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    Post  Mir Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:23 pm

    I guess any active radar would do - perhaps even a cargo plane?
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:29 pm

    The P version back in the 80s was capable to be programmed in flight for desired frequency, as the very first Ch-31 was set for the specified NATO system before the flight. Not very flexible.
    What bothers me here is if they shoot at a plane or a radar - can't figure that out by the HUD markings, I don't know them.
    Some new acronyms for me.

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:42 pm

    Where do you see it's an airvorne target ? If the target is 100km away then it won't point immediately down in front of the aircraft but point the horizon which is the case here.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:48 pm

    If Russia seizes Ukraine, will Ukrainian remain as a official language in Ukraine?
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    Post  Mir Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:49 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If Russia seizes Ukraine, will Ukrainian remain as a official language in Ukraine?

    Why did you "dislike" Alamo's post?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:50 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If Russia seizes Ukraine, will Ukrainian remain as a official language in Ukraine?

    I would say yes, tho Russia isn't taking all of Ukraine
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:51 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    So , I am starting to think that the attack on airfield in Crimea was also done by manned operatives , instead of missiles . Since this latest attack on Helicopter base is done by operatives , some 800 km , inside Russia ? The solution is to allow personnel already stationed there to form security core to watch for saboteurs , day and night , but particularly night time using scopes . A shift system can be brought in . Regarding destroying port facility in Odessa , I think it is not good idea . Since Russia can use them to do trade in future by Russian population . Or use port for marine landing . Best target ships at sea by inspection and also demand Royalties as compensation  for cost of war . Why are Bridges on  Dnieper still standing ?  Allowing a meat-grinder to invite meat to grind by " superior " fire power , assumes the existence of such machine . Not one that retreats under fire , and can not grind the said meat . Oh , I see , it is to allow new Italian Tanks to deploy after crossing Bridge ? Russia has no chance of going that far West , nor is it a good idea . So destroy those Bridges already !


    In the Crimea it was done by small commercial drones, launched maybe 1-2km at most from the perimeters of these ammo depots
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:01 pm

    Mir wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If Russia seizes Ukraine, will Ukrainian remain as a official language in Ukraine?

    Why did you "dislike" Alamo's post?
    By accident. It's fine now.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:02 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If Russia seizes Ukraine, will Ukrainian remain as a official language in Ukraine?

    It still is in the Crimea

    Not in the DNR and LNR though

    Don't know about the Kherson and Zaporozhie regions

    So, anyone's guess
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:03 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If Russia seizes Ukraine, will Ukrainian remain as a official language in Ukraine?
    Ukrainian, albeit not really used, still remain as one of the official languages in Crimea.

    Probably not for Donbass, but there would not be any problem in leaving it as second official language in places like Poltava or Kiev region.  Of course, it would be better to remove galicisms and call it back with the name of "Malorussian".

    As far as places like Lvov, Ternopol, ivano-frankovsk, etc, they should not be left to Poland or the west, but probably also not included directly in Russia. Maybe a solution like what Puerto Rico is for US
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:12 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    It still is in the Crimea
    Not in the DNR and LNR though
    Don't know about the Kherson and Zaporozhie regions
    So, anyone's guess

    It is still being used in the whole of Russia. A few million refugees do speak, you know Embarassed
    One of the things that give the overall picture is how the Ukrainians themselves describe the situation in the Russian Federation.
    Nobody harasses them for using Ukrainian, or mixed and obvious accents.
    While they are being harassed, offended, and threatened while being in their nominally "own" country, but in Lvov or Vinnitsa.
    This difference is devastating. For them.
    They are bloody refugees internally displaced in their own country. Bullying them due to having "moskali accent" is something unfuckinbelievable, and gives a perfect example of what is a difference of the Ukropistan compared to the non existing anymore Ukraine.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:12 pm

    More intrigue about the downed helicopters yesterday



    Seems both a Russian (Wagner) and Ukrainian one were downed by MANPADs then. On the same day?

    And..
    Izd. 305 launched by a Ka-52 striking a target

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:20 pm

    Oh, so now using over expensive missiles is a sign of doom?
    What next in a scenario? scratch
    Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:22 pm

    After the 13 million$ kh-101 they have the 250 000$ atgm.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:31 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If Russia seizes Ukraine, will Ukrainian remain as a official language in Ukraine?
    Ukrainian, albeit not really used, still remain as one of the official languages in Crimea.

    Probably not for Donbass, but there would not be any problem in leaving it as second official language in places like Poltava or Kiev region.  Of course, it would be better to remove galicisms and call it back with the name of "Malorussian".

