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    Post  thegopnik Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:30 pm

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1580949607646867456



    weather beginning to drop

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    Post  Backman Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:34 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    What is simplistic is to deny the correlation between how the war goes, and this internal contradiction in the elite

    And then wonder why such dumb things happen like Ukro terrorism , when they are incentivized by a traitorous elite that sell out the national interests to retain their power
     
    There's no political will to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure, as it is seen in example of latest Putin's speech. 
    Since he, usually, says in his speeches what he thinks, there's no plan for that or complete annexation of Ukrainian state.

    They wanted to stop the export of electricity. And they say that the big electricity service that trains rely on is offline. But basic civilian power is for small things is available.

    I'm not saying i agree with this method.

    Russia can't annex all of Ukraine. They should annex another whole row of territories though. And after that , make a new Ukraine. East Ukraine or Federal republic of Ukraine. Then they could deploy forces into the cities with Ukraine patches on their arm and Ukraine flags on the tanks.


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    Post  Backman Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    So the fault lies with peace party who advocated for the brotherly people, including matvienko and FlamingPython himself if you recall wept and gnashed his teeth for the brothers

    No I didn't, I was against the war itself - because I knew there would be no flowers or other bullshit, and the population there has long been zombified. And that it would turn into a years long slog. Which it has, only not in the way I imagined in the sense of a long anti-insurgency campaign, but full-scale conventional war for all this time and with no sign of yet abating.
    I think having reservations over an enterprise that has turned out quite like this was justified. Being as it was we knew less at the time than we do know.

    But as for the zombification, I'm sure even Putin and the other higher-ups knew about it.
    There are of course times when leaders and such are blinded by hubris and wishful thinking. But Putin as an ex-KGB man is simply not the type to fall out of rationality.
    Simply put, the Russian leadership knew the risks, and that Russian tanks won't be welcomed in the Ukraine - but the war became inevitable anyway and given the necessity of invasion; why not try to make deals swing cities over to your side (it did work in Kherson) since that is so.

    Your discourse on the 'peace party' and internal traitors is thus overly simplistic; there was no Medinsky or Medvechuk who could have convinced Putin over all his own advisers and intelligence.
    But this narrative serves the purpose of this little faction war in Russia between the hawks and the doves - or the right-wingers and the liberals - and who should have more influence over post-war Russian politics. Keep it to yourself, in this thread we're primarily just interested in the war itself.

    I dont think the question of the Ukraine population has even been answered yet. It is the military that is fighting as a unit against Russia everywhere. The military is aligned to the Western partisan regime. It is defending Donbas as if it were Lvov.

    So far , the populations have cooperated and welcomed Russia. Even parts of the population that showed visible allegence to Kiev before the war.

    Russia has to move further west to answer that question. Maybe the population will be welcoming to Russia even in central Ukraine. We don't know yet

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    Post  Kiko Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:15 pm

    Putin: Russia will suspend the grain deal if it turns out it was used for a terrorist attack. 10.14.2022.


    [size=39]Russia to suspend grain deal if it turns out that the explosives for the Crimean bridge were transported by sea.[/size]


    The FSB stated that the explosives used to blow up the Crimean bridge were delivered by sea from Odessa, President Vladimir Putin said.



    He added that it is not yet possible to say for sure whether a grain carrier was used to transport explosives, RIA Novosti reports .



    At the same time, Putin warned that if it turns out that the cargo was delivered by a grain carrier, this would call into question the existence of humanitarian corridors under the grain deal.



    https://vz.ru/news/2022/10/14/1182242.html


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    Post  Hole Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:20 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29 - Page 4 Ffcpe410
    Pinsk, 20km from the border with 404
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    Post  Arrow Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:21 pm

    At the same time, Putin warned that if it turns out that the cargo was delivered by a grain carrier, this would call into question the existence of humanitarian corridors under the grain deal. wrote:

    This is how Putin's compromises end.

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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:36 pm

    Kiko wrote:Putin: Russia will suspend the grain deal if it turns out it was used for a terrorist attack. 10.14.2022.


    [size=39]Russia to suspend grain deal if it turns out that the explosives for the Crimean bridge were transported by sea.[/size]


    The FSB stated that the explosives used to blow up the Crimean bridge were delivered by sea from Odessa, President Vladimir Putin said.



