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    Post  calripson Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:36 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
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    They are panicking are trying to save their own a**es. Taking the time to destroy the tank is not their priority at the moment. Shows poor morale and poor leadership.


    It is obvious that you are a **** who only appears with the aim of spreading pro-Western propaganda.
    Bro, I've been here barely 10+ months and I'm a SUPERPOWER to you with twice as many posts. Go shit and leave the water behind, stinker, because you just stink here and you don't matter to anyone.. Laughing

    You should apply for a job in Putin's inner circle. You have the critical thinking skills of an acorn squash.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:41 pm

    calripson wrote:
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    Arrow wrote:

    They are panicking are trying to save their own a**es. Taking the time to destroy the tank is not their priority at the moment. Shows poor morale and poor leadership.


    It is obvious that you are a **** who only appears with the aim of spreading pro-Western propaganda.
    Bro, I've been here barely 10+ months and I'm a SUPERPOWER to you with twice as many posts. Go shit and leave the water behind, stinker, because you just stink here and you don't matter to anyone.. Laughing

    You should apply for a job in Putin's inner circle. You have the critical thinking skills of an acorn squash.

    I rather believe in a country that now has over 150 million and has defeated all the invaders from the West, the ones you admire. Laughing
    And a gullible dumbass, that is you, cannot understand that. You're irrelevant, stinker, your work on the forum shows how irrelevant you are...
    Look at this flag and cry ! russia

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:51 pm

    The condition of that T-90 doesn't look very good. We don't even know if the the Russians didn't throw a grenade or something inside or disabled the electronics as is.

    And where is the tanks position from where it was grabbed? Me thinks it got damaged during battle, wasn't worth taking and left afterwards when troops moved away. Judging by Ukraines lack of turning captured stuff back into use indicates damage is worst. Russia on other hand does put captured Ukrainian stuff into service. And they do it in the DNR as well so it isn't like most modern manufacturing and repair plant.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:51 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    Ironically, captured Russian T-72B3 is towing abandoned Russian T-90.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:59 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
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    Ironically, captured Russian T-72B3 is towing abandoned Russian T-90.

    Ukraine made knockoffs of the B3 earlier on the conflict and right before it.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:03 pm

    May it not be true Mad

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:06 pm

    Better hope it isn't thats because that deal is a big fat L for the russians.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:11 pm

    For the clueless caveman who likes to pretend to be smart and always turns out to be stupid - the one with the picture of the mountain.
    T-72B3 tanks NEVER had Kontakt-1 on the side of the tank, but those tanks have either 3 screens with Kontakt-5 ERA (model 2011) or Relict ERA on the model 2016.

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    T-72B3 (model 2011); 3 screens with Kontakt-5 ERA on the side of the tank. The turret of the tank is still Kontakt-5 because only tanks with a turret welded from sections (T-90A and T-90M) have Relict ERA on the turret..


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    T-72B3 (model 2016); Relict ERA on the side of the tank..The turret of the tank is still Kontakt-5 because only tanks with a turret welded from sections (T-90A and T-90M) have Relict ERA on the turret..The side of the turret has Relict armor..

    Learn the difference once and for all.

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    Post  famschopman Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:13 pm

    Why would Russia want to take a deal in the first place. Don't get it, really don't. There was momentum, winter is coming and should hugely favor Russia, Ukraine is running out of trained lemmings already mobilizing women, Nato stockpiles are depleted, western armor cannot handle the stress and is failing, western air defense supplies cannot be supplied and are in backorder.

    There is nothing in terms of Western leverage anymore either. The NS1 and NS2 infra is toast, economic sanctions didn't have the desired effect, BRICS partnership is stronger than ever and growing. If there was a perfect moment in time to push through, make progress and gain a stronghold on forward positions, it was like ... now. drunken

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:17 pm

    famschopman wrote:Why would Russia want to take a deal in the first place. Don't get it, really don't. There was momentum, winter is coming and should hugely favor Russia, Ukraine is running out of trained lemmings already mobilizing women, Nato stockpiles are depleted, western armor cannot handle the stress and is failing, western air defense supplies cannot be supplied and are in backorder.

    There is nothing in terms of Western leverage anymore either. The NS1 and NS2 infra is toast, economic sanctions didn't have the desired effect, BRICS partnership is stronger than ever and growing. If there was a perfect moment in time to push through, make progress and gain a stronghold on forward positions, it was like ... now. drunken

    Alright you made a lot of false claims, fact is Ukraine still has many many of age men to fight, and NATO stockpiles are just fine and no western armor is failing that even depends what you mean by armor because Ukraine doesn't have western tanks.

    The fact is people such as yourself has constantly said Ukraine doesn't have anymore of that or that, NATO has no more ammo etc and events constantly prove you wrong, really its getting tiring hearing the same crap over and over that are just flat out lies

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    Post  famschopman Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:37 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The fact is people such as yourself has constantly said Ukraine doesn't have anymore of that or that, NATO has no more ammo etc and events constantly prove you wrong, really its getting tiring hearing the same crap over and over that are just flat out lies

    So, you mean the Western artillery like for ex. the P2000 is not transported back for refurbishment due to extreme early wear and tear? And all the warnings about resource depletion and inadequate stocks to guarantee safety are also incorrect, and the promised air defense systems are delivered and not - as was said - still need to be built before they can be delivered, and the military capable population of Ukraine - excl. the ones the already fled the country - hasn't been severely impacted?

    I am not saying it will be a walk in the park, but the situation today is massively different compared to months ago and Russia should be able to relatively easy move forward, especially in an area pretty much adjacent to Russian territory which should give no problems at all in terms of logistics, and air superiority should be - referring to the massive destruction of air defenses - a given.

