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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:46 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Russia always shoots itself in the foot by allowing Ukrs these phantom victories. Whether Snake island, or the Mi-24 raid on Belgorod, sinking of the Moskva and so on.
    Even if this village is completely insignificant, it will be used to boost morale and cancel out the deaths of thousands of soldiers Zelensky sent to commit suicide by Russia. Cancel out the bungled attempt on the Zaporozhie NPP.

    That Ukr propaganda is completely delusional and the many who listen to it more so is obvious, but they will to continue to throw themselves like lemmings to die to Russian artillery and air-power unless their morale is blown to pieces and their faith in their foreign puppet leadership is broken. And there's a fantastic opportunity to do so by the conclusion of this offensive by simply denying them any territorial gains whatsoever; or better yet commit to a counter-attack and throw them back from their starting positions, break their defensive lines and attempt to follow through into a rout. Force their units into a chaotic retreat and their morale along with them.
    It's time to end this meat-grinder that London and Washington organized and their servants in Kiev continue to implement day after day for their own people. It does not serve Russia's best interests among other things, to end up in control of this barren shell-shocked land, where every male between 18-50 years old is either dead, crippled or has emigrated, and the rest are consumed by grief or anger.

    Russia must call for full mobilization and launch a winter offensive with its greatest power.
    Russia reminds me of Germany in World War 2 delaying the Total War for fear of generating unrest in the population. Serious mistake.
    Russian youth must get used to war. The world changed.

    Another possibility. This state of affairs suits the Putin government and we do not know.


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    Post  franco Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:47 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 38 Fbzlwr10
    Is this where the Chechens attacked?

    8. GROZNY, 4 September. /TASS/. Akhmat special forces soldiers, together with the second corps of the people's militia of the Lugansk People's Republic, launched a large-scale offensive in several regions of the Donetsk People's Republic. This was announced on Sunday in his Telegram channel by the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov. "In the Donetsk People's Republic, the Akhmat special forces and the 2nd Corps of the LPR launched a large-scale offensive in several areas. Our fighters are actively advancing in the direction of Soledar, Yakovlevka, Seversk," Kadyrov wrote.

    My understanding is the Chechens and 2nd Corps (Lugansk) doing the top of the line, PMC (Wagner) and 2nd Corps doing the middle while the southern part (your question) of the line is from the 1st Corps (Donetsk).

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:51 pm

    flamming_python wrote:One way or the other, the chance is now.
    Whatever Russia has to do it must do it now, against the backdrop of this catastrophic failure by Zelensky and his Western patrons. His authority will be at a low, morale will be at a low - and neither that nor the other should be allowed to recover.

    His authority will be even more at low in the coming days, no need to press.
    We don't know things better than the Russki general staff.
    Those people were taught and trained for that, some of them for a longer time than we live.
    Besides, you are talking from a sane reason point of view, while the Ukrs passed that point long time ago.

    franco wrote:
    My understanding is the Chechens and 2nd Corps (Lugansk) doing the top of the line, PMC (Wagner) and 2nd Corps doing the middle while the southern part (your question) of the line is from the 1st Corps (Donetsk).

    Apti had a new entrance today, he is back in DNR.
    The clue of what he was saying, the cooperation of Achmat and republican corpses is so close, that the difference is ceasing to exist.
    Chechenya has really deep connections with both republics now. They have achieved a real arms brotherhood.


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    Post  franco Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:55 pm

    Apparently the Ukrainians doing their 4th (?) wave of attacks in Kherson. Appears to be mostly infantry attacks... cannot imagine there would be much else left. We will see after the "fog" lifts.

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    Post  VARGR198 Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:59 pm



    Some of the statues of men seem to still have damage on them, but I think this has been left this way deliberately.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:19 pm

    For sure, some of them have been changed and now represent the 2014+ struggle either.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:32 pm

    franco wrote:Apparently the Ukrainians doing their 4th (?) wave of attacks in Kherson. Appears to be mostly infantry attacks... cannot imagine there would be much else left. We will see after the "fog" lifts.  

