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    Post  franco Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:07 pm

    "Why did hundreds of thousands die?": large losses do not bring the successes of the Ukrainian army closer

    Deputy Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Anna Malyar criticized Ukrainians who prematurely predict the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and urged the media and bloggers not to publish information about the course of hostilities, in addition to the official one. Meanwhile, the former deputy Secretary of the NSDC of Ukraine, General Sergei Krivonos, estimates the irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at several hundred thousand servicemen. For more information, see the material "Newspapers.Ru».

    According to the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Anna Malyar, Ukrainians should not give wishful thinking and prematurely celebrate the victories of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. She also called on the media and bloggers to publish exclusively official information from the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine, since Russia can use this data against Kiev.

    "You and I are constantly watching the celebration of victory, when a wave begins on social networks, when someone - that's how he sees it – declares that everyone has almost won, and then it all turns into unfulfilled expectations. It's not worth doing," she said.

    In addition, she appealed to the media and bloggers with a demand not to publish information about the course of hostilities, in addition to that provided by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and other law enforcement agencies. According to her, only the military department sees the whole picture, and even truthful information from other sources is "used by the enemy."

    Also in her Telegram channel, the Painter said that you should not believe the information about the large losses of the APU. With reference to the speech of the Commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny at the Veterans Forum, she said that they amount to less than nine thousand dead.

    It is worth noting that the calculation of the number of dead is complicated by the fact that some of the losses relate to the missing or are not taken into account at all. According to Oleg Kotenko, the Commissioner of Ukraine for persons missing in special circumstances, as of mid-July, the list includes 7.2 thousand servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This number does not include the National Guard and the Security Service of Ukraine. He noted that most of the missing are prisoners of war.

    In early June, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that 6,489 servicemen were being held captive by the Russian military. On May 26, the number of Ukrainian soldiers in captivity in the DPR and LPR numbered about 8 thousand people.

    "What did they die for?"

    Former Deputy Secretary of the NSDC and former Deputy Commander of the Special Operations Forces of Ukraine Sergey Krivonos estimated the losses of the Ukrainian army at hundreds of thousands of dead.

    "We have the right to say to the authorities: "Why didn't you do anything, why <...> hundreds of thousands died — why did they die? What have you done to save their lives? Stories that this is untimely are an attempt to blur memory, erase history. And how can you erase the blood of the dead, who already number in the hundreds of thousands? Who will be responsible for this?" — Krivonos said on the air of the Ukrainian Media Network YouTube channel.

    According to the general, soon Ukrainians "will start asking the authorities why such colossal sacrifices were made."

    At the end of August, a document signed by the Commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Zaluzhny, got online, which provides data on the losses of the Ukrainian military. The document says about almost 130 thousandth losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to the report, as of July 1, 2022, 76,640 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were killed, 42,704 people were disabled due to injuries, 7244 were captured and another 2,816 were missing. It is noted that the document takes into account only the losses of the APU, data on other departments are not provided.

    At the same time, on August 4, the Ukrainian Telegram channel "Nachstabu" distributed a "merged" report by Zaluzhny for the President of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky. Its authenticity has not been confirmed. According to their data, "the staffing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remains at the level of 43-48%, despite mobilization; losses among military personnel — more than 191 thousand killed and wounded; more than 80% of reservists from the fifth wave of mobilization have already been killed, wounded or deserted; statistics on missing persons are not kept."

    At the beginning of August, the adviser to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine, Mikhail Podolyak, said that Ukraine loses 30-50 servicemen killed per day and that this figure has decreased by 2.5-3 times from the daily losses of 100-200 people killed, which were before. Earlier, Podolyak stated that Ukraine is losing up to 200 soldiers killed per day. And according to the head of the faction of the ruling Servant of the People party, David Arahamiya, the daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine range from 200 to 500 people killed.

    On July 15, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Alexey Reznikov stated that the peak of losses of the Ukrainian army occurred in May, when it lost up to 100 people killed and 300-400 wounded a day. At the same time, the Defense Ministry said that the number of military deaths is a state secret that cannot be made public under martial law.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2022/09/03/15393925.shtml?updated

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:23 pm

    Arrow wrote:T 90M on the southern front.


    must be a mockup, per CNN and MSNBC, the Pentagon reports that the Russians ran out of cruise missiles by the end of March, have lost so many tanks that they are now taking IS-2s off of monuments to their unprovoked war of aggression against Germany, and have lost so many men that they are now conscripting old men and boys. I mean surely the Pentagon, NATO, and their shameless propaganda outlets wouldn't be lying again would they?

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    Post  franco Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:33 pm

    Ukraine received from Germany JFS-M missiles for Himars MLRS with a very long range

    Germany has transferred an unnamed number of long-range JFS-M missiles to Ukraine for the Himars MLRS.

