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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:21 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Ramzan Kadyrov on draft dodgers and mobilization.

    {} (c) Kadyrov

    he's good for  PR side and Chechen management , kudos!

    Ramzan Kadyrov understands things. He does not believe in the farce of liberalism and good manners in Chechnya.
    Homosexuals go to concentration camps.
    That should be done in Moscow with the liberal youth. For a total war you need a prepared society. The West has rotted the heads of men and women with its cultural industries. is why Nazi Germany was on the verge of winning the war fighting on four fronts. You have to work your heads with education. Russia is risking its future and ours, since if Russia falls the world will be enslaved by Soros.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:24 am

    https://t.me/voenacher/29532

    "Looks like, the strikes on Odessa were corrected by the Qods Mohajer-6 UAV, so that Shahed-136 was hit where it was necessary.

    It's a shame that he fell into the sea, but no worries, with proper management and mass application , the Armed Forces of Ukraine will quickly be left without serious air defense systems. (GD: Russian operators:) They will learn."







    Backman wrote:. F*ck the NGO psyops.

    hell yeah attack attack attack

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:24 am

    Ispan wrote:Special report of the last three days

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/parte-de-guerra-25-09-2022-krasny-liman-resiste-informe-especial/

    Situation is grave but not desperate in the north, at least Russian reserves appeared at long last. In the south things look better.

    A FEW MAPS MISSING FROM ORIGINAL

    Part of war 09/25/2022 - Krasny Liman resists - special report
    25 September, 2022 Zhukov

    General situation:

    While the referendum on joining Russia in the liberated territory is going on, and the partial mobilization, not without problems, bungling and improvisation, logical in a system that has not been put in place for decades

    The Ukrainian army continues to launch attacks on the northern front, the front of the Oskol and Seversky Donetsk rivers, the pivot of which is the city of Krasny Liman, heroically resisting, trying to achieve some operational success, given the failure of the offensive in the south, towards Kherson. The situation was serious yesterday, and today it has stabilized thanks to the intervention of reserves, but new Ukrainian reinforcements are on the way and the danger persists.

    On the southern front, on the Ingulets River, the attacks continue but with less force, the wounded Ukrainian fighters interviewed by Western media express their discouragement at the casualties and the strength of the Russian defense, supported by fortifications built during the summer.

    The new Iranian-made drones delivered to the Russian army successfully carry out numerous strikes against targets in the rear. Unfortunately, the strengthened Ukrainian air defense makes close air support in the Kharkov region very difficult and the Russians have lost two downed aircraft.

    The summaries of the week at the end of the report



    Geopolitical situation:

    Very interesting article that sums up the headline

    "There will be no negotiations with Kiev, Moscow is going with everything"

    https://topcor.ru/28213-peregovorov-s-kievom-bolshe-ne-budet-moskva-poshla-va-bank.html

    A new phase of the war

    https://slavyangrad.es/2022/09/24/25564/

    Summaries of previous days

    prepared from the summaries of Readovka and Rybar



    Friday, September 23





    Russian border: No news. Sporadic cannonade of harassment of border towns, without victims



    Northern front: Oskol-Seversky Donetsk rivers

    In the Izyum-Slavyansk direction in the Krasny Liman area, the Ukrainians continue to press the Krasny Liman-Yampol-Drobyshevo defensive lines, and also tried to outflank the Russian positions through the forest area near Svyatogorsk and Yarovaya. Serious fighting is still going on, in the Oskol area, the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to put pressure on Rubtsy and Redkodub;

    In Liman all enemy attacks repulsed.

    The enemy continues to try to take control of Drobyshevo, which is one of the key communication nodes northwest of Krasny Liman. Another attempt by the enemy to occupy the village was met with heavy artillery fire, as a result of which the Ukrainian units retreated.

    Donbass salient

    In the direction of Artyomovsk (Bakhmut), Wagner volunteers continue to storm Zaitsevo and enemy defensive fortifications near the Artyomovsk-Dzerzhinsk highway;



    Southern front: Kherson, Ingulets River

    In the southern direction, positional struggles continue in the Posad-Pokrovsk area and Sukhoi Stavka. There was also fighting near Olginka and Arkhangelsk. Today, Russian aviation shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29 near Novoselovka in the Nikolayev region, as well as a Su-25 near the village of Veseloe in the Kherson region.

    At night, apart from the usual exchanges of missiles, air strikes, and artillery and the terrorist shelling of civilian populations by Ukraine along the entire front, artillery duels on the southern front stand out.

    Statement of the Russian army on the 24th at 12:00

    summing up the previous day and total results. Some fragments are quoted to give an idea of the intensity of the struggle

    North front

    Kharkov: artillery shelling, losses 14th and 92nd mechanized brigades in the Kupyansk area of the Kharkov region, as well as from the 66th Mechanized Brigade :

    140 dead and wounded servicemen, 19 units of military equipment.

    South front

    The high-precision attacks of the avuations on the positions of the 28th and 59th mechanized infantry brigades of the Ukraine near the city of Nikolaev, as well as the 61st infantry Jaeger brigade destroyed more than_

    200 nationalists, 3 tanks and 16 armored fighting vehicles.

    A missile strike on the temporary location of foreign mercenaries in the area of the Kalinovka settlement in the Nikolayev region eliminated up to 300 militants.

    As a result of the unsuccessful attempt of the offensive of the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of the settlement of Berestove in the Donetsk People's Republic, 48 Ukrainian servicemen, including 7 officers, were eliminated. 4 armored vehicles were destroyed.

    The attacks of operational-tactical and army aviation, rocket troops and artillery hit five command posts in the areas of Kupyansk, the Kharkov region, ...Kirovo, the Zaporizhia region, KOSTROMA, the Kherson and Bereznegovatoe regions, the Mykolaiv region, as well as 62 artillery units, personnel and military equipment of the Ukrainian army in 153 districts.

