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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:56 am

    crod wrote:
    Backman wrote:Mark Sleboda with a good summary. He says that there's gonna be the biggest battle in the war yet in the south east.

    He also says that Russia has to take out the Kiev regime. But they weren't because they wanted to signal that they were still open to the idea of the war being limited.

    But’s that’s ok because isn’t that where the main thrust of the RF are based along with the reserve build up?
    I read south east as somewhere around Ugledar.
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    Post  crod Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:58 am

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    Why were they even wasting time burying them?

    Just send the photos to family members, take DNA sample for paper pushers and burn that trash where it lies so it doesn't spread disease

    Lmfao Papa, with little doubt you were born with a lump of flint in lieu of a heart. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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    Post  Regular Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:09 am

    crod wrote:

    Lmfao Papa, with little doubt you were born with a lump of flint in lieu of a heart. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    His heart is hardened already - he’s a teacher

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:11 am

    September 17, 04:07
    Military operation in Ukraine
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation showed the work of the T-72, which destroyed 60 nationalists
    According to the agency, during the special military operation, he eliminated 11 tanks, four pickup trucks, an armored personnel carrier


    MOSCOW, 17 September. /TASS/. The Russian Defense Ministry published on Saturday footage of the combat work of the crew of the T-72 tank, which destroyed more than 15 military vehicles and over 60 nationalists, including foreigners, during a special operation.

    "Stars are [applied] on our tank - these are destroyed enemy tanks. During a special military operation, we destroyed 11 tanks, four pickup trucks, an armored personnel carrier and more than 60 nationalists, including foreign citizens," the commander of the T-72 tank, junior sergeant Ilyaz Yunusov, said in a video released.

    The Russian military department noted that the tank crew from Bashkiria continues to perform tasks and thereby help the population of Donbass.

    Video link https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15783239

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:09 am

    https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/14989

    Ukraine: Somewhere between Afghanization and Syrianization
    Ukraine is finished as a nation - neither side will rest in this war. The only question is whether it will be an Afghan or Syrian style finale.
    By Pepe Escobar
    August 30 2022

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    One year after the astounding US humiliation in Kabul – and on the verge of another serious comeuppance in Donbass – there is reason to believe Moscow is wary of Washington seeking vengeance: in the form of the ‘Afghanization’ of Ukraine.

    With no end in sight to western weapons and finance flowing into Kiev, it must be recognized that the Ukrainian battle is likely to disintegrate into yet another endless war. Like the Afghan jihad in the 1980s which employed US-armed and funded guerrillas to drag Russia into its depths, Ukraine’s backers will employ those war-tested methods to run a protracted battle that can spill into bordering Russian lands.

    Yet this US attempt at crypto-Afghanization will at best accelerate the completion of what Russia’s Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu describes as the “tasks” of its Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine. For Moscow right now, that road leads all the way to Odessa.

    It didn’t have to be this way. Until the recent assassination of Darya Dugina at Moscow’s gates, the battlefield in Ukraine was in fact under a ‘Syrianization’ process.

    Like the foreign proxy war in Syria this past decade, frontlines around significant Ukrainian cities had roughly stabilized. Losing on the larger battlefields, Kiev had increasingly moved to employ terrorist tactics. Neither side could completely master the immense war theater at hand. So the Russian military opted to keep minimal forces in battle – contrary to the strategy it employed in 1980s Afghanistan.

    Let’s remind ourselves of a few Syrian facts: Palmyra was liberated in March 2016, then lost and retaken in 2017. Aleppo was liberated only in December 2016. Deir Ezzor in September 2017. A slice of northern Hama in December and January 2018. The outskirts of Damascus in the Spring of 2018. Idlib – and significantly, over 25 percent of Syrian territory – are still not liberated. That tells a lot about rhythm in a war theater.

    The Russian military never made a conscious decision to interrupt the multi-channel flow of western weapons to Kiev. Methodically destroying those weapons once they’re in Ukrainian territory – with plenty of success – is another matter. The same applies to smashing mercenary networks.

    Moscow is well aware that any negotiation with those pulling the strings in Washington – and dictating all terms to puppets in Brussels and Kiev – is futile. The fight in Donbass and beyond is a do or die affair.

    So the battle will go on, destroying what’s left of Ukraine, just as it destroyed much of Syria. The difference is that economically, much more than in Syria, what’s left of Ukraine will plunge into a black void. Only territory under Russian control will be rebuilt, and that includes, significantly, the bulk of Ukraine’s industrial infrastructure.

    What’s left – rump Ukraine – has already been plundered anyway, as Monsanto, Cargill and Dupont have already bagged 17 million hectares of prime, fertile arable land – over half of what Ukraine still possesses. That translates de facto as BlackRock, Blackstone and Vanguard, top agro-business shareholders, owning whatever lands that really matter in non-sovereign Ukraine.

    Going forward, by next year the Russians will be applying themselves to cutting off Kiev from NATO weapons supplies. As that unfolds, the Anglo-Americans will eventually move whatever puppet regime remains to Lviv. And Kiev terrorism – conducted by Bandera worshippers – will continue to be the new normal in the capital.

    The Kazakh double game

    By now it’s abundantly clear this is not a mere war of territorial conquest. It’s certainly part of a War of Economic Corridors – as the US spares no effort to sabotage and smash the multiple connectivity channels of Eurasia’s integration projects, be they Chinese-led (Belt and Road Initiative, BRI) or Russian-led (Eurasian Economic Union, EAEU).

    Just like the proxy war in Syria remade large swathes of West Asia (witness, for instance, Erdogan about to meet Assad), the fight in Ukraine, in a microcosm, is a war for the reconfiguration of the current world order, where Europe is a mere self-inflicted victim in a minor subplot. The Big Picture is the emergence of multipolarity.

