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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:07 am

    Erk wrote:
    How many Donbas militia in Ukraine are there?
    How many Wagner PMC and Kadyrovs armies in Ukraine are there?
    How many Russian armed forces in Ukraine are there?

    How do you know these numbers?
    Numbers for LDNR militias can be found, as they've published them in the past. All other numbers are just educated estimates.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:08 am

    Chemezov's lapdog, Dmitri Shugaev is a head of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation. Corrupt and inept POS.

    https://ria.ru/20220916/bpla-1817468462.html

    Russia has the best drones, said the head of the FSMTC

    The head of the FSMTC Shugaev: Russia has no problems with drones, we have the best.
    SAMARKAND, September 16 - RIA Novosti. Russia has no problems with drones, they are the best and there are enough of them, said Dmitry Shugaev, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation.
    "We don't have a problem with drones. We have the best drones. We have the most amazing drones," he told reporters.
    When asked if there were enough of them, Shugaev said that "we have enough of everything."
    Earlier, some media and Telegram channels disseminated unconfirmed information that fragments of a drone, outwardly similar to an Iranian kamikaze drone, were allegedly found in the Russian special operation zone in Ukraine . Commenting on these reports, Shugaev urged to believe only statements from the Ministry of Defense.


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    Post  Backman Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:13 am

    par far wrote:[youtub[/youtube]


    Scott Ritter is on a high because his argument about a "game changer" in May turned out to be true... in a way. I don't think Larry Johnson expected Russia's troop levels to be so rigid that it would lose large swaths of territory rather than call up some more troops that are pissing distance from the front.
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    Post  Erk Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:20 am

    Why can't I delete a post that was doubled?


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:21 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Chemezov's lapdog as head of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation. Corrupt and inept POS.

    https://ria.ru/20220916/bpla-1817468462.html

    Russia has the best drones, said the head of the FSMTC

    The head of the FSMTC Shugaev: Russia has no problems with drones, we have the best.
    SAMARKAND, September 16 - RIA Novosti. Russia has no problems with drones, they are the best and there are enough of them, said Dmitry Shugaev, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation.
    "We don't have a problem with drones. We have the best drones. We have the most amazing drones," he told reporters.
    When asked if there were enough of them, Shugaev said that "we have enough of everything."
    Earlier, some media and Telegram channels disseminated unconfirmed information that fragments of a drone, outwardly similar to an Iranian kamikaze drone, were allegedly found in the Russian special operation zone in Ukraine . Commenting on these reports, Shugaev urged to believe only statements from the Ministry of Defense.


    I suspect Iranian drones were more of an overture to Iran to help get azebaijan on side and counterbalance turkish influence in Caucasus

    Case in point, Iranian army showed up on south of Azeri border

    Much of the disputes in Kyrgyz-tajik, armenia-azeri were resolved with resolutions

    I am willing to give benefit of the doubt to the elite after SCO

    But we need results, give a victory to people
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:24 am

    Backman wrote:
    par far wrote:[youtub[/youtube]


    Scott Ritter is on a high because his argument about a "game changer" in May turned out to be true... in a way. I don't think Larry Johnson expected Russia's troop levels to be so rigid that it would lose large swaths of territory rather than call up some more troops that are pissing distance from the front.

    All putin needs is to deliver a small victory for morale

    He can play his games, but he needs to deliver some victory - even if it's for demonstration

    Of course he will need to show progress as he is pressed by even his allies , and he has assured Xi and Modi that he showed "goodwill" gestures and "tried" to negotiate, now I can understand lavrovs comments last week which caused rancor in Russia

    Even Kharkov is understood as part of the SCO talks, he had to deliver peace overtures to not make modi and Xi look like fools, erdogan as well

    So he has a pass, but now he must slap the VSU hard and deliver to the people the pound of flesh

    Now that niceties and formalities are over

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    Post  crod Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:55 am

    Backman wrote:This gives me a slight glimmer of hope.




    Pure gold from him.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:58 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
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    mnztr wrote:Did Xi and Modi put pressure on Putin at the SCO meetings? Modi in particular seems to express impatience

    What pressure? Pressure is what the whole world feels when it comes to Western "civilization". That's why this whole conflict is going on.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/16/putin-tells-modi-he-wants-ukraine-war-to-end-as-soon-as-possible


    Okay, but where is the "pressure" on Putin that you write about?