    Three warehouses of ammunition and rocket and artillery weapons were destroyed near the settlements of Annovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, Sladke and Uspenovka in the Zaporizhia region.

    (…)

    In the area of the Sergeyevka settlement, Dnipropetrovsk region, a fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Air Force, converted for the use of American HARM anti-radar missiles.

    The Russian air defense forces shot down seven unmanned aerial vehicles during the day in the areas of the settlements of Staromlinovka, Valerianovka, Kirillovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Reshetilovskoye and Lyubimovka of the Zaporozhye region, Chkalovo and KIROVO of the Kherson region.

    42 shells from the HIMARS and Olkha multiple launch rocket systems, as well as three HARM anti-radar missiles, were destroyed in the air near NOVA KAKHOVKA, Kherson region. In addition, two Tochka-U tactical missiles were intercepted over the settlements of Matrosovka and Korsunka in the Kherson region.

    In total, about 500 casualties caused to the enemy and 100 armored personnel carriers, vehicles and artillery pieces.

    Since the beginning of the special military operation, 299 aircraft, 155 helicopters, 2,062 unmanned aerial vehicles, 376 anti-aircraft missile systems, 5,100 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 844 multiple rocket launch vehicles, 3,412 field artillery and mortar guns and 5,813 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

    Saturday, September 24

    Northern front: Oskol-Seversky Donetsk rivers

    Gap in the defense, on this day the Ukrainians drove a wedge into Redkodub, but Russian counterattacks stabilized the situation, On the southern front the situation is better, but a new attack is expected.

    in the Izyum-Slavyansk direction, the militants continue to put pressure on Krasny Liman and are still trying to blow up the Russian positions. The hard struggle continues. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces takedcontrol over the locality of Redkodub, Karpovka, Novoe after a successful attack from Lozovoye.

    In the direction of Artemovsk (Bakhmut), Thewagners continue to storm Zaitsevo.

    Rybar:

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue their offensive to reach the borders of the LNR and attack the flank of the group of allied forces.

    The units of the 14th and 92nd Brigades of Ukraine continue to transfer forces across the Oskol River along the ferry built in the Dvurechnaya area. Assault detachments of the 14th Brigade occupied Gryanikivka and Gorobyivka.

    In addition, the Ukrainian military has settled on the outskirts of Dvurechny. In the occupied localities, sapper teams dig shooting positions before advancing to the railway station in the village, and then leaving for Tavolzhanka.

    Separate units of the 92nd Mechanized Infantry brigade with the fire support of the artillery groups of the 14th brigade, are trying to establish themselves on the northern and northwestern outskirts of Kupyansk, using a pontoon.

    The Ukrainian army suffered significant losses during the battle for Kupyansk. To provide assistance to the Ukrainian troops, the 1st battalion of the 14th mechanized brigade was sent to the combat zone. The wounded are evacuated by Mi-8 helicopters, and the damaged equipment is transported to Rogan for repair.

    Ammunition storage depots and a supply point for the advanced group have been established in Shevchenkovo and Bolshoy Burluk.

    In the Redkodub area, the Ukrainian Armed Forces managed to take advantage of their numerical superiority and break through the defensive linearusass. Ukrainian formations have reached the north of the settlement, where there is no solid line of defense.

    ▪ Ukrainian forces took Redkodub, Karpivka, Novoye after a successful attack from Lozove.

    Reinforcements from the motorized rifle formations of the 20 Army arrived on time and carried out a successful counterattack and recaptured the villages of Karpovka and Novoe.

    The enemy has gained a foothold in the village of Redkodub, and fierce battles are raging in the surroundings.

    The Ukrainian command has deployed a large motorized infantry force to advance further north and reach the Svatovo-Borovoe highway.

    If the Ukrainian Armed Forces reach Svatovo, the entire Limansk grouping of the allied forces will be in an operational encirclement.
    With a simultaneous attack from the bridgehead in Kupyansk, all defenses along the border of the Luhansk Republic may collapse.

    Heavy fighting is taking place in the Redkodub area. Despite the strong attack of a numerically superior enemy, the units of the 20 army of the Russian Armed Forces are holding back the attacks and in some areas are launching a counteroffensive.

    Due to the lack of a solid and equipped line of defense, the mobile groups of Ukraine are trying to penetrate the rear of the Russian troops through the fields near Karpovka. Russian special forces units join the battle with them.

    The command of the Russian army launches reserves into battle in order to slow down parts of the Ukrainian troops and slow down the pace of their advance, buying time to create a solid line of defense and stabilize the situation at the front.

    South Front

    Andreyevka Sector

    Krivoy Rog sector, to the east

    On the south front, the situation is calm. The Armed Forces of Ukraine did not resume attacks, this may be due to exhaustion from failures to break through the Russian defense.

    Rybar instead reports preparations for a new attack.

    Rybar:

    the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are methodically restoring the Ingulets River crossings to ensure the group's supply in the vicinity of Andreevka and Sukhoi Stavka. Damaged and destroyed Ukrainian vehicles are taken to the northern coast for restoration and disassembly in search of spare parts.

    The Russian cannon and rocket artillery timely attacks the built crossings, without giving the enemy the opportunity to restore communications. The observation of the shot is provided by remote control aircraft.

    Russian troops attacked Ukrainian positions in and around Sukhoi Stavka. The surviving soldiers of the enemy's 46th Brigade retreated to reserve positions.

    In the direction of Krivoy Rog the Ukrainian command plans to carry out an attack by the 17th Brigade on the Novovoznesenskoye — Kostroma border with subsequent advancea Arkhangelsk.