    The proxy war in Syria lasted a decade, and it’s not over yet. The same may happen to the proxy war in Ukraine. As it stands, Russia has taken an area that is roughly equivalent to Hungary and Slovakia combined. That’s still far from “task” fulfillment – and it’s bound to go on until Russia has taken all the land right up to the Dnieper as well as Odessa, connecting it to the breakaway Republic of Transnistria.

    It’s enlightening to see how important Eurasian actors are reacting to such geopolitical turbulence. And that brings us to the cases of Kazakhstan and Turkey.

    The Telegram channel Rybar (with over 640k followers) and hacker group Beregini revealed in an investigation that Kazakhstan was selling weapons to Ukraine, which translates as de facto treason against their own Russian allies in the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). Consider too that Kazakhstan is also part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and the EAEU, the two hubs of the Eurasian-led multipolar order.

    As a consequence of the scandal, Kazakhstan was forced to officially announce the suspension of all weapons exports until the end of 2023.

    It began with hackers unveiling how Technoexport – a Kazakh company – was selling armed personnel carriers, anti-tank systems and munitions to Kiev via Jordanian intermediaries, under the orders of the United Kingdom. The deal itself was supervised by the British military attaché in Nur-Sultan, the Kazakh capital.

    Nur-Sultan predictably tried to dismiss the allegations, arguing that Technoexport had not asked for export licenses. That was essentially false: the Rybar team discovered that Technoexport instead used Blue Water Supplies, a Jordanian firm, for those. And the story gets even juicier. All the contract documents ended up being found in the computers of Ukrainian intel.

    Moreover, the hackers found out about another deal involving Kazspetsexport, via a Bulgarian buyer, for the sale of Kazakh Su-27s, airplane turbines and Mi-24 helicopters. These would have been delivered to the US, but their final destination was Ukraine.

    The icing on this Central Asian cake is that Kazakhstan also sells significant amounts of Russian – not Kazakh – oil to Kiev.

    So it seems that Nur-Sultan, perhaps unofficially, somehow contributes to the ‘Afghanization’ in the war in Ukraine. No diplomatic leaks confirm it, of course, but bets can be made Putin had a few things to say about that to President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev in their recent – cordial – meeting.

    The Sultan’s balancing act

    Turkey is a way more complex case. Ankara is not a member of the SCO, the CSTO or the EAEU. It is still hedging its bets, calculating on which terms it will join the high-speed rail of Eurasian integration. And yet, via several schemes, Ankara allows Moscow to evade the avalanche of western sanctions and embargoes.

    Turkish businesses – literally all of them with close connections to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) – are making a killing, and relishing their new role as crossroads warehouse between Russia and the west. It’s an open boast in Istanbul that what Russia cannot buy from Germany or France they buy “from us.” And in fact several EU companies are in on it.

    Ankara’s balancing act is as sweet as a good baklava. It gathers economic support from a very important partner right in the middle of the endless, very serious Turkish economic debacle. They agree on nearly everything: Russian gas, S-400 missile systems, the building of the Russian nuclear power plant, tourism – Istanbul is crammed with Russians – Turkish fruits and vegetables.

    Ankara-Moscow employ sound textbook geopolitics. They play it openly, in full transparence. That does not mean they are allies. It’s just pragmatic business between states. For instance, an economic response may alleviate a geopolitical problem, and vice-versa.

    Obviously the collective west has completely forgotten how that normal state-to-state behavior works. It’s pathetic. Turkey gets “denounced” by the west as traitorous – as much as China.

    Of course Erdogan also needs to play to the galleries, so every once in a while he says that Crimea should be retaken by Kiev. After all, his companies also do business with Ukraine – Bayraktar drones and otherwise.

    And then there’s proselytizing: Crimea remains theoretically ripe for Turkish influence, where Ankara may exploit the notions of pan-Islamism and mostly pan-Turkism, capitalizing on the historical relations between the peninsula and the Ottoman Empire.

    Is Moscow worried? Not really. As for those Bayraktar TB2s sold to Kiev, they will continue to be relentlessly reduced to ashes. Nothing personal. Just business.
    The views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of The Cradle.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:49 am

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/16/kazakhstan-russia-ukraine-war/

    Kazakhstan Is Breaking Out of Russia’s Grip
    Russian pro-government media and Telegram channels claim that Kazakhstan has gone so far as to supply Ukraine with arms. The allegations are based on a supposedly leaked contract under which the Kazakh company Technoexport is purported to be exporting Soviet-era weapons and ammunition to Ukraine via Jordan and the United Kingdom.
    ...
    Several months after the beginning of the war in Ukraine, Tokayev visited Turkey for the first time since his inauguration. It was a groundbreaking visit: The parties boosted their relationship to the level of a strategic partnership and agreed to start producing Turkish drones in Kazakhstan. But more importantly, Kazakhstan agreed to exchange military intelligence with Turkey.
    ...
    Another recent port of call for Tokayev was Baku. While Kazakhstan refuses to support Russia’s military campaigns, it has not shown the same reluctance to take sides in the ongoing territorial conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh. Although the Azerbaijani army defeated Kazakhstan’s CSTO ally Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh, that did not stop Tokayev from congratulating Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev on “restoring the territorial integrity” of his country.
    ...
    In Russia, the hawkish part of the political elite is unhappy with the news coming out of Kazakhstan, and Moscow is ready to remind Astana of the price it will pay for worsening relations. Russia accounts for a fifth of Kazakhstan’s total external trade, while over half of Kazakhstan’s cargo transits Russian territory. If pushed, Russia could cut off Kazakhstan’s main source of income. Right now, 80 percent of Kazakhstan’s oil exports are through the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC), in which Russia holds a 31 percent stake. In the last few months, there have been no fewer than five incidents involving the CPC that have led to a complete stop or substantial decrease in oil exports from Kazakhstan to Europe.


