Russia-Belarus attack on the 404 black hole formerly known as Ukraine will be Lviv, Lutsk, Rivne, Zhytomyr, and why not throw Kiev in the mix straight out of a second axis.

    The Russian General Staff is attentively monitoring all the action and may even follow the advice of such “analysts”.

    And then there’s outright panic, as the Ministry of Defense announced that the Strategic Missile Forces have loaded two Yars ICBMs into their intended silos. Cue to widespread shrieks of horror of the “Russia Readies Nuclear Missile Capable Of Striking Deep Into US” variety.

    Some facts though never change. Number One is NATO as a figment of the collective West’s – extremely impaired – imagination. If push ever came to shove – as Straussian/neo-con armchair warriors hope and pray – Russia can conveniently defeat the whole of NATO as there is hardly anything “there”.

    That, of course, would require a massive Russian mobilization. As it stands, Russia may look feeble in a few quarters as they activated at best 100,000 troops against possibly 1 million Ukrainian troops. It’s as if Moscow was not exactly seduced by the idea of “winning” – which may be the case, in a quite twisted way.

    Even now, Moscow has not mobilized enough troops to occupy Ukraine – which, in theory, would be imperative to completely “denazify” the Kiev racket. The operative concept though is “in theory”. Moscow in fact is busy demonstrating a completely new theory – irrespective of the fact that a few exalted souls have been peddling that Putin should be replaced by the FSB’s Alexander Bortnikov.

    "There will be nothing left of the enemy”

    With its array of hypersonic missiles, Russia can knock out all NATO bridges, ports, airports as well as power stations, oil and natural gas storage, Rotterdam oil and natural gas installations, in a matter of a few hours. All energy production equipment across NATOstan would be destroyed. Europe would be shut off from natural resources. A dazed and confused Empire would be unable to move troops, any troops, to Europe.

    And still provocations run unabated. The recent attack by Tu-141 Ukrainian drones against Engels-2 airbase was blamed by Moscow on Kiev – which predictably denied all responsibility. Yet what really mattered was Moscow’s strategic messaging to US/NATO, with Putin flirting with the notion that sooner or later the response may be up a serious notch in case US/NATO weaponry supplied to Kiev is used to strike deep into sensitive Russian Federation territory.

    The current Russian doctrine even allows Moscow to respond with nuclear strikes; after all Engels-2 airbase is home to nuclear-capable bombers, prime strategic assets.

    The drones were certainly launched by infiltrated agents inside Russian territory. If they had originated from outside Russia, and interpreted as nuclear missiles, that could have triggered the launch against NATOstan of hundreds of Russian nuclear missiles.

    Putin himself made it – ominously – quite clear at the Eurasia Economic Council summit in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, a week ago:

    “I assure you, after the early warning system receives a signal of a missile attack, hundreds of our missiles are in the air (…) It is impossible to stop them (…) There will be nothing left of the enemy, because it is impossible to intercept a hundred missiles. This, of course, is a deterrent – a serious deterrent.”

    Not, of course, to the stupidity-corroded Straussian-neocon gang who are actually running American foreign “policy”.

    It’s no wonder reliable Russian intel sources established that the missiles that hit Engels-2 were locally launched, though the Kiev regime desired it to be believed otherwise.

    And that turns the whole charade into a Dadaist farce – with a dazed and confused Empire still bound to a maniac in Kiev who still believes that the Ukrainian S-300 that hit Poland came from Russia. Cue to the whole world – and not only Washington – as hostage to a “Person of the Year” maniac with the – virtual – power of provoking a worldwide nuclear war.

    Red Napoleon in da house

    Meanwhile, on the ground, Russia has gone Deep Operations Strategy, big time. In several spots along the extensive frontline, they attack the points that are most likely to draw out poor Ukrainian reserves hiding in the second line of defense. When reserves come out through barren, muddy lands and terrible roads to the rescue of frontline units, entire battalions are massacred.