    The military personnel of the brigade conduct training and undergo combat coordination. On the way, the infantry units of Ukrainein Osokorovka are preparing to storm the Lyubomirovka — Khreshchenovka border.

    A company of the 96th battalion of the 60th OPBR arrived in Vysokopolye to strengthen the group of troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and a detachment of the 128th ogshbr arrived in the Petrovka area. In preparation for the offensive, the artillery of Ukraine fires on the Russian d positions. The observation of the shot is provided by a Bayraktar drone



    Sunday, September 25

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    This morning began with the enemy's attempts to conduct reconnaissance in various sectors of the front and, if successful, break through our defenses.
    In the Donetsk direction, the enemy did not even have time to break through and was defeated in the assembly area.
    In the direction of Ugledar, the enemy managed to accumulate some forces, even move to our positions, but was defeated. Ka-52 helicopters and army aviation in general performed well.

    Note: On the southern front the tactical aviation has been operating without major problems against the Ukrainian bridgeheads. Western propaganda that Russian aviation cannot operate because of anti-aircraft is a lie. Only in some sector in which the Ukrainians concentrate their remaining anti-aircraft missile launchers, as in the Oskol can cause serious difficulties for Russian aviation, but in general it is still a powerful weapon.

    In the direction of Liman, the enemy does not stop trying to advance, despite the huge losses. Ours are resisting.
    In the Artemovsk direction, our troops continue to push the enemy and advance.

    Summary of Colonel Cassad (Boris Rozhin) 20:00 hours

    1. the enemy continued to try to attack Krasny Liman and Yampol, and also continued to try to outflank Krasny Liman and Drobyshevo by infiltrating patrols through the forests.
    The enemy is trying to reach the communications of the defending group in the direction of Limans in order to force it to retreat from Drobyshevo, Krasny Liman and Yampol. Our troops are on the defensive and occupy key positions so far.

    2. Fierce fighting continues on the Oskol front. The enemy is still trying to break through our defenses in Redkodub, but even here we hold the front.
    There is fighting near Kupyansk and north of the city. The enemy does not abandon attempts to break through the Russian defense and advance towards the borders of the PRL.

    3. In the Artemovsk area, the fighting continued for Zaitsevo and the fortifications on the Artemovsk—Dzerzhinsk highway.
    In Artemovsk and Soledar, there are still no significant changes. Fighting in urban and industrial buildings.

    4. In the directions Avdeyevka, Maryinka and Ugledar - unchanged. The enemy tried to attack several times, but suffered losses and fell back.
    The shelling of the cities of Donbass continues to disrupt the referendum, which obviously will not succeed.

    5. In the Seversk direction, the fighting continued for the ruins of Belogorovka,

    There are no enemy advances in the direction of Kremennaya and Novodruzhesk, just as we have no significant advances in the direction of the Seversk-Soledar highway. Yakovlevka and Ivano-Darivka are under enemy control.

    Older than Edda 22:00 hours

    Briefly on the Oskol front. The enemy continues to advance with large forces supported by tanks. According to some sources, Redkodub and Novoe are in the hands of the enemy. There is fighting on the southern edge of Krasny Limano. Drobyshevo, Novoselovka, Shandrigolovo are in our power, despite enemy attacks. In Prishib, the Ukrainians deployed an artillery reconnaissance station and is conducting a counter-battery fight with Himars rockets and Excalibur guided projectiles

    23:00 hours

    At the moment the 144th motorized rifle division is entering immortality. What the 488th and 254th rifle regiments did and are doing will write with fire letters on the pages of the glorious military history of Russia. Someday after the victory, remember the glorious guys from Smolensk and Bryansk, they deserved it.

    I'm proud of my friendship with them, I'm proud to have shared and shared rations and a drink with these guys. Proud that under fire we have joked and will continue to do so.

    The Ukrainians advance in hordes on the Oskol front, regardless of casualties. Their armored cars are burning, corpses are scattered around the villages and forests. A "thin red line" of Russian guards slows down their offensive, fertilizing the already fertile black soil of Slobozhanshchina with soldiers of the Ukrainian army

    Soon, very soon, newly formed units will arrive, and the enemy will be defeated, humiliated and destroyed. Meanwhile, it is they who have been fighting without interruption for 7 months against a super enemy, or who are keeping Russia safe.

    PS: This is a well-known journalist/blogger who worked in the Kharkov area until the withdrawal from Izyum.
    https://t.me/vysokygovorit/9548

    Finding

    Summary of Topwar.ru

    Yesterday, 24 Sept

    https://topwar.ru/202333-ukrainskie-voennoplennye-prosjatsja-v-boj-svodka-o-hode-provedenija-specoperacii-vs-rf.html

    Today, 25 Sept

    https://topwar.ru/202359-na-vse-puti-vstrechaem-podkreplenija-svodka-o-hode-specoperacii-vs-rf-v-krasnom-limane-i-na-drugih-frontah.html

    Summary by Yuri Podoliak, with Spanish subtitles

    https://t.me/rpd_es/686

    Liman Battles: after two attack attempts repelled by the Cossack volunteer units and the heroic 20th Army, the third began several days ago and is still going on. Yuri considers that we have passed the most critical part of it. The situation is stable within gravity but manageable, Liman and Kupyansk continue to resist. The Russian command had to send reserves to prevent the Ukrainian troops, who were significantly embedded in our defenses, from breaking through.

    Yuri explains the strategic goals and objectives of the Ukrainian Liman operation that went wrong from the very beginning, but if it succeeded, it could have overshadowed its achievements near Balakleya/Izyum

    Impatience of the enemy command

    Ukrainian channel opinion, picked up by Slavyangrad.