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    Post  sepheronx Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:54 am

    I truly believe that eventually Russia will have to punish Kazakhstan. And guaranteed China will follow along. It doesn't seem Kazakhs are very bright seeing as they are wedged between two major powers that they will end up antagonizing on behest of Turkey.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:07 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    I am ashamed that this "mountaineer" is my countryman. Alamo, you'll sooner reach the next nearest star than explain anything to him. A complete idiot...

    Well, you are living in a different country, that is not an EU member.
    All this shit talk about how the situation is brilliant "in the west" is a part of a targeted propaganda campaign.
    Tons of people catch the bait not because are stupid, but because the campaign is deliberated&precise.
    And already well trained with other countries in the last few decades.
    All the 80s/90s we watched about how old, well-established companies with their own pension funds have been destroyed by the hordes of white-collar dressed banksters and "reformers". Only to rob them, steal the assets, grab the land, split it into pieces and sell to developers for moles&offices. It was a common practice in the UK, and Germany, the only country that resisted to this organized robbery was France having strong labor unions and traditional socialist agenda.
    The West is radically unequal, and not so great as pictures himself, you know.

    Hole wrote:

    The other side, from an Saker article:

    I said that a while ago already.
    All the stats given by the Ukr are misleading.
    Not only the population is well below 30 mln now, but what is much more important, its social structure is totally destructed.
    Only in my close neighbourhood, I have SEVEN young males from Ukraine. Including my employee.
    Now multiply that by tens of thousands of cases along the whole Poland, Russia, Germany, Romania etc, and it turns out that physically half of the male population of productive age already left Ukraine for good.

    caveat emptor wrote:Chemezov's lapdog, Dmitri Shugaev is a head of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation. Corrupt and inept POS.

    https://ria.ru/20220916/bpla-1817468462.html

    Russia has the best drones, said the head of the FSMTC

    The head of the FSMTC Shugaev: Russia has no problems with drones, we have the best.
    SAMARKAND, September 16 - RIA Novosti. Russia has no problems with drones, they are the best and there are enough of them, said Dmitry Shugaev, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation.
    "We don't have a problem with drones. We have the best drones. We have the most amazing drones," he told reporters.
    When asked if there were enough of them, Shugaev said that "we have enough of everything."
    Earlier, some media and Telegram channels disseminated unconfirmed information that fragments of a drone, outwardly similar to an Iranian kamikaze drone, were allegedly found in the Russian special operation zone in Ukraine . Commenting on these reports, Shugaev urged to believe only statements from the Ministry of Defense.

    Sure he said that they have enough drones. And the best drones. Yet didn't say where those are coming from Laughing Laughing



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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:38 am

    flamming_python wrote:https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/14989

    And then there’s proselytizing: Crimea remains theoretically ripe for Turkish influence, where Ankara may exploit the notions of pan-Islamism and mostly pan-Turkism, capitalizing on the historical relations between the peninsula and the Ottoman Empire.

    Turkic Tatars make up about 12% of the Crimean population, so they're in minority(1), and within them the even smaller minority of Islamic hardliners (eg Hizb-ut-Tahrir aficionados, occasional jihadis) has been decimated.(2)

    So I have a hard time believing that Turkey has any significant leverage there.

    The vast, vast majority of Crimean Tatars are just ordinary people, citizens of Russia, and disinterested in crap like this.

    *1. Really, even when the Russian Imperial census was carried out in the late 1800s they were in minority in Crimea. So it has remained ever since. The only major demographical changes in Crimea for 130-ish years have been the influx of Ukrainians during the USSR, and of course Stalins deportation of Tatars during WW2 (as they were accused of collaborating with the Nazi occupiers, which in all honesty was to a large extent absolutely true, but the mass deportation remains a crime, and Russia recognizes it as such, hence the damages paid and the annual remembrance day)

    They returned to Crimea from their Stalin-imposed exile in Central Asia in the 1980s and actually there are more Crimean Tatars in Crimea now than there's ever been in history, but Russians outnumber them by far anyway.

    *2. Lots of the hardliners left the peninsula in 2014 and continued to (unsuccessfully) agitate from Kiev or elsewhere. It was quite funny to be honest, as Crimea under Ukrainian rule certainly did not give a flying feck about them (even some of the people in the Maidan coup government had a history of hating on them, funny). But Ukraine has no principles or anything, so the Islamic nutters were invited immediately, to be used as subversive elements, and they just went along with it.  

    The local FSB branch in Crimea has been very effective at rooting out the few remaining nutters.

    edit: and of course, the reason Empress Catherine II with the help of Prince Potyomkin annexed Crimea in the 1700s, the reason Russians have lived there since, was to stop the 300-400 years of constant skirmishes and Ottoman-supported Tatar invasions and slave raids into Russia. They even burned down Moscow itself once. A reason as good as any to pacify a region, so to speak.


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    Post  ALAMO Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:46 am

    I have one general observation @talking heads who are trying to beat each other in a struggle who will shock the audience more and get more donations.