    You don't think “I know that today’s era is not an era of war, and I have spoken to you on the phone about this.” is chiding Putin at all?

    and that Putins reply:

    “I know your position on the conflict in Ukraine, your concerns that you constantly express,” he told Modi on the sidelines of a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) in Samarkand, Uzbekistan.

    “We will do everything to stop this as soon as possible. Only, unfortunately, the opposing side, the leadership of Ukraine, announced its rejection of the negotiation process and stated that it wants to achieve its goals by military means.”

    Is an acknowledgement of Modis desire to end the conflict?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:41 am

    I think Putin setup Kharkov to the SCO as the antithesis to Ukrainian victories presented to the ramstein format

    He's given Modi and Jinping ammo to continue resisting sanctions pressure and continue to do business with Russia, and he reiterates that he will continue the SMO until Ukraine surrenders

    So he's clarified his own position

    He just needs to deliver blood to the people before winter to sate the restless people who crave a victory, even if symbolic
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    Post  crod Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:42 am

    mnztr wrote:Did Xi and Modi put pressure on Putin at the SCO meetings? Modi in particular seems to express impatience

    Not how I read the language at all actually.
    The first point I would make is about context, a few sentences out of much deeper conversations that were held in private is not enough to draw conclusions that Modi dressed down Putin.
    Secondly, the language used was expansive, that is to say nondescript but yet allowing their media teams enough to counter any Western attacks regarding lack of proactivity in seeking to distance themselves from Putin and the conflict.
    Thirdly, there were calls for peaceful solutions to be found and “not a time for war”, who was that directed at? There is simply not enough text to draw any conclusions like what you’re suggesting as a chiding. Putin’s response possibly alludes to conversations between the two where Putin has clearly informed and discussed with Modi about the latters ‘position’ and ‘concerns’ however neither of those are defined and if anything, has reiterated publicly a response he undoubtedly provided in private. There’s nothing in the language used from Modi that a) proportions blame to Putin or b) isn’t sympathetic to Putin’s stance. In diplomacy speak, the language was not tersely expressed and to me shows there is no problem and it was cleverly crafted by their media teams.
    Lastly, it is also clear from Putin’s remarks that he spoke of exasperation more than anything else. Remember that the Ukrainians keep moving the goalposts or having them moved for them…
    If I was to grade the conversation I would do so as neutral-positive.
    I say all this having spent over a decade in diplomatic missions with my last posting in the UK back in 2005.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:45 am

    My block list includes; Papadragon, Owais Erdogani (the two of them before), Azi, Limb, Regular, Cavaet likes BBC, Crod and SBU Ukrop Arkhi. The last three are from today on the list. With those generals, pussyfooting, mobilization, chaos and the like, there is nothing to write about. One and the same non stop. I suggest that such should not be in the special military operation section, but "the general's opinion about the SMO".
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:54 am

    Backman wrote:
    dionis wrote:So who was it that said Russia is using 10-15% of its military in Ukraine?

    The bulk of the fighting force is the Donbas militia, Wagner PMC and Kadyrovs armies. You can see it from the footage. A total lack of Russian troops. During Mariupol, there was maybe 10% of the Russian military fighting. Since then, it is undoubtably lower.

    It seems reasonably clear that the LDNR militia units are doing the bulk of the fighting for liberation of their aggregate territory, and Russia is mostly giving specialist support like AD, counter battery, CAS, logisitics & resupply etc. Wagner and Chechen are the exception, not the rule. I'd also expect Russian forces are now deployed to provide mobile defense along the Oskil river to prevent Orc crossings to threaten LPR territory. I'd also expect Russia forces in the various hotspots, such as the area around Krasny Liman and Yampol to ensure that the Ukrorats get the enthusiasm kicked out of them Twisted Evil

    AFAIK Russian troops are concentrated in the strategic land bridge from Russia to Crimea, including Kherson. This is vital territory, and Russia isn't about to leave its defense to LDNR militia forces.

    Yeah, I think that Russia has ~10% of her regular forces deployed to Ukraine. Its a mix of units types, both regular ground forces, special operations, logisitics troops and Rosvgardia. Russia doesn't publicise the numbers and their breakdown, and they never will.

    Russia maintains a vast escalation potential, unmatched by NATO, let along the severely stretched Ukropi orc-rabble. SMO imposes limitations on Russian military action, but the settings can be adjusted to suit both political objectives and battlefield developments. People need to have a little faith in the professionalism of the Russian miltay and the clear-headedness of the current political leadership. They know what needs to be done, they have a plan, and they know better on what is happening than do nobodies (like us) who have no particular skills or training in such things and who have no access to real info other than (often incorrect) public domain.