    Our source reports that Zelensky is not happy that the Ukrainian Forces will not be able to achieve a single victory right now and take back at least some villages from the Russians. The offensive in Krasnyy Liman has stalled, with many casualties there.
    Zaluzhny (chief of the General Staff) told the president's office that the Russians have strengthened the rear, that now the Ukrainian army does not have such a large numerical advantage and losses are growing, if they continue to hit the "rocks", everything can turn against them in a moment.

    Zelensky is demanding victories of any kind from the General Staff at the moment, as this will fuel the case of frustration and will have a positive effect on anti-mobilization feelings in Russia.
    The source explains that Zelensky urgently needs victories now, he is choleric and cursing demanding results from the General Staff.

    Serious Ukrainian losses in Kherson



    https://topwar.ru/202357-samaja-tjazhelaja-bitva-na-ukraine-v-nyt-ocenili-masshtab-poter-vsu-pod-hersonom.html

    Relevant fragments.

    Russian fortifications

    along the entire front line, the Russians erected powerful defenses: zigzag trenches around irrigation canals; fortified fire positions - bunkers, pillboxes; anti-tank trenches dug by bulldozers and covered with concrete slabs [apparently, escarpments].

    Testimonies of Ukrainian fighters:

    "We have no ammunition and we are suffering heavy losses. We ask for help from the USA to send us artillery shells"

    "During a major attack, a column of Ukrainian tanks and armored vehicles crossing an open field got into a minefield and was mercilessly shelled by Russian artillery"

    "During the recent assault on one of the villages, we lost hundreds of soldiers, but the village is still in the hands of Russian troops. The losses among the troops are massive."

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:33 am

    Friend, you tell me that Ukraine no longer has weapons and they are still fighting. We have been with it for 6 months.
    What is the real situation of the Ukrainian military forces? How long can he hold out if Russia goes on the offensive and takes things seriously?

    This is a military forum with expert people. We don't want propaganda. For that we already have the West.
    We want to know how long it will take for a Russian victory against the enemy or if Russia is betting on a perpetual state of affairs.
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    Post  crod Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:12 am

    Will be interesting to see how these perform. More systems for the RuAF to check against. Will be good for Iran also to see how their drones fair out against more western AD systems. We know they managed ok when used against the KSA supplied systems.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:36 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:

    Great vids, one of the recent ones that blew my mind was the one where TOS1 hits some troops in a treed in area near a field and their bodies literally get blown like 100 yards into the field. Shocked
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    Post  mnztr Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:54 am

    LMFS wrote:From the last post by Martyanov:

    The Pentagon has developed a military strategy for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye region. The offensive plan would be “suicidal”

    I think one of the problems with the US strategies, is they cannot imagine military ops without air dominance and massive artillery support vs an enemy that has all that.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:42 am

    I am no fan of Strelkov, but this may actually happen one way or another, even if I suspect it may not be immediately on the 1st of October:

    ASB Military News
    Girkin made a very interesting statement today, according to him, after LPR, DPR, Zaporozhie and Kherson are declared as parts of the Russian Federation, Russia will give Ukraine an ultimatum: “withdraw all your troops from our territory or we will declare war on Ukraine” according to Girkin, this is what’s gonna happen.

    This makes perfect sense. Those territories will became the Russian Federation. Fully fledged. No special status, it will be Russia proper from that point on. So Ukrainian troops present in villages and cities of the LPR, DPR, Zaporozhie and Kherson — will be occupying Russian mainland — from Russia’s point of view.

    This tactic is genius for the Russians for other reasons, Russian professional army will highly likely move to those new Russian territories the same night that Putin makes them part of the Russian Federation, essentially creating such a large military build up there that Ukraine has little to no chance to ever step a foot on those lands again.

    It also moves the Russian borders right to the frontlines of Nikolaev; meaning Russian manpower will be readily available and large numbers of Russian soldiers will likely be rotated to gain combat experience (rotations were happening the whole time, but nowhere near this level) — all this means that Odessa will become a much easier target. (Not easy, but easier)

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    Post  LMFS Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:47 am

    ASB Military News
    “If NATO doesn’t back the hell off, we are 1 second away from a nuclear war. If NATO continues to pretend that this is some game designed to weaken Russia.. Russia just changed the game. They said they are not playing this game anymore. The game has changed. NATO needs to wake up to the fact that anything it does once the referendums have passed will be an act of war against the Russian federation— and Russia will treat it as such and respond accordingly. It will not be a slow roll out, if NATO continues to provide Ukraine with the means to attack mother Russia, which very soon will be Kherson, Zaporozhie, you know all that daily pounding of the nuclear plant? It’s over man. It’s over. Do it again when it becomes Russia, I dare you Ukraine, you will cease to exist. I’m not saying Russia is gonna use nukes against them, Russia will just simply turn off the lights. Russia will kill the leadership (of Ukraine) The gloves are off, this has been a special military operation, we talked about how it constrains Russia (the SMO) now all constrains are off. When Russia starts defending mother Russia, they’re now gonna bring all of their abilities to the forefront. Russia has 25 million men available, they can go as big as NATO wants to go. Russia is ready to go as big as necessary. And if NATO wants to make this an issue, Russia will cross that threshold. If NATO wants to threaten the existence of Russia, by attacking Mother Russia either directly or indirectly through the Ukrainian proxy, then Russia will use every means at its disposal to ensure that it will fail — including nuclear weapons.” - former United States Marine Corps intelligence officer Scott Ritter

    Transcribed word for word by ASB from an interview with Scott Ritter at Redacted.

    Edit: the full show below, with Ritter and Eva Bartlett

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    Post  Erk Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:55 am

    Arestovych is claiming that Kiev can mobilize up to 5.5million people.
    Do they even have that many bullets left, let alone guns?