    The biggest problem is, that people draw their own expectations, and are trying to push the Russkie actions into it.
    As the 6th month of this operation is fading away, the only sure thing we can tell about the goals of the operation is what was said officially.
    And that the goals have changed already.
    Again, some of you missing the time perspective, judging the situation by a time stamp. A picture, while it is a long movie series.
    Till the very last moment, all Russkie demands were limited to the formal acceptance of Crimea's de facto status, and the implementation the Minsk agreements.
    The Minsk agreements were all about retaining Ukrainian statehood in the existing borders (minus Crimea), only granting the wider autonomy to the republics.
    A federalization of Ukraine, which was an official agenda of the WESTERN Ukraine not a long time ago, only when Yanuk ruled. They have only called that in a different way but all the talk about constitutional changes were about granting the bigger cake ... I mean independence of course Laughing - to the westerners.
    Keeping quasi neutral status, with joining the EU but staying out of NATO.
    And that was much it!
    The Russias demands were actually very modest considering the situation on the ground, and the fact that Ukraine already has been transferred into a zombie proxy force.
    Nobody was talking about erasing the Ukraine from the map. Nobody was talking about it's physical partition, and reclaiming the lands. Nobody was even talking about the changing of republics status.
    And that was a condition in a day -10.
    Then, but that is my guess only, something happened.
    Was it the Ukrainians getting ready for a major offensive, or some staged terrorist acts in Crimea, or some red flag ops from "western partners" - we won't know that. But Russkie considered that as a lethal threat and struck first.
    Again, it was enough to listen to what Putin was saying.
    If the row is sure, one should hit first.

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The only major demographical changes in Crimea for 130-ish years have been the influx of Ukrainians during the USSR, and of course Stalins deportation of Tatars during WW2 (as they were accused of collaborating with the Nazi occupiers, which in all honesty was to a large extent absolutely true, but the mass deportation remains a crime, and Russia recognizes it as such, hence the damages paid and the annual remembrance day)

    Oh, you are calling that in a very humble way, but I have made an intellectual game once.
    Calculated the number of Crimean Tatars in SS, and other military ranks and combined that with the population.
    It turned out that a pre-war Poland should mobilize a 2 million-strong army to match the same percentage. We managed to call in arms about half of that, and that was after the mass mobilization.
    The other side o this coin was the actual actions&behaving of those forces. Germans used them as counterinsurgency forces, in Belarus, Poland, and France. They proved themselves as very low-quality forces, yet extremely brutal to the level of bestiality. This brutality was mostly speared against the civilian population. It shocked even the hardened Einsatzkommando officers who were placed in charge.
    Oh my oh my oh my, why this Stalin the Beast retaliated?

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:58 am

    Having suffered a massive defeat in Ukraine, the U.S is now trying to set Russia's southern border on fire

    Azerbaijan is invading Armenia

    Tajikistan is fighting Kyrgyzstan

    Taliban are shelling Uzbekistan

    Chechen opposition is unifying

    Georgia is contemplating a referendum on taking back Ossetia

    Kazakhstan is necking with China

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:09 am

    Sujoy wrote:Having suffered a massive defeat in Ukraine, the U.S is now trying to set Russia's southern border on fire
    Azerbaijan is invading Armenia
    Tajikistan is fighting Kyrgyzstan
    Taliban are shelling Uzbekistan
    Chechen opposition is unifying
    Georgia is contemplating a referendum on taking back Ossetia
    Kazakhstan is necking with China

    All those things happen in a regular manner.
    Tajikistan has unresolved issues with Kyrgyzstan like forever. A whole border is claimed, and there are several enclaves inside both countries claimed by the other side. Just take a look at the map.
    Plus they have tensions considering the water supply there. It is nothing new.
    Azeri vs. Armenia is so long story that is getting boring.
    Chechen opposition can unify as much as they want, while they still can Laughing
    Georgia can make a referendum on any matter they wish including the incorporation of the Solar System and the Andromeda galaxy. Little green fellas living there are already pissing their pants, or whatever they wear.
    Kazahstan is balancing like forever, there is nothing new here.
    And - last but not least - Talibans already offered 100 000 people to help Russia fight Satan Laughing Laughing so I guess that they are only practicing now Twisted Evil

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    Post  nomadski Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:27 am

    Many disadvantages in acting slow in Ukraine : First that the Nazis have time and space to regroup and train and launch offensives and gain confidence  . Second that the West can impose sanctions for longer against Russian economy , rather than having to live with a done deed . Third is the negative psychological impact on Russian society , loosing hope in war ending soon , lack of trust in leadership . Fourth is business confidence and trade suffering , lack of investment in society . Fifth is brain drain by technocrats . Sixth is increase in political fighting and instability . A few disadvantages in acting fast in Ukraine : First that troops may have to be drawn from industry , or possible disruption there . Second that a large operation may result in large casualties . Third is that the offensive may fail , and result in retreat .

    However on balance , the disadvantages of a prolonged and underpowered action , outweighs a fast and decisive action by far . Labour force can be drawn from women to replace men in the workplaces . Releasing a huge resource ,without damaging the economy . There are other solutions also , such as soldiers on leave replacing workers , to allow fresh troops and actual training of civilian population for a fast rotation . The other solution is to keep offensives at regular intervals but short in duration , thus saving jobs and industry , whilst punitive assaults thin the Nazi ranks . As far as casualties are concerned , they are going to happen in both cases . But less likely to be as severe in a full force , because of numerical superiority , than a small diminished force and the psychological impact of news of continuous losses at the front , rather than a single event . If offensives do not achieve intended goals , they are unlikely to be total fails , still lessons can be learned in his to launch punitive massive strikes in waves . Lastly stubbornness should not be confused with perseverance . One is adaptive , the other is not . Flexibility in thinking and tactics is essential in war . Egotism leads to death .

