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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:07 pm

    Isos wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:The last thing than can be said about me is being shy.
    But I won't ask the questions anybody here knows the answer.
    That would be a waste of my time, and I don't like that.
    We can only guess, and the guy is not replacing anyone, but constituting all the powers into one fist.
    Till now, there was no one operational commander for the operation, now he was appointed.
    Was it because of the character of the conflict? IDK. dunno
    And as IDK, I won't make any entries that can sound simply stupid if confronted.
    You are a specialist in making stupid claims with no basis, so be my guest  Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Look who is lying again so that he doesn't face reality.  lol1

    Even the chechen leader said the previous staff was shit and their entire war was shit.

    They just replaced loosers by a new guy.  That's why they are all happy. Not because this guy proved anything but because the previous staff was shitty and won't ve in charge.

    Those 'loosers' are still there. Neither Gerasimov nor Shoigu have been fired

    Furthermore why don't you read some books about for example WW2, or any other modern military conflict. I mean memoires of generals and such.

    From there you will actually get an inkling as to the kind of responsibilities and tasks this or that officer role is expected to perform. The job of a chief of staff, or a minister of defense - are as different from each other as they are to any sort of army group commander, front commander or theater commander (what essentially Surovkin is).

    If you think Shoigu was in the first instance engaged in handling strategies and tactics - then you have another thing coming. There is a reason why these days, the Ministers of Defense in many countries, and in the face of Shoigu in Russia too - actually come from a civilian and managerial background.

    As for Gerasimov, the scope of his duties is too wide to summarize adequately, but essentially he'll be more engaged in co-coordinating all the different branches of the armed forces with each other, resolving issues, and being consulted by Putin or Shoigu. He's not going to have the time to devote to the Ukraine specifically above all other concerns.

    So if anyone has been replaced, then it has been Dvornikov. Only that happened already back at the end of June, when Surovkin was made the commander of the southern military district, or otherwise of the group of forces from the southern military district engaged in the Ukraine.
    Now Surovikin has been promoted, but nobody has been dismissed as far as we know - a new post was simply created for the commander of the Russian group of forces in the Ukraine. As to whether Lapin is still in charge of the Central military district I have no idea, but if he is then he won't have any more direct involvement there I would imagine, it would be commanders instead answering directly to Surovikin


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    Post  Kiko Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:13 pm

    Putin said that 222,000 people have already been mobilized in Russia, 10.14.2022.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin named the number of those mobilized to date.

    According to him, 222 thousand people out of the estimated 300 thousand have already been mobilized.


    Earlier it was reported that the first trains with those called up as part of the partial military mobilization from the Ulyanovsk region went to the training grounds of the Southern Military District to continue the course of combat training.

    https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/1061269-putin-mobilizaciya-sroki

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:18 pm

    franco wrote:

    As an example of such opposition - exchanges. Do we know who was released from captivity, except for the obviously bogus fattened mugs who told how they were starved? And besides Medvedchuk? No. But it is worth seeing how it is served in Ukraine.

    It was these gentlemen from the "peace party" who regularly told Putin tales about how many pro-Russian oligarchs, governors and mayors are in Ukraine, ready to open the gates of their cities to Russian soldiers. About how many in the Armed Forces of Ukraine who want to join the "Russian world" and go over to the side of Russia. And so on, and all the more disgusting.

    And about how to preserve the infrastructure of Ukraine, so that future citizens of Russia, God forbid, would not be offended by anything. There is no need, you understand, to irritate the “fraternal” people with domestic inconveniences.

    Meanwhile, this very “brotherly” people, who were so taken care of, calmly watched and enjoyed the punishment of collaborators in the cities abandoned by the Russian army, discussed the sinking of the “Moscow”, squealed with delight from the explosion on the Crimean bridge.

    It is very difficult to say how many influential people there are in this "peace party", but it is clear that they are decent and they can really influence the processes in the country and beyond. And everything that is happening indirectly indicates that the same Ukrainian infrastructure may belong to non-citizens of Ukraine at all.

    Nothing personal, just business, right?

    Responsibility is what these little people are most afraid of. That you will have to answer for your cowardice and sabotage. For "import substitution", for the Russian army, which is "strongest" (at international competitions and forums) and capable of performing any task, for the wildest bureaucracy in the country, for ruined sectors of the economy, unable to replace anything, for the principle "do not let out, we'll buy everything." For brave reports about how good everything is in our country. For lying.