    Russians never go deep into the third line – where command and control may be located. What’s in play is attrition warfare under Deep Operations Strategy, straight out of the playbook of the legendary “Red Napoleon”, Field Marshall Mikhail Tukhachevsky.

    Russia saves soldiers, personnel and equipment. The whole thing works wonders in difficult terrain where vehicles get bogged down in rainy roads. This rinse and repeat tactic, day in day out, for months on end has led to (at least) 400,000 Ukrainian casualties. Call it the epitome of Attritional Warfare.

    Historians will relish that the whole scenario resembles the Battle of Agincourt – where wave after wave of French Knights (playing the role of present day Ukrainians, and Polish/NATO mercenaries) kept running uphill against English archers and knights who just stood still and let them come, hitting the second line again and again.

    The difference, of course, is that Russians are employing attritional warfare tactics day after day for six months now, while Agincourt was just one battle in a single day. By the time this meat grinder is over an entire generation of Ukrainians and Poles will have gone to meet their maker.

    The collective West’s myth of a Ukrainian “victory” against the Russian war of attrition does not even qualify as cosmic delusion. It’s a lousy, lethal joke. The only way out would be to sit down at the negotiating table, now, before the hammer (the next Russian offensive) comes down on the anvil (the existing frontline).

    But NATO, of course, as Stultifying Stoltenberg keeps reminding the world, does not do negotiations.

    Which, in a sense, may be a blessing, as NATO may end up breaking up in myriad pieces, totally humiliated on the ground despite all its elaborate warmongering plans.

    Andrei Martyanov has been peerless tracking the collective West’s complete economic, moral, intellectual – and most of all military – degradation, everything drenched in lies, lousy P.R. twists and “stupefying incompetence across the board.”

    All this while Russia prepares “for yet another ‘defeat’, like retaking all of Donbass and then… Who knows what then. A quick win for Russia would be a loss because NATO would still exist. No, Russia has to pace this so as it sucks in NATO into the grinder.”

    Somewhere in her private pantheon, Pallas Athena, Goddess of Geopolitics, is immensely enjoying the show. Oh, wait; she’s actually reincarnated, and her name is Maria Zakharova.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/news-from-the-natostan-imposed-meat-grinder/

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    Post  mnztr Sun Dec 25, 2022 7:27 pm

    The warhead of the Smerch weighs more then the entire TOS missile. So you could actually use a larger one. Fuel air makes a much larger bang as a great deal of the explosive reagent comes from the atmosphere.


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    Post  mnztr Sun Dec 25, 2022 7:29 pm

    New Russian boots Мod 1085 to replace standard issued VKPO (from Ratnik) and others for those in SMO. Probably mobiks will get it. 85k batch. https://secretpoint.ru/collection/takticheskaya-obuv-2/product/mod-1085-botinki-bezhevye Not a cheap boot for a change, it seems to get decent reviews on VK by hunters/survivalists and etc, a positive change. wrote:

    Boots are NOT a good place to save money. You will pay big time in medical and disability costs.

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Dec 25, 2022 7:53 pm

    No negative effect of the conflict on the Ruble.

    Ruble is the best-performing EM currency this year. That's a testament to Russia's underlying strength. The potential for capital inflows and Ruble appreciation in 2023 is huge.

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:08 pm

    Looks to me like the boot was designed by people with some IQ.   It does not have the moronic contoured heel
    you will find in many such boots.   This "feature" typically involves a plastic piece and if you walk in them long enough,
    it will gouge your skin in the Achilles heel section.   At least that is what happens to me.  Maybe others have a better
    experience.  

    Such injuries are not cosmetic and amount to WIA.


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    Post  mnztr Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:37 pm

    Another thing that is super awesome about those boots is they cannot be polished. So less time wasted on that BS Just hose them off.

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    Post  Regular Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:42 pm

    Makes western propaganda about bare-foot mobiks fall flat. And Russia had boots for them in the first place, but they didn't have premium ones. "No expenses spared" is not just empty words.