    Negotiations between Ukraine and the United States on the provision of ATACMS missiles for the Himars MLRS were only a cover - at this time, Kyiv received an unnamed number of JFS-M missiles from Germany, which have a target engagement range of up to 499 kilometers. This is stated by a number of independent sources both in Ukraine and in Germany, moreover, the very transfer of such weapons was previously indirectly voiced by German Chancellor Scholz, stating that the Armed Forces of Ukraine require modern missiles.

    At the moment, neither the circumstances of the receipt of German JFS-M missiles by Ukraine, nor their total number remain unknown, however, given that we are talking about low-observable cruise missiles, with their official strike range of up to 499 kilometers, such weapons are very serious threat, as it allows strikes in the rear.

    It is noteworthy that information about the receipt by Ukraine of German cruise missiles for Himars, MLRS and MARS II launchers appeared after German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced the need to continue to transfer to Ukraine not the weapons that are considered superfluous in the arsenal of the German army, but , which is the most efficient and modern. At the same time, Berlin has not yet commented on information about the supply of JFS-M missiles for the American MLRS Himars and the like.

    https://avia-pro.net/news/ukraina-poluchila-ot-germanii-rakety-jfs-m-dlya-rszo-himars-s-ochen-bolshoy-dalnostyu

    NOTE: if this news turns out to be correct, not surprising the last turbine powered the gas pipeline is down...

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:01 pm

    Absolute classic video

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:14 pm

    franco wrote:Ukraine received from Germany JFS-M missiles for Himars MLRS with a very long range

    Germany has transferred an unnamed number of long-range JFS-M missiles to Ukraine for the Himars MLRS.



    NOTE: if this news turns out to be correct, not surprising the last turbine powered the gas pipeline is down...

    Strange, 3 months ago this product didn't appear to exist

    BERLIN ($1=0.95 Euros) — At the ILA 2022 air show in Berlin, MBDA Deutschland launched the premiere of Joint Fire Support Missile, i.e. JFS-M. So far, however, models with dimensions and mass have been shown, as the system itself does not yet exist.
    MBDA Germany shows indirect JFS-M SAM with loitering EMP warhead
    Photo credit: Twitter


    What can be seen this year in the ILA 2022 showroom is a true representation of the system, both in terms of the launcher and the rocket itself. So what is at stake is the optimization of the system design in the course of its future development studies, not a complete design change.

    MBDA Deutschland is developing a Joint Fire Support Missile [JFS-M] as its solution within the Zukünftigen Systems des Indirekten Feuers [ZukSysIndirF, future indirect fire system]. The MARS II missile launchers will be accepted for the role of JFS-M launchers as the M270 MLRS in Germany. However, the main proposal for the Bundeswehr involves the use of modernized MARS II launchers, adapted to launch GMLRS missiles, ie. MARS-E. Currently, the maximum range of their fire under optimal conditions can reach 84 km. According to current plans, the service life of MARS II launchers will be extended to allow their operation until around 2035.


    https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2022/06/24/mbda-germany-shows-indirect-jfs-m-sam-with-loitering-emp-warhead/

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:34 pm

    This will mean much more than just that.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:48 pm

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    ▪ for single parents - 10 thousand rubles for each child;
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    ▪There are one-off benefits for pregnant women and for the birth of a child

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:03 am

    lol

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    He seems like a nice guy.[/quote]

    Don't know about him, but I'll take his daughter for sure Laughing

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:35 am

    What's going on in Kherson?

    I am worried that Russia may indeed lose this.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:49 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What's going on in Kherson?

    I am worried that Russia may indeed lose this.

    Don't worry, whenever there are Ukie claims of success its just another trap they are being lured into. Time and time again.

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:51 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What's going on in Kherson?

    I am worried that Russia may indeed lose this.

    If this bothers you, you should probably brew a soothing tea, go for a walk in the fresh air, stop reading Western news sites for a couple of weeks. And your anxiety will probably pass. When you come back to this topic, Kherson will still be under Russian control.

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    Post  franco Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:53 am

    Ukraine has committed most of the foreign donated tanks to the Kherson operation. First the Polish T72s, now the Leopards it got from Spain. This contradicts the claim that the current operation is just a feint or preparatory op - critical heavy equipment is already in the field.
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    Update on the Kherson front from Rybar.

    https://twitter.com/Nikolai11449196/status/1566105317125005312

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    Post  JPJ Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:04 am

    franco wrote:Ukraine has committed most of the foreign donated tanks to the Kherson operation. First the Polish T72s, now the Leopards it got from Spain. This contradicts the claim that the current operation is just a feint or preparatory op - critical heavy equipment is already in the field.
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    Update on the Kherson front from Rybar.

    https://twitter.com/Nikolai11449196/status/1566105317125005312

    There are not Leopards from Spain in Ukraine. There are not Leopard 2 in Ukraine

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:51 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What's going on in Kherson?

    I am worried that Russia may indeed lose this.

    Oh please, Ukraine's glorious march forwards to Nikolayevsk and Krivo Rog has been going on since March. I would not be too worried about Kherson, I mean unless you were Ukrainian and you were conscripted to die for Stepan Bandera.