    He added that it is not yet possible to say for sure whether a grain carrier was used to transport explosives, RIA Novosti reports .



    At the same time, Putin warned that if it turns out that the cargo was delivered by a grain carrier, this would call into question the existence of humanitarian corridors under the grain deal.



    https://vz.ru/news/2022/10/14/1182242.html

    Why the grain deal was even made in the first place is a mystery. All of us skeptics knew some bullshit would arise from it.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:41 pm


    Belgorod under fire from HIMARS. Energy station.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:44 pm

    Argentinaguard, can you forget writing about Jews for God's sake. 😁😁😁😁I don't like communists either, but I wrote it and why, I won't repeat it.
    ALAMO, some forum member with the profile name "deep throat" dislikes your comment. You have drawn the wrath of the gay lobby on yourself, mate.. 😁😁

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    Post  LMFS Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:50 pm

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    Ukrainian planes that attacked Belgorod were shot down in front of the airfield: details

    On October 13, the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on Belgorod. An hour before the shelling, MiG-29A and Su-27s of the Ukrainian Air Force with American AGM-88C/D missiles were conducting reconnaissance of the Russian borders. The targets of the fighters were supposed to be the Pantsir, Buk and S-300 air defense systems located in the regions of the Belgorod region bordering Ukraine.

    For the attack, the AFU pilots used a low-altitude flight with a short "jump" to an altitude of 3.5-5 thousand meters to launch missiles. They used this technique before the attack on Kherson. So the Ukrainian aviation tried to check the location of the Russian air defense system both in Novaya Kakhovka and on the line of combat collision.

    An attempt to "open" the Russian air defense system in Belgorod resulted in the loss of both aircraft for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The vehicles were shot down near the village of Shishaki, in the airspace over the Poltava region. According to the Military Chronicle, at the moment when both pilots requested landing at the Mirgorod airbase, two rockets exploded in the rear hemispheres of the vehicles.

    According to the Military Chronicle, the Su-27 and Su-24MR of the Ukrainian Air Force were shot down from a distance of 217 km. Target illumination at such a range for air defense systems could be carried out by an A-50 reconnaissance and target designation aircraft. A 9M82MV missile of the S-300V4 complex could be used to shoot at the AFU fighters from such a distance. Its maximum launch range is 350 km, and its flight speed is 7.5 M (9187 km/h).

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    Post  famschopman Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:05 pm

    And they need the A-50 for illumination because the jets are under the radar horizon of the S300 right?

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:11 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29 - Page 4 Ffcy5a10
    Wagner preparing for a new concert
    That's DNR. No Wagner around Avdeevka.

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    Post  Backman Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:31 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    This is how Putin's compromises end.

    Fool me once.... The fact that they used this humanitarian deal to carry out a terrorist attack better convince Putin that there is nothing to talk about with the US.

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    Post  Isos Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:44 pm

    lol1

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    Post  nomadski Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:56 pm

    Did the Ukrainian farmers know ( and approve of using cargo ships for Crimea Bridge  attacks ) about this ? Or was it the Ukronazi scum , who plan to set them against Russia ? Cutting electricity to civilian population permanently , will not kill them , but it will kill any military industry depending on it . Civilians can live by Candlelight . A bit romantic for them ? Power from NPP in West Ukraine , can be cut safely , by destroying the output power lines they supply electricity by . The Zaporozhia NPP will be hit in return , and all areas , including Russian sector will be in darkness . The Russian population can live by Candlelight . A bit romantic for them . But Russian military industry will not stop , it does not depend on it . It is further East ! Will stopping grain shipments , set the farmers against Ukronazi scum ? Well allowing them to export grain , did not set them against the Nazis . And there is no such thing as neutrality in this world . Fairytales .

    Belarusian movements a feint ? Yes they will attack and the Nazis will faint !


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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:03 pm

    It looks like some bureaucrats in MoD felt threatened:

    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/29123

    9 Russian military correspondents and bloggers, including I. Strelkov, are at risk of being charged with discrediting the RF Armed Forces.

