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    Post  auslander Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:25 pm

    Haven't said much lately, been busy with hospitals and fighting this mess I have. Knock on wood, so far so good but the meds wear my young butt out well before noon. Dammit.

    OK. Had a full dress gig this afternoon, fortunately on our side of the ditch for once. Whilst at the event Her Excellency and I talked to some of the younger lads down here on leave and getting minor bumps and scrapes fixed. These are all local boys so some of them either know us or know of us. It helped that I was in O6 Navy Infantry uniform with a chest full so their officers, who do not know us, were relaxed. Couple of them thought I had been up north because with my usual case of the kools I managed to fall in the upstairs bath a week ago and my face looks like I lost a fight with a chainsaw and the floor. The floor and large tub/shower stall came out quite a bit better then I did.

    Morale up north is quite high. Not bravado but high morale, there is a distinct difference between the two. According to them they lack for nothing, anything they ask for they get instantly. Food is good. Accommodations are adequate for being in the field. Weather is slowly turning to shit but that's to be expected, it do be mid October. I, and my charming bride, were quite impressed with these young warriors and that's what they all are now, warriors. They were all 100% correct in how they talked to us and the civilians at the event and their officers, and I, made sure nothing was said that should not and could not be said.

    At the end of the event we all went down on bended knee as Father G. and Father P. blessed us all. We have arranged for prayers to be said for this young warriors and all our men and women serving up north and we pray for them every day.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:26 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    That guy Russel Bentley was a small time pot farmer or some such in US. Probably, consumed too much of his own stuff.  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29 - Page 22 1f604

    Yeah Laughing
    And he is a commie, a Marxist if I remember his coming out precisely Laughing Laughing

    The MH17 theories are fine stuff either Laughing Laughing
    To be more serious : yes, there have been multiple reports of the jet planes assisting the MH17 made by the witnesses on the ground.
    Yet I would not dare to judge if they were genuine.
    Russian radar data provided were saying about that fact either.
    One thing brought my attention, still. On some of the photos made on the spot, I have registered something that looks suspiciously similar to the fragmentation bar from a rod warhead that both R-27 and R-73 carry.
    Some of the damages on the fuselage look quite similar to the ones made by those rods, but those could have been created by other means, too. A conspiracy theorists can make a hundred of hypothesis out of them, so you know ... Laughing Laughing

    Anyway, something interesting :

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/30160

    Todays (?) lancetization of S-300PS. If you will watch that carefully, you will see that at least two containers are empty suggesting that the launcher was catched with a smoking gun.
    This thing seems to be notorious.
    Geran attacks are made to switch on the AD assets. Those are being actively searched by the UAVs, which register the strikes of kamikaze drones on them later.
    The previous lancetization of two S-300 was filmed from a distance by the other drone, the very same way.
    R-33S photographed is just another part of this show - the remains of Ukrluftwaffe is struggling to take out the incommings, while the hunting season on them is open, with the CAP of MiG-31 with long range missiles is just there, waiting for them.

    Edit : correction. The tubes looks just fine on the Lancet provided film, and with the hatches missing on the one made with assisting UAV. So most probably, the Lancet strike cooked off 3 out of 4 missiles - one seems totally demolish as the tube itself is gone either, and two others have hatches blown up.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:42 pm

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/726799/a-message-from-ukraine-by-volodymyr-zelensky/


    This ignorant agrapher has just published a book. Tell me if this isn't part of an international plan.

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    Post  calripson Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:01 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/726799/a-message-from-ukraine-by-volodymyr-zelensky/


    This ignorant agrapher has just published a book. Tell me if this isn't part of an international plan.

    Of course the West has a "plan" and informational warfare and censorship are all part of it. You will be able to find this book by this non-author, comedic actor in every bookstore in the US/Canada/UK as well as online. You can look for and wide for Nobel Prize winner Alexander Solzhenitsyn's last book Two Hundred Years Together and you will never find it. It has never found an English language publisher in the entire world willing to carry it.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:03 pm

    I would say let Germany send IRST and other countries send other western AD systems they will only waste expensive missiles in the process, this will deplete NATO stocks while achieving nothing. Even if they are successful in taking down a drone that costs hundreds of dollars that's fine they use hundreds of thousands of dollars or maybe millions of dollars worth of missile doing so.