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:34 am

    Sujoy wrote:Having suffered a massive defeat in Ukraine, the U.S is now trying to set Russia's southern border on fire

    Azerbaijan is invading Armenia

    Tajikistan is fighting Kyrgyzstan

    Taliban are shelling Uzbekistan

    Chechen opposition is unifying

    Georgia is contemplating a referendum on taking back Ossetia

    Kazakhstan is necking with China

    Who the fk cares

    Desperate bunch

    Making a huge phantom propaganda victory out of every Kharkov offensive against an enemy not even present there, or Modi encouraging Putin to seek peace during their talks in Samarkand.
    I mean it. Check out their mounds of articles just about that 1 sentence from Modi; out of all other things Putin & Modi discussed.
    Or the phrase from Xi taken totally out of context entirely, in an attempt to re frame China as putting pressure on Russia.

    While at the same time adopting an entirely solemn mood, attempting to dictate to other countries about who they should and shouldn't trade with or have relations with. Denouncing countries such as Hungary for not towing the line enough, threatening to sanction Turkish banks.

    Because they're grasping at straws at this point. They know they have to negotiate seriously with Russia. That despite buying into delusions about Russia's coming collapse on the battlefield - that this won't actually happen. That the economic collapse won't happen either. And that the unilateral world is already a thing of the past in fact, and that they'll de-facto have to recognize that when they offer Russia some sort of deal and perhaps go hat in hand to the Indians or Chinese to ask for their mediation.
    But they want to put off that moment for as long as possible, and live in their collective delusion a while longer, maybe organizing a few more mass-suicides/advances for the Ukraine to buy time.


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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:54 am

    Sujoy wrote:Having suffered a massive defeat in Ukraine, the U.S is now trying to set Russia's southern border on fire

    Azerbaijan is invading Armenia

    Tajikistan is fighting Kyrgyzstan

    Taliban are shelling Uzbekistan

    Chechen opposition is unifying

    Georgia is contemplating a referendum on taking back Ossetia

    Kazakhstan is necking with China

    Well concerning Ossetia and Abkhazia for Georgia, that is a similar story as Kosovo for Serbia. It is their land that in the past has been too passively welcoming of nomadic settlers coming from abroad. And at one point these "guests" kicked the local inhabitants away from their own houses.

    I will add more details in the Georgian thread, as it is off topic for the Ukrainian war discussion.

    I just want here to reiterate that the situation in Georgia has nothing to do with that in the Ukraine, and that because of mistakes from both sizes the relationship between Georgia and Russia has been ruined (and this is another mess caused by Gorbaciov, Shevardnadze and Eltsin)

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    Post  dionis Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:55 am

    Alright, seriously this time, who came up with this 10-15% number for Russian military involved in Ukraine?

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    Post  Isos Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:57 am

    dionis wrote:Alright, seriously this time, who came up with this 10-15% number for Russian military involved in Ukraine?


    According to US estimations there were 150k troops at the border of Ukraine in February. Russian armed forces have around 1 million soldiers.

    That's 10-15%.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:05 am

    flamming_python wrote: or Modi encouraging Putin to seek peace during their talks in Samarkand.
    I mean it. Check out their mounds of articles just about that 1 sentence from Modi; out of all other things Putin & Modi discussed.
    Has the Russian media provided any details about what were the various topics that were discussed by President Putin & Modi?

    RSS affliated individuals are suggesting that Modi didn't quite ask Putin to end the war in Ukraine. Simply suggested to ensure that prices of food, fuel remain low so that developing countries can afford it.



    That being said, Modi is a CIA mole so he needs to provide some sound bites to his handlers. Most of the time he doesn't even realize what he is talking about.

    Be that as it may, these above mentioned flare ups maybe old but are nonetheless designed by the West to adversely affect Russia's sphere of influence. Almost all these countries affected are Russia's friends/allies

    Kremlin should take pro active action against such malicious campaigns.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:29 am

    ... while Moscow continues playing nice.

    Playing nice murdering thousands of Ukrainian soldiers on the front lines every day...

    One would have thought by now the russians would have gotten the message, man this incompetence is starting to get legendary

    Putins incompetence has led to the current situation... Russia in the toilet and refusing western help... Rolling Eyes

    The Orcs made a minor advance... when they push through to actually take back the Donbass you can claim success but otherwise this is minor and most likely temporary.

    Oh Yeah of little faith being shamed by an Athiest like me...

    Ukraine heavily shelled civilian targets inside Russia yesterday, killing civilians.

    Oh, my god... they did something they have been doing the last 8 years... what a shock... how unexpected...

    The difference is that while they continue to shell they are getting shelled at 100 times the rate and are losing thousands of men per day...

    Perfect example of 2 English language media personalities who were on Russia's side and have been pulling ppl in. And then Russia just drops an impossible task on their lap. They have no choice but to try and explain it away. But there is no explaining it away really.

    You seem to be forgetting what the west is currently doing... I doubt Putin could care less what the people of the west want or think... it is what their governments are doing that he is interested in and so he has to act in the interests of Russia and Russians... the internet is public... Putin and Shoigu would have to be lunatics to explain the fucking plan to the western public... when the point of the plan is to defeat the Orcs in the Ukraine and Orcs will be listening too.

    Let the public think there are problems if that means the enemy thinks they have Russia on the ropes and continues to do stupid things that cost them fuel and equipment and vehicles and men.

    But continue to cry that no one will tell you what is actually happening and other people on the internet tell you their guesses which you just brush off as Cope.

    Keep blubbering like a child and say the sky is falling Chicken Little.

    [quote]You do understand that all these postings are just filtered and recycled content from Russian tg groups? I don't think anyone here is a doomer. People are just not happy with the direction of operation. Mostly due to political decisions.[/quoet]

    You love bitching and blaming everything on Putin... because none of this is Ukraines fault or Americas fault or the EUs fault...  Rolling Eyes

    36,000 105mm artillery rounds
    1,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds

    Interesting.... the Ukraine doesn't use 105mm guns do they... so that means the M777s are not that popular and they got lighter guns that are perhaps easier to hide and faster to set up and take down... I would guess the British 105mm calibre Taddie... were they the ones they said you couldn't have because they couldn't afford them?