    You can talk about peace if the country and its army are strong. But not when, having got involved in a war, we find out that there are no reserves, the mobilization stock has been plundered, military enterprises go bankrupt for far-fetched reasons and go under the hammer, the army lacks many necessary things. And when the people begin at their own expense to dress, shoe, supply the army, from which everything has been stolen again before us.

    You can talk about peace when at the top, in the decision-making centers, everyone is united. But no, they are not united. And we are unlikely to see a clear explanation why such a crowd of State Duma deputies voted against the admission of new members to the Federation. Yes, and abstentions are also from the same cohort.



    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/203263-slozhnyj-vybor-dlja-generala-surovikina.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    I said this months ago

    But those here could not bear it unless it was spoonfed to them

    And yes lapin was removed along with rest of former staff

    Kadyrov would not receive a medal for it

    - and the peace party is well known to have sabotaged the SMO

    Which is why I stated to level Ukrainian infrastructure

    Well they took my advice, but have again hoped for some negotiations...

    The real question is how could Putin have been foolish enough to believe the reports from the peace party?

    Who could have believed that Nazis were waiting for guys to walk into Kharkov with flowers and kvass?

    So the fault lies with peace party who advocated for the brotherly people, including matvienko and FlamingPython himself if you recall wept and gnashed his teeth for the brothers

    But it also lies with those who took these assessments at face value whom I will not name for risk of being banned for telling the truth

    Only for the same thoughts to be posted by topwar and then become gospel itself


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    Post  Arrow Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:21 pm

    So that's the end of the bigger strikes for now.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:28 pm

    Isos wrote:

    You are a really hopeless case, monsieur general de'Butthurt.
    There is nothing to make you STFU before making a full-scale coming out scratch

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:33 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    So the fault lies with peace party who advocated for the brotherly people, including matvienko and FlamingPython himself if you recall wept and gnashed his teeth for the brothers

    No I didn't, I was against the war itself - because I knew there would be no flowers or other bullshit, and the population there has long been zombified. And that it would turn into a years long slog. Which it has, only not in the way I imagined in the sense of a long anti-insurgency campaign, but full-scale conventional war for all this time and with no sign of yet abating.
    I think having reservations over an enterprise that has turned out quite like this was justified. Being as it was we knew less at the time than we do know.

    But as for the zombification, I'm sure even Putin and the other higher-ups knew about it.
    There are of course times when leaders and such are blinded by hubris and wishful thinking. But Putin as an ex-KGB man is simply not the type to fall out of rationality.
    Simply put, the Russian leadership knew the risks, and that Russian tanks won't be welcomed in the Ukraine - but the war became inevitable anyway and given the necessity of invasion; why not try to make deals swing cities over to your side (it did work in Kherson) since that is so.

    Your discourse on the 'peace party' and internal traitors is thus overly simplistic; there was no Medinsky or Medvechuk who could have convinced Putin over all his own advisers and intelligence.
    But this narrative serves the purpose of this little faction war in Russia between the hawks and the doves - or the right-wingers and the liberals - and who should have more influence over post-war Russian politics. Keep it to yourself, in this thread we're primarily just interested in the war itself.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:55 pm

    Russia should launch a blitzkrieg in its counteroffensive, with the use of tactical nuclear weapons. It would be a total victory and the terror of the West.

    Decisions have to be made. There is no place for fearful.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:00 pm

    kvs wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:

    As we say in America, "winner winner, chicken dinner."  Seriously, most of those who come from the west are on here because the news media here is so biased its bordering on propaganda.  If I wanted to read pro Western stuff I'd just turn on the tv and read the top stories on google.  I came here to get the Russian side of the story and I am generally sympathetic to Russia because our foreign policy is a such a nightmare of a shitshow and because I love Russia's language, history, literature, ballet, and film.  From studying Russia's history I am painfully aware of how similar NATO in Ukraine looks to the situation in 1812 and 1941.  Hell, some of the wording of the western propaganda machine looks like something right out of those wars.

    It is not bordering on propaganda, it is full bore hate propaganda consisting of outright fantasy fiction.   The western MSM was already in this mode
    decades ago and is not just recently.  I recall some hack at the CBC whose coverage of Russia well over 20 years ago was pure cringe.   There was
    no balance or attempt at such.  Alternative voices only existed in alternative media.   Now the move is to suppress these voices to force the proles
    to consume only refined official excrement.

    The current "fall out" with NATzO by Russia was inevitable.   The Cold War did not end in 1990 and kept going with new pretexts being used to replace
    the old ones about communism and exporting revolution.    I am happy that it has gelled in the minds of Russians that the west is a pathological enemy
    and it is not Russia's alleged bad deeds that are the problem.  