    "These are: Igor Strelkov, Semyon Pegov (WarGonzo), Yuri Podolyaka, Vladlen Tatarsky, Sergey Mardan, Igor Dimitriev, the authors of GreyZone, Rybar and, suddenly, K. Potupchik. The content in their TG channels is already being analyzed for fakes, discrediting and other prohibited and punishable content," writes Mash.
    ▪According to the media, a statement to Roskomnadzor demanding to check the materials of the authors was allegedly signed, and in the Prosecutor General's Office the case is being handled by the head of the department for supervision over the implementation of the law on federal security, terrorism, extremism and interethnic relations. "The reason is criticism of the Ministry of Defense and its decisions during the special operation."
    ▪"How long the check will last is unknown. But if the offense and guilt are established, the military correspondents will receive fines or up to 3 years in prison."
    We don’t know if this is true, but Margarita Simonyan, close to the first persons of the country, RT, voiced her opinion:
    "In our trenches today they have been discussing all day that someone is preparing criminal cases against patriotic military correspondents."
    Even if someone came up with such an idea, then "nothing like this can happen. Because it's impossible."

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    Post  famschopman Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:12 pm

    That Russian television presenter said worse things

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:14 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    Belgorod under fire from HIMARS. Energy station.


    It's this that upset me when Russians retreated from Kharkov. It give more place for Ukrainian artillery and strike Russian cities from there. Unlike Tochka, Himars are smaller can be fired in numbers and yet have same amount of precision.

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    Post  franco Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:30 pm

    Ten servicemen returned to the LPR as a result of an exchange

    As a result of the exchange of prisoners of war with Kiev, 10 servicemen returned to the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR). This was announced on October 14 by the regional Ombudsman Victoria Serdyukova.

    "They are currently undergoing rehabilitation, and doctors and psychologists are working hard with them," she said.

    Earlier, on October 13, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that 20 Russian servicemen were returned from the territory of Ukraine controlled by the Kiev regime. It was noted that all released servicemen receive the necessary psychological and medical assistance.

    Earlier, on June 29, it became known that an exchange of prisoners took place between Russia and Ukraine. The next day, this information was confirmed by the Russian Defense Ministry. The ministry clarified that the operation was carried out on the direct instructions of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    The special operation to protect the Donbass, which the Russian leader announced on February 24, continues. The decision to hold it was made against the background of the aggravation of the situation in the region due to shelling by the Ukrainian military. So far, the LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions have been reunited with the Russian Federation as a result of the referendum.

    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.51cca69f-6349b67c-f72a7ba0-74722d776562/https/iz.ru/1410108/2022-10-14/desiat-voennosluzhashchikh-vernulis-v-lnr-v-rezultate-obmena

    NOTE: it was previously reported that 32 Ukrainian servicemen were sent in the other direction.

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    Post  franco Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:33 pm

    Peskov clarified Putin's words about the timing of the completion of partial mobilization

    The words of Russian President Vladimir Putin about the timing of the completion of partial mobilization mean that in two weeks it will end, said the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov.

    "The President said that, it turns out, before the end of the month [mobilization] will be completed. And the president also said that he had not received any proposals for additional mobilization measures from the Ministry of Defense. This means that partial mobilization will be completed, " he told reporters.

    Putin announced the end of partial mobilization in Russia by the end of the month during a press conference in Astana. According to him, 222 thousand people have been mobilized in Russia to date. The President also explained the need for partial mobilization. As the Russian leader noted, " it is impossible to hold the contact line in 1,100 km by troops consisting only of contract soldiers."

    On October 6, the head of state approved amendments to the decree on granting a deferral from conscription for military service on mobilization. The extension of the conditions for granting a deferral became known the day before. The list of temporarily released from service includes full-time and part-time students who are receiving an appropriate level of education for the first time.

    Earlier, on October 4, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu instructed the General Staff to provide draft commissions and military commissars with explanations on the issue of postponements in the framework of partial mobilization as soon as possible.

    Partial mobilization in Russia was announced by the President of the Russian Federation on September 21. The Russian leader stressed that the decision was made to protect the country's sovereignty, territorial integrity and ensure the security of its citizens.

