Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29

Isos wrote:

ALAMO wrote:The last thing than can be said about me is being shy.
But I won't ask the questions anybody here knows the answer.
That would be a waste of my time, and I don't like that.
We can only guess, and the guy is not replacing anyone, but constituting all the powers into one fist.
Till now, there was no one operational commander for the operation, now he was appointed.
Was it because of the character of the conflict? IDK.
And as IDK, I won't make any entries that can sound simply stupid if confronted.
You are a specialist in making stupid claims with no basis, so be my guest  

Look who is lying again so that he doesn't face reality.  

Even the chechen leader said the previous staff was shit and their entire war was shit.

They just replaced loosers by a new guy.  That's why they are all happy. Not because this guy proved anything but because the previous staff was shitty and won't ve in charge.

franco wrote:

As an example of such opposition - exchanges. Do we know who was released from captivity, except for the obviously bogus fattened mugs who told how they were starved? And besides Medvedchuk? No. But it is worth seeing how it is served in Ukraine.

It was these gentlemen from the "peace party" who regularly told Putin tales about how many pro-Russian oligarchs, governors and mayors are in Ukraine, ready to open the gates of their cities to Russian soldiers. About how many in the Armed Forces of Ukraine who want to join the "Russian world" and go over to the side of Russia. And so on, and all the more disgusting.

And about how to preserve the infrastructure of Ukraine, so that future citizens of Russia, God forbid, would not be offended by anything. There is no need, you understand, to irritate the “fraternal” people with domestic inconveniences.

Meanwhile, this very “brotherly” people, who were so taken care of, calmly watched and enjoyed the punishment of collaborators in the cities abandoned by the Russian army, discussed the sinking of the “Moscow”, squealed with delight from the explosion on the Crimean bridge.

It is very difficult to say how many influential people there are in this "peace party", but it is clear that they are decent and they can really influence the processes in the country and beyond. And everything that is happening indirectly indicates that the same Ukrainian infrastructure may belong to non-citizens of Ukraine at all.

Nothing personal, just business, right?

Responsibility is what these little people are most afraid of. That you will have to answer for your cowardice and sabotage. For "import substitution", for the Russian army, which is "strongest" (at international competitions and forums) and capable of performing any task, for the wildest bureaucracy in the country, for ruined sectors of the economy, unable to replace anything, for the principle "do not let out, we'll buy everything." For brave reports about how good everything is in our country. For lying.

You can talk about peace if the country and its army are strong. But not when, having got involved in a war, we find out that there are no reserves, the mobilization stock has been plundered, military enterprises go bankrupt for far-fetched reasons and go under the hammer, the army lacks many necessary things. And when the people begin at their own expense to dress, shoe, supply the army, from which everything has been stolen again before us.

You can talk about peace when at the top, in the decision-making centers, everyone is united. But no, they are not united. And we are unlikely to see a clear explanation why such a crowd of State Duma deputies voted against the admission of new members to the Federation. Yes, and abstentions are also from the same cohort.



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Isos wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
So the fault lies with peace party who advocated for the brotherly people, including matvienko and FlamingPython himself if you recall wept and gnashed his teeth for the brothers

kvs wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:

As we say in America, "winner winner, chicken dinner."  Seriously, most of those who come from the west are on here because the news media here is so biased its bordering on propaganda.  If I wanted to read pro Western stuff I'd just turn on the tv and read the top stories on google.  I came here to get the Russian side of the story and I am generally sympathetic to Russia because our foreign policy is a such a nightmare of a shitshow and because I love Russia's language, history, literature, ballet, and film.  From studying Russia's history I am painfully aware of how similar NATO in Ukraine looks to the situation in 1812 and 1941.  Hell, some of the wording of the western propaganda machine looks like something right out of those wars.

It is not bordering on propaganda, it is full bore hate propaganda consisting of outright fantasy fiction.   The western MSM was already in this mode
decades ago and is not just recently.  I recall some hack at the CBC whose coverage of Russia well over 20 years ago was pure cringe.   There was
no balance or attempt at such.  Alternative voices only existed in alternative media.   Now the move is to suppress these voices to force the proles
to consume only refined official excrement.

The current "fall out" with NATzO by Russia was inevitable.   The Cold War did not end in 1990 and kept going with new pretexts being used to replace
the old ones about communism and exporting revolution.    I am happy that it has gelled in the minds of Russians that the west is a pathological enemy
and it is not Russia's alleged bad deeds that are the problem.  

famschopman wrote:There are multiple angles

a) Starlink was successfully jammed, and this is a way out given that the Ukraine ambassador scolded them to **** off
b) Elon wants Russia to actually have the advantage to avoid nuclear situations; not that they would happen, but the propaganda works for some; also Elon talked to Putin in private before he put out the tweets
c) He just wants to make a good profit; after all he is a businessman, and he simply sees opportunity to receive a portion of the billions poured into Ukraine.

I think option c is the most logical one, and the introduction of Starlink terminals into Ukraine was just a good PR stunt to have the Pentagon recognize Starlink's value in combat situations. They now heavily depend on the product and basically ended up introducing a vendor-lock in situation. You want to continue? Fine but you need to pay for it now. It's a commercial strategy, brilliant.

flamming_python wrote:


Your discourse on the 'peace party' and internal traitors is thus overly simplistic; there was no Medinsky or Medvechuk who could have convinced Putin over all his own advisers and intelligence.
But this narrative serves the purpose of this little faction war in Russia between the hawks and the doves - or the right-wingers and the liberals - and who should have more influence over post-war Russian politics. Keep it to yourself, in this thread we're primarily just interested in the war itself.

mavaff wrote:Those Iranian drones seem very effective but with a good AD system like Tugunska and Pantsir I think it should be easy to shoot them down without missiles, just firing rounds (they fly very slowly): this makes their interception pretty inexpensive.
Don't Ukranians have any Tugunksa left?

Arkanghelsk wrote:
What is simplistic is to deny the correlation between how the war goes, and this internal contradiction in the elite

And then wonder why such dumb things happen like Ukro terrorism , when they are incentivized by a traitorous elite that sell out the national interests to retain their power

RTN wrote:They ain't a protected race in the States either. But they behave that way. Especially that one jew in this forum with multiple accounts...who forces his narrative on others using multiple handles compelling them to shut up.  

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
What is simplistic is to deny the correlation between how the war goes, and this internal contradiction in the elite

And then wonder why such dumb things happen like Ukro terrorism , when they are incentivized by a traitorous elite that sell out the national interests to retain their power

 
There's no political will to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure, as it is seen in example of latest Putin's speech. 
Since he, usually, says in his speeches what he thinks, there's no plan for that or complete annexation of Ukrainian state.

Sujoy wrote:This week a Jewish boy from India was dragged out of a synagogue in Israel by white Jews and physically assaulted.

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