    Chill pill. Take one. Light up a spliff. Open a bottle of a good red. Or a 18 yo single malt.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:27 am

    crod wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Did Xi and Modi put pressure on Putin at the SCO meetings? Modi in particular seems to express impatience

    Not how I read the language at all actually.
    The first point I would make is about context, a few sentences out of much deeper conversations that were held in private is not enough to draw conclusions that Modi dressed down Putin.
    Secondly, the language used was expansive, that is to say nondescript but yet allowing their media teams enough to counter any Western attacks regarding lack of proactivity in seeking to distance themselves from Putin and the conflict.
    Thirdly, there were calls for peaceful solutions to be found and “not a time for war”, who was that directed at? There is simply not enough text to draw any conclusions like what you’re suggesting as a chiding. Putin’s response possibly alludes to conversations between the two where Putin has clearly informed and discussed with Modi about the latters ‘position’ and ‘concerns’ however neither of those are defined and if anything, has reiterated publicly a response he undoubtedly provided in private. There’s nothing in the language used from Modi that a) proportions blame to Putin or b) isn’t sympathetic to Putin’s stance. In diplomacy speak, the language was not tersely expressed and to me shows there is no problem and it was cleverly crafted by their media teams.
    Lastly, it is also clear from Putin’s remarks that he spoke of exasperation more than anything else. Remember that the Ukrainians keep moving the goalposts or having them moved for them…
    If I was to grade the conversation I would do so as neutral-positive.
    I say all this having spent over a decade in diplomatic missions with my last posting in the UK back in 2005.

    Well here is the video, perhaps you can judge it better then me. But the fact it was a public comment makes me believe it was supposed to put some pressure;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03_vEWFvu64&ab_channel=WION
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:29 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:My block list includes; Papadragon, Owais Erdogani (the two of them before), Azi, Limb, Regular, Cavaet likes BBC, Crod and SBU Ukrop Arkhi. The last three are from today on the list. With those generals, pussyfooting, mobilization, chaos and the like, there is nothing to write about. One and the same non stop. I suggest that such should not be in the special military operation section, but "the general's opinion about the SMO".

    Thank you for sharing that with us. At least, show some decency and spell my name correctly. Now go back to to your cage.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:32 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:

    It seems reasonably clear that the LDNR militia units are doing the bulk of the fighting for liberation of their aggregate territory, and Russia is mostly giving specialist support like AD, counter battery, CAS, logisitics & resupply etc.  Wagner and Chechen are the exception, not the rule.  I'd also expect Russian forces are now deployed to provide mobile defense along the Oskil river to prevent Orc crossings to threaten LPR territory. I'd also expect Russia forces in the various hotspots, such as the area around Krasny Liman and Yampol to ensure that the Ukrorats get the enthusiasm kicked out of them  Twisted Evil  

    AFAIK Russian troops are concentrated in the strategic land bridge from Russia to Crimea, including Kherson.  This is vital territory, and Russia isn't about to leave its defense to LDNR militia forces.  

    Yeah, I think that Russia has ~10% of her regular forces deployed to Ukraine.  Its a mix of units types, both regular ground forces, special operations, logisitics troops and Rosvgardia.  Russia doesn't publicise the numbers and their breakdown, and they never will.  

    Russia maintains a vast escalation potential, unmatched by NATO, let along the severely stretched Ukropi orc-rabble.  SMO imposes limitations on Russian military action, but the settings can be adjusted to suit both political objectives and battlefield developments. People need to have a little faith in the professionalism of the Russian miltay and the clear-headedness of the current political leadership.  They know what needs to be done, they have a plan, and they know better on what is happening than do nobodies (like us) who have no particular skills or training in such things and who have no access to real info other than (often incorrect) public domain.

    Chill pill.  Take one.  Light up a spliff.  Open a bottle of a good red. Or a 18 yo single malt.

    Slava Rossiya.   russia  

    You have for sure VDV deployed in Kherson (namely 76th division units and 247th regiment), as well as naval infantry around Ugledar (brigade from Far East).

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:42 am

    Martyanov does it again - decodes the nonsense of the Collective West and its corrupt & compromised Ruling Class and their vast (and well paid) collective of sycophantic enablers and flag waving ideologues.