    "We are. after all. a 40-million-strong camp, we will draft a million if anything. And the West will also help. If we fall short, we will mobilize again."

    I can just imagine how their economy will blossom with 5million leaving the workforce.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:08 am

    VARGR198 wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:

    L7 can still be a potent gun, still I don't believe they will have a decent supply of ammo for them.
    The newest ones are Israeli, and Israel was already put on the wall for "not providing the weapon".
    What can be dug out from NATO warehouses is ancient stuff, that wouldn't do much harm to vanilla T-72M.
    For 72B3s and on, they can throw Zulu spears with the same result.
    Mir bro, you have some for handling? Laughing Laughing Laughing
    We can do ein gutes Gescheft!

    That thing is getting more and more ridiculous Laughing
    What is next, a 90mm Pattons from museums? dunno

    I was meaning in lack of ammo for the caliber. I just poorly worded it so my bad.  I do wonder if the Kiev regime has raided the tank musuem in Kiev? I've seen images of soviet tanks on display there.  Also the LDPR militaries have previously captured a T54 and a T34-85 taken from monuments a few months ago.

    T-55 can still be useful against IFV and buildings. But what's very obvious is the west are sending old outdated vehicles most of which have been in storage with no upgrades whatsoever and sending in fairly small numbers considering what's sitting in storage in Europe, UK and USA. And they can't use the argument they are sending Soviet equipment as that's what Ukraine is use to, as they have sent western armour already and even that was old. And Ukraine hadn't used T-55 for decades and it's extremely unlikely anyone in the army had experience using them.

    If u look at what Ukraine has received very limited modern equipment mostly old equipment thats been in storage for years no upgrades. The west have sent fairly small numbers if you consider what's in storage, Spain, France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands Italy, UK, USA for example have either no sent certain types of equipment in storage or sent very little, there must be hundreds if not thousands of various variants of Panhard in storage, haven't seen any 432 APC from UK or challenger 1 tanks and only five scimitar sent, no sabres and no FV433 Abbot SPG from UK. No Abrams, no M60 or M48, no LAV-25, a handful of Cadillac gage, and not seen any SP artillery from USA. From Europe no Centuro, mowag piranha, luchs, Fuchs, AMX-10P or AMX-10C, no AMX-30 tanks, hardly any leopard 1 and marders sent, no Wiesel's, no jaguar tank destroyers, small numbers of YPR-765, no Stridsvagn 74 or 103, there is loads of stuff laying around but the west seems reluctant to send it in big quantities. I haven't seen any Romanian equipment being sent and thats all based on Soviet equipment, model 89 (2s1), TABC-79(BRDM-2), MLI-84 (BMP-1/2), TAB-71(BTR-60), TAB-77(BTR 70), TR-580 or TR-85 based on T-55, APR-40 (BM 21),

    What I find funny is that for decades and even when I was in the British army we were all told that Soviet equipment was all crap and outdated, yet they(the west) see it ok and fit to send to a warzone in support of it's so called ally, dunno lol! Ukraine might have more troops but we all know majority have had weeks of training and with equipment numbers dwindling and the west sending older equipment in small numbers numbers won't win the war, these aren't robots, these are human beings who just because they have a rifle in their hands sitting in a trench doesn't mean they are dumb enough to know that they can't win a war without fire support, armour, aircraft, etc. There was talk of zekensky wanting to mobilize 5.5 million students, younger men across the whole of Ukraine to fight. I personally think he's dreaming. Professional Ukrainian troops numbers are getting smaller by the day, and u can't replace years of experience and training with a guy dragged off the street who has a few weeks training (and who most likely doesn't want to fight) and think they will win the war. I think Russia needs to keep hitting areas where they know the most experienced and best trained Ukrainian troops are and hit the best equipment Ukrainians have, form a solid defense line, and bombard the crap out of them eventually Ukraine will be left with little to zero experienced troops at which point the ill trained inexperienced troops will most likely given up in their thousands. The meat grinder effect on those territorial militia doesn't seem to have much effect as zekensky will keep sending these militia with their few weeks training to the front to tie up Russian artillery it's most likely these militia won't be doing any real advances or offensives they will be carried out by more experienced troops. If Ukraine has none left then they pretty much have a dug in sit in trench wait for death army. Thats all these militia do is cover a defensive line. A few months ago pictures surfaced of them using BRDM-1 and BTR-152 which they pretty much salvaged.


    As for the Kiev museum I been to it twice have plenty of pictures from it, nothing much to use if I am honest, only a handful of useful vehicles most dates back 1940's and older. One cool thing I remember was a train carriage with a T-54 turret at each end. I also got a chance to sit in a mig-23.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:15 am

    Erk wrote:Arestovych is claiming that Kiev can mobilize up to 5.5million people.
    Do they even have that many bullets left, let alone guns?

    "We are. after all. a 40-million-strong camp, we will draft a million if anything. And the West will also help. If we fall short, we will mobilize again."

    I can just imagine how their economy will blossom with 5million leaving the workforce.
    Only if they mobilize all men and women between 18-40 that are left in the country. No exceptions. Training and arming them would be impossible. 
    Arestovych has wild imagination per usual.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:23 am

    Erk wrote:Arestovych is claiming that Kiev can mobilize up to 5.5million people.
    Do they even have that many bullets left, let alone guns?

    "We are. after all. a 40-million-strong camp, we will draft a million if anything. And the West will also help. If we fall short, we will mobilize again."

    I can just imagine how their economy will blossom with 5million leaving the workforce.