    Yes, this boot seems to be better than Lowa treks due to it being more rugged, it's not just a trekking boot, but a proper service one.

    I wish in my days I had anything with goretex/one-tex, but back then even 50 euro was way big money for boots. I would never dream of 180+ euro boot.

    During one winter I have developed trench feet and like all idiots with no clue I ignored it. Until my completely white heels came off with the boots leaving exposed flesh. Crappy injury as it didn't get medical leave it was slow to heal, I walked like a ballerina or someone who is holding a shit, and my feet got much weaker skin after healing. Now I imagine this during wartime where how fast you can run can save your life.


    Another thing that is super awesome about those boots is they cannot be polished. So less time wasted on that BS Just hose them off.

    Hahahahha, believe me, there are other ways NCOs can make soldiers busy in peacetime. No one polishes boots in active duty, nor do they sew podvorotnichoks (when they were a thing in Russian army)

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:07 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kamikaze UAV "Lancet" destroys a 155-mm howitzer FH-70
    https://t.me/intelslava/42753

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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:31 pm

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:50 pm

    If Russians invested in fire safety there wouldn't be any issues with arson

    Come on PD, the orcs are arse holes, but they are not idiots... and British fire safety standards have been revolutionised after that tower block burned and all those people died.... NOT.... because they were poor people and no body gives a shit.

    If the orcs want to start a fire in a building in Russia the first thing they would do is damage the fire alarms and fire fighting equipment... just putting a padlock on a fire extinguisher, or take a nail gun and nail shut the fire exit doors and then start your fire... you don't need a gun to kill people... that is just western media with an anti gun agenda... which is hilarious considering the number of guns they are sending to the Ukraine and Saudi Arabia etc etc.

    If Russia managed to get these shopping malls burned down by bunch of apes then Russia didn't deserve to have these shopping malls in the first place

    Are you 12?

    A shopping mall isn't a reward for having good fire safety rules and regulations... and you can have state of the art best rules and regulations in the world... if everyone ignores the rules or bribes the officials so they don't apply in your slum building so you can pack 50 homeless people in instead of the 20 you should be allowed so you get an extra 30 slave workers... well no rules or laws will save you.

    Yeah I smell Ukro terror-arsonists here.

    The problem is whether they had anything to do with it or not they are going to take credit for it because their pay masters in the west love to see Russians die or be injured...

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    Post  DerWolf Sun Dec 25, 2022 11:58 pm

    According to Ukraine, Russia will soon launch a offensive in Liman direction. Might be true taking the account the build up of Russian forces with new T-90M tanks there.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 26, 2022 3:22 am

    According to the Ukraine the Russians are the bad guys.

    I suspect the Russians will be doing all sorts of things to make Kiev uncertain and keep them guessing.

    Russia has much better control of what videos and images get released than the west seems to have.... what picture are they trying to paint and what picture would suit them best?


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    Post  Serberus Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:39 am

    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/3809
    “Reports of explosions at Engels air base, another ukie UCAV perhaps“
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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:49 am

    So what is going on at Engels?
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    Post  Serberus Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:54 am

    No idea but most likely another attempted drone attack judging by that short video.
    Waiting for confirmation, its still early over there.
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    Post  PhSt Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:55 am

    So what is going on at Engels?

    Two explosions were reported. the Pukranian NAZIS have been targeting one of Russia's facilities hosting parts of its NUCLEAR TRIAD. This strike is most likely assisted by NATzO intelligence. Attacks on Russia's nuclear facilities should be a BIG RED LINE. Russia will need to answer with a Devastating response. Perhaps launch 200+ cruise missiles tomorrow, pulverize the Pukranian Rada building, or drop a couple of FOABs in major Pukrainian cities. And then make a clear statement in the UN that attacks on Russia's nuclear sites will not go unanswered.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:56 am

    So how do any of you know this is Engels? And who would be filming?

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