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:56 am

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    Dr. Strangelove 2.0, this time with missile  Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:01 am

    When you see the videos of the Ukros attacking through the steppes, one tank in front followed by lightly armed infantry, without air cover, no air defence and little artillery preparation, you actually can see how an official NATO army would fight Russia. Only difference that NATO could call in air support, which would be destroyed in minutes by russian AD systems. But nobody told the NATO planners behind that "operation" that the Ze regime has close to no aircraft left.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:19 am

    Hole wrote:When you see the videos of the Ukros attacking through the steppes, one tank in front followed by lightly armed infantry, without air cover, no air defence and little artillery preparation, you actually can see how an official NATO army would fight Russia. Only difference that NATO could call in air support, which would be destroyed in minutes by russian AD systems. But nobody told the NATO planners behind that "operation" that the Ze regime has close to no aircraft left.

    The most devastating blow comes when one realizes, that Russkie still sustains... Embarassed

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    Don't know about him, but I'll take his daughter for sure Laughing

    You have not lost anything not knowing him, I would rather say you have gained ... some saubery Laughing
    His daughter - as we should never judge the kids by the parent's sins - is a quite vibrant and potent young actress. You all might have seen her in Sobibor film, she played Hanna there. I wish her all the best.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:41 am

    Hole wrote:When you see the videos of the Ukros attacking through the steppes, one tank in front followed by lightly armed infantry, without air cover, no air defence and little artillery preparation, you actually can see how an official NATO army would fight Russia. Only difference that NATO could call in air support, which would be destroyed in minutes by russian AD systems. But nobody told the NATO planners behind that "operation" that the Ze regime has close to no aircraft left.

    I'm bewildered by this 'Elensky-BoJo tandem the deadliest sad clowns in the world. Just casually sacrificing thousands of men for no gain.

    It's warfare 101 (and there are a lot of warfare 101s but as someone giving orders you ought to know them) to establish fire superiority when advancing.
    Any type of advance, at any scale. Whether tactically, on the level of a squad suppressing enemy infantry in a building prior to moving in on it, or or on a large scale - making sure you have enough artillery and air power to crater enemy positions and provide support to your advancing formations.
    Similarly when defending, in order to defend successfully and not let the enemy advance, keep them pinned behind cover or in their positions - you need fire superiority as well.

    And in this case it was the attacker totally without fire superiority and the defender with it in excess. The result was a foregone conclusion

    Whatever possessed these idiots to re-enact the Battle of the Somme or the Charge of the Light Brigade? And for what?


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    Post  flamming_python Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:43 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Hole wrote:When you see the videos of the Ukros attacking through the steppes, one tank in front followed by lightly armed infantry, without air cover, no air defence and little artillery preparation, you actually can see how an official NATO army would fight Russia. Only difference that NATO could call in air support, which would be destroyed in minutes by russian AD systems. But nobody told the NATO planners behind that "operation" that the Ze regime has close to no aircraft left.

    The most devastating blow comes when one realizes, that Russkie still sustains... Embarassed

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    Don't know about him, but I'll take his daughter for sure Laughing

    You have not lost anything not knowing him, I would rather say you have gained ... some saubery Laughing
    His daughter - as we should never judge the kids by the parent's sins - is a quite vibrant and potent young actress. You all might have seen her in Sobibor film, she played Hanna there. I wish her all the best.

    Hey whatdoyannow

    I was planning to watch the new Sobibor as I liked the old one. Just reminded me to get around to it Cool

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    Post  franco Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:44 am

    Obviously he is under the mind control of Darth Putin Twisted Evil

    I have said several times here that it is almost like they are working for the Russians to destroy the Ukraine military. russia

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:49 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    Hey whatdoyannow

    I was planning to watch the new Sobibor as I liked the old one. Just reminded me to get around to it Cool

    The old one is better if you ask me, but you can not ask and be surprised Laughing Laughing welcome Twisted Evil
    Nah, seriously, the new one is good either. Just different from the old one.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:48 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What's going on in Kherson?

    I am worried that Russia may indeed lose this.

    They just fertilized the whole place with Nazi carcases, how the heck would they lose it?



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    Post  Regular Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:10 am

    We know very little what’s going on there. Ukrainians are in a blackout, but so are the Russians. In reality I don’t think Ukrainians were allowed to assemble effective attacking force like they claim. Even Italian (!!!) Leopard 2A6 statement sounds like BS.

    Real extent will be seen when dust will settle. It shouldn’t take long.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:35 am

    Regular wrote:We know very little what’s going on there. Ukrainians are in a blackout, but so are the Russians. In reality I don’t think Ukrainians were allowed to assemble effective attacking force like they claim. Even Italian (!!!) Leopard 2A6 statement sounds like BS.

    Real extent will be seen when dust will settle. It shouldn’t take long.

    You can tell by all the ambulances, Ukrainian MoD going draconian over battlefield reports, Western MSM silence, various photos and videos, and so on

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