    In addition to that I read that they are seriously trying to damage the antonovski bridge, so that it will not be easily reparable...

    https://t.me/milinfolive/89911

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:41 pm

    flamming_python wrote:That Ukr propaganda is completely delusional and the many who listen to it more so is obvious, but they will to continue to throw themselves like lemmings to die to Russian artillery and air-power...

    I am failing to see the problem with this



    flamming_python wrote:...unless their morale is blown to pieces and their faith in their foreign puppet leadership is broken...

    What's the rush?

    All you will be doing is setting yourselves up for another Afghanistan

    Do you really want that again?

    It's only first year of war, relax and let the nature take it's course



    flamming_python wrote:...It does not serve Russia's best interests among other things, to end up in control of this barren shell-shocked land, where every male between 18-50 years old is either dead, crippled or has emigrated, and the rest are consumed by grief or anger...

    Land will recover swiftly, worry not about it

    Even Hiroshima recovered in just several years

    Humans are replaceable and since it was males 18-50 which were the main problem it's desirable to get rid of them now when the opportunity is at hand than to leave it for later and bleed yourselves white in long insurrection which Russia will lose just like in Afghanistan

    Those consumed by grief and anger can always deal with it the same way the Austrian painter they admire so much did

    Land is useful and limited in quantity, humans are plentiful and disposable



    flamming_python wrote:One way or the other, the chance is now.

    Whatever Russia has to do it must do it now, against the backdrop of this catastrophic failure by Zelensky and his Western patrons...

    Chance for failure in the long run

    Zelenski is the best resource Russia has in Ukraine, as long as he keeps sending gleeful Nazis for collective euthanasia he must not be touched, this is once in a millennia opportunity

    You need land free of Nazis, not land full of them





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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:03 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:Some of the statues of men seem to still have damage on them, but I think this has been left this way deliberately.
    These pics will lead to more dead Nazis (strokes, heart-attacks) then the Kherson "counter-attack".  Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:05 pm

    franco wrote:Apparently the Ukrainians doing their 4th (?) wave of attacks in Kherson. Appears to be mostly infantry attacks... cannot imagine there would be much else left. We will see after the "fog" lifts.  
    In reality this is the battle for Nikolaev and Krivoi Rog. There won´t be much left after this, except old men with pitch-forks.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:11 pm

    That is perfectly fine, they have mastered how to kill women&choldren with a pitchfork for generations.
    It is a heritage.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:45 pm

    I don't like this laid back approach from Russia. They should be on the offensive towards Nikolaev, they should be more forceful in Donetsk and in Kharkov as well. They need to pour more troops and weapons throughout the front. NATO and their puppets in Kiev are playing to win and embarrass Russia. Russia's response so far has been half-asleep and not serious enough in my opinion. They won't win this war fighting it how they are currently. If they're scared of upsetting the local populations or causing too many civilian deaths, then tell them to leave the locations they're in right now and start pounding the Ukrainians into ruble. The Ukrainian army needs to be completely destroyed and humiliated. Only this way will you get their capitulation and secure Russian security interests in this region. Putin & Co. need to wake the F up soon!

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    Post  11E Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:02 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 38 Fbzb5k10
    Send the junk back to the Netherlands.

    Ho ho Laughing Laughing that just mechanical junk was more reliable than all those computerised vehicles now where the computer says no because of a minor malfunction.You could repair it with a hammer (percusive maintenance), some oil and dieselfuel Wink. The only drawback are the heaters, those broke down a lot. And yes, the armour sucks......

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:30 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    Some of the statues of men seem to still have damage on them, but I think this has been left this way deliberately.

    This monument is set to become one of the most important there is to Russia. Justifiably so.

    There could be some important people there in 4 days. russia

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    Post  Broski Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:42 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:That Ukr propaganda is completely delusional and the many who listen to it more so is obvious, but they will to continue to throw themselves like lemmings to die to Russian artillery and air-power...

    I am failing to see the problem with this

    Zelenski is the best resource Russia has in Ukraine, as long as he keeps sending gleeful Nazis for collective euthanasia he must not be touched, this is once in a millennia opportunity
    I hate to be so cynical but Papa's 100% correct. Don't forget, Russia and the Bandera regime had agreements back in April where Russia/LDPR would return all the territory taken excluding Crimea and part of the Donbass back to the Ukraine in exchange for more hollow promises to not join NATO. 