    Funnily, once Andrei's video had completed, the YT algorithm auto-played some complete BS from "The Economist" that was nothing but Kharkov-offensive celebratory fist-pumping.  How utterly transparent on the part of the Big Tech gatekeepers... Razz

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    Post  crod Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:56 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:My block list includes; Papadragon, Owais Erdogani (the two of them before), Azi, Limb, Regular, Cavaet likes BBC, Crod and SBU Ukrop Arkhi. The last three are from today on the list. With those generals, pussyfooting, mobilization, chaos and the like, there is nothing to write about. One and the same non stop. I suggest that such should not be in the special military operation section, but "the general's opinion about the SMO".

    Thank you for sharing that with us. At least, show some decency and spell my name correctly. Now go back to to your cage.

    that fact he thought it warranted posting is what cracks me up...self importance much??? bwaaaahaaa

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    Post  crod Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:59 am

    mnztr wrote:

    Well here is the video, perhaps you can judge it better then me. But the fact it was a public comment makes me believe it was supposed to put some pressure;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03_vEWFvu64&ab_channel=WION

    i think that's the point though, the communication wasn't necessarily for Putin's ears and those behind it might say, job done? it was ambiguous enough. just my interpretation of it.
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    Post  crod Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:01 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Chill pill.  Take one.  Light up a spliff.  Open a bottle of a good red. Or a 18 yo single malt.

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    glory to the weekend

    ....no AFL though Wink

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    Post  Backman Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:41 am

    Mark Sleboda with a good summary. He says that there's gonna be the biggest battle in the war yet in the south east.

    He also says that Russia has to take out the Kiev regime. But they weren't because they wanted to signal that they were still open to the idea of the war being limited.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:05 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:My block list includes; Papadragon, Owais Erdogani (the two of them before), Azi, Limb, Regular, Cavaet likes BBC, Crod and SBU Ukrop Arkhi. The last three are from today on the list. With those generals, pussyfooting, mobilization, chaos and the like, there is nothing to write about. One and the same non stop. I suggest that such should not be in the special military operation section, but "the general's opinion about the SMO".

    Thank you for sharing that with us. At least, show some decency and spell my name correctly. Now go back to to your cage.

    Ain't nothing worse than Serbian fanboy who enjoys sucking off Russian dick no matter how often it ends up jammed up his cornhole or how much Russians pussyfoot around

    I was hoping this place would at least be free of them but I guess we can't have nice things

    Even worse he desacrates good name of Ayrton Senna by using his photo as avatar

    On the upside very few of them speak any foreign language so it could be worse...





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    Post  mnztr Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:06 am

    crod wrote:
    mnztr wrote:

    Well here is the video, perhaps you can judge it better then me. But the fact it was a public comment makes me believe it was supposed to put some pressure;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03_vEWFvu64&ab_channel=WION

    i think that's the point though, the communication wasn't necessarily for Putin's ears and those behind it might say, job done? it was ambiguous enough. just my interpretation of it.

    I agree it was not for Putins ears, it was more then likely to placate the west, and possible to provide putin with a pubic platform to pressure Ukraine back to the table. But I don't really see Russia willing to negotiate much. After all Ukraine has never abided by its agreements.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:10 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Mass grave found in Izyum
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/mass-grave-more-than-440-bodies-found-izium-ukraine-police-2022-09-15/

    Yep.. another bucha and despite apparently it's grave for fallen Ukrainian soldier. It will be painted by media as yet another massacre.

    Why were they even wasting time burying them?

    Just send the photos to family members, take DNA sample for paper pushers and burn that trash where it lies so it doesn't spread disease



    zorobabel wrote:...Ukraine heavily shelled civilian targets inside Russia yesterday, killing civilians. I don't think Moscow is playing nice; I don't think the leadership knows what else to do.

    It's not hard to figure out what to do, just kill them all and call it a day

    Stop pussyfooting already







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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:15 am

    mnztr wrote:Did Xi and Modi put pressure on Putin at the SCO meetings? Modi in particular seems to express impatience

    Of course he is expressing impatience, nobody likes being associated with losers and they want to know what's the holdup

    Chinese made their opinion of losers crystal clear during Nixon administration

    These people exposed their asses by supporting Russia, they expected it to not be for nothing

    They want white ape corpses not excuses or pacifist bullshit



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    Post  crod Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:54 am

    Backman wrote:Mark Sleboda with a good summary. He says that there's gonna be the biggest battle in the war yet in the south east.

    He also says that Russia has to take out the Kiev regime. But they weren't because they wanted to signal that they were still open to the idea of the war being limited.

    But’s that’s ok because isn’t that where the main thrust of the RF are based along with the reserve build up?

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