    As far as places like Lvov, Ternopol, ivano-frankovsk, etc, they should not be left to Poland or the west, but probably also not included directly in Russia. Maybe a solution like what Puerto Rico is for US

    It won't be an issue in Lvov, Ternopol, ivano-frankovsk, etc. Those rat-infested shitholes are going to be depopulated. No languages necessary Twisted Evil

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:36 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Oh, so now using over expensive missiles is a sign of doom?
    What next in a scenario? scratch
    Laughing Laughing

    I'm calling BS on that claim of 1x LMUR costing $250K equivalent. Source?

    Yeah, it will be more expensive than Ataka or Vikhr, but 4x for a million bucks? Suspect This ain't the US MIC after all...

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    Post  Firebird Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:40 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If Russia seizes Ukraine, will Ukrainian remain as a official language in Ukraine?

    Well in 2014 (even AFTER the last lawful govt chose to join the Eurasian Union) Putin suggested a federalisation of the Pukraine.

    That would mean each oblast having much greater control over its own affairs eg the West in the EU, the East in Eurasian Union (just as Denmark and Greenland are split over EU membership).

    With normal Russian relations there is a feeling the artificially promoted "Ukrainian language" would become far less relevant and begin to wither away from where it is now.

    Clearly Pukrainian was a tool to promote hatred vs Russian speakers, to destabilise and cause chaos and ultimately ethnically cleanse Ru speakers from the Pukraine. They cant even get the juntas leaders speaking Pukrainian! haha

    Russia I suspect will be firm with Russophobic hate but allow Pukrainian in the same way it allows 120 nationalities in the Ru fedn to speak their own language.
    Russian language will however regain its full status.

    How long/if Pukrainian is given any status will depend on Pukrainian speakers being reasonable.
    I am sure there are a lot of antiRussian hate crimes that could be prosecuted. And such vermin may find they are better off cleaning toilets in the EU. And I say good riddance to them.
    I wont exactly be sad if we see the end of Pukrainian as an offcial language, tho I cant see it happening in the West. Soft power will be important for Russia when the Yankster demons are locked out and the Banderafilth are all dead/jailed/fleeing.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:50 pm

    Do Ukrainian leaders speak Russian?
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    Post  nomadski Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:12 pm

    Mir wrote " Again - all the trolls screamed "super wunderwaffe!" that did not exist. It was clear from day one it was either saboteurs or an accident. Can't believe you're only "starting to think" it was not a missile attack. " My mind must have been in a vegetative state , taking a long time deciding !


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vjDjCv-ekM

    I heard myself say that the Orcs can become very strong , so strong that then can hit all Russian planes and missiles in the air , and they can cross the Bridges with Tanks while Russians are still in the East , nowhere near the River . The Russians wishing they had destroyed Bridges , whilst they still could .

    I heard myself say that the Orcs can become weak , so weak that they can not hit nothing in the air , and they can not cross the Bridges to the East , while Russians are next to the River and ready to cross . And then the Orcs wishing they had  destroyed  the Bridges , whilst they still could .

    Destroying the Bridges now , while both sides can , is everyone's wishes coming true .


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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:17 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    I'm calling BS on that claim of 1x LMUR costing $250K equivalent.  Source?
    Yeah, it will be more expensive than Ataka or Vikhr, but 4x for a million bucks? Suspect   This ain't the US MIC after all...

    We don't discuss crystal clear things Laughing

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    Post  franco Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:27 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Do Ukrainian leaders speak Russian?

    Yes, actually most speak Russian better then Ukrainian... What!!
    Pure Ukrainian was only spoken by a small minority in Western Ukraine. Most Ukrainians spoke a mixture of of Ukrainian and Russian and 37.5% called themselves "Russian speakers" in the last census before 2014.


    You really don't know who or what you are supporting do you. No Suspect

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:29 pm

    I do not support Ukraine.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:33 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I do not support Ukraine.

    Excellent. No-one should. They are evil cnts and their despicable ideology will be ERADICATED, along with their fake nation.

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    Post  auslander Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:39 pm

    Ukrainian is and was regarded as a village dialect of Russian. Most 'educated' Russians, and orcs for that matter, speak Russian. My spoken Russian is hideous and damned small, just enough to cornfuse the road cops on the rare time we have a conversation. On the other hand VCO speaks fluent 'American' English and speaks some Brit English. Our children speak fluent English, Russian and German although Kristl'Yannah is a bit rusty on her German. I'll address that problem when the show times come in March or so. We use only German for commands during the shows. There is a reason for that little foible....

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