    It wouldn't surprise me if the Saker and Martyanov venture over to team doom if things keep going as they are.

    Don't think they have it in them to support the enemy... nazis are nazis.

    Putin said that the special operation's overall plan won't see any major alterations.

    Why should it... Orcs are dying at the front line and also behind the lines in depots and HQs and comms centres...

    Putin emphasized that Moscow is "in no hurry" to reach its objectives, and using only contract troops, not the full force of the Russian army.

    Nothing has really changed... lots of targets to hit on the battlefield, lots of enemy forces dying... very few friendly forces dying... all this humiliation BS is in your head.

    How can Putin or Russia be humiliated?

    The west hates them, how can they lose standing in the west?

    They currently support Nazis and ISIS against them in Ukraine and in Syria.


    Hopefully he's right- if he's wrong, it's a fatal error

    He can push back at any time... simply blocking all energy sales to the west and all trade with the west would break the current coalition supporting nazis... but it would work best in the middle of a nice hard winter.


    He could be lying. He's done that in this war before. He better be lying.

    Why do you think he is lying... what is so urgent?

    He's dead wrong. The hate for Russia and Russians in the West will prolong this war for as long as the West wants. They will never ever give Russia a victory for free out of being tired of supporting Ukraine. He's delusional.

    When the power goes off and the feed stops arriving and the fertilisers stopped getting shipped to the EU ports the west will realise a large portion of their easy lives comes from cheap energy from Russia.

    There are western troops all over the world vulnerable to interference... what can you do when a Javelin or Stinger is used against airliners or even oil tankers in harbour...

    The flaw in Putin's logic is the West can always up the ante in terms of provocations to the point where he has to react. Bombing Belgorod might not get a rise out of the Russian population. I bet bombing Moscow does.

    That is not a flaw in his logic... you don't play a game based on what your opponent might do... when blowing out a candle you don't get a fire extinguisher or a helicopter with a monsoon bucket.

    If they want to set fire to the curtains then the fire extinguisher becomes the tool for the job, but instead of getting a wish the little shits will get a red bottom and no cake and off to bed.

    The problem is that US is willing to sacrifice EU for this and destroy it’s economy just to hurt Russia.
    Europeans are too docile to do anything about it

    But don't you see that is not a problem... the EU has to be shown that they don't matter to the US any more than Ukrainian conscripts matter... for goodness sake they have been experimenting with biological weapons on these people in labs that would be illegal in the US...

    The EU needs a slap and if they want to take a bullet like losing cheap energy, then so be it... it isn't Russias problem... countries in other places on the planet would love cheap piped energy... I am sure China can't believe Europe is this stupid as to give it up.

    Our economy nor would the EU be sacrificed over sending mere equipment, I you guys think the west will crash over the current situation buts that hilariously misguided and just mind blowing feeble minded logic.

    Yes, of course... the west is based on ethics and morals and it has nothing to do with cheap oil or energy or lithium or other valuable resources they might want moving forward.   NOT.

    However, the problem is he may be losing Kazakhstan and other parts of Central Asia if they don't see some decisive victories very soon

    Can you remember any significant victories or losses in Afghanistan over the last 20 years?

    If Kazakhstan is that flaky then Russia does not need them... they are largely land locked between Russia and China... if the west wants an outpost they will have to fund their economy when Russia and China cut them off for being stooges of the west.

    And looking at how well they funded the Ukraine I suspect the people will be quite disappointed.

    They didn't lose them during each conflict in Chechnia...

    I think this idea of starving out and waiting out the west is way more provocative than Putin thinks. More provocative than just blasting a 300 kilometre buffer zone from the borders of Kherson and Donbas with 250,000 troops.

    And then the west would crow that Russia needs a full mobilisation just to take on weak little Ukraine... how could they dream of fighting all of HATO at once if they are this weak.

    That's why Putin wasn't afraid of this war. He can sell its gas and oil to the asian through pipelines which is a cheaper alternative to tanker exported arab oil and gas.

    Russia and China are at a point where they don't need the west, and trading more with each other bypasses all the lecturing shit they get from Europe and the US and the rest of the west.

    China does not use a lot of gas but that makes sense because gas was expensive. With new pipelines delivering it it will become very very cheap which means investments in using it will massively increase and expand.

    I suspect the Russian strategy is to bleed the EU, NATO and the USA as much as it does Ukraine. The first 3 have to be bleed slowly so it dictates that so does Ukraine.

    The longer this war takes the worse terms Kiev will have to play with...

    So who was it that said Russia is using 10-15% of its military in Ukraine?

    The Russians are not operating conventional forces in Ukraine, it is more like a combination of recon forces and VDV and Naval Infantry as well as Spetsnaz of course.

    The focus is mobility though of course Russian recon units include tanks, but they are not heavy formations... they are light mobile formations that probe defences rather than smash them, and use air power and artillery for support to do their killing.

    Aljazeera is no better than BBC, CNN or any other western main stream media.

    Aljiz started out rather good... not western and not russian perspective, but it has changed and now is as much part of western propaganda as any western media.

    But he must maintain the integrity of the operation in Ukraine, I can understand the need to damage the west, but we must not lose face doing it, the people need victories

    In the west you already have the face of a monster and nothing you can do including nuking all of Ukraine will change that or improve that in anyway.

    Russia has the best drones, said the head of the FSMTC

    The head of the FSMTC Shugaev: Russia has no problems with drones, we have the best.