    What this also means is that the drop in the economy and loss of revenue will have to fulfilled with more billions of dollars/euros, and then add to that the cost of wages, food, equipment, medicine, fuel that will be needed to support five million troops, the west are already sending 5-6 billions dollars a month to support Ukraine in these areas. If Ukraine did this I suspect the west would have to send at least double that more likely triple that, and then add all the extra equipment ammunition weapons that will be need to be supplied. And there won't be enough medical supplies or medical staff to deal with casualties meaning many will die of injuries that could have been prevented if they had proper medical supplies and care. The west seem to be struggling to supply now or unwilling to supply. Armour in storage takes time to overhaul and transport to Ukraine and then theirs training of said armour and equipment. What u will find Ukrainian mobilized troops will be driving to Frontlines using trucks, buses, civilian 4x4's and that with a rifle is all the equipment they will have, no fire support, no heavy weapons and most likely hardly any ammo. A bleak outcome indeed.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:27 am

    LMFS wrote:ASB Military News
    “If NATO doesn’t back the hell off, we are 1 second away from a nuclear war. If NATO continues to pretend that this is some game designed to weaken Russia.. Russia just changed the game. They said they are not playing this game anymore. The game has changed. NATO needs to wake up to the fact that anything it does once the referendums have passed will be an act of war against the Russian federation— and Russia will treat it as such and respond accordingly. It will not be a slow roll out, if NATO continues to provide Ukraine with the means to attack mother Russia, which very soon will be Kherson, Zaporozhie, you know all that daily pounding of the nuclear plant? It’s over man. It’s over. Do it again when it becomes Russia, I dare you Ukraine, you will cease to exist. I’m not saying Russia is gonna use nukes against them, Russia will just simply turn off the lights. Russia will kill the leadership (of Ukraine) The gloves are off, this has been a special military operation, we talked about how it constrains Russia (the SMO) now all constrains are off. When Russia starts defending mother Russia, they’re now gonna bring all of their abilities to the forefront. Russia has 25 million men available, they can go as big as NATO wants to go. Russia is ready to go as big as necessary. And if NATO wants to make this an issue, Russia will cross that threshold. If NATO wants to threaten the existence of Russia, by attacking Mother Russia either directly or indirectly through the Ukrainian proxy, then Russia will use every means at its disposal to ensure that it will fail — including nuclear weapons.” - former United States Marine Corps intelligence officer Scott Ritter

    Transcribed word for word by ASB from an interview with Scott Ritter at Redacted.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:28 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    T-55 can still be useful against IFV and buildings. But what's very obvious is the west are sending old outdated vehicles most of which have been in storage with no upgrades whatsoever and sending in fairly small numbers considering what's sitting in storage in Europe, UK and USA. And they can't use the argument they are sending Soviet equipment as that's what Ukraine is use to, as they have sent western armour already and even that was old. And Ukraine hadn't used T-55 for decades and it's extremely unlikely anyone in the army had experience using them.
    From what i remember from my time in service, T-55 was easy to learn to use as it was fairly simple design. They might even have some dinosaurs that still remember how to use them. Problem is that Ukraine, most likely, sold all its T-55 to Africa and Middle East in the 90's.
    If they had any we would already see them by now.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:47 am

    Erk wrote:Arestovych is claiming that Kiev can mobilize up to 5.5million people.
    Do they even have that many bullets left, let alone guns?

    "We are. after all. a 40-million-strong camp, we will draft a million if anything. And the West will also help. If we fall short, we will mobilize again."

    I can just imagine how their economy will blossom with 5million leaving the workforce.

    5.5 million combat aged (that is to say working aged, that is to say childbearing and family raising aged) people? How does he intend to avoid the economic and demographic disaster? I think, and I may be wrong but right now I can only call it as I see it, that the referendums and Russian mobilization of 300K to 1 million (depending on who you trust to get your info from) means that SMO is going to escalate and I think the Kremlin is going to expand its decimation efforts where it temporarily occupies non Russian areas, draws Ukrainian forces in, retreats, bombs and shells the living Banderashit out of them and wash rinse repeats down the line. Ukraine is sadly going to look a lot like Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc if this continues. Not because Russia doesn't care about civilians, I think the Kremlin has been doing everything possible to minimize civilian deathss, but because if this heats up I do think Ukrainian government, military, energy, and industrial infrastructure and all those involved in those will get leveled.

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    Post  Backman Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:00 am

    Alex M. from the Duran said on his program that there is another peace proposal floating around in Saudi. Something about Russia talking the 4 regions but Ukraine keeping Odessa. And the EU is warming up to deals like this.

    It seems to me to be highly unlikely but you never know. It's a useless deal to me. Russia needs a 300 kilometer buffer. Period.

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    Post  billybatts91 Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:01 am

    Backman wrote:Alex M. from the Duran said on his program that there is another peace proposal floating around in Saudi. Something about Russia talking the 4 regions but Ukraine keeping Odessa. And the EU is warming up to deals like this.

    It seems to me to be highly unlikely but you never know. It's a useless deal to me. Russia needs a 300 kilometer buffer. Period.

    No way will the West accept that. They will sanction Russia forever, just like they're doing Iran. They're comfortable with Russia being a permanent enemy.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:23 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    T-55 can still be useful against IFV and buildings. But what's very obvious is the west are sending old outdated vehicles most of which have been in storage with no upgrades whatsoever and sending in fairly small numbers considering what's sitting in storage in Europe, UK and USA. And they can't use the argument they are sending Soviet equipment as that's what Ukraine is use to, as they have sent western armour already and even that was old. And Ukraine hadn't used T-55 for decades and it's extremely unlikely anyone in the army had experience using them.
    From what i remember from my time in service, T-55 was easy to learn to use as it was fairly simple design. They might even have some dinosaurs that still remember how to use them. Problem is that Ukraine, most likely, sold all its T-55 to Africa and Middle East in the 90's.
    If they had any we would already see them by now.

    isn't its armor about as strong as frozen butter?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:29 am

    billybatts91 wrote:
    Backman wrote:Alex M. from the Duran said on his program that there is another peace proposal floating around in Saudi. Something about Russia talking the 4 regions but Ukraine keeping Odessa. And the EU is warming up to deals like this.