    And as you've noticed, I liked your response, ... you can still have an argument with each other and differ over opinion


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:50 pm

    famschopman wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The fact is people such as yourself has constantly said Ukraine doesn't have anymore of that or that, NATO has no more ammo etc and events constantly prove you wrong, really its getting tiring hearing the same crap over and over that are just flat out lies

    So, you mean the Western artillery like for ex. the P2000 is not transported back for refurbishment due to extreme early wear and tear? And all the warnings about resource depletion and inadequate stocks to guarantee safety are also incorrect, and the promised air defense systems are delivered and not - as was said - still need to be built before they can be delivered, and the military capable population of Ukraine - excl. the ones the already fled the country - hasn't been severely impacted?

    I am not saying it will be a walk in the park, but the situation today is massively different compared to months ago and Russia should be able to relatively easy move forward, especially in an area pretty much adjacent to Russian territory which should give no problems at all in terms of logistics, and air superiority should be - referring to the massive destruction of air defenses - a given.

    Okay lets say that is true and they did send a P2000 back for repair due to use, that is not the same as "Failing" it means the weapon has simply been used so much it requires repair, which goes for idk every single VEHICLE ON EARTH. So yes you did lie.

    I have seen these "reports" but they are always taken out of context and ammo is very easy to replace.

    Promising something and NOT delivering it is also not what FAILING means.

    Maybe you do not know english well idk but the point is all of your statements were just lies using words out of context or you simply do not understand English well enough to get what you are saying which is something I can understand.
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:54 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:For the clueless caveman who likes to pretend to be smart and always turns out to be stupid - the one with the picture of the mountain.
    T-72B3 tanks NEVER had Kontakt-1 on the side of the tank, but those tanks have either 3 screens with Kontakt-5 ERA (model 2011) or Relict ERA on the model 2016.
    Adding some Kontakt-1 on the sides and welding slat armor is one day job. And we've seen that Ukrainians did similar jobs with captured Russian equipment in the past.
    But, if it helps you with coping easier, be my guest.
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    Post  Azi Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:59 pm

    famschopman wrote:Why would Russia want to take a deal in the first place. Don't get it, really don't. There was momentum, winter is coming and should hugely favor Russia, Ukraine is running out of trained lemmings already mobilizing women, Nato stockpiles are depleted, western armor cannot handle the stress and is failing, western air defense supplies cannot be supplied and are in backorder.

    There is nothing in terms of Western leverage anymore either. The NS1 and NS2 infra is toast, economic sanctions didn't have the desired effect, BRICS partnership is stronger than ever and growing. If there was a perfect moment in time to push through, make progress and gain a stronghold on forward positions, it was like ... now. drunken
    Maybe because of this?
    Azi wrote:I don't believe in a very bad state of the Russian army, nor that even a single NATO country is officially sending soldiers...it's much more likely that it's going to be cold in Russia now and the Russian elite in Moscow and St. Petersburg want to spend their time in theirs Villas in Spain, Cyprus and Italy wants. Some luxury yachts have also been cashed in and the rich want them back...that's why the new Russian territories are just bargaining chips and the citizens in the new territories are just second-class people and dirt from the perspective of rich Muscovites.

    Does anyone seriously believe that Russia would have evacuated Kursk or Belgorod if the Ukrainian army had advanced? One would fight to the last breath here or use tactical nuclear weapons. As a Russian in the new territories, I would feel very very fooled! You lose everything...house, yard, livelihood, neighbors, friends just so a few rich people will get their toys back.
    Russians are europeans...they act, think, love the same way like people in Germany, UK, France or elsewhere in the "western" world. "Western world" means nothing than european culture...even USA is 100 % european...the history, the people, the mindset! You can't just brush aside millennia! Yes, it's true that Russia also has asian roots, not to mention the geography...but the european influence is too big.

    Russia has always sought recognition, influence and admiration in the European family and this will not go away overnight. The Russian elites are too western, they will certainly have difficulty accepting a loss of quality of life. You could see it in the traitors who fled before the mobilization. There are only a few, but unfortunately these few have good jobs and a relatively large amount of influence.

    Putin's ideas and thoughts are good and he is a great man, but the population is not ready for a war in Ukraine. They can only be mobilized en masse if Russia is attacked on a broad front, this indirect and subliminal attack via Ukronazis goes unnoticed by most Russians. It's a hybrid war by NATO against Russia and most people are too dumb to get it. Most Russians will be happy again to buy IPhones, visit Starbucks and vacation in the EU...the rich will be cruising around in their luxury yachts and so on...Unfortunately, that is the sad truth!

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    Post  Hole Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:10 pm

    famschopman wrote:If there was a perfect moment in time to push through, make progress and gain a stronghold on forward positions, it was like ... now. drunken
    Well, not now but in 2 to 3 weeks. The weather plays a role in timing the offensive.


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    Pavlovka, motherf...  censored
    You know, the brigade of Marines that was destroyed a few days ago, according to unnamed sources.  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:16 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:I have only one conclusion from all this and that is that Russia wants a long war, not only to break Ukroshitstan but also to cause a drastic economic decline in Europe.
    The Russians show neither panic nor reasons to hurry with the mobilization and delivery of new units. I mean the Russian military command and the army - not the idiots who sit in armchairs and fart into space.
    Although most think only of winter and how Europe will cope with winter, the cessation of the supply of Russian energy and other essential raw materials also means a difficult future springs, summers, autumns and winters...


    No-one wants a long war

    It's just the optimal strategy from the Russian POV. NATO has a lot of forces it can pour in. And Russia would rather grind the Ukrainians down separately first. And out in the open, rather than coming to them in every Mariupol, Avdeevka and Pavlovka

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