    Thankfully, British PM BoJo the Clown showed up and told the Cokehead of Kyiv to end all peace talks with Russia and continue fighting, so they did. Right now every Hohol that's too Russophobic, cowardly or stupid to refuse Zelensky's suicidal orders is being evacuated to the nearest graveyard and that needs to continue until they either run out of cannon fodder or patience for their demonic government.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:49 pm

    Russia and the Bandera regime had agreements back in April where Russia/LDPR would return all the territory taken excluding Crimea and part of the Donbass back to the Ukraine in exchange for more hollow promises to not join NATO. wrote:

    What is this nonsense. Would Putin would be so stupid as to believe that the UA would not join NATO and give up all the territory it took? Whether or not Ukraine would be in NATO, US troops would enter Ukraine a few days after such an agreement. Russia could not be so stupid to enter into such agreements is absurd.That would make them even stupider than the USSR authorities who believed NATO would not expand eastward.

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    Post  Broski Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:13 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    What is this nonsense. Would Putin would be so stupid as to believe that the UA would not join NATO and give up all the territory it took? Whether or not Ukraine would be in NATO, US troops would enter Ukraine a few days after such an agreement. Russia could not be so stupid to enter into such agreements is absurd.That would make them even stupider than the USSR authorities who believed NATO would not expand eastward.
    Don't take my word for it either.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/552910-istanbul-peace-talks-explainer/
    On Tuesday, Turkey hosted the latest round of peace talks between Russia and Ukraine. The Ukrainian side has come up with a written proposal for a peace treaty between the two nations, Russia’s top negotiator Vladimir Medinsky told the media after the session, which he described as “substantive.”

    The proposal will now be relayed to Russian President Vladimir Putin for consideration, he added. Here is what else emerged after the talks.

    Russian offensive scaled down
    An immediate practical effect of the talks will be a de-escalation of military activities in some parts of Ukraine, the Russian Defense Ministry announced. In particular, it pledged to “dramatically” reduce its operations near the cities of Chernigov and the capital, Kiev.

    NATO-like security guarantees
    David Arakhamia, Medinsky’s opposite number in the Ukrainian delegation, said Kiev had sought a security guarantee similar to that contained in Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty. He named Russia, the UK, China, the US, Turkey, France, Canada, Italy, Poland and Israel as possible providers. Some of them have given their preliminary agreement, he said.

    No military blocs and non-nuclear Ukraine
    In the proposal, Ukraine pledged not to join any military alliance, not to host foreign military bases or foreign troops, Medinsky said. Even military exercises would require prior approval from guarantors, according to the proposal. Kiev also pledged not to seek to obtain weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons, the official added. But in return Ukraine wants Russia not to object to its joining the EU one day.

    Crimea, Donbass unresolved
    According to Medinsky, Kiev offered a 15-year moratorium on the status of Crimea, during which its fate would be negotiated and both sides would pledge not to use military force to resolve it. This is not compatible with Russia’s position that Crimea is part of its territory and Kiev needs to recognize it as such.

    Ukraine also sought to include “parts” of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions into the definition of its territory for the purpose of security guarantees, the Russian envoy said. Moscow officially recognized the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics as sovereign states – in their full regional boundaries – just days before sending troops into Ukraine last month.

    Borders in question
    Medinsky said Kiev did not state whether it would relinquish its territorial claim to Donetsk and Lugansk. Prior to February, Ukraine controlled a large portion of both Donetsk and Lugansk and considers the regions to be its own territory.

    Arakhamia made it clear that Kiev will assert sovereignty over the entire territory that Ukraine had when it declared independence in 1991, saying there could be no compromise on this point.

    New conditions for Zelensky-Putin meeting
    Moscow has agreed to organize a meeting between Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky as part of the final phase of negotiations over the future peace treaty. The Kremlin had previously said that such a meeting could only be scheduled once the document was finalized and inked by the respective foreign ministers. 

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    Post  psg Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:29 pm

    Wtf is this bullshit, Russia needs to go all the way to moldova, take Odessa back, leave ukr landlocked.