    Russia continues its special operation to protect the Donbass region, whose residents refused to recognize the results of the 2014 coup d'etat in Ukraine. The decision to hold it was made on February 24 amid the aggravation of the situation in the region due to the shelling of Ukrainian troops.

    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.cac91bae-6349c6da-d502138c-74722d776562/https/iz.ru/1410333/2022-10-14/peskov-utochnil-slova-putina-o-srokakh-zaversheniia-chastichnoi-mobilizatcii

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:49 pm

    famschopman wrote:That Russian television presenter said worse things
    If you mean Soloviev, he did, but he is well connected and that makes him not easy target.
    Personally, i don't think this will go far, as these people are very popular with massive following. 
    Main problem for Russia, at the moment, is party for peace and negotiations, which has some mighty backers and people in high places like Matvienko, who is Ukrainian born.

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:51 pm

    https://tass.com/defense/1523003 doomer posting expected on october 18-20

    LPR military officer says Ukraine readies to start offensive along two axes next week
    It was nited that the breakthrough is scheduled for next week because of the weather

    LUGANSK, October 14. /TASS/. Vitaly Kiselyov, a colonel of the Lugansk People’s Republic and a military analyst, on Friday said Ukrainian forces are planning to start an offensive toward Kremennaya and Svatovo in the republic in the timeframe from October 18 to 20.
    "Ukrainian forces are trying to build up a large number of troops to capture the Kremennaya axis and, what’s more important, the Svatovo axis. Tentatively, they are planning an offensive to start on October 18-20. We have trustworthy sources that confirmed that, and also prisoners confirmed that information," he told TASS.
    He said the occupation of Svatovo, which is located on a dominant height, would allow the armed forces of Ukraine to go around Lisichansk and Severodonetsk from the east because Ukrainian troops don’t want to make a move on these cities.
    "They will be trying to break through, probably in 2-3 waves, because mercenaries will drive ahead these disposable territorial defense troops. The mercenaries include a lot of outcasts that came from Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Germany, and the US. They are ready, for a lot of money, to push these Ukrainian forces to be slaughtered," he said.

    Kiselyov said that the breakthrough is scheduled for next week because of the weather. "They expect the weather to worsen so that our drones and our intelligence can’t notice the advance of the forces and means of the Ukrainian military and thus bypass our rear, go to our positions. But whatever it is, our positions are well fortified, equipped and the fascists have no chances there," he said.
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    Post  Backman Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:10 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:It looks like some bureaucrats in MoD felt threatened:

    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/29123

      9 Russian military correspondents and bloggers, including I. Strelkov, are at risk of being charged with discrediting the RF Armed Forces.

    "These are: Igor Strelkov, Semyon Pegov (WarGonzo), Yuri Podolyaka, Vladlen Tatarsky, Sergey Mardan, Igor Dimitriev, the authors of GreyZone, Rybar and, suddenly, K. Potupchik. The content in their TG channels is already being analyzed for fakes, discrediting and  other prohibited and punishable content," writes Mash.
    ▪According to the media, a statement to Roskomnadzor demanding to check the materials of the authors was allegedly signed, and in the Prosecutor General's Office the case is being handled by the head of the department for supervision over the implementation of the law on federal security, terrorism, extremism and interethnic relations.  "The reason is criticism of the Ministry of Defense and its decisions during the special operation."
    ▪"How long the check will last is unknown. But if the offense and guilt are established, the military correspondents will receive fines or up to 3 years in prison."
      We don’t know if this is true, but Margarita Simonyan, close to the first persons of the country, RT, voiced her opinion:
    "In our trenches today they have been discussing all day that someone is preparing criminal cases against patriotic military correspondents."
    Even if someone came up with such an idea, then "nothing like this can happen. Because it's impossible."

    I've been saying Strelkov should be arrested for defamation of the SMO since March. Even if what he is saying turned out to be right. That's not how you fight a propaganda war.

    Most pro Ukraine channels get their info from these so called patriotic corrispondents. I'm surprised it took this long for the mod to get a grip on these outfits.

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    Post  Backman Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:17 pm

    So now there is all of these rumors that Russia might do a pullback from Kherson. Mericours says that its not entirely inconceivable.

    This BS better not be even close to true. They better not even think of it.

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