    Having drones and distributing drones to those that need them are not the same thing.... in high schools in the 1980s in New Zealand some had lots of computers and some had none... some schools got priority or used their own funds to get drones while others waited to get them donated by parents of children... of course an added issue is that plenty of schools had computers gifted to them by generous parents  and the teachers didn't know how to use them and so had to be taught how to use them by the donors or the donors children.


    Scott Ritter is on a high because his argument about a "game changer" in May turned out to be true... in a way. I don't think Larry Johnson expected Russia's troop levels to be so rigid that it would lose large swaths of territory rather than call up some more troops that are pissing distance from the front.

    Calling up troops and sending them straight to a front to stop an advance and then try to push it back... is that what you are suggesting they should have done...

    Do you understand why some people don't agree with that logic?

    But we need results, give a victory to people

    Only the enemy can give you victory by surrendering... until then the best you can achieve is to continue to give death to the people fighting against you.


    All putin needs is to deliver a small victory for morale

    He can play his games, but he needs to deliver some victory - even if it's for demonstration

    They are currently grinding up the enemy forces that attack them.... that is the only victory they need.


    “We will do everything to stop this as soon as possible. Only, unfortunately, the opposing side, the leadership of Ukraine, announced its rejection of the negotiation process and stated that it wants to achieve its goals by military means.”

    Is an acknowledgement of Modis desire to end the conflict?

    It is an agreement between the two leaders that the problem preventing peace has been and will always be Zelensky... with western support making him think that is their best option.

    Well here is the video, perhaps you can judge it better then me. But the fact it was a public comment makes me believe it was supposed to put some pressure;

    That would work because Putin is known for being a flip flop politician that can be easily swayed by the slightest pressure...  NOT.

    I agree it was not for Putins ears, it was more then likely to placate the west, and possible to provide putin with a pubic platform to pressure Ukraine back to the table. But I don't really see Russia willing to negotiate much. After all Ukraine has never abided by its agreements.

    With the way things are currently going I doubt Putin actually wants Kiev to surrender... then they would have to stop eliminating the problem as they are currently doing.

    Why were they even wasting time burying them?

    To deal with the smell and risk of disease I suspect... they clearly had not much else to do...

    One year after the astounding US humiliation in Kabul – and on the verge of another serious comeuppance in Donbass – there is reason to believe Moscow is wary of Washington seeking vengeance: in the form of the ‘Afghanization’ of Ukraine.

    Hahaha... that shows why the west is so set on assigning this Orc attack as being a humiliation for Russia... so it can't be applied to their running away from Kabul last year... hilarious.

    If Zelensky had honoured the Minsk agreements then the Ukraine would have two autonomous regions in the Lugansk and Donbass regions and Crimea would be lost as well... but that is all.

    All the billions the west has thrown in and the billions more in weapons and the death and destruction Kiev has made necessary because they can't follow simple agreements they signed but clearly never intended to honour... Russia should be looking at more and more territory to capture and take from Kiev... cutting them off from the black sea has been mentioned but as far as I know not by Putin or Russian government officials with any say.

    The longer this conflict goes on however the more likely even more territory will be occupied/liberated.

    I truly believe that eventually Russia will have to punish Kazakhstan. And guaranteed China will follow along. It doesn't seem Kazakhs are very bright seeing as they are wedged between two major powers that they will end up antagonizing on behest of Turkey.

    Could say the same about the Baltic states or Georgia or Ukraine or Finland....

    The West is radically unequal, and not so great as pictures himself, you know.

    Anyone in the US will tell you they have the best healthcare system in the world... which is obviously a real shame for those who can't afford it...

    Sure he said that they have enough drones. And the best drones. Yet didn't say where those are coming from

    The whole idea of drones is that they are simple and easy and cheap to make in large volumes... they don't seem to be short of missiles and artillery shells and bombs... why would they be short of drones.

    Of course deployment is another thing... not every group of soldiers will have a dozen drones to carry around, and there is no point giving them drones if the instructions are in Chinese or Iranian.

    Pooling drones for artillery and recon use makes sense... the fact that some units might not have enough or no charging point to keep their drones operating is another matter... some drones need a 3-4 hour charge for 20-40 minutes of operation. They would need to come with 10 batteries each to be useful.

    Georgia is contemplating a referendum on taking back Ossetia

    The Georgian politician who suggested that has admitted it was sarcasm and he would expect if such a referendum was carried out that the vast majority of Georgia would say no to declaring war on Russia and attacking South Ossetia or Abkhazia.

    The idea came from a deranged Ukrainian politician hoping to open a second front and it is about a likely a Japan attacking Russia... ie zero.

    Many disadvantages in acting slow in Ukraine : First that the Nazis have time and space to regroup and train and launch offensives and gain confidence  .

    Would take 6 months to train a raw recruit to a modest level, and even expertly trained troops have problems fighting superior enemy artillery and air power... even western ex special forces people.

    Second that the West can impose sanctions for longer against Russian economy , rather than having to live with a done deed .

    The west has been sending money and weapons and goading not just the Ukraine, but also the rest of the world to fight and punish Russia... let the west keep their sanctions forever, Russians would be stupid to take them back after this.

    Third is the negative psychological impact on Russian society , loosing hope in war ending soon ,

    Ending the war now would require Russia to end it on Kievs terms... Kiev would dictate everything... because otherwise they wont surrender which is what is needed for this war to end.

    Kiev needs to collapse and that wont happen in a couple of weeks or a couple of months.

    Fifth is brain drain by technocrats .

    A lot did rush to the west... where they would be treated like they were the problem... a lot have since gone back.

    A few disadvantages in acting fast in Ukraine : First that troops may have to be drawn from industry , or possible disruption there . Second that a large operation may result in large casualties . Third is that the offensive may fail , and result in retreat .