    As for Ukrainian troops and police firing assault rifles/ machine guns and manpads into the air well this only serves to deplete ammunition further which is a win for Russia. And I doubt civilians will enjoy rounds falling down around their city. In my time in the army I have seen what mapping fire can do with a 7.62mm GPMG and it's lethal. Civilians won't put up with their cars, and house roofs being being damaged by rounds falling down from their own troops the last thing they want during bad weather is a damaged roof, and not mention they could pay with their life with such actions. Seeing videos of these drones landing in cities is pretty decent method of demoralizing troops and civilians. The question is how long before civilians have had enough and turn on their governors and larger government.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:15 pm

    Regarding Jews & Israel, most of the Jews r in USA & Democrats, incl. me; they r not Zionists & do not swear allegiance to Israel, even with relatives there.
    Trump recently been ranting about it.



    Use CC & Tools for English translation:
    Oct 17, 2022 On the evening of October 15, it became known that around 10 AM there was a shooting at a military training ground in the Belgorod region. During firearm training, two men started shooting at the personnel of one of the units. As a result of the shooting, 11 people were killed, 15 more were hospitalized. Journalist Dmitry Kolezev spoke on Dozhd about what could have been the formal cause of the conflict at the training ground.https://youtu.be/EEI_jtgnWp8

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/russia-eyes-iranian-missiles-to-replenish-spent-stocks/?mc_cid=855c694426&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4526485-rf-nalazhyvaet-snabzhenye-v-obkhod-krymskoho-mosta-razvedka-brytanyy

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/kerch-bridge-nord-stream-the-handiwork-of-top-tier-saboteurs/?mc_cid=855c694426&mc_eid=5455568640


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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:37 pm

    China, I'd like them to hit Taiwan more than anything else...

    perhaps we have reached tectonic disturbances in the world of weapons..
    Some weapon systems could very quickly become obsolete, just like what happened to battleships after WW2.
    A country without land forces is the same as a country without an army, that's the only thing I'm sure of..
    Russia must also acquire in the future more new tanks, more howitzers and more missiles, but also helicopters..plain and simple.
    Even before this conflict, I wrote about it, that is, as soon as I came to the forum - aviation is simply too vulnerable and that is why I am against Russia building aircraft carriers.
    .. It seems to me that I was right. What happened to the Saki airport could happen to any other Russian airport, but also to a any Western airport.
    If already cheap drones can overcome an air defense system (rarely but it happens), then I have no doubt that 12+ billion dollars and several thousand crew members can go to the bottom. Of course, I am referring to the anti-ship missile attack on the Nimitz aircraft carriers. An aircraft carrier these days is only good for waving the flag, not for real conflict.
    Although I doubt in surface warships it remains to be seen if submarines have the power they are supposed to have or if they too are vulnerable.
    ONE thing is certain; the ground army is still the absolute number one, so a country without a strong ground army is the same as a country without an army. And that is a mistake that Russia did not make, but the West did. War is not a video game and cannot be won from the air.
    And that's why I wonder what the Chinese who have invested the most in their missile systems and drones have in their arsenal.
    I am sincerely convinced that in the last 15 years the best spent money for its armed forces was allocated by China.


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    Post  franco Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:39 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Cmo'n...
    The guy is saying that there was a dirty radioactive bomb hanging under Miriya Laughing Laughing
    Seems they have the same dealer with Cocainsky.

    That guy Russel Bentley was a small time pot farmer or some such in US. Probably, consumed too much of his own stuff.  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29 - Page 22 1f604

    There actually was a perceived threat of a "dirty bomb", hence the commando raid on the airfield and the Chernobyl plant... probably the basis of his tale.

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:41 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:Fighterbomber says it was Su-34. Engines malfunctioned during take-off. Crew is alive. Unclear if there were civilian casualties.

    https://t.me/fighter_bomber/8995

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    Zapadnaya street is pretty far from the AFB, they should have had enough speed to keep staying airborne on one engine at that point IMO, if it occured after take-off. At least until the city was cleared (it is tricky to fly on one engine when they're so widely spaced, at low speeds when rudder authority ain't the greatest).

    Eyewitness say fire was seen in the air, I guess a catastrophic malfunction.

    Or, worst-case scenario, smuggled MANPADS. It's not awfully far from UA.

    Yeisk is a Naval training airbase and they only have Su-24's...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:51 pm

    Su-34s could be transiting or being repaired/armed there- normal peacetime deployments can't be counted now.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-making-excuses-for-not-stopping-us-himars-in-ukraine-2022-10


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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:58 pm

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    Hunted by former allies of the west.