    It seems to me to be highly unlikely but you never know. It's a useless deal to me. Russia needs a 300 kilometer buffer. Period.

    No way will the West accept that. They will sanction Russia forever, just like they're doing Iran. They're comfortable with Russia being a permanent enemy.

    I think we are way past Russia giving a flying fck what the West wants or thinks.  The Bear is angry and is going to do what it wants, and the West can simply GTF outta the way or wear the consequences Razz

    Permenent enemy?  Russia has been that since forever.  Nothing had really changed in 1991, as the reptiles in US/Europe never intended anything except bringing Russia down, breaking her up, and taking control of her lands, people, energy and resources for the benefit of the Wests neoliberal elites.  Madeline Albright (may she burn forever in a pit of raging hellfire)  openly stated that Russia should be broken up into 3 parts - European Russia, Central Siberia, Far East - all the better to "integrate into the world economy". They rolled out their agenda by stealth, feigning "friendship" but always undermining and belittling Russia wherever possible, always doing what they could to contain and restrain, always attacking with propaganda tropes as a justification to apply new sanctions and never allow the normalisation of relations.  FFS, no sooner were the cold-war-era Jackson-Vanik ammendments retired, the necons engineered the "Magnitsky accords" to replace them...

    Look at all the endless political attacks against Russia and her interests - do you really believe that a hegemonistic block that forces this kind of shit can somehow be reasoned with????

    US covert support of Wahabbis in Chechnya
    Bombing of Serbia 1999, theft of Kosovo and handing it over to an organised-crime cartel
    Polonium poisoning of ex-spy Litvinenko (false flag)
    Endless faked allegations of "Putins billions" or "Putins palace"
    Endless faked allegations of Putin "killing his opponents" or "silencing journalists"
    Sanctions over the faked Magnitsky affair (to restore the sanctions that were removed after repeal of Jackson-Vanik law)
    US support for Georgian attack on South Ossetia
    US/NATO destruction of Libya (after Russia co-operating in the UNSC to permit no-fly zone to "save civilians").
    Smearing of Sochi Winter Olympics (corruption, poor facilities..)
    Fake allegation of "state sponsored doping" based on lies from a corrupt criminal (G.Rodchenkov)
    Pro-nazi putsch in Maidan
    MH17 false flag
    Syria regime change attempts (incl use of Wahabbi terror gangs and false flag CW attacks)
    Skripal "poisoning" false flag
    Navalny "poisoning" false flag
    Regime change in Armenia
    Regime change attempt against Belarus
    Regime change attempt against Kazahkstan
    US support of Ukr far-right nationalist regime, cover-up of its crimes and political repressions, and its acquisition of nuclear weaponry capabilities
    Theft of 300B of Russias national reserves

    Nah..  fck 'em.  They had their chance to act like responsible adults and seek peaceful co-existence, but instead they chose to be arrogant, greedy, ruthless, lying bastards and indulge in agression, extortion, robbery and outright murder in their desire to be the global kingpin.  Well, like all other Empires that have come and gone, the Collective West has over-dosed on its own hubris and has badly over-extended itself.  Now they are going to learn that despite their arrogant sense of exceptionalism and innate superiority over the "inferior" societies, they are staring terminal decline in the face.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of evil cnts.

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    Nah, its just lil' junior copying what his Big Momma Bear is doing to Ukropi claw-and-tooth fodder. Momma is getting back to primal basics... and its gonna be messy Razz

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:25 am

    Russian snipers still are as great as ever. https://twitter.com/TheHumanFund5/status/1573389509890543616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1573389509890543616%7Ctwgr%5E96b0c5b65fbeb1f1731677819e16fb4ee98615e0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinodefenceforum.com%2Ft%2Fukrainian-war-uploads.9007%2F

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    Post  billybatts91 Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:25 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:
    Backman wrote:Alex M. from the Duran said on his program that there is another peace proposal floating around in Saudi. Something about Russia talking the 4 regions but Ukraine keeping Odessa. And the EU is warming up to deals like this.

    It seems to me to be highly unlikely but you never know. It's a useless deal to me. Russia needs a 300 kilometer buffer. Period.

    No way will the West accept that. They will sanction Russia forever, just like they're doing Iran. They're comfortable with Russia being a permanent enemy.

    I think we are way past Russia giving a flying fck what the West wants or thinks.  The Bear is angry and is going to do what it wants, and the West can simply GTF outta the way or wear the consequences Razz

    Permenent enemy?  Russia has been that since forever.  Nothing had really changed in 1991, as the reptiles in US/Europe never intended anything except bringing Russia down, breaking her up, and taking control of her lands, people, energy and resources for the benefit of the Wests neoliberal elites.  Madeline Albright (may she burn forever in a pit of raging hellfire)  openly stated that Russia should be broken up into 3 parts - European Russia, Central Siberia, Far East - all the better to "integrate into the world economy". They rolled out their agenda by stealth, feigning "friendship" but always undermining and belittling Russia wherever possible, always doing what they could to contain and restrain, always attacking with propaganda tropes as a justification to apply new sanctions and never allow the normalisation of relations.  FFS, no sooner were the cold-war-era Jackson-Vanik ammendments retired, the necons engineered the "Magnitsky accords" to replace them...

    Look at all the endless political attacks against Russia and her interests - do you really believe that a hegemonistic block that forces this kind of shit can somehow be reasoned with????