    They need to rout ALL the remnants of the scourge nazis, once and for all. It should of been done straight after the great patriotic war.

    The opportunity is now, take it all back, bury them bastards, clearly they don't want to live for themselves or their families. They just hooked on the western bs promises, like a whore on drugs.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:10 am

    psg wrote:Wtf is this bullshit, Russia needs to go all the way to moldova, take Odessa back, leave ukr landlocked.

    They need to rout ALL the remnants of the scourge nazis, once and for all. It should of been done straight after the great patriotic war.

    The opportunity is now, take it all back, bury them bastards, clearly they don't want to live for themselves or their families. They just hooked on the western bs promises, like a whore on drugs.

    The RT article was from March... just after the operation began.
    The Ameri-puppets can want all they want.
    But I am sure Russia will happily tell them to go **** themselves.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:28 am

    That treaty was conditional on a lot of things. Back then Russia had not captured Mariupol.
    The objective, back then, was just the DNR and LNR getting control over its territories and end of civil war.
    Ukraine's insistence means that is now off the table.

    I would just use the strategic air component and raze Ukrainian cities to the ground. But the Russian Commander in Chief said this is a mission to retake, well, at least not to lose historic Russian lands from NATO. So, maybe the strategic bombing won't happen?

    A nice carpet bombing of the government buildings in Kiev and Lviv, in particular the US embassy in Lviv, should do the trick.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:33 am

    ALAMO wrote:Italy never had Leopard 2. They had some 1s indeed, and in the sole A2 version both imported from Germany and produced locally. I guess this is a mixed rumor. Maybe there was a talk about supplying Leopards, Leo1A2 was the only option on the table, and it turned to be Leo2 at the end for Russkie propaganda machine.
    Someone probably goofed up and mixed up possible Spanish Leopard 2A6E with phantom Italian Leopard 2s.
    Italy uses the Ariete and Centauro but whatever.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:46 am

    Hole wrote:Send the junk back to the Netherlands.

    Nah, send it to a military museum. Specifically, to the "NATO Junk" exhibit. The collection is growing, and they will probably need to build a new museum to display it all... Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:48 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:It seems hohols had some temporary success in this settlement

    Fixed it for you. Laughing

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:58 am

    flamming_python wrote:It's time to end this meat-grinder that London and Washington organized and their servants in Kiev continue to implement day after day for their own people.

    No.

    The "special operation" continues until the Kiev regime collapses and is swept into the shitter, and the collective West is forced to swallow a total defeat on all metrics.

    The Red Army didn't stop at the Nazi border in 1945. The Russian Army can't stop at liberating Donbass. This fight is no longer about defending Russian-speakers from banderite Nazi filth. It is about Russia leading Eurasia and the Global South in a bid to kick out the legs of the Collective Wests corrupt global hegemony and usher in a fairer multipolar world where Washington and Brussels can no longer hold a knife at the throat of the rest of the planet and extort the nations of the World into submitting to the Empires will.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:06 am

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    🇬🇧🇺🇦 Battle for Kherson: the situation on the Olginsky site
    by the end of September 4, 2022

    At 16.00 Moscow time, units of the Russian Airborne Forces launched a counterattack on the lost positions in Vysokopolye, intending to straighten out the situation at the front and level the front line.

    At 19.00 Moscow time, a laconic entry appeared in the private channel of Ukrainian journalist Anatoly Shariy: “They took the highlands. The highlands have been surrendered." Shariy did not provide any other comments, but if we take into account the information about the beginning of the counteroffensive, this leads to the idea of ​​the success of the counterattack.

    At the moment, there is no information from our sources from this site: unfortunately, there are extremely big communication problems near Andreevka, near Sukhy Stavk, and in the area of ​​Olgin and Vysokopole.

    In any case, for now, we proceed from the best and believe that the counterattack was successful, and the units of the Russian Airborne Forces managed to regain control over the central part of the settlement.

    ---

    VDV had retaken positions in Vysokopolye

    Good job on them quick counterattack, but 3rd AK should be routed here

    And bring up more units to Kharkov

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