    Speeding up the process with more men costs more and does not kill Orcs any faster, but does put more soldiers lives at risk.

    However on balance , the disadvantages of a prolonged and underpowered action , outweighs a fast and decisive action by far . Labour force can be drawn from women to replace men in the workplaces .

    Why do you think women are not already part of the workforce?

    Releasing a huge resource ,without damaging the economy .

    Sending all your menfolk away will always dramatically effect your economy.

    And in this situation to little or no effect.

    Egotism leads to death .

    As Mr Putin has stated... things are going just fine... no need to change tactics. Just ignore the western propaganda that the sky is falling... and when they say Putin and the Russian military leadership needs to be replaced... ask yourself their motives... they have been calling for Putin to go for more than a decade... not only are they not being listened to, but in that time Russia has developed and grown to a degree the west has not... in fact the west is stagnating and starting to go backwards.

    No called for western leaders to be replaced of course because that would be moronic right?

    Because they're grasping at straws at this point. They know they have to negotiate seriously with Russia.

    If Putin and the Russian military leadership really were incompetent the west would be singing their praises and suggesting they remain in their jobs forever....

    Kremlin should take pro active action against such malicious campaigns.

    Putin will do what is best for Russia and Russians... getting an early end to the conflict without resolving the underlying issues just means that in 10-15 years it is just going to kick off again and by then the people in charge might not be so sensible on the Russian side, or even more reckless on the other sides.

    For those bleating about Putin not putting Ukraine to the sword also seem to be bleating about fears he might fold like Yeltsen.

    The problem with that scenario is that I think Putin has had it with the west and there is likely no going back... even if the west drops their sanctions I doubt Russia should do the same.

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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:05 pm

    So the IAEA pulled a WADA and demanded Russia stop military activity around the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. It said
    nothing about Ukr shelling and military activity including attempts to seize the plant.

    I think Russia should kick the IAEA out of the plant. It is like the OSCE and acting like a spy unit for the Kiev regime.

    Any "international" organization with offices in NATzO and staffed by NATzO residents is a hostile tool of NATzO. Russia, China,
    and others should create real international organizations based outside of NATzO.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:06 pm

    dionis wrote:Alright, seriously this time, who came up with this 10-15% number for Russian military involved in Ukraine?


    You've been given a serious answer already.  Its your problem if you refuse to accept it. Neutral


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    Post  Arrow Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:11 pm

    So the IAEA pulled a WADA and demanded Russia stop military activity around the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. It said nothing about Ukr shelling and military activity including attempts to seize the plant. wrote:

    It was known from the outset that it is a corrupt organization just like the OSCE and the United Nations on a US leash.

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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:12 pm

    All the chicken littles polluting this thread will have anyone more rational think that "gains" by Kiev are irreversible.
    How much of Kharkov region will Ukria be able to hold once its army is broken in Donetsk? As usual the center of the
    action which is in Donetsk is ignored to facilitate propaganda narratives. The Kiev regime's attempt to seize Kherson
    failed utterly. But this is not important according to the chicken little propagandists and some side show in Kharkov
    is supposedly the pivotal moment of the war.

    This is Kiev regime social media excrement that is flooding this forum.

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    Post  Hole Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:53 pm

    Read a comment on another site (Saker? MoA?) that Russia stopped paying her fees to most if not all those organisations... because of the western sanctions.  Very Happy Trolling continues. We would pay, but the bank is sanctioned so...  dunno

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    Another mighty sophisticated western war machine captured by  russia

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:54 pm

    kvs wrote:All the chicken littles polluting this thread will have anyone more rational think that "gains" by Kiev are irreversible.
    How much of Kharkov region will Ukria be able to hold once its army is broken in Donetsk?   As usual the center of the
    action which is in Donetsk is ignored to facilitate propaganda narratives.   The Kiev regime's attempt to seize Kherson
    failed utterly.   But this is not important according to the chicken little propagandists and some side show in Kharkov
    is supposedly the pivotal moment of the war.  
    This is Kiev regime social media excrement that is flooding this forum.

    And who the f#uck cares if those are reversible or not?!?
    A bunch of jobless folks who are coming from Sumy or Charkov, fled to Russia years ago, and now want that someone takes the hot potatoes out of a fire?
    Russkie has enough territory, it can last for the next 1000 years of extended development, and they won't still see the end.
    The only reason they are gaining any territory is to resolve some existing issues.
    It is the existence of LDNR - happening right now.
    It is securing the Crimea water supply and creating a land corridor from mainland Russia to it - happened already.
    It inflicts irreversible damage & destruction to the Ukro military capabilities - a hundred thousand KIAs and tens of thousands junked gear is an answer I suppose. And ticking tic-tac-toe.
    A denazification process is ongoing - have you heard of Azov lately? Yeah, I have too - as an end receiver of the Ruskie missiles, along with Kraken and other asholes. Tic-tac-toe.
    It is bringing back the really&essentially Russian land to the Russian federation - a process in progress.
    Maybe they will decide to resolve the few other issues along.
    That is Transnistria's connection with the newly created land corridor.
    Positioning themselves in a Donau river delta, as that would resolve the communication with Serbia, and open a lot of other possibilities.
    And last but not least, inflict severe damage to the remains of Ukraine, to landlock it, destruct all the industrial&high tech potential they had, rip them off the population on a maximal level, and finally make them a slightly bigger equivalent of Moldova.
    Ukro ego will still be there, but it won't affect the ability to give blowjobs and clean the toilets in Poland or Romania.
    They can even sing "salo uhrany" with a mouth full, who cares?

    Hole wrote:
    Another mighty sophisticated western war machine captured by  russia

    The funny part was that they have tried to exchange fire with BTR-82A with that Laughing Laughing

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