    US covert support of Wahabbis in Chechnya
    Bombing of Serbia 1999, theft of Kosovo and handing it over to an organised-crime cartel
    Polonium poisoning of ex-spy Litvinenko (false flag)
    Endless faked allegations of "Putins billions" or "Putins palace"
    Endless faked allegations of Putin "killing his opponents" or "silencing journalists"
    Sanctions over the faked Magnitsky affair (to restore the sanctions that were removed after repeal of Jackson-Vanik law)
    US support for Georgian attack on South Ossetia
    US/NATO destruction of Libya (after Russia co-operating in the UNSC to permit no-fly zone to "save civilians").
    Smearing of Sochi Winter Olympics (corruption, poor facilities..)
    Fake allegation of "state sponsored doping" based on lies from a corrupt criminal (G.Rodchenkov)
    Pro-nazi putsch in Maidan
    MH17 false flag
    Syria regime change attempts (incl use of Wahabbi terror gangs and false flag CW attacks)
    Skripal "poisoning" false flag
    Navalny "poisoning" false flag
    Regime change in Armenia
    Regime change attempt against Belarus
    Regime change attempt against Kazahkstan
    US support of Ukr far-right nationalist regime, cover-up of its crimes and political repressions, and its acquisition of nuclear weaponry capabilities
    Theft of 300B of Russias national reserves

    Nah..  fck 'em.  They had their chance to act like responsible adults and seek peaceful co-existence, but instead they chose to be arrogant, greedy, ruthless, lying bastards and indulge in agression, extortion, robbery and outright murder in their desire to be the global kingpin.  Well, like all other Empires that have come and gone, the Collective West has over-dosed on its own hubris and has badly over-extended itself.  Now they are going to learn that despite their arrogant sense of exceptionalism and innate superiority over the "inferior" societies, they are staring terminal decline in the face.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of evil cnts.

    I agree with your sentiment. I think Putin palling it up with western leaders all those years, Medvedev eating burgers with Obama etc. was a huge mistake. We know the west has been doing things against Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia shouldn't have even tried to befriend them like they did for years. You can't change their mind. They don't like Russia and never will. They want to contain Russia, weaken Russia, cause regime change in Russia and break up Russia if they could. They are an eternal enemy for Russia and should always be treated as such. Never get cozy with them...This should be a lesson learned for Russia.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:53 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Erk wrote:Arestovych is claiming that Kiev can mobilize up to 5.5million people.
    Do they even have that many bullets left, let alone guns?

    "We are. after all. a 40-million-strong camp, we will draft a million if anything. And the West will also help. If we fall short, we will mobilize again."

    I can just imagine how their economy will blossom with 5million leaving the workforce.

    5.5 million combat aged (that is to say working aged, that is to say childbearing and family raising aged) people? How does he intend to avoid the economic and demographic disaster?  I think, and I may be wrong but right now I can only call it as I see it, that the referendums and Russian mobilization of 300K to 1 million (depending on who you trust to get your info from) means that SMO is going to escalate and I think the Kremlin is going to expand its decimation efforts where it temporarily occupies non Russian areas, draws Ukrainian forces in, retreats, bombs and shells the living Banderashit out of them and wash rinse repeats down the line.  Ukraine is sadly going to look a lot like Iraq, Syria, Yemen etc if this continues. Not because Russia doesn't care about civilians, I think the Kremlin has been doing everything possible to minimize civilian deathss, but because if this heats up I do think Ukrainian government, military, energy, and industrial infrastructure and all those involved in those will get leveled.

    Oh quit this nonsense already.
    According to the EU provided data, more than 7 MILLION Ukrainian refugees were registered in the member states since 240222.
    The area administrated by Russia and undergoing referendum are at least the same number.
    Previous refugee wave backing in 2014 totaled 2.5mln only in Poland, at least the same amount left for Russia, and third spread among the remaining EU states. That is next 7-8 mln, maybe even more.
    Ukraine was about 45 mln in 2012, facing hard decline from the peak that fulfilled the "misery of the Ukrainians in the Soviet Union", that is why they climbed for more than 53 mln in 1993, just a year after claiming independence.
    So 45 mln minus 7-8 mln left after the maidan circus started, 2.5 mln Creimeans, 7-8 mnl for the Novorossia territory, and 7-8 mln in the last few months.
    Ding the math with me?
    What is left, is a 22-25 mln people AT MAXIMUM, with a drastically destructed social structure, with no young males, as most of those are gone for work.
    In a worst-case scenario, they are already below 20 mln.
    How they want to keep that running is irrelevant, they don't. They will be feeded by the EU and the others as long as there will be anyone capable to hold a gun pointed at Russkies.

    mnztr wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    T-55 can still be useful against IFV and buildings. But what's very obvious is the west are sending old outdated vehicles most of which have been in storage with no upgrades whatsoever and sending in fairly small numbers considering what's sitting in storage in Europe, UK and USA. And they can't use the argument they are sending Soviet equipment as that's what Ukraine is use to, as they have sent western armour already and even that was old. And Ukraine hadn't used T-55 for decades and it's extremely unlikely anyone in the army had experience using them.
    From what i remember from my time in service, T-55 was easy to learn to use as it was fairly simple design. They might even have some dinosaurs that still remember how to use them. Problem is that Ukraine, most likely, sold all its T-55 to Africa and Middle East in the 90's.
    If they had any we would already see them by now.

    isn't its armor about as strong as frozen butter?

    It doesn't matter.
    Having any tank beats not having one.
    Aside, it has a solid 200 mm protection, and can be destroyed by dedicated anti armor means only.
    The last footage made by the guys from 76th VDV just showed how BTR-82A is performing an execution against a column of M113.
    A single T-55 would have blown this BTR to pieces instead.

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