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:08 pm

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    Doritos are coming again
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    This is some serious air defence  No
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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:11 pm

    10/17/2022
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    The military correspondent explained the purchase of Iranian missiles by Russia

    The military correspondent of the publication Komsomolskaya Pravda, Alexander Kots, explained the supply of Iranian weapons to Russia by the need to have good and different missiles. He wrote about this in his Telegram channel.

    “Given the scale of arms supplies to Ukraine from the West, I think that [we need] more missiles, good and different. Especially those that have already successfully penetrated American air defense, whether it be objects in Saudi Arabia or US bases in Iraq, ”the journalist shared his opinion.

    Kotz added that "we should not be shy about buying from outside."

    Earlier, the American newspaper The Washington Post reported that Russia would receive new missiles and drones from Iran. We are talking about short-range ballistic missiles Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar, capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 300 and 700 kilometers, respectively, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles Mohajer-6 and Shahed-136 (Geran-2).

    Before that, Boris Rozhin, an expert at the Center for Military-Political Journalism, citing an Iranian source, said that Russia had ordered new Arash-2 drones from Iran.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29 - Page 22 Fateh-10
    FATEH-110

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    ZOLFAGHAR (derived from the Fateh-110 )

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    ARASH-2

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    MOHAJER-6

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:14 pm

    Don´t know if Arash is really much cheaper then a cruise missile, at least when made in Russia.

    Mohajer is on par with Orion.

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    The "gap" is there because Russia was comitted by the INF treaty not to produce or even develop such missiles.
    The track record of Ukro AD against cruise missiles is a joke at best.

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    Post  Regular Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:30 pm

    mnztr wrote:
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    2nd angle of Kiev Manpad miss on RF Geran-2

    I wonder where the manpad landed and what it destroyed.

    Small warhead, self-destruct function. They should be worried about the bullet drop

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    Post  AMCXXL Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:33 pm

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    Post  Ispan Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:38 pm


    my comments to a post by a Russian blogger on the balance of forces, quite pleased that my off the top of my head guesstimates were quite accurate

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/10/17/el-equilibrio-de-fuerzas-y-perspectivas/

    there's a link to the source, but it should be more readable my translation to spanish after passing it to english than from the original

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    Post  limb Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:50 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:10/17/2022
    Lenta.ru

    The military correspondent explained the purchase of Iranian missiles by Russia

    The military correspondent of the publication Komsomolskaya Pravda, Alexander Kots, explained the supply of Iranian weapons to Russia by the need to have good and different missiles. He wrote about this in his Telegram channel.

    “Given the scale of arms supplies to Ukraine from the West, I think that [we need] more missiles, good and different. Especially those that have already successfully penetrated American air defense, whether it be objects in Saudi Arabia or US bases in Iraq, ”the journalist shared his opinion.

    Kotz added that "we should not be shy about buying from outside."

    Earlier, the American newspaper The Washington Post reported that Russia would receive new missiles and drones from Iran. We are talking about short-range ballistic missiles Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar, capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 300 and 700 kilometers, respectively, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles Mohajer-6 and Shahed-136 (Geran-2).

    Before that, Boris Rozhin, an expert at the Center for Military-Political Journalism, citing an Iranian source, said that Russia had ordered new Arash-2 drones from Iran.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29 - Page 22 Fateh-10
    FATEH-110

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    ZOLFAGHAR (derived from the Fateh-110 )

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    ARASH-2

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    MOHAJER-6

    For some reason the Russians haven't used the mohajer en masse since one of the just crash landed near odessa. I wonser why, given that there are still less than 200 Russian strike drones in total

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:53 pm

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    Looks like Sumy got de-electrified, 330KV transformer got spicy nacho cheese by Dorito swarm

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:57 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:In exchange with Ukrainians 110 Russians are coming home, among them 72 sailors from civilian ships.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/2022/10/17/18817717.shtml

    110 Ukrainian female POW's for 38 Russian POW's and 72 Russian civilian sailors... notice 2 of the Ukrainian females defected so 108 for 110.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:57 pm

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    Kiev got a load of doritos today, spicy, Nacho, Ranch varieties came special air delivery

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:00 pm

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    Su34 flight path before crash, they almost made it to sea - engine flame out it seems
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    Post  Regular Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:03 pm

    Geran-2 surely made some of us who didn't believe the deal or value that it will bring look stupid. I was very skeptical, but results speak for themselves. Not only Ukraine can't stop these attacks, but the fear and the damage they bring are comparable to cruise missile attacks - for a fraction of a cost.

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    Post  billybatts91 Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:12 pm

    These Iranian weapons have been good but it does show that Russia is running low on their own missiles right now, proving the West right at least for the time being sadly.

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