    The problem is international Jewry managed by the West and opposed to Russia's conservative and traditional project. It is not only a political and economic problem, but also a cultural and civilizational model. After World War 2 and with force in the 60s, it has imposed degeneration in the West in such a way that it is unrecognizable. They wanted to do the same thing in the Russia of the 90s and they couldn't.
    Russian is a mystery of history. One of the few who did not succumb to degeneration

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:11 pm

    famschopman wrote:There are multiple angles

    a) Starlink was successfully jammed, and this is a way out given that the Ukraine ambassador scolded them to **** off
    b) Elon wants Russia to actually have the advantage to avoid nuclear situations; not that they would happen, but the propaganda works for some; also Elon talked to Putin in private before he put out the tweets
    c) He just wants to make a good profit; after all he is a businessman, and he simply sees opportunity to receive a portion of the billions poured into Ukraine.

    I think option c is the most logical one, and the introduction of Starlink terminals into Ukraine was just a good PR stunt to have the Pentagon recognize Starlink's value in combat situations. They now heavily depend on the product and basically ended up introducing a vendor-lock in situation. You want to continue? Fine but you need to pay for it now. It's a commercial strategy, brilliant.

    Munsk is one of the world's great lies. It's just a car builder for millionaires.
    Their rockets live exploding and their satellites a farce.
    It is more dangerous and valuable Microsft with its Azure system. Russia should sabotage that.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:45 pm

    flamming_python wrote:


    Your discourse on the 'peace party' and internal traitors is thus overly simplistic; there was no Medinsky or Medvechuk who could have convinced Putin over all his own advisers and intelligence.
    But this narrative serves the purpose of this little faction war in Russia between the hawks and the doves - or the right-wingers and the liberals - and who should have more influence over post-war Russian politics. Keep it to yourself, in this thread we're primarily just interested in the war itself.

    What is simplistic is to deny the correlation between how the war goes, and this internal contradiction in the elite

    And then wonder why such dumb things happen like Ukro terrorism , when they are incentivized by a traitorous elite that sell out the national interests to retain their power
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    Post  Hole Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:20 pm

    mavaff wrote:Those Iranian drones seem very effective but with a good AD system like Tugunska and Pantsir I think it should be easy to shoot them down without missiles, just firing rounds (they fly very slowly): this makes their interception pretty inexpensive.
    Don't Ukranians have any Tugunksa left?
    It starts with radars and command posts. There is a lack of both and if some radar stays on  or the command posts uses his radios long enough they will be toast.

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    Post  Hole Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:26 pm

    We all know from anonymous western sources that Russia is runnig out of missiles and bombs, so...
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    These are GLONASS-guided, but there is a laser-guided version for hitting moving targets.
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    Union group in Belarus will likely consist of 70.000+ soldiers.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:39 pm

    Union group in Belarus will likely consist of 70.000+ soldiers. wrote:

    The question is whether Russia will open the front again with Belarus.

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:59 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    What is simplistic is to deny the correlation between how the war goes, and this internal contradiction in the elite

    And then wonder why such dumb things happen like Ukro terrorism , when they are incentivized by a traitorous elite that sell out the national interests to retain their power
     
    There's no political will to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure, as it is seen in example of latest Putin's speech. 
    Since he, usually, says in his speeches what he thinks, there's no plan for that or complete annexation of Ukrainian state.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:03 am

    here's no political will to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure, as it is seen in example of latest Putin's speech. wrote:

    So the massive  strikes have already stopped. A dozen more missiles flew today. There will be no further destruction of Ukraine's infrastructure, and certainly not as intense as on October 10th.Putin also stated that the mobilization was done to keep the current territories. So there will be no tactic change etc.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:28 am

    RTN wrote:They ain't a protected race in the States either. But they behave that way. Especially that one jew in this forum with multiple accounts...who forces his narrative on others using multiple handles compelling them to shut up.  
    Being a Jew amounts to nothing unless he is White. Jews of colour get a raw deal in both Israel & US.

    This week a Jewish boy from India was dragged out of a synagogue in Israel by white Jews and physically assaulted.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:40 am

    Arrow wrote:So that's the end of the bigger strikes for now.



    They cannot really take the entire grid out as there are 3 nuclear plants operating that require external power as a safety backup. They are just selectively disrupting it so they don't end up with 3x chernobyl

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    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:48 am

    They cannot really take the entire grid out as there are 3 nuclear plants operating that require external power as a safety backup. wrote:

    NPPs have their own independent power supply to cool the reactors. No such cooling is required after the fission reaction is quenched.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:51 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    What is simplistic is to deny the correlation between how the war goes, and this internal contradiction in the elite

    And then wonder why such dumb things happen like Ukro terrorism , when they are incentivized by a traitorous elite that sell out the national interests to retain their power
     
    There's no political will to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure, as it is seen in example of latest Putin's speech. 
    Since he, usually, says in his speeches what he thinks, there's no plan for that or complete annexation of Ukrainian state.

    That is what is most concerning, it's a bipolar approach to the SMO

    And does anyone really believe that Kiev or patrons will negotiate?

    Because some Elon shutoff starlink?

    And Mativiyenko , Putin, And all these continue to talk about negotiations and possibility to sell gas to Europe

    wtf? It seems to me in Kremlin want to go back to the way things were, they just want their revenue from gas sales and carte Blanche to act in Eastern Europe as they see fit

    Only the west won't give it to them - why should they?

    To negotiate and obtain your results , a certain amount of leverage is needed

    Currently Russia can only negotiate with USA, and what incentive does the US have to negotiate with Putin?

    The point is, they won't negotiate, the Kremlin counts on economic damage inflicted to West, to bring them to the table

    But that won't produce anything

    Even if they negotiate, NATO still has 75% of Ukraine

    So only change is the fence goes up slightly farther from Crimea, and along Belgorod and Voronezh, NATO will be there

    So what negotiations can happen?

    Does anyone here really believe NATO will leave Ukraine neutral?

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:54 am

    You really couldn't make this up.

    No-one actually connected to the pipeline's operation, including allies, will be allowed to see the evidence of what happened. Sweden got all the evidence and now it seems to be refusing to share it. It can only mean one thing, it is clear who did it and it ain't Russia.

    In a normal World it is Germany or perhaps Denmark who should be vetoing Sweden's application to NATO as they are a hostile power as they clearly don't believe that Germanies security is as good as theirs.

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    JUST IN - Sweden blocks joint investigation with Germany and Denmark into Nord Stream explosions.

    Sweden says the "safety classification of the investigation is too high" to share the result with other countries, Spiegel reports.


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    Stockholm, Copenhagen and Berlin have refused to carry out a joint investigation into the alleged sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, news portal Tagesschau, owned by ARD media, reported on Friday.

    According to the report, the three nations “actually wanted to investigate the destruction of the pipelines together and to find out who is responsible. But that’s not the case now.”

    The three countries’ joint investigation team has been disbanded, according to German government sources cited in the report. Sweden was the first to leave due to privacy concerns, and was followed by Denmark. “Now each country will conduct its investigation separately from the others.”

    On Thursday, Russia’s foreign ministry summoned the ambassadors of Germany, Denmark and Sweden over their countries’ refusal to grant access to the investigation. Moscow said it wouldn’t recognize the results of the ongoing probe into the explosions that damaged the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines in late September unless its experts were allowed to take part.

    If Russia’s calls for cooperation are ignored, Moscow will assume that the three European countries “have something to hide or [that] they are covering up the perpetrators of these terrorist attacks,” the ministry warned.


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    Let me repeat this message, which seems to be the most important currently.

    Some of you may wonder what happened to the results of the NS1+NS2, the gas pipelines from Russia to Germany, investigations: they are now top secret. Even Germany does not get to see the results. Of course, nothing more can be done.

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-schweden-laesst-zusammenarbeit-bei-pipeline-ermittlungen-platzen-a-490b359c-1508-458a-bb57-954e4ce11050

    Now one could say that also Denmark investigates. But also Denmark does not want to give out investigation results:

    https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/nordstream-pipelines-ermittlungen-101.html

    Could it be, just a tiny bit, that the results of the investigation have unwanted results? Hiding the results of an international investigation against Russia means to me that pipeline has been destroyed by Americans.


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    Post  RTN Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:01 am

    Sujoy wrote:This week a Jewish boy from India was dragged out of a synagogue in Israel by white Jews and physically assaulted.

    The only thing that you post all day, every day is how Indians are being targeted and killed first in Ukraine, then U.S and now Israel because of their race and color.

    You have created several India threads in this forum. Why don't you go there and post instead of spamming every other thread.

    It remains a mystery to me why you do not get banned.
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    Post  Backman Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:29 am

    I'm loving this Lancet footage. Because you can see the target and the hit in the same frame. So many other videos of other weapons shows the target , then the hit in separate frame and it kinda ruins it.

    Top marks for this drone. Anything that makes it into the footage like this is definitely working.

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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:30 am

    Orlan-10 is well mastered and loosing them isn't an issue